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A: Is it appropriate to force an almost-5yo child to do things (at school) when they don't want to cooperate?

very big catTry installing some kind of recording device in your child's clothes or bag. You will get evidence. Also, consider some kind of alternative schooling, like Montessori, or opting out of public school altogether. It would be nice, if you could opt out of taxes as well. I strongly suspect she may ge...

"I strongly suspect she may get psychologically abused by a public school teacher." What an outrageous accusation!
@anongoodnurse that's why she needs a recording device. It may turn out to be true, or false.
Your suggestion of a recording device is neither here nor there. It's an outrageous accusation, period/full stop.
@anongoodnurse children are not considered reliable witnesses, and neither are teachers and their friends from work, because one friend may always try to cover the other's back. A parent needs something solid in case that a child is abused.
Neither here nor there. That you would accuse all public school teachers of abuse is just reprehensible.
14:35
I have genuine good faith that the school is not an abusive environment. She's happy at school, and as far as I can tell, they are genuinely good people who treat the children well. They're just doing too much for her, in my opinion.
@anongoodnurse please consider the facts first... you have hundreds of children in one building, managed by just dozens of teachers... and about 1% of population are psychopathic, while general mental illness is in double digits. There's no way they can catch all bullies, be it children or teachers. 20% of children report being bullied... and teachers allow this to happen because they cannot catch everybody. pacer.org/bullying/info/stats.asp
You see the world through your lens. That's a choice. I don't share it; that's mine. You won't change that. Yes, kids are bullied, but usually not by the teachers. Yes, teachers are busy. Yes, some teachers are lazy, some are mentally ill, but I will assume innocence until I am aware of evidence to the contrary. You're doing the opposite.
"1% of population are psychopathic..." That is not true. First, "psychopath" is a debated term. It doesn't exist in the DSM 5. Antisocial Personality Disorders have a prevalence of about 3% with a male to female ratio of 3:1. So, your lens about female teachers is distorted.
Wow, so you've just admitted that roughly 1% of females and 3% of males are antisocial.
That's a good start.
14:51
Yes, antisocial. Most antisocial people aren't attracted to educating little kids. The most likely antisocial people in schools are male principals.
Please also consider the fact that:
1. The remaining 99% of females and 97% of males must have evolved to deal with antisocial persons.
2. There's always a fine line between pro-social duties and coercion.... for example it's a duty of a child to obey the teacher before teacher proven to the child that she's competent.
3. Even pro-social behaviours, such as socialisation, religion or social conventions, are arbitrary, and fluid, and are enforced, if not by force, then by shaming and other forms of psychological violence.
And your assumption that antisocial people aren't attracted to educating little kids... well.... who's more vulnerable than a kid for a cult leader, or other kind of teachers?
Please consider that most teachers teach children to participate in society, and organized society (the state) is a cult of some sort as well.
Which is evidenced by you berating my opinion the teachers MAY be abusive, and therefore parents may benefit from a recording device.
15:26
@stanri you see, you've answered yourself... even though they are good for her this time, they are trying to do too much weird things with her and the toilet.
 
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19:47
I believe you know less about APD than you think you do. People with APD have evidence of a conduct disorder (e.g. "criminal behavior") before the age of 15. That's one of the criteria for the diagnosis. They also have at least 3 of the following:
- Failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
- Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit.
- Impulsivity or failure to plan.
- Irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults.
- Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others.
- Consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations.
- Lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person.
In society, they tend to have less education, lower IQs, drug use and addiction, and a number of other problems.

Don't sound much like the average childhood educators, who tend to be very prosocial.
There are exceptions to everything, but it's unlikely that teachers go into teaching little kids in order to turn them into little criminals.
I didn't berating your "opinion that teachers MAY be abusive"; I find your assumption,
"I strongly suspect she may get psychologically abused by a public school teacher." outrageous. Sorta... not quite right.
 
2 hours later…
21:29
@verybigcat - I have reviewed and agree with @anongoodnurse - your post is not acceptable, so I have deleted it. It contains warrantless slander, as well as seeming to be basically a bit of a rant/opinion, which is not suited here.
21:47
As you wish, you can delete my posts.
Yet somehow 20% of Americans are mentally ill each year.... So the school system works, right?
22:01
what I am arguing is:
1. Violence does happen in schools, and teachers don't police schools properly.
2. The system itself is abusive, as a lot of people who leave schools are either poor or mentally ill.
3. If a teacher is faulty of anything, they're unlikely to lose jobs immediately as they should.

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