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8:56 AM
@trogdor And you forgot the best option. Elf mage.
Discriminated both for the race AND the profession.
 
yeah I didn't even try that one
I think I rolled a human when I tried to play a mage? it was a while ago and it could have been something else
 
@trogdor I still think this is likely a case of pareidolia / rorschach effect. (I think I am just as prone to seeing parallels that the author didn't put into a work too, but different ones.)
 
oh I don't think it was specifically intentional if that's what you mean
 
well, to be fair Tranquil look much like lobotomy.
 
yes
I sort of meant that specifically when I mentioned it
 
9:11 AM
so, I am not that sure it was NOT intentional
also, the same game has basically references to the "Ius primae noctis" in the city elf story
and the noble dwarf story has a not-so-subtle hint at female dwarfes trying to get a son with the main character to raise their status...
so, they dropped plenty of grim themes in the games.
 
yeah I think the prima notis thing was what I saw when I tried to pick an elf
 
Topped with fanservice because sell.
(see: Morrigan "armor")
 
@trogdor Ah, I thought you compared Templars/Circles to the mental health organisations.
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I did, are the Templars and the Circles not the ones who force tranquility on mages?
 
"force"... you can freely choose.
That... or a sword in your back.
 
9:17 AM
@trogdor I mean, I thought you meant in general, along with the implications that mages are the stand-in for neurodivergents.
 
well yes
that's literally the way it came off to me
 
At least I recall something like that going on in prior discussions. Which is similar to how people see supers in similar light.
 
that's kinda why I hate it so much
XD
 
Not completely. They seem to be more of a "those are heretics " thing.
 
well the thing is
 
9:20 AM
A mix of "power corrupts" and good old medieval style "Holy Inquisition"
 
it's dressed up as some kind of religious thing
but really any mage who in any way rebels against them is a heretic
there's no consent buy in
 
@trogdor yep, which is totally how the actual Holy Inquisition worked.
Ask Galileo....
 
it's not any better than the church burning people at the stake for being witches
 
@SPArcheon Wasn't Galileo's case more complicated and not entirely religiously-caused (despite being religion-mediated)?
 
@trogdor Based on the lines Morrigan gets in the game, I think they do that too.
 
9:23 AM
well I think in Dragon Age context witches are mages who have avoided the Templars and the Chantry altogether?
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica Yes, and I was specifically saying that it was religion-mediated as a way to "make thing easy" for the ones who wanted him down.
an "excuse" of sort.
 
to be fair I am entirely fuzzy on that point because I didn't play or watch very much Dragon Age at all
 
@SPArcheon I mean it's not that he rebelled, it's that he explicitly offended people and those people decided to retaliate, IIRC?
 
again, most of what I saw of the first game was not even getting an elf character into the starting sequence because the described starting backstory was so brutal, and getting a mage pretty much exactly past the starting scenario only to drop the game after that in disgust
 
That kind of stuff still happens now but the methods of retaliation are different.
 
9:25 AM
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica oh, I see what you mean.
 
either way, the religiously motivated part of the whole process wasn't technically my biggest issue with the whole thing at the time, but it definitely wasn't a positive
I think I was too young at the time to have formed much of the core of my ideas on religion that I have up to this point
I wasn't completely unaware of religous persecution as a theory but I hadn't had any personal experience with it yet at the time either
 
I will not step in that field, let just say that the latest year made me appreciate that first line of a fanmade mlp song
> When you're rife with devastation, there's a simple explanation
You're a toymaker's creation trapped inside a crystal ball
 
10:23 AM
@SPArcheon Huh, that's an interesting take on the Rage Against Heavens. What's it from?
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica When the MLP fandom exploded and became a mass phenomenon, someone made an abridged version of a few episodes of the show under the name of Friendship is Witchcraft. I never watched any since I was not interested (the series being the usual "trash the characters someone else created" thing that I still despise - that is not fanwork, that is just abusing someone else work.)
I know a few songs created for that show though.
One is Gypsy Bard.
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica ? Sorry?
Anyway.
here
There are multiple theories about the intended meaning of the song.
from a pure 4 wall hanging one to things like family violence.
 
@SPArcheon It seems to remind me something Nicholson mentioned being somehow connected to.
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I don't know. As I said, never actually watched a single episode. I avoid fanworks that drastically change established characters in somehow offensive mockeries of themselves.
For one, FiW turns Spike into Twilight slave, Fluttershy into a satanism cult leader and so on.
No thanks.
Want to explore new "artistic directions"? Do that with your own characters.
 
 
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11:51 AM
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I think that may be the exact thing yes
 
12:30 PM
@trogdor @vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I assume you are talking about this one . I don't know anything about her, sorry.
 
@SPArcheon Yeah. You were the one who 'introduced' her around here.
 
? I mentioned Jenny Nicholson?
The only relevant mention of this Jenny that I can find is you mentioning the name in my old rant about "bad fanworks"
 
@SPArcheon Yeah you linked her video(s).
 
1:09 PM
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica please have pity and just show me where since I don't remember and probably I wasn't even noticing WHO made the video.
I fear you may be over-estimating my "who made what" memory about MLP content.
It is already enough I remember specific names like MandoPony.
 
@SPArcheon The last Broniecon dissection something-something.
 
@SPArcheon . . . and who?
@SPArcheon I'm pretty sure you did link to that video before.
 
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica Doesn't feel like something I would do since I mentioned that that preview image does look very awkward
 
2:09 PM
@SPArcheon Looking more at the log you linked, that might've been the first introduction I saw, which means I probably misremembered.
 
2:36 PM
@SPArcheon I've seen you link it, maybe not here
Unless there's two videos being discussed babylonically
 
3:10 PM
@AndrasDeak sorry, I can't find anything related
 
3:24 PM
@SPArcheon Perhaps I just saw chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/13848?m=55833741#55833741 and clicked through?
 
probable
 
 
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4:39 PM
@AndrasDeak That said,since you like searching, you could go hunting for who posted that embroidery picture here before I reposted it on Meta for the parrot.
 
 
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6:06 PM
@doppelgreener they're all trying to help a novice GM run a end 5e game
They= main chat
 
@SPArcheon I could :P Do you want me to?
 
 
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8:22 PM
@AncientSwordRage thanks!
 
9:22 PM
@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica actually it looks like someone else linked that video first, and then SPAcheon re-linked it later
 

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