The Sand Trap

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00:00

3. That's actually all I need

And please hurry with #1 so I can make sure SSH works before I need to go to dinner

Okay I can SSH!

I think SSH to root is disallowed tho

Gotta go for now but Ginger, provide those things (oh an also your account name) and I'll have it set up tonight

Ginger

hmmm

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00:33

Ginger you had 34 minutes and you failed me

Ginger

sorry sorry

I also have a life, crazy as it may seem d:

I'll take care of it in a few minutes

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Okay

Ginger

and by "a few minutes" I mean "less than half an hour" q:

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Well I'll go play some Krunker then

Be here by 20:00 my timezone or I'm auctioning off the VM to Russian crypto miners

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms surprise! I'm back

alright, so from what device do you want the config

lyxal

00:45

That's what an arrow head with 6 arrow heads overlayed looks like

Ginger

that sure is a thing

lyxal

Why are they all overlayed, you ask? Because visio for some strange reason doesn't render it all as one arrow head

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hype

lyxal

despite the fact they all point at the same thing

frick off Grammarly correcting visio to vision

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms haha now you're the late one

also, here's my pubkey:

in The Nineteenth Byte, Nov 17, 2022 at 21:22, by Ginger

ok, here it is:
ssh-rsa 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 ginger@gingerbox

lyxal

00:52

truly good software

Ginger

why do you put up with visio lol

lyxal

@Ginger university

Ginger

ah

lyxal

and by the sounds of things, this is the sort of stuff I'll be doing as a job apparently

Ginger

o7

lyxal

00:56

Software Engineering amiright?

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@Ginger The server

Ginger

aight

I assume it's fine to post publicly?

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah

It'll be long so a gist works

Ginger

ok:

wrong file lol

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah I thought so lol

Ginger

01:06

#	$OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.103 2018/04/09 20:41:22 tj Exp $

# This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file.  See
# sshd_config(5) for more information.

# This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin

# The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with
# OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where
# possible, but leave them commented.  Uncommented options override the
# default value.

Include /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/*.conf

Protocol 2

that oughta do it

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Also recommendation: if you ever generate a new SSH key, make it an ed25519 with a password on the private key. Shorter key, more secure, and even if your privkey is leaked it's no big deal

RSA's kinda 2000 yknow

lyxal

I am having lots of fun with visio

yes good fu

n

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms got it

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It's crazy to me how short EC keys are

Like look at my pubkey

ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3NzaC1lZDI1NTE5AAAAICaJvH7E2xu/RUfQ3DDqtb6SwyJRhPDp9EfzHCsYsXvk radvylf@penguin
ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3NzaC1lZDI1NTE5AAAAICEahEKwi9kepcdfB7lR2/J2WF5yQZyU/KfZd4eoBOnE rydwolf@dark-wolf

Ginger

that sure is short

> dark-wolf

~~is that where you write your goth Joe Biden fanfic~~

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01:15

~~Yep~~

Ginger

~~I knew it~~

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Okay now I just have three things left to do

1. Resize the VM to 100 GB
2. Remember how to increase the resource limits
3. Start it in the background somehow

Ginger

ah yes, Hitchhiker's Counting

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There :p

Ginger

lol

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01:25

Not sure if I should run this in a screen session (would give me access to the recovery console but potentially be unreliable) or a systemd thing

The best option would ofc be to write a custom Rust program to manage it but I don't have that yet

Ginger

systemd all the way

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Yeah but systemd means no console

And it also is overkill here

Ginger

hopefully I won't fuck it up that badly :p

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I may need it for other reasons

I'll go with screen for now

Ginger

hm

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01:26

It should be temporary

Ginger

aight

@RydwolfPrograms g2g, I've given you everything you asked for ~~so I expect results tomorrow~~ :b

bye now

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o/

lyxal

Everyone always thinks of Java when they think of OO

they never think of all the other non-programming OO stuff :p

~~and just how painful it is~~

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Alright it's up

CC @Ginger once they're back tomorrow

user

When Snowpaw back

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01:39

Whenever ginger gets everything moved over ig

user

Snowpaw's absence has made me very sad

Now I have no one to take my anger out on

I should get a puppy so I can kick it whenever I'm angry/bored/whatever

(for legal reasons that's a joke)

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02:33

you know maybe when my first laptop that i mostly used as a desktop got a hideously bloated battery, maybe i should have not done that with my next laptop

Bbrk24

02:45

Okay so here's a question I've been thinking about: whether to tell my coworkers about my pronouns, and if so, how

user

Depends on the culture at your company/city ig

@UnrelatedString Can't you just replace it?

Bbrk24

@user Well neopronouns makes it inherently harder

user

:(

You can't change people, I guess, I'd just go with whatever you want (xe?) unless the people at the company are very likely to frown upon neopronouns

(I've never had a job and I barely ever interact with people so please take that with a kg of salt)

Bbrk24

They accepted my name without questioning it despite it being pretty unrelated to my legal name
but they still assumed I use he/him

user

@Bbrk24 If they don't like you using neopronouns, you might want to ask yourself if you can survive staying there for a long time

@Bbrk24 I mean that doesn't mean they won't respect your pronouns if you tell them

Bbrk24

02:53

Then the next question is, how do I tell them?

user

I'm sure Workplace.SE has a similar question

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how attached are you to specifically the neopronouns
because if you're at least more comfortable with they/them than with he/him then that might be a "safer" option

Bbrk24

yeah that was brought up when I mentioned this elsewhere let me copy/paste my response

> no, I know from experience that depending on the day it can still feel wrong
I will reïterate that he/him, she/her and they/them are not necessarily wrong for me, but my preference varies day to day. xe/xem is always okay, but the others aren’t.

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interesting

user

Wait so they/them doesn't work for everyone?

I thought they/them was safe to use for whoever

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03:02

yeah i'd think it would be intrinsically neutral

Bbrk24

> nah, unfortunately not for me. It often feels impersonal for that exact reason: you’re just using it as the default; it feels like you don’t actually know my pronouns.

user

Ah

So they/them is safe to use for people whose pronouns you don't know

Gonna be honest, sometimes I use he or she for people without having confirmation because they get confused when I say they and odds are I guessed correctly

This will definitely never cause any issues

lyxal

@Bbrk24 why the hell did you use ï for reiterate?

Goofy two dot i

user

Huh how'd you notice that

So tiny

lyxal

@user I was thinking "is that a smudge on my phone screen?"

And then scrolled the page and the dots moved

user

03:07

Oh I guess it's easier to see on a phone

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lmao

in my current roulette font it looks like an i with a macron

Akaya Kanadaka

lyxal

@UnrelatedString looks like a goofy ahh t

user

Wait I think I didn't notice simply because my eyes have gotten worse

Nope, can't see it easily with my glasses either

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nice

user

Or maybe I just need new glasses lol

Bbrk24

03:10

@lyxal because it’s a separate syllable from the preceding vowel. Same thing with coöperate and less commonly reëlect (though I might just hyphenate that one instead)

user

Anyone here wear contacts? How painful is it?

@Bbrk24 Isn't re-elect the British English version?

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i hear it's just uncomfortable to think about the first few times

Bbrk24

@user I tried and couldn’t, but it depends from person to person

user

Cool cool

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might be painful if there's some salinity issue though

Bbrk24

03:11

@user sometimes the american spelling is blatantly wrong (e.g. “judgment”)

user

I'm mostly just scared whenever I see someone stretching open their eyelid to put a thing right on their eye

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^

user

@Bbrk24 :(

I miss Indian English

Bbrk24

Relatedly, I am due for new glasses this month

user

Nice

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03:12

i've been due for new glasses for like three years

user

(or not nice, if your eyesight's deteriorated)

lyxal

Mine are due in -2 months

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big

lyxal

no they're pretty normal sized

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~~unfortunate~~

Bbrk24

03:13

You’re supposed to get an eye exam annually if you wear glasses and once every five years if you don’t

user

imma get ginormous round glasses to look as nerdy as possible

Crap I've been driving without glasses all this time

They did check my eyesight a couple years ago but it's definitely gotten worse since then

Bbrk24

I literally cannot focus a foot away from my face without glasses

user

I hope I didn't accidentally kill too many people

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same

Bbrk24

if I hold my hand 11 inches from my good eye, I can focus on the middle of it but not the fingertips

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03:14

if i squint really hard i can read chat from a foot away without glasses

user

@Bbrk24 Why do you need glasses to focus your feet? You should be able to move your feet with your eyes closed

3

Bbrk24

(yes I got a ruler and measured)

@UnrelatedString I can only read chat within 9”

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damn

user

@Bbrk24 Is it worth it getting laser surgery at that point?

Bbrk24

not sure I can afford it + I’m fine with wearing glasses

user

03:16

Surgery does seem very scary too

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glasses look cool and don't come with a small chance of lifelong uncurable agony

user

Even if there's only a very tiny chance of you losing your remaining vision

Bbrk24

the only surgery I’ve ever had was to get my wisdom teeth out

user

@UnrelatedString Not all glasses look cool

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i don't think i've ever had surgery period

user

03:17

Me too

lyxal

@UnrelatedString same

Bbrk24

ERRORS: HAIR JAM. COLOR-SAFE CONDITIONER CARTRIDGE RUNNING LOW. LEGAL-SIZE HAIR TRAY EMPTY, USING LETTER-SIZE HAIR ONLY.

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i've been putting off this minor surgery to have this cyst taken out of my arm longer than i've been putting off new glasses :P

user

One of my worst nightmares is getting surgery, having the paralyzing thing kick in but not the pain-removing or going-to-sleep thing so you're screaming internally but can't tell the doctor

lyxal

@UnrelatedString my prescription is pretty close to normal vision (with prisms), so mine are mostly for aesthetics

Bbrk24

03:19

In marching band I once passed out from heat stroke. When they put me to sleep for the surgery it felt exactly the same

user

@Bbrk24 Heh, the "I don't need glasses anymore" could also be interpreted another way

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with prisms?

lyxal

@UnrelatedString prisms. They make the light go bendy bendy away from one part of the eye to another

user

@lyxal Do your glasses have cat ears on them?

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@user yeah that could have also been the review in the next cell to the right :P

user

03:19

@lyxal Do you have astigmatism?

lyxal

@user hell no.

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@lyxal ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Bbrk24

@UnrelatedString the distance vision is the same but there’s some distortion

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how is that a not glasses thing

lyxal

@UnrelatedString visiondirect.com.au/optical-centre/prescription/prism-glasses

user

03:20

Aaahhh

lyxal

@user no

Bbrk24

I know someone irl who has the same strength prescription as me but different prism

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oh so prisms are just a weird part of your otherwise tame prescription

user

I wanna make a stig ma joke but can't think of a good way to present it

lyxal

yea

Bbrk24

03:20

so it’s very disorienting to wear their glasses

user

"What's astigmatism?" "Stig ma tism in your mouth" perhaps?

lyxal

@UnrelatedString I think it's (+0.something or 1.something, 0)

Bbrk24

because most people I know with glasses don’t have nearly as strong prescription

I’m somewhere in the ballpark of -5 or -6

lyxal

my previous ones were (+0.5, -3.5) iirc

I forgor

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@user they don't sell replacements automatically and it's a pain in the ass to get the right screwdrivers so whether or not it turns out i bought the extended care thing i'll probably have to phyisically send the whole laptop in for repairs

user

03:22

I think I have -1.0, -1.25 or something

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how do you even find these numbers

user

Well first you need to put on glasses, then you read them :P

lyxal

The glasses person

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i know i got a prescription sheet from my eye exam like a month ago but

lyxal

you go to the glasses person, say "1" or "2" a few times and then walk out with 2 numbers

user

03:23

It should say Cylinder and Axis or something, there'll be some numbers there

@lyxal I hate choosing

The optometrist last time made me choose between 3 and I just could not decide

lyxal

3???

user

ye

lyxal

2 is bad enough

user

ikr they should just give you one choice automatically gotten from ChatGPT and send you on your way

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my sheet has four numbers on it

or six?

lyxal

03:26

@user the difficulty spike is already bad enough after the first few rounds

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six

lyxal

no need to make it harder

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od -4.00 -0.25x090, os -3.75 -0.50x180

@user yikes

user

I guess the -4, -3.75 is what you have

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makes sense

lyxal

03:27

@user yikes

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are the d and s for right and left then through some romance language

/latin

okay yeah it's latin

user

TIL

lyxal

direction="left" and side="right"

that's what the d and s stand for

Bbrk24

@UnrelatedString If I had to guess, the other numbers might relate to prism? like -0.25 prism at an angle of 90°

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that would make sense

lyxal

03:32

mfer really has 180 rotated prisms

Bbrk24

also I just got a song stuck in my head from a show I watched like 16 years ago

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nice

Bbrk24

youtu.be/meh2An-QEzE it’s from a kids show and is annoyingly repetitive, don’t say I didn’t warn you

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not nice

lyxal

:o the wiggles!

It

has been a hot minute since I watched them

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03:36

yeah i vaguely remember having probably heard it well enough to not want to start the video lmao

same

lyxal

not unironically since i was younger

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not at all since i was younger

lyxal

@Bbrk24 australian music be like that

Elmo losing his sh*t over a rock

►

frick you rocko

Bbrk24

I’ve seen that one

@user Surprisingly not that I could find: workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=neopronouns

Aiden Chow

wats neopronouns

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03:47

@Joe...didn't see that coming. — moscafj 11 hours ago

@Bbrk24 weird

Bbrk24

@AidenChow ~~take a guess~~

yep it’s literally “new pronouns” for a reason

modern inventions like xe/xem and ze/zir

I might post a question tomorrow but I’m going to bed now

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o/

Aiden Chow

@Bbrk24 neo is new?? i thought neo was like bright colors or smth like that

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you're thinking neon

which is the same root because it was a newly discovered gas or whatever at the time

Aiden Chow

@Bbrk24 tf is this?????

those r not pronouns right, no way those are real...

@UnrelatedString oh ye obviously lol

ok seriously da hell wants to be called xe or xem like tf that even mean thats woke as shit

like how r u gonna even pronounce that

Bbrk24

04:06

I

Aiden Chow

xe??? xem??? ze???? zir??????? im straight up gonna say xylophone zebra like bro thats some straight up nonsense right there

Bbrk24

you aren’t serious I hope

Aiden Chow

@Bbrk24 wat part im not serious about??????

Bbrk24

(I am autistic and tired so if you’re being facetious you need to say that) (If you are being serious I may have to get mods involved)

@AidenChow yes it is, en.pronouns.page/xe , this is the pronoun set I use

Aiden Chow

@Bbrk24 wat why mods need to be involved ???

Bbrk24

04:12

Again I may be misreading the tone so I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here but this comes across incredibly disrespectful

Aiden Chow

????

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it would be in pretty bad taste even if it was a joke

Bbrk24

~~okay so I’m not crazy~~

Aiden Chow

joke ??? errr wat now

did i say smth wrong??????

lyxal

@AidenChow neopronouns aren't made up, but having said that, it may seem so to someone who hasn't seen them before

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04:19

you know how sometimes you're, like, extremely out of the loop

this is one of those times

Aiden Chow

@lyxal bro idk whose idea it was to put an x and z in the pronouns but its certainly quite confusing....

@UnrelatedString yea i dont really watch the news all too often... so its like a recent trend??

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not particularly

lyxal

@AidenChow think algebra

And substitute preference for x

Aiden Chow

@lyxal ok how is pronouns related in any way to algebra now, algebra is math?

lyxal

@AidenChow no no I mean like how x is a variable in math

x can be any value

Applying that to pronouns you have xe = any value of x + the letter e

Aiden Chow

04:28

what, thats how they make these pronouns? they be like, damn not enough pronouns lets make more cuz why not, in fact everyone can interpret the pronoun any which way they want to, its exactly like algebraic substitution x y z, yay for everyone

user

lyxal is trolling

Please look this up and read an actual article instead of listening to lyxal so you don't embarrass yourself saying neopronouns are algebra

I apologize on lyxal's behalf

in The Nineteenth Byte, Jul 29, 2021 at 20:46, by user

I wish pronouns didn't carry gender and there was a single person pronoun less ambiguous than "they"

ASL seems to have the same action for his/her/theirs and its

Even Esperanto has pronouns because it's somewhat old

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doesn't basically every non-ie language have non-gendered pronouns

except ie-based ials yeah

user

ie?

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indo-european

user

Indo-European?

Ninja'd :|

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04:36

~~fuck gendered third-person pronouns, it's time for gendered first-person pronouns~~

user

@UnrelatedString TIL, this is nice

@UnrelatedString AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Third person gendered pronouns and verbs that agree with gender are bad enough

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oh fun fact, written chinese can opt in to gendered third person pronouns because for some reason somone thought stealing that from english or portuguese was a good idea

user

lol

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@user it really is a japanese moment

user

So it's a "new" feature?

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04:37

ye

user

@UnrelatedString Oh Japanese does that?

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString like 他 and 她? was that not always a thing in chinese?

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it's not like, strongly gendered
but gender at least affects the circumstances under which you use which first person pronoun

@AidenChow afaik it wasn't no

user

Interesting

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yep supposedly it's this guy's fault

Liu Bannong

Liu Bannong (traditional Chinese: 劉半農; simplified Chinese: 刘半农; May 29, 1891 – July 14, 1934) or Liu Fu (劉復; 刘复) was a Chinese poet and linguist. He was a leader in the May Fourth Movement. He made great contributions to modern Chinese literature, phonology and photography. == Life == A son of the educator Liu Baoshan, Liu Bannong was born in Jiangyin, Jiangsu Province, China. In 1912, he moved to Shanghai and in 1916, his work debuted in New Youth, the most influential journal of the May Fourth New Culture Movement. His essay “My Views on the Change of Written Chinese,” published in the May 1917...

Aiden Chow

04:41

@UnrelatedString so it was just 他 then? that would make sense, it has non gender 单人旁

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yep

Aiden Chow

@user like what article??

@UnrelatedString lol the guys entire literary achievements is coining 她

like pretty much nothing else

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lol

Aiden Chow

and damn, 1917, thats hella recent too, in the context of entire chinese history

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yeah

i was thinking it would be like 1800s at the latest

user

04:48

@AidenChow Literally anything except lyxal

(no offense lyxal)

Y'all I need some help

Aiden Chow

@user so i just search up what is neopronoun and click the first article i see?

user

I was mildly delirious a few hours ago and managed to type up what is not entirely unlike a sci-fi story. Problem is, it's part of a serious assignment, and the "story" is a single sentence that takes up an entire page. Should I leave it at is or should i remove it?

@AidenChow Yeah (unless it's an ad ig)

My brain says I should remove it but my heart says no

Aiden Chow

yo copy paste it over here lets see it :P

user

pastebin.com/WdyVGnyQ (does that link work?)

Aiden Chow

@user lemme see what chatgpt says first, as everyone knows chatgpt is a 100% reliable source with no flaws whatsoever

is there a paragraph before or does it start like that?

user

04:53

Yeah there's some stuff before but it's specific to the assignment and not relevant to this

It's funny only because it's an absurd heap of words I vomited out of my brain, not because it's witty

But sometimes you get attached to your vomit

Aiden Chow

@user ok idk if i have ever gotten attached to anyones vomit ngl

user

Good point

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@user it's beautiful

Aiden Chow

ok what did i just read

user

I'm assuming only the TA will read it and the rest of the assignment does satisfy all the criteria, but part of the rubric is "Writing and grammar"

@UnrelatedString :)

I feel valid

Aiden Chow

04:56

writing is great

i like cheese too

user

Grammar not so much. I almost certainly have messed up the commas

Cheese is one of the few things keeping me from going vegan

Aiden Chow

grammar probably not so much cuz its run on, maybe u can argue its actually a stream of consciousness or smth like that and pass it by as legit lmfao

bruh the whole thing is two sentences i just realized

user

Ooh (to the stream of consciousness)

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