The Garbage Collector

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Delfin

03:37

I am not sure how much of this inside of topic, but just use bash and not things like fish, because I am worried of breaking things, but how much would I broke If i setup something like gitlab.com/ralt/avesh or shcl.io

Redz

04:24

without context that sounds very funny

Delfin

04:59

@Redz What sounds very funny?

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Dannyu NDos

06:28

learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/…

C#'s volatile seems much more rigorous than C's.

Delfin

@DannyuNDos What about Java's volatile?

Some knows if there is a Haskell library for docs.kernel.org/usb/usbip_protocol.html?

Dannyu NDos

06:45

Dunno about Java.

Michael Homer

A: Why are volatile objects so difficult to work with in C++?

What volatile actually means The meaning of volatile in C and C++ is often poorly understood. The main use case for volatile is low-level programming on embedded systems that utilize memory-mapped I/O. In these systems, portions of the address space are not mapped to ROM or RAM; instead, reads fr...

Java and C# make arguably poor design & keyword choices in this space

Dannyu NDos

Yeah, I noticed it's more like atomic.

Dannyu NDos

07:33

And what the heck, C# has a fancy name for function pointers, namely "delegates".

Dannyu NDos

07:44

And C# lacks type unions? Dang.

Delfin

@DannyuNDos Do you mean Sum types?

Dannyu NDos

Yeah

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Redz

10:08

@Delfin 'just use bash and not things like fish'

idk or my high school brain is just whacked

Delfin

@Redz Imissed an 'I'

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Seggan

14:37

@DannyuNDos yeah its literally just atomic

Delfin

Someone have an idea of if using shcl.io or gitlab.com/ralt/avesh as the shell could break things?

RubenVerg

14:53

> as of the time of this writing, the pipe module is no longer working, which is obviously bad.

Seggan

@DavidYoung ugh eclipse

David Young

15:35

@Seggan Yeah. I was thinking the thing I'd work on would be much lighter weight than that.

Seggan

not in that sense

eclipse itself is far behind modern editors

David Young

Ah, I didn't really know that. It's been quite a while since I've used it, hah

I'm also realizing that this project idea doesn't really have enough of a contribution, at least in its current form. The main advantage is that you wouldn't have a discrepancy between the language implementation and the specification that you use to prove properties of the PL in Coq/Agda, but that's not too much on its own

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New Posts

17:07

Q: What should be the precedence of the bitwise operators relative to each others?

In C, the relative precedence of bitwise operators is as follows, from high to low precedence: ~ bitwise NOT << >> bitwise left shift and right shift & bitwise AND ^ bitwise XOR | bitwise OR It makes sense to have ~ have a higher precedence than & which itself have a hi...

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Eldritch Conundrum

19:10

C's operator precedence is full of pitfalls. Rather than assigning precedence to everything, I like the idea of plainly refusing to compile without explicit parentheses, in non-obvious cases.

mousetail

I'd prefer simple left-to-right precedence for everything except the super obvious ones

Eldritch Conundrum

19:23

associativity order is another problem, to which requiring explicit parentheses can also be a solution, when not actually associative.

Seggan

@mousetail like math?

im sorta in the middle: i think everything should have precedence but there should be fewer precedence classes

like lump all the bitwise stuff in one class (except NOT), and/or/equality/comparison should be in another class, etc

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Delfin

22:06

@Seggan Just using GEMA?

Michael Homer

22:24

As structured the question seems like LODC, but there are definitely angles it could take that have useful answers

Seggan

22:42

@Delfin GEMA?

Seggan

22:55

ah the order of precedence thing

what i meant was that yes, arithmetic should follow that

while everything else should be lumped into a few precedence classes, not the zillion C (and its descendants) has

Delfin

23:14

@Seggan I think that it would be Groupings Functors Bindings Bitoperators Exponents Multiplication and Addition.

A: Haskell operator vs function precedence

In addition to the information provided by other answers already, note that different operators can have different precedences over other operators, as well as being left-/right- or non-associative. You can find these properties for the Prelude operators in the Haskell 98 Report fixity section. ...