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12:07 AM
Is it THREE (sort of double def: three 0s, and 3 is 0-ish)?
 
Nope. Like I said, it's a perfectly valid clue. You'll know when you got it.
The definition is in no way a stretch. I'm sure that once you all see the solution, you'll (begrudgingly) agree with me on that.
 
ZEROS. the zeros are def.. -ish = removing uncertainty.
 
...No.
 
damn. :)
I got nothin'
(see what I did there?!)
 
(Yep! :P )
 
12:17 AM
This is horrible.
I love it.
I don't even care what it is at this point :)
 
What's horrible, the clue? I know, thanks! :D
 
I'm definitely getting a sense of deja vu...
Nov 24 '16 at 3:17, by Alconja
I did.... ..... ... you said I'd either love it or hate it... love the clue, hate you :P
 
Yeah, I can think of multiple times that you'd get that feeling from.
Oh right, the ROTTEN clue! That was a fun one.
My other favorite I've written is the equation. (I'm disappointed it got solved so quickly...)
 
0
Q: What is the Queen's Name?

Mike Q A noble daughter with the blood of ancient royalty Her face pale as a corpse, and heavy with lines Her skin smooth and cool to the touch. In one way, she is old and dead, In another, she is young and alive as well. In perfect step, she dances with her lover A leader who glares w...

 
@Deusovi FALSE
there we go
 
12:25 AM
Nope. How do you think it works?
 
@Deusovi idk. 000 evaluates to false in most programming languages, though
 
39 mins ago, by Alconja
Best I can come up with is FALSE (with 0 being a "falsey" value in some programming languages). But that seems pretty weak.
 
oh
well then.
 
Like I said, it's a valid cryptic clue.
 
ninja'd by 38 minutes
 
1:01 AM
Hey Sp!
 
1:46 AM
(Here for the first time since Alconja's tough clue was solved. I agree with Deusovi: it's fine.)
(Deusovi's latest clue, on the other hand, is not fine :-).)
 
It's deliciously horrible :)
 
2:01 AM
I feel like there's something "naughty" about it... "0-ish" = "naught-ish" = "naughty", but that obviously isn't a complete clue, and isn't 5 letters...
 
2:34 AM
I think "-ish" is likely the (or a) definition and the answer is something like KINDA (K in DA?), SORTA, MAYBE, or a synonym like QUASI or CLOSE. Can't make '000' fit yet though...
 
I was also thinking that "-ish" could be a trick such that it means we need to remove the letters I S H from an eight letter word meaning zero (def: 0 or 00)
 
@Deusovi Belated, but hey! I wasn't actually active at the time, guess site just auto-joined when I opened the browser :P
 
That would definitely make for a nice clue.
 
@Rubio I basically arrived at work a minute before posting that CCCC, so belated but nice job :)
 
hehe, thanks
@Alconja yah I already spent a bit trying to find such a word to no avail
 
2:47 AM
Yeah. Closest I found was 00 = nothings, -ish => notng... but that isn't def: 0 (except for the fact that zero is clearly not "NG").
 
Hello all!
 
Howdy
 
What's everybody up to, some sort of zero puzzle?
 
Just the most recent Deusovi CCCC.
 
"000-ish (5)"?
 
3:00 AM
Yep. A slim little thing.
 
:D
Like I said, both the definition and wordplay halves are completely valid. Neither of them is remotely a stretch.
 
ah
so it is half
stupid character‮
 
Please stop that.
 
@Deusovi Not doing it on purpose e.e‮
I think 000 is the def
and then -ish is wordplay
 
Well at least we know it's not a double def
 
3:04 AM
mhmm
 
Could it be that "is" is the connecting word, for "000- is h". Would @Deusovi allow for that kind of concatenation?
 
@Silenus that's an interesting idea
 
I would not. If I split a word, I would only do it at etymological boundaries.
 
Worth pursuing at least.
 
OVOID. (0 [O] + 0 [VOID]; 0-ish [roundish -> def.])
 
3:05 AM
Bingo!
 
Fair enough.
 
YESS!!!
 
applause
 
wow
 
3:05 AM
:D
 
that felt good :)
 
[applauds]
 
nice
 
Thoughts?
 
came to me in the shower
 
3:06 AM
That was nice. Rather weird, but nice.‮
 
And I muttered long and hard in your general direction :)
 
Ha, perfect.
 
I was about to float 'OVALS' but couldn't convince myself it was right
then was pondering OVATE when OVOID hit me
 
@Deusovi, doesn't that solution involve the same kind of concatenation you just claimed you wouldn't do? Or does it involve "dividing along etymological lines"?
 
@Silenus "If I split a word, ..."
 
3:07 AM
Fair enough
 
I missed the discussion there
I don't think I've seen Deus split a word ever actually
 
I prefer not to. Usually it seems to be a cheap trick to me. (Splitting at numbers and punctuation is fair game, though.)
 
I was leery of that hyphen though. Then was like, meh. First rule of cryptics - feel free to ignore all punctuation and capitalization if needed to Make It Work™
 
But that's just my personal preference.
Yeah, I was thinking of removing that hyphen.
Hopefully once you saw OVOID you knew that was the right answer.
 
Yeah. I knew it.
 
3:09 AM
(I figured "0-ish" was more grammatically correct than "0ish".)
 
Yeah, I prefer the hyphen there.
 
I think the word is actually "roundish", but the hyphen covers either case nicely regardless.
 
I assume you burst out of the shower in a fit of inspiration, then grabbed your phone to log on and type this? :P
(That's probably what I would do. I've had several ideas for puzzles in the shower.)
 
I actually have done that before, with a CCCC no less
 
Archimedes euereka'd in the bath, but I think @Rubio has him beat.
 
3:13 AM
but this one I had a feeling I was safe finishing my shower
that was pretty out there :)
 
But logical once you see it, no?
 
Oh, totally.
 
Yes, the retrospective clarity compensates for any out-there-ness, IMO.
 
I don't understand the last "0-ish" part
 
Once I had "void" I was like, damn you Deus, you right clever b----d :)
 
3:15 AM
OVOID = like an oval (0) = 0-ish
 
Right, so why not just "00"?
 
Because then you would lack a definition
 
because 0 (or O) don't mean "ovoid"
 
Ah okay, thanks. Neat concept!
 
00 [charade for O VOID]; [def] 0-ish
 
3:16 AM
Yep!
 
CCCC: Possible wild avian-flu carriers, I hear, are a policy concern for Trump. (8)
This one should be fun. :)
 
Do CCCCs have to be 1 word?
 
No, but if they're not, the enumeration shows that
 
@MikeQ, nope, but you need to specify multiuple words in the enumeration.
 
And they should be a common phrase if not one word.
 
3:17 AM
If the answer were, say, "monkey brains", it'd be enumerated (6,6)
 
@Rubio are you sure that's not (9)?
 
I'm currently working on a cryptic clue for the entirely of Moby Dick. It's my magnum opus.
 
it's (8).
 
Damn, that definition leaves so many possibilities. :P
 
that knocks out PRESIDENT, with Trump as the def, then
 
3:19 AM
(well, potential definition, I should say)
 
Not all of them polite? :)
 
Oh, absolutely not.
I mean, when have you ever known me to be opinionated and/or obscene? :P
 
Never, nope, nu-uh.
 
Jan 12 at 10:21, by Deusovi
FUCK YES I GOT IT
Jan 18 at 17:10, by Deusovi
@Randal'Thor FUCK.
Jan 18 at 19:50, by Deusovi
oh fuck, two ?s and an !
 
@Silenus Make it an anagram like this.
@TrojanByAccident I don't think we ever got the solution to that one... @Will?
 
3:23 AM
You guys think "I hear are" is "eye are", "I r", or "eye r"?
@Deusovi dunno
 
That one's bad enough I regret sharing it, but I'll give y'all the answer if you want. :)
 
@Deusovi .... wow. and I thought some of us had a lot of free time.
 
I'm curious.
@Rubio I mean, presumably it was done by computer.
 
It was; he/she/they/whatever said so
 
(for reference, the clue I'm referring to: )
Jan 18 at 19:50, by Will
There's love for you in a sentence fragment about face fungus??! (7)
 
3:25 AM
It's ISIDIUM. "Is idiom" describes both "about face" and "face fungus." I couldn't figure out an elegant sounding wording that avoided double duty on about and/or fungus. :/
 
@Deusovi @Deusovi haha, that's lovely.
 
Okay, I don't see how that one works at all.
 
@Will ok yeah, we need to dust off the BANNED sign and make sure your name is back on it ;)
 
Hey, that was never part of a CCCC
 
Can't be too careful these days
 
3:26 AM
^
 
So I'm guessing that Rubio's CCCC isn't a bird, and that "I hear" = homophone of some sort. Emphasis on "guessing".
 
def is 99% certainly Trump
 
Not necessarily.
 
And the wordplay ends with "concern for"?
 
3:29 AM
@MikeQ, if so, "I hear are" might be R, with definition being "a policy concern for Trump".
 
@MikeQ Could be. [wordplay] for [def] is a common pattern
I was thinking Silenus was right about the def (at least, potentially)
 
[possible avian flu carriers][R][a policy concern] = trump?
 
@MikeQ, maybe, but I would first try with "a policy concern for Trump" as definition. Otherwise there's a lot of wordplay...
Maybe not. What do I know...
 
Rubio's been known to make over-long clues.
 
Good to know.
 
3:32 AM
On occasion. :) They've tightened up a lot recently.
 
True!
 
Down to 13 words for 8 letters! ;P
4
 
Do the wordplay and definition need to be cleanly split, or can you sandwich/alternate them?
 
What do you mean by sandwich?
 
Clean split.
 
3:33 AM
Oh, yeah, they must be on opposite sides of an imaginary line.
 
(Except in the case of an &lit, where both wordplay and definition are the entire clue.)
 
(though can have a joining word, like: for, gives, etc)
 
Right - the joining word, if it exists, must indicate the relationship between the two halves.
 
@Alconja in that case the line is not imaginary :P
 
@Alconja The alternate version was just 10 words, but this one has more play. :)
 
3:35 AM
For instance, "[wordplay] gives [def]"; "[def] is [wordplay]"; "[def] from [wordplay]"...
 
or "[wordplay] for [def]" as was already noted
 
Ok. Well, fowl are possible avian flu carriers, and fowl sounds like foul, and if the definition involves Trump, I'm thinking "FOUL-"something
 
Ooh, maybe.
 
If it was (9) I'd go with FOULMOUTH
 
That'd be (4,5).
 
3:38 AM
Ah, it's only a single word in slang, never mind then
 
or possibly (4-5)
 
I'm sure this is wrong, but
BIRDSEYE possible avian flu carriers (BIRDS) I hear (EYE), def: policy concern for Trump?
‮@Ru
 
no
 
herm :/
 
????
 
3:49 AM
@TrojanByAccident, Trump was overly concerned with the birdseye photograph which showed a paucity of inauguration attendees.
 
Okay TBA, how do you accidentally type the RtL character?
 
@Deusovi That particular one was not an accident
but I use the chat box here as a sort of second clipboard
I'll paste the rtl here for saving while I copy something else
 
Just open a text file in Notepad. That's what I do.
 
and then forget that it's here
@Deusovi I don't like having things clog up my taskbar
 
...Oh right, people are concerned about that type of thing.
 
3:52 AM
I've got 18 different icon groups down there myself right now
 
4:04 AM
OVERRULE (ova + r + rule = to "trump" something)
 
The clue may not be as succinct as it could be, but nothing in it is extraneous.
 
"Possible wild avian-flu carriers" = ova, "I hear, are" = r, "a policy concern" = rule
 
oh. i see what you did.
but no, sorry - not it
(My admittedly brief research doesn't suggest eggs can carry avian flu)
 
(They generally don't)
 
just noticed something
the fact that there is a hyphen in 'avian-flu' might be a clue
 
4:11 AM
It's not. You can replace it with a space if you prefer.
 
:/
do you guys think "possible wild avian-flu carriers" is an anagram of "possible", "avian flu", or "birds"?
 
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certainly not "birds"; that would be an indirect anagram.
 
well then.
certainly not
 
Maybe "carriers" is one of those letter syntax word property things
DUCKBILL seems too silly
 
4:16 AM
INFECTED
 
@TrojanByAccident How?
 
@MikeQ joking.
This is great
half the anagrams of "avian flu" have the word "fun" in them
 
There's no fun in avian flu until you use an anagram generator
 
(not saying this is a hint. not saying this isn't a hint. just saying ...):
1 hour ago, by Rubio
This one should be fun. :)
Seemed fitting here ;)
 
4:31 AM
But you're thinking "Possible wild" = anagram for "avian-flu carriers" ?
 
@MikeQ no
 
But "possible" and "wild" are both anagram indicators
 
4:53 AM
...then why include both? Hmm...
 
 
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8:12 AM
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8:48 AM
Long cryptic clues are hard :(
 
9:03 AM
"000-ish (5)" wasn't any easier. :)
 
9:19 AM
Well sure, but I tend to have trouble with long ones in general :P
(esp. "Possible wild" here)
 
I admit to crafting it to include trip-ups hehe
 
Can I ask whether the clue would still work if you dropped either "possible" or "wild" from it?
 
9:36 AM
5 hours ago, by Rubio
The clue may not be as succinct as it could be, but nothing in it is extraneous.
 
Hm so basically, the answer I was expecting but not quite the answer I'd like.
(Thanks - didn't see that when skimming transcript)
 
9:54 AM
Without comment as to which words I'm talking about, there are two words in the clue which could be removed without wrecking it, but whose removal would make things more open-ended than they should be.
 
Thanks :) that was what I was hoping to hear (namely "yes, but it'd make the clue worse")
Hmmm
 
Hiya @AlafAzam - new here?
 
10:37 AM
Gonna casually note that MEXICANS sounds like SICKENS for the last two syllables, but that doesn't help :P
 
11:28 AM
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rasimIn how many different ways can two knights and two rooks be placed on 5*5 chessboard so that no one attacks the others?

 
 
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1:41 PM
What turned out to be the answer of Alconja's CCCC?
 
2:06 PM
@manshu INN(OV)ATION
 
 
2 hours later…
3:50 PM
gUGTmorning folks
 
Regarding the CCCC, I've been exploring the idea that "Possible wild avian" clues a three-letter bird (e.g., EMU, TIT, OWL, KEA, etc.) or its sound, but no luck yet.
 
Sid
4:06 PM
Wait, how is public= nation?
Hello, Lord @GentlePurpleRain
 
Wow, apparently I'm a Lord now!
 
Sid
Aren't you a mod? mod=overlord
 
I am a mod. Unfortunately it's not quite that glamorous.... :P
 
Sid
17 hours ago, by Deusovi
CCCC: 000-ish (5)
What the ...
I disappeared for a day and I missed THAT!
 
:D
 
4:11 PM
@Sid, "nation" is a metonym for the people (or public) that make it up.
 
I liked that clue. And Rubio apparently did too.
13 hours ago, by Rubio
Once I had "void" I was like, damn you Deus, you right clever b----d :)
 
4:44 PM
I loved that clue. hehe. Hated it too :)
 
4:55 PM
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6:27 PM
No one got the final bit on dates?
 
Dates? @BeastlyGerbil
 
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Nice idea!
 
Levieux has got to:
A ceiling won't stop rain from filling
your shoes, if your issue is a wall is missing.
Suppose you lie about that wall,
you'll find newts in your boots, a fool's condition.
Who knows, it slows your shadows down,
whilst walking across my shallow ground.
Do you know now?
And there is a stegonagrpohic message in their for a name of a relative
Unfortunately I think Levieux has gone to bed
 
7:02 PM
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user216094Could anyone help me with solving this one?

 
 
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8:04 PM
Well rip
going back to public school tomorrow
might not be on for a while
 
Gluck
 
Can anyone make WILDCARD work for the CCCC? A wildcard team is a possible one, and Trump is definitely a wildcard (or maybe even a trump card is a kind of wildcard, but doubtful). Maybe some kind of ddef plus bonus wordplay?
 
interesting
well, we've got that possible part
and trump
and "wild"
I only need wildCArD
i've got the wild and r
 
8:24 PM
@TBA, this site uses CA as an abbreviation for "private carriers", but I don't think it's standard enough. Plus, I don't think @Rubio would play that loose with the synonyms. WILDCARD seems like a dead end...
 
interesting.
 
Maybe the answer is something like OVERTURN or OVERRIDE, rough synonyms of "trump". Plus, Trump is concerned with overturning Obama's policies (although that would require double duty...).
Or maybe we need to subtract "flu" from a "possible wild bird". But I haven't found a bird that contains the letters "flu".
 
8:44 PM
17 hours ago, by TrojanByAccident
the fact that there is a hyphen in 'avian-flu' might be a clue
17 hours ago, by Rubio
It's not. You can replace it with a space if you prefer.
 
Thanks, didn't see that.
 
Trying to keep it fair :)
 
Now I'm exploring the idea that "flu carriers I hear" clues -AL (ILL homophone), preceded by a bird name or bird name sound.
Trump is quite concerned with APPROVAL, for example.
 
interesting
 
8:57 PM
See? I told you this one would be fun. :)
The ideas are all over the board. hehe
 
Yes, it's a very nice clue in that there are many possible splits/indicators.
 
I think rubio's giving us a hint here
18 hours ago, by Rubio
This one should be fun. :)
17 hours ago, by Rubio
1 hour ago, by Rubio
This one should be fun. :)
5 mins ago, by Rubio
See? I told you this one would be fun. :)
 
Oh, I thought he was saying that the clue should be fun (implying that it isn't). ;)
 
my earlier comment was prefaced with
17 hours ago, by Rubio
(not saying this is a hint. not saying this isn't a hint. just saying ...):
consider that included here as well. :)
 
But are you saying that it's NOT a hint?
That is the question...
Feel free not to respond.
Another mode of attack: "Possible wild" might clue something like SIBERIA (but likely shorter).
 
9:10 PM
@Silenus He's specifically NOT saying that.
@Rubio Stop trying to throw us off. We're onto you now. >:)‮
 
He likes to kick us while we're down
Here's a shot in the dark: CUCKOLDS [def. policy concern for Trump ("cuck" is an alt-right term designed to emasculate their opponents)] which is a (rough) sound-alike for CUCKOOS (a wild bird which is a potential carrier of the avian-flu).
Maybe a soundalike for HORNBILLS (a bird), since BILLS is a political term...
 
@Silenus *cough* forgetting something?
 
Almost certainly.
 
‮@Ru
@Silenus you should always ping, even for shots in the dark‮
 
Gotcha, I meant to ask if I should. By the way, what is the story behind the "uR@" notation?
 
9:26 PM
@Silenus the story is that it's not actually "uR@".‮
 
@TrojanByAccident I just mean: What does it stand for? I saw a few people use it before on here.
 
@Silenus It's pinging rubio
 
@TrojanByAccident I think we may be talking past one another. I want to know why the characters "uR@" stand for pinging.
@TrojanByAccident Something to do with "Reply @"?
 
@Silenus I told you, it's not actually "uR@". It's "@Ru", shifted backwards with Unicode ‮right-to-left
‮@Sil
^ works the same way‮
 
@TrojanByAccident Got it and thanks. I have much to learn.
 
9:33 PM
Mhmm :P‮
 
9:49 PM
@TrojanByAccident But I thought you needed 3 characters to ping
 
let's test
‮@bo
 
No ping!
 
i see
‮@bob
 
Yep!
 
herm :/
@Silenus ‮@Rub
 
9:58 PM
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That worked ;)
No - not the answer.
 
user61230
Oh, huh. I got Electorate on meta.
 
Nice. I just got it here yesterday.
two days, two golds. one for Fanatic, one for Electorate. it was a good couple of days :)
 
user61230
Nice, congrats! :]
 
11:00 PM
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@Emrakul did you make that paper owl yourself?
 
11:22 PM
@Deusovi You were right about CCCCs here not being the best ones....
 
Huh? When did I say that?
 
Some days ago, here in the SL
That of = OV... out of my reach
 
No, it's not "of" that stands for OV. It's "I speak of".
I think it's fine.
 
Like a person saying "of", I see.
But didn't it say "I speak of news"?
Anyway I would've never been able to solve it!
 
Yes, and "news" was the definition.
It takes practice! That was a tough one.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the clue though.
 
11:25 PM
I'm glad to hear that!
I thought I was too stupid for it. What a relief!
 
Hey, I didn't solve that one. I've been doing cryptics for years.
 
Yeah but that hardly makes you good at them. I mean it's not like you're an authority on cryptics here or anything. Totally not.
 
Can RO's ban RO's?
 
lol ... we may find out eh! :)
 
We can! Plus I have extra mod powers.
 
11:37 PM
Is that why you're blue and Rubio's italics?
 
Yah
 
Yep!
 
I'm merely an exalted mortal
Whereas he puts the Deus in Deusovi.
 
user61230
@incesterror21 I wish!
 
user61230
I forget the names of the people that made it, but my profile lists it.
 
11:48 PM
I see the avian flu CCCC is still unsolved
Could "carriers" refer to a word property, like the first letters of other words?
 

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