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Aiden Chow

02:09

@Steffan i try it but it doesnt seem to handle smth like ; OUTPUT "foo\" OUTPUT "bar" properly

the backslash suppose to make output with no newline but foo\nbar is output instead

correct output is foobar

Aiden Chow

02:35

i dont even get what semicolon does but im still making functioning programs somehow lol

just putting semicolons in random spots until stuff works XD

and sometimes semicolons arent even needed, cant make any sense of it

Steffan

@AidenChow Well you know that semicolons are in polish notation too, right?

So it takes two args and returns the sec

@AidenChow that's because the code is given with JS backticks so it gets rid of them

just double-escape the backticks and then don't count the double in the byte-count, ofc

actually, imma hack it so the code goes in cmd args

Aiden Chow

02:51

bro i have no idea what im doing, im just ctrl f in the specs

and then just putting semicolons in random places until my code works

lol

Steffan

https://tio.run/##lVhrc9s2Fv2@v4LmphYh0rSc6bQT0bQncZ1Opo2cxm4zu5ISgSAksaFAhQ/bqcT96917wReol9N8yIjAwX3h3Af8J72nCYuDZXoiIp//zUKaJNovIpjN0@s4jmKNP6Zc@Ikmv1Z5AXhH44S395UzFep9JtJg8TTuNo05XaxYJJI0zlgaxQYlq3QeJHYSZTHjLs1hJ1h@mAcpT5aUcaPcX9CUzY3Tj8ZwNB4NRwms5/2xuf738ONIjLvGSKyfEdI9JfmS88@wG/M0i4WmCB/2xuu1yMIwL4R5FnN7ZBXyVKOuZ/NHzgwFTpxSBB5xXZde4o@@CnGV33aSeWC7QUGNHXIxS@fEokM2JnkageOBmO20Ks9lOLS7/7y7vnWHY6cI1R80zPgqSWkaMG2Jt2B4ZOXZW@FxphDFexqDDz2HnksxpX6HmmbhH3Pl@pCO7UqWE0wNRkp7WK74mseZkGGPowdN8IeCEbnPvWy2Y32Pd1KI3WwCbpAtPB7vwVWbgHsVRSGnYg@w3s1LVv0KwYhpWBOvCN0GyZJsidItKeqTT1MKXCscVZTscKb8bs7t8qT8boO…

use dat

@AidenChow that's not how you do it lol

so like do you even know how the lang works lol i bet you dont

Aiden Chow

@Steffan ye u just put function name and then the arguments and stuff, then the semicolon just magically makes ur code work :P

and then sometimes add whitespace cuz stuff breaks if u dont

Steffan

a number can be part of a var name so you need space there

so =c0 doesn't work, u need =c 0

Aiden Chow

@Steffan OH thats why

i was just adding a space cuz that usually fixes things lol

tried adding a semicolon there but it didnt really work

Steffan

and like O is the same as OASDASD is the same as OUTPUT so u need space

: is the identity function, basically equiv to whitespace

takes an arg and returns it, so if u hate whitespace then use : lol

also stuff like parens and brackets are ignored

the c interpreter segfaults on everything so that's why I like the JS one better

Aiden Chow

02:57

wait why it ignore parentheses

Steffan

because they're redundant

just for readability

Aiden Chow

but like how u do math stuff without parentheses

Steffan

everything has fixed arity

so a+b is +a b as u know

so what is +*- 1 2 3 4?

Aiden Chow

@Steffan i have no clue

Steffan

(1-2)*3+4

because everything takes two args

or those do

so first u parse - 1 2 which is 1-2

then *- 1 2 3 which is (1-2)*3

then the add

it's polish notation

Polish notation

Polish notation (PN), also known as normal Polish notation (NPN), Łukasiewicz notation, Warsaw notation, Polish prefix notation or simply prefix notation, is a mathematical notation in which operators precede their operands, in contrast to the more common infix notation, in which operators are placed between operands, as well as reverse Polish notation (RPN), in which operators follow their operands. It does not need any parentheses as long as each operator has a fixed number of operands. The description "Polish" refers to the nationality of logician Jan Łukasiewicz, who invented Polish notation...

Aiden Chow

03:00

kinda weird but ok

Steffan

wikipedia might be able to explain better than me :p

ok so does this make any sense at all yet

i bet it doesn't

Aiden Chow

ok so the entire lang is based off this weird notation????

@Steffan errrr... tbh no

Steffan

yeah

there's other langs that are same way, like Pyth

Aiden Chow

im more used to seeing stuff like f(x) = blah blah blah lol

Steffan

lol

Aiden Chow

03:03

so like what does semicolon have to do with this notation

Steffan

it's just to separate things

; a b returns b

so statement separator

Aiden Chow

wait what, so it skips a and then just runs b??

Steffan

it runs a as well

so if u want to do x=3;y=3, you can't do =x 3 =y 3, you have to do ;=x 3=y 3 (or =x=y 3)

so let's say you have a while loop, you have to know which statements are in the while loop and which aren't

Aiden Chow

@Steffan hmmmmmmmmmm.... why not

so confused lol

Steffan

You need a way to separate statements

So if you have a while loop with two satements, how's it gonna know what to put in the loop?

So the while loop takes one statement

And you can combine them with ;

So like in your answer W1O1, the while loop takes one statement, O1. What if you wanted to output smth else too?

You would do W1;O1O2

Aiden Chow

03:08

@Steffan umm i just put it in a string??

Steffan

ok yeah you could do that in that case

what if u want to set a var

or put another while loop in there as well

Aiden Chow

bro idk enough of the language to figure that one out

just like put it there ig

Steffan

but what if you also want to output

if you just do W1{some random statement}{some random statement} how does it know what to do? Does it do the last statement outside or inside of the loop?

bruh i give up lol

Aiden Chow

@Steffan i mean maybe they implement that with the whitespace, like maybe space between the two statements to indicate the last statement isnt part of the while loop or smth like that, this semicolon stuff is like way too confusing, i still dont understand it

Steffan

bruh

you need space for other stuff too

and that would be so ambiguous and confusing

Aiden Chow

03:14

not as confusing as this semicolon

Steffan

this is meant to be a simple lang that can be implemented easily in many langs, not some comp lang with indentation and stuff

idk why u dont understand semicolon lol

It's a function just like every other function in Knight

It takes a, b, evaluates a, and returns b evaluated

Aiden Chow

@Steffan ok that just seems like it does nothing

Steffan

bruh

Aiden Chow

like just do a b or smth like that no need for semicolon

Steffan

in a sense, yes

@AidenChow but u have to know what goes where

does it go in the loop or not

Aiden Chow

03:18

@Steffan yea well that would be an issue, but semicolon seems like weird solution to me, just utilize the whitespace or smth like that, much clearer

like its just confusing, just put semicolon at the start of ur code and boom ur code just work

Steffan

03:53

whitespace would be so confusing lol

like how do you tell what on earth it means

i wish knight had scoped vars. it makes recursion pretty much impossible

because u recurse and ur vars get overriden

Aiden Chow

04:04

whats the best way to differentiate a num from a str

@Steffan i could say the same thing about semicolons lolol

Aiden Chow

07:57

do u guys know of a good way to coerce a number into a string

nvm i figured it out, just add empty string to the num

lol idek how this works anymore, but it somehow works: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/219576/…

Razetime

08:39

can't you do ASCII on a char to get 100

Aiden Chow

@Razetime shoot i actually forgot ascii works both ways

thats embarrassing

ok i edited it, -8 bytes -_-

emanresu A

09:16

Minifier: bit.ly/3vHi07R

Does variable renaming, whitespace removal and builtin name golfing

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA O_O wow nice, but i already code minified lol (is that normal?)

emanresu A

09:36

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Razetime

09:50

@AidenChow the coercion may turn up on some other challenges however. worth writing a tip for it

Aiden Chow

@Razetime eh maybe, ill write one up if i have time

Steffan

23:15

@AidenChow Num check could be like this, I think (not tested): ?+x"0"x

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