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1:33 AM
puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/46238/… -- perfectly reasonable as a puzzle but I get the strong impression it's more of a "please help me with my homework". Thoughts?
(I can tell him how to solve it, but if it's anything homework-like he'll gain more from figuring it out himself and maybe I should just give him a hint.)
Here's the other question he's asked. Again, works OK as a puzzle but could easily be homework from early in a course on combinatorics or something, and again it feels much more like "please help me solve this thing someone's asking me to do" than like "here's a fun puzzle".
And if it's just that he's run across these things as puzzles, fair enough, by all means let's help him, but it would be better not to do someone's mathematics exercises.
 
Looking at both questions, it definitely looks like he "came across" existing puzzles and is asking for help to solve. Whether he "came across" them during course work is hard to tell... On the plus side, even if it is homework, in both examples it appears as though he is at least trying to solve/understand on his own, and is looking for actual assistance/clarification, rather than looking for someone to just do his work
 
yeah, that's the key distinction. Does he want help because he wants to understand, or does he want help because he wants someone else to do the work for him? (And: Is he going to be assessed on this?)
 
Therefore, IHMO, I think it's probably ok (i.e. it's teaching a man to fish, not giving him one)
 
In which case, I think for the latest one I will post an answer that just says "Parity". (Well, with a few more words to explain why I'm not solving it outright for him :-).)
 
Sounds fair.
 
1:44 AM
Done.
Of course there's always the possibility that some drive-by rep-farmer will come along and post an actual solution, though I have some hope that knowing how to solve that sort of problem anticorrelates with drive-by rep-farming.
 
@GarethMcCaughan It's not very difficult in my opinion...
 
what, the ant question? no, it's very easy
if you've seen any of that sort of thing before
or if you happen to be talented at combinatorics
but some people are not talented at combinatorics and haven't seen any similar things before
(including, apparently, the person who posted the question :-).)
 
(Thinks of mutilated chessboards)
 
yup
aha, we have a "confession": http://puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/46238/is-it-possible-that-the-last-piece-the-ant-has-eaten-is-the-central-one#comment140076_46239
It is indeed homework.
Let's hope my super-brief hint is helpful but not too helpflu.
 
2:03 AM
We also have someone who likes dots
 
yeah. no idea what's with that.
 
They had an incorrect answer before.
 
fair enough
so, the CCCC. "French and co." Of course the "and co." might be something entirely separate from the "French". So what could "French" be doing here? It's the name of a language and a nationality. There's French polishing (a way of getting a very shiny surface on wood), frenching in cookery (splitting up meat and exposing a bone), French kissing. Dawn French. Percy French. Actually quite a lot of other people called French.
None of which seems super-helpful. The first bit could just indicate FRCO, which stands for "Fellow of the Royal College of Organists" but I can't think why organists would sound as if they have no high tea.
"sound like they have no high tea" -> "no IT" -> something kinda-luddite/Amish/old? (I don't find that plausible; just throwing ideas against the wall in case any stick.)
"French and co.", if it's a unit, could also be "FETC" which stands for various things none of which sounds no-high-tea-ish to me.
though some are explicitly technological and I suppose you could make it "know IT" but I think that would be too much of a stretch in multiple ways.
 
2:22 AM
None of those
In the CCCC, French is not a name of anyone.
 
oh, sorry, I wasn't actually asking for hints, I was thinking out loud in case it was helpful either to me or to other would-be solvers
(I realise I entirely failed to make that clear, having gone straight from talking to you about something else to "so, the CCCC." Sorry about that.)
 
When I say none of those, I mean not FRCO, FETC, or NOIT
 
3:10 AM
I know I've seen that ant question before.
But I can't seem to find it.
Also, "French and" --> ET?
 
3:34 AM
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Q: Is the lack of a [homework] tag purposeful?

tmpearceAs a user who's spent most of my time over on stackoverflow, I'm very familiar with the concept of homework questions being asked on stack exchange sites. For a while there was a vicious commenting/downvote pattern going on, and ultimately [homework] questions were tagged as such, and users coul...

 
 
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4:56 AM
Heh.. re: my comment about getting votes on old posts the other day. I just got an accepted tick on an answer over on SO that is literally 3 years old. Guess it took a little while to validate my suggestion. :)
 
 
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10:14 AM
ET is a nice idea, but then what do you do with "co."?
 
10:53 AM
Never thought game-jam will be the answer to this puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/45569/a-tone-deaf-prophet
 
11:11 AM
@GarethMcCaughan What is the latest CCCC?
"and co." can be translated into "et cie" in French
 
@IAmInPLS The one you're talking about is the latest.
@Techidiot I don't think it's The Answer, it's just what one of the hints is about.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Sorry, I was asking for the full cryptic clue, I didn't see it
 
May be or may be not. The puzzle speaks about a place. May be the place is game-jam and the prophet might be a mentor. Not sure though
 
Just saw the last bit of conversation
 
@IAmInPLS the clue is from boboquack and is: French and co. sound like they have no high tea (4)
and boboquack has said that it's an abbreviation but a common one.
 
11:24 AM
Thanks
 
@Techidiot I confess I became somewhat less interested in that question when I saw the game-jam hint, because that makes it more likely that the question is basically "do you know the same video game trivia as me?".
though I'm still somewhat hopeful that it's better than that
(the story is nicely told and it would be a shame to see such polish wasted on something that turns out to be a pure guess-what-I'm-thinking question about something obscure)
 
Yeah! I am not much into games as I was. With that answer, I went off the hook.
Hah. Yeah. Too much effort on story building.
 
Cor, someone downvoted my answer to the ant-in-a-cube puzzle. I wonder whether it's because they think it's bad to post something as an answer that doesn't actually have an answer to the question in it, or (exactly the opposite) because they think it's bad to give any help at all on someone's homework.
(Or because they just don't like me, but most of my answers don't get downvoted so it's probably not that.)
I guess I'll adjust my future behaviour in two opposite directions in the light of this feedback :-).
 
I usually do not put a down vote unless its a spam or something way out of the scope
 
Because it doesn't answer the question IMO (it looks like a comment to me)
But since it looks like I'm the only one with this view, theres no need to adjust your behaviour
 
11:35 AM
You can't spoiler-protect comments.
 
Quick question: when (cryptic) cluing an abbreviation, is the expanded form a valid definition? (e.g. "et cetera" for ETC)
 
Rot 13 or rot 47 helps (I usually link to a converter)
 
@Volatility yes
 
ok, thanks
 
@LukasRotter I suppose. I also wanted something prominent that would be seen by other people before they came in and gave a complete answer.
Because I think the temptation could be large, and it would be better for everyone if it weren't indulged :-).
And, thinking in terms of incentives, if you come along and see this question and it has no answers you might well answer it before even reading the small-print rot13 comments; whereas if you see it already has an answer with a bunch of upvotes you'll probably at least look at that answer before posting yours.
(because in the former case you want to get in there and get the sweet, sweet rep before anyone else does, and how the heck has this easy question not been answered by now anyway?; and in the latter case your prospects are not so good and yours won't be the first answer in any case.)
 
11:51 AM
While that makes perfect sense in a "strategic" point of view (i.e. it is homework and you don't want the OP to get the solution right away), I personally strictly go after some critera when up-/down-voting an answer, and your answer met the "Not an answer" one. If the OP was explicitly asking for hints in the question, I wouldn't have downvoted.
I try to follow this criteria in order to prevent as much hypocrisy/subjectivity as possible on my part. (although that doesn't always work, there are some downvotes from me I'm not exactly proud of :P)
 
 
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Sid
3:06 PM
My puzzle is almost ready. Anyone, please don't solve it within an hour.. :P
 
I can't promise anything
 
Sid
Oh dear... I would better not post it...
No, it might last more than an hour..
 
Sid
3:36 PM
Is it necessary to use the visual tag for something not containing pictures? But, containing an image
 
Depends on what exactly you mean by image (not everyone defines it the same). But if it's "A puzzle that incorporates a visual component", it would certainly fit.
But it's not necessary, of course
 
Sid
Well, not exactly visual component, you know, just a picture of some writings which are useful..
 
4:01 PM
well... I have 77% of it...
well, of the first stage
 
lowercase homoglyphs? what?
;_;
except you count numbers as lowercase...
 
@LukasRotter ?
 
I'm talking about clue 6 of this.
 
Sid's new puzzle is an imgur maze
or starts that way
 
4:12 PM
Extremely complex and unreal.(1) might be letter "i" I guess
 
@Techidiot yep, it's probably (ROT 47) Q:Q[ QDE24<Q[ Q:>8Q[ QFCQ[ QnnQ[ QnQ[ QnnQ[ QA?8Q
 
:O What was that?
 
Finding random images is the funniest part of imgur mazes :P
 
I think Sconibulus may be suggesting that's the first step
rather than some random thing
but maybe I'm completely misunderstanding either his intention or yours
though I'd have thought it ought to be a V in the middle
 
4:16 PM
A neatly arranged pile. (5) can be "stack". And neatly arranged might mean applying anagram to get "tacks "
 
V or W both seem plausible, is probably why he has a ? there
 
@Techidiot no, it's stack.
(a stack is already neatly arranged)
 
Hmm..
 
did you read Lukas's thing full of Qs?
 
Arrive without your tail(3) might mean COM or CAM
I didn't get that sorry.
 
4:18 PM
yup, COM
@Techidiot If you take a look at the answer Levieux just posted all may become clearer
 
:p
 
hmm, it is not (a-z)(1)[WV]aO
I also tried 1,3,5 in the a-z slot
 
Sid
Well, Levieux missed the main gist..
 
so I'm pretty sure aO is wrong and I don't know what else it might be
 
@Sid I'd ask "what do you mean by missed the main gist?" but I suspect that's a question that can't be answered without giving hints.
 
Sid
4:23 PM
oops, I messed up... Levieux did get it.. But I meant, "informal web" rather than "formal"
 
Key to solving lies here might take "Education is the key" into consideration.
 
@Techidiot I suspect that will come a bit later
 
Yeah.
 
Sid
The 5 things that he has to solve to get the next image..
 
I'm guessing vigenere with 'education' as the key
 
4:24 PM
I don't really see how either "formal web" or "informal web" makes sense as a clue for URL (or URI for that matter)
 
Sid
"Uniform Resource Locator (URL), commonly informally termed a web address"-Wiki
 
@Sid the next image? So far as I can tell, we haven't got the first image yet.
 
Sid
Yeah, the first image...
 
The fact that a URL is sometimes informally called a web address doesn't mean that "informal web" can mean "URL".
I mean, obviously it wasn't too difficult since both Sconibulus and Levieux (and maybe others) solved it, but I don't think it actually makes sense. Sorry!
 
I only got it by figuring out the rest :)
 
4:26 PM
(A cigarette is sometimes informally called a cancer stick. Does that mean that "informal cancer" would be a good clue for "cigarette"?)
 
Sid
Yeah, I should have done something else.. like "Letters for You are"
 
my best guess for informal cancer would probably be 'meme'
but I'm not entirely certain I can provide an explanation of why
 
Sid
Gareth has the right idea
 
@Sid You mean that the second letter is uppercase?
 
Sid
I received a downvote.Makes me cry.. :-(
 
4:31 PM
I think the first two could be ii.
 
Sid
@GentlePurpleRain I am not supposed to tell everything,am I?
 
Alternate Occupation with big tail (2) might mean - en with tails of the two words
 
Or maybe the first two are't the same.
 
Sid
@BeastlyGerbil You have the answer to that one...
 
Capital I and lowercase l in imgur look the same...
 
4:32 PM
@BeastlyGerbil But I is uppercase... "they are small"
 
Well, theyre both thin
 
Don't know...
 
Can't upvote today. Sorry @Sid
 
Huh, I don't think I've ever hit that
 
4:33 PM
:D
 
Theres a bagde for that
 
Sid
There is something like that,too?Surprising... I had never actually seen that before.
 
@Sconibulus I think I did for the badge
 
@BeastlyGerbil You got it! :D
Vox Populi
 
Sid
@BeastlyGerbil You already have the answer to the one you are trying...
 
4:34 PM
Oh 11?
 
I don't even have the 30 vote one, let alone the 40
 
Sid
Nope..
 
you all must suck at posting things I want to upvote :)
 
Sid
You have already used it before.
 
4:35 PM
What?
Oh ii
 
Sid
No..
 
What? I'm so confused
 
i is neither odd nor even :P
 
Sid
Not the obvious ones.. Think of it as a cryptic clue and try solving it. What does a cryptic clue have?
 
A definition and a wordplay
 
Sid
4:37 PM
Now see the clue and think..
 
could it be dd (the small identical letters in Oddly)?
 
Sid
I am sorry, no
 
Ah that would be perfect
 
Sid
Oh, and the letters are not identical..
 
Damn.
 
4:38 PM
Could it mean an anagram of "identical" (or of "small")?
 
Sid
Which anagram indicator did I use?
 
oddly could easily be an anagram indicator
 
Yes, "Oddly"
 
Sid
@BeastlyGerbil You have already written the answer right here.. You just need to modify it a bit..
 
So it's mn?
 
Sid
4:40 PM
I am afraid, I used it in another sense..
 
lI or Il?
 
Sid
Lukas Rotter mentioned that all letters in the clue are small...
 
uw might make a twisted sort of sense
 
Hey!
 
If we ignore everything after the comma, sm might make an AndLiterally...
 
4:43 PM
how about small = sm = odd-numbered letters of same
ha, two people with the same proposal for different reasons
 
Sid
Finally!
 
hey Sconibulus, want to do your exhaustive-search thing for smV[a-z][A-Z] ?
 
Sid
@Deusovi The clues were not crossword worthy?
If you got this one, the last one is easier..
 
@Sid They weren't crossword-style clues.
 
the alternate occupation one might just be jB
 
4:45 PM
JOB --> jB
yep
 
(alternate letters of "job", second one capital)
aha
anyway, this clearly really is an imgur maze so I'll leave it to others who enjoy those more than I do :-).
 
Sid
It's actually pretty small, after this, its the final part..
 
the current one seems like it leads to too many letters
wo/something/W/ps
 
__Wps
yeah
 
(or the W might actually be WH)
oh, maybe it starts s
 
Sid
4:48 PM
Deusovi has it..
 
he->she
 
ah, yeah
 
Sid
Damn, it might really be solved in an hour..
 
Ugh, transcription.
 
oh good. now some lucky person gets to type letters out of an image
 
4:48 PM
oh good, cipher transcription, that never sucks
 
Now I definitely think this should be tagged
 
Sid, mind copy-pasting the text here for us?
I don't want to transcribe that.
 
lol
 
and then we can devigenere with key EDUCATION
 
Sid
Ahh, I have already deleted the document with which I typed that..
 
4:49 PM
D:
 
Sid
So, I am sorry, no help on that..
 
Wlx tezzsgjxfny bvtbvpm vhx wbr aki
oops
 
Sid
@Deusovi Try to rot 13 the last part of the riddle spoiler..
 
(sorry, there was a typo which I've fixed)
 
Sid
It's a helpful one..
 
4:50 PM
I did.
"The heading and the body in the final part are differently coded. Don't merge them."
 
Sid
Fine... Then, this would be solved by the time I come back from supper..
 
jal zsngkyf taqg seu njam ps jsq'n de
tjzr xr uecxxh lsxl cnlese vlajt gwk
 
Sid regredfully informs the one who
has reached this far that he won't be
able to accept your answer right now.
Sid also wishes the site the best
for its future as it is becoming
increasingly likely that he wont
be part of the site in the near future
 
Aw, why, Sid?
 
4:51 PM
that sounds rather sad
 
N zrffntr ol Fvq
Wlx tezzsgjxfny bvtbvpm vhx wbr aki
jal zsngkyf taqg seu njam ps jsq'n de
tjzr xr uecxxh lsxl cnlese vlajt gwk.
Fmg unsh ewflhm vhx awgi wbg bxah
ssu cvs ychhvh uu im qg oifioigo
waguycsbvuyc ocmeeg huew bg whv'h
oi sutt hn hui vcve bv hui qycr ychhvh.
 
title is rot13(A message by Sid)
 
There might be a few mistake in that transcription I typed, but I'm pretty sure it accurate.
Yup, it was accurate :(
 
Is anyone going to post the whole? I have a partial draft if no one is on it
 
4:58 PM
I'm not posting anything as I didn't solve anything
If you don't have a transcription of your own you can grab the one I typed a few minutes ago, it's accurate.
 
Sid
Well, It got solved rather easily... I see..
In any case, good bye people.. It's been a privilege interacting with such clever and intelligent people. :-)
 
y u do dis?
 
@Sid - why are you leaving? :c
 
5:24 PM
Nov 7 at 15:31, by Sid
@Deusovi Important exams, etc.
 
Goodbye, Sid! I hope everything goes well.
 
As long as you come back after.
 
We now seem to have one version of the answer posted by Techidiot, and one community-wikied and posted by Sconibulus.
 
Tech did ask if anyone was making one, no one answered
 
I didn't knew how if I am able to post a community wiki. Let me know if I should remove mine.
 
5:30 PM
Oh, sorry, I went out and grabbed a sandwich and was eating while I was formatting
 
@Sconibulus you can copy my content and add it in yours. I can then remove my answer.
 
@Techidiot To turn an answer into a com wiki just click the checkbox on the bottom right corner of the answer textbox.
 
@dcfyj - That's that was too easy. Never used it before.
 
hehe
 
5:37 PM
@Sconibulus Nice! Deleted in less than 2 minutes by 6 spam flags. (I only recognized the name of one of the flaggers; I guess there are a lot of lurkers that know spam when they see it!).
 
One community wiki is probably enough, looking at your answer, the only particularly helpful thing I did I think is linking to a Conversation, rather than the full chat
Although, one of the benefits of community wiki is that ownership is basically revoked, so there's much less stigma for non-poster edits
@GentlePurpleRain So my call to arms was useless? :) Good to know
 
@Sconibulus Only because others were so quick to respond. The call to arms was still a good call, though.
 
@Sconibulus- I removed mine.
 
@Techidiot And all my beautiful editing. Tear
 
Oh, well. Yes
 
5:41 PM
lol
I only spaced out the lines a little
 
I will keep it. :) Let me un-delete it. Did some efforts there :D
 
Don't worry about it. If anything I think the two answers should be merged.
whir garble?
 
Is that a thing that can be done?
 
manually :P
 
Oh... well, I discovered yesterday that @LukasRotter loves performing tedious tasks manually :)
 
5:44 PM
volunteering him?
 
mostly just teasing
 
blinks twice to signal I'm in danger
 
Wait, did we do anything with the bottom half of the first image?
 
The leaders of papua-new guinea?
I think that was just a herring
 
that's clearly a png hint (which isn't exactly necessary)
but I meant the stuff below that
 
5:49 PM
59 mins ago, by Deusovi
"The heading and the body in the final part are differently coded. Don't merge them."
is what it says
 
ahh
and 'no worries...' is just to finish the line I guess?
 
"No worries..."?
 
"No worries if you don't, it's a small country after all."
 
oh, that's probably still referring to the png bit
 
alright, I think I pulled everything useful into the answer now
 
6:01 PM
You merged them? I bet that was fun :S
 
not exactly? I kinda just replaced the pre-image one stuff of mine with his
The explanations for clueset 2 didn't seem lovely enough to merge, and our decryption stuff was basically identical
I was initially going to mess with his and delete mine, but then I noticed that his wasn't actually a Community Wiki and thought that didn't seem right
 
6:59 PM
World Chess tiebreaks starting right about now, if anyone cares, first up is best of 4 series with about 30 minutes a piece
 
7:16 PM
Started making 'This is it. This is the one. Save your wife.'. Kind of realised I'd left the other on a bit of a cliffhanger. Got some good ideas though...
 
"Oops" :P
 

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