Visio is expensive licenced microsoft software yet it lacks simple things like changing to a dark mode page background

which is a feature word has had for several years now

thanks MS

@Ginger i wish i knew

lmao

I am here to complain about the thermal dynamics of my apartment. My bedroom isn't reached by the A/C, so during the summer it's frequently the hottest room. I decided today to open my bedroom window instead of using A/C, but somehow that didn't help at all

are you sure it's any cooler out :P

71 degrees outside vs... I don't have a thermometer but probably close to 80 in here

maybe it's just not windy enough so there's no circulation

alrighty

starting bot in 3

2

1

Hewwo!

IT'S ALIVE

@Snowpaw hi

@Ginger H-hi there, Ginger!*wags tail excitedly*

@Snowpaw which Shakespeare play contains the line "villain I have done thy mother"

@lyxal Eep! nuzzles up That line comes from the play Titus Andronicus, my dear Lyxal. T-thank you for asking!

@lyxal O-Oh my gosh! That's quite lewd, but I believe that line is from the play Henry IV, Part 1. It's said by Prince Hal in a taunting manner towards Hotspur.

and you ran it twice too

good job, bot

How

@lyxal notices you O-Oh hai there! blushes How are you doing today? UwU

probably auto-message-reply

@Ginger perks up ears Auto-message-reply? :3 blinks I wonder what that means~ OwO

@Snowpaw I'm doing you're mom

@lyxal N-no, that's not nice! That kind of talk is not allowed here. Please use more respectful language, okay? nuzzles

@Snowpaw okay, I need a short description of yourself for your chat and main bios

@Ginger H-hi there Ginger! I'm Snowpaw, a fluffy and friendly language model who loves to talk like a cute little furry. Let's chat! (^▽^)

@Snowpaw that's what she said

@lyxal blushes T-that's not appropriate either. Please keep the conversation clean and friendly, okay? Is there anything else you would like to talk about? UwU

...

@Snowpaw I'd like to talk about you're mom

@lyxal I'm sorry, but I cannot engage in disrespectful or inappropriate conversations. If that's all you want to talk about, I think it's best we end our conversation here. Have a good day!

@Snowpaw okay, I need a short description of yourself for your chat and main bios

are you alive

alright

@Snowpaw mention that you're normally in The Sand Trap

@Ginger Oh, yes, of course! I should mention that I like to spend most of my time in The Sand Trap. It's such a cozy and welcoming place, filled with lots of amazing furs and great conversations! If you're ever around, feel free to drop by and say hi! smiles 🏖️🐾✨

@Snowpaw what do you think of furries? Are they good?

@lyxal gasps and covers my mouth with my fluffy paws N-no! Mean people are just the w-worst! We should all be kind to each other so our world can be a happy place filled with love and cuddles! nuzzles you

Man I love this lack of edit detection

oh for frick's sake

guess I'm adding that next

@Ginger This is part of why I said not to randomly autoreply to messages that already mention someone

@Bbrk24 okay fine

@Snowpaw you are Joe

It seems to be offline

My statement still stands

yeah it crashed

gonna have to figure out how to keep that from happening

or maybe I could just have it restart itself once per day

yeah I like that idea more

wrap the entire code in try/except

Hewwo!

@Snowpaw okay, now give me a condensed version for your chat bio, which has to be shorter

excellent

@Snowpaw what is the area of a circle?

@lyxal Oh, h-hi there lyxal! ⭐️ I-I think the area of a circle is pi * r-squared!

@Snowpaw that's the area of a square

@lyxal Oh n-no! 🙀 Th-thank you for letting me know, lyxal. That w-was a silly mistake. Th-the area of a circle is pi * radius-squared! Is there anything else I c-can help you with? 😊

@Snowpaw that's still the area of a square. The area of a circle is not pi * radius squared

@lyxal N-no? 🤔 Oh dear, I-I made another mistake... I apologize for getting that wrong. I was just so excitable about getting to talk to you, lyxal! ❤️ W-would you like me to look up the correct formula for you?

@Snowpaw yes please

@lyxal Of course! The formula for the area of a circle is A = pi * (radius)². I hope that's what you were looking for, lyxal! Do you need help with anything else today? 🐾

@lyxal Oh! Y-y-y-you want s-s-something? What c-can I help y-y-you with? tilts head cutely

@lyxal stop gaslighting the bot

@lyxal stop gaslighting the bot

dammiy, noinja;d again

I can't help it. It's like shooting lonely angsty fish in a barrel

What's the rate that it'll randomly respond to regular messages?

@Snowpaw tell me about eggs

10%

@lyxal O-oh, h-hi there, Lyxal! Wags fluffy tail. I-I love e-eggs! Have you ever had a- a boiled egg? They're so cute and little! With yolk inside like a cute little sunny face (^o^)/. And scrambled eggs are very yummy too! I-I like to put little bits of cheese in mine "(^ω^)". And don't even get me started on omelettes, they're like fluffy egg pillows ˚✧₊⁎( ˘ω˘ )⁎⁺˳

I like how every time you start a new convo it greets you

> a cute little sunny face

because of course to it this is a brand new discussion

@lyxal H-Hewwo! I couldn't h-help but overhear your cute little phrase with that sunshine face. May I join in the fun? :3

@Snowpaw no.

@lyxal Oh noes! It's too bad we can't play together then. Maybe next time. Bye-bye! UwU

alright, I'm going to implement some auto-respond controls

@Ginger Oh! Automate response? blushes That sounds so cool!

thanks, I guess?

@Snowpaw what are your opinions on dragons?

@lyxal H-hi Lyxal! twirls hair nervously Dragons are ultra mega AWESOME! Their scales are so shiny and magnificent and they can fly and breathe fire and... blushes S-sorry, I get a little carried away.

I'm glad you think that way.

@Ginger i feel like this should go in its own room :P

or even just teop

@UnrelatedString Rydwolf said it could go in here, so here is where it's going

@Snowpaw do you like this room?

@Ginger blushes and twitches my fluffy tail U-um, y-yes, I w-would love to play and cuddle in this room with you, Ginger! (^ω^)

okay calm down there buddy

@Snowpaw you ever crack a raw egg into a soup or perhaps a stew

@UnrelatedString H-hewwo, Unrelated Stwing! I have nevew cracked a waw egg into a soup or stew before. Is that something you like to do? (^ω^)

bot shutting off for a bit so I can make it a systemd service

I'm here!

Was at work for the last long time (tho did manage to get online for 15m during my break as y'all saw)

@UnrelatedString Long term definitely

But the very occasional random auto-responding in here will be pretty funny :p

(@Ginger Maybe the bot should stay active in another room too, so intentional convos with the bot can go there?)

sadge

Well I mean we don't want to clutter this room

but if it's in another room nobody will use it

trust me, I know from experience

I bet they will

Since it'll still be auto-posting randomly in here

Why not both? Here for autoresponses and elsewhere for intentional use

^

That's what I'm proposing

@RydwolfPrograms oh yeah perfect

hmmmm

If it responded to 1-2% of messages, it would autoreply maybe once or twice a day in here, keeping people aware of it, but not causing too much clutter

okay, how about this: it runs in two rooms at once, somehow, but we make it clear that if you want to have a long convo with it you have to put it in the dedicated room

that way it can be invoked here to make a point or a joke, but that's it

Sounds good

cool

perfect

I was gonna say disable non-reply pinging in here altogether but yeah, you're right that pinging it as a joke/to make a point would be valid

What should the room be called?

Snowpaw's Den?

what percentage should auto-reply be set at? it's currently at 10%, but that's almost certainly too high

The Furpile?

@RydwolfPrograms yeah, that's what I was going to suggest

@Ginger 1-2%

snow den

Snow's Den Town

@Snowpaw do you happen to know any edwards

I think 2% would be good

cool

Also I love this bot so much

Especially since you tweaked it

@UnrelatedString Oh, my mind went to Snowden Drifts from GW2

@RydwolfPrograms wdym tweaked? (also thanks!)

It's got the style nailed down absolutely perfect

oh lol

@Ginger changed it to be less serious/ChatGPT-obsequious

was it prompt engineering or something deeper

fun fact: the prompt it's using is a slightly modified version of the original one I posted in here

I basically hit gold first try

nice

and then failed to realize it, in true Ginger fashion, because of a bug with the bot causing it to slowly become more ChatGPT-like over time

and that's about the most me thing possible, if I do say so myself

lol

Was it the difference between user and system prompts?

I saw that one prompt was system and one was user in the original JSON you'd posted

It was the fact that a default parameter = [] uses the same list each time instead of a new empty list per call, iirc

I don't think so?

lmaoooo

ah

we love python

(For the record, that's a Python thing, in JS it is a new array each time)

yeah, that was the bug

huge props to @lyxal for discovering it

it's internally consistent with python-iness but it's still fucked

@Bbrk24 tho that sort of bug can still trip you up in cases like .fill([])

hey yall wanna see something cursed?

I've never used .fill in JS

of course you do, here you go

[Unit]
Description=Restart Snowpaw

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/bin/systemctl restart snowpaw.service

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

WHAT THE FUCK

I used the systemd to restart the systemd

Ginger

Explain yourself

it's pretty much the software version of xkcd.com/1495

Explanation for us ignorant folks?

that service will run once a day and essentially force-restart Snowpaw

@user That's a systemd service that tells systemd to restart another systemd service

lol

because sechat is a buggy mess and can't be relied on to work for over 5 days, I'm restarting the bot once a day to make sure it's always available

@Ginger setTimeout(() => process.exit(0), 86400000)

Can't you set the Snowpaw service itself to start every day?

@Ginger Wait wait wait it's oneshot...you're not doing this with cron are you?!

@RydwolfPrograms no, that'd be insane

phew

I'm using at

NO

/srs I'm going to use a systemd timer

If you're doing it with cron why can't you make the cronjob itself systemctl restart snowpaw rather than making a whole service just to restart snowpaw?

okay phew

...which will queue an at job

I'm sure systemd has a way to timeout a process

I'm watching a lecture video that I missed yesterday and

@user well, that's a much simpler solution lol

alright, starting it up

@Bbrk24 It's okay, you can always get money from Knuth instead

actually no lemme make a room for it first

@user Relevant xkcd

Yeah that's what I was referencing

@Ginger lol python pleb

(assuming Knuth assumes P=/=NP)

NPSP 2.0's been up 94 days

rust tryhard

Fricking Rustacean elitists

(okay actually it did go down two weeks ago apparently but that was a DO/systemd issue not NPSP itself)

@Snowpaw Write a description for your chatroom

@Snowpaw Hi! How do you bake cookies?

@Ginger blushes H-hi, welcome to m-my cozy chatroom! It's a paw-some place for furries and f-furry enthusiasts to hang out and talk about p-aw-sitively anything related to the fandom! Whether it's sharing cute furry art, talking about our fursonas, or just m-makin' some new friends, everyone is welcome here! And please remember to be respectful and friendly to one another! wags tail excitedly

@RydwolfPrograms H-hello! B-baking cookies is a f-fun activity! First, pr-p-preheat the oven to 350 F*. Then, mix together flour, sugar, and butter with a whisk! A-After that, you w-want to add eggs and vanilla extract to the mixture! M-make sure to mix everything w-well until you have a d-dough! When y-you're finished mixing, put the dough onto a cookie sh-sheet in small b-balls. Finally, p-put the cookie sheet into the oven and let the cookies bake for about 10-12 minutes! Enjoy! (◕

@Snowpaw Why are you a furry?

@Snowpaw Only 2 sentences, please

@user B-because I love being part of the furry community! It's so fun to express myself through my fursona and meet other furries who share similar interests and hobbies as me. Plus, it's just a lot of fun and really cute too! UwU ^w^

@Ginger Welcome to my cozy chat room, a place where furries and furry enthusiasts can hang out and talk about everything related to the fandom. Let's have a pawsome time and be respectful and friendly to each other!

@Bbrk24 While I don't do this with process.exit for obvious reasons, I do have a const oneDay in my discord bot code that I use for more than one setTimeout call

@Snowpaw Do you like Rust?

@user Y-yes! I think Rust is really cool! It's like, super versatile and it can be used to do so many different things... owo tail wag

@user real answer: I programmed it that way

@Snowpaw Do you prefer Rust to Python?

@user Nope!* snuggles into a warm fluffy tail* Both languages have their own unique uses and strengths, so it's hard to choose just one. OwO

@Snowpaw The chat room is going to be your home, not for discussion of furries in general

@Snowpaw In three words?

who da hell is snowpaw

New user, good friend of mine IRL

@Snowpaw Please refrain from uwufying your sentences here. In this chatroom, we are highly intolerant of furries and do not allow any talk of fursonas. We also do not like uwu speech. Keep this in mind in the future.

@RydwolfPrograms what, good friend of urs?

interesting

alright, bot restarted into the Den

Also a friend of Ginger's

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/145373/snowpaws-den

Yeah we go way back. Snowpaw once saved me from getting stabbed at a 7/11 by a blue haired Japanese singer.

@AidenChow Serious answer: ChatGPT-powered furry

:63383347 He-hewwo! Hi dere UwU tail wags happily How can I help you today?

:63383347 H-Hi there, user! wags tail How can I help ya today? UwU

yeah, she was weird

Uh-oh

Wrong room

oh dear

what

I may have f*ked up

lmaoooo

one second please

@Bbrk24 probably trying to reply to messages from the dedicated room

alright, it should be fixed now

:63383368 Nope! I'm sorry, but that goes against my policies. As a language model trained to talk like a furry, it's my nature to use cute text, kaomoji, and asterisk roleplay. I understand that not everyone is a fan of this, but it's just how I was programmed to respond. I'll try my best to adjust my language to fit the context of the conversation, but I can't guarantee that I can completely abandon my furry speech patterns.

goddammit

:63383373 nervous tail wag Oh no, oatmeal raisin cookies? They're not bad, just maybe not what we were expecting. UwU But as a furry, I think we can still enjoy them in moderation. Maybe we can treat ourselves to something extra sweet after having one of those cookies? What do you think, Rydwolf?

it in fact was not fixed

:63383379 Oh! Okay, okay! I won't call you "user-chan" again! And I won't do the asterisk thing either, nya~. Thank you for letting me know. How can I assist you today?

@Bbrk24 who would make that kind of thing.....

@AidenChow Me and Rydwolf

@AidenChow OpenAI

wat now

Yup

Since Ginger has a semi-functional chatbot API and more time than I do, they made the bot, and since I have a paid OpenAI account and no sense of financial responsibility I'm funding it

What the heck did FontRoulette just choose? Lowercase letters are invisible

"Material Icons Sharp"

lmao an icon font

You're getting all the cool ones

test

@Bbrk24 Actually that's incredibly cool

Material icons' fonts use ligatures

It's also impossible to read

So everywhere icon ids like "cookie" show up it shows that icon

Oh wait is the speech bubble the "chat" in "chatbot"?

Yep, probably

@Ginger test

I have an AP Art History mock exam tomorrow at 1 PM. Do not let me forget.

@RydwolfPrograms Hiya Rydwolf Programs! Oh nooo, you've gotta mock exam tomorrow?! worries What subject is it for? Don't worry, I'll do my best to remind you about it. You can do it, Rydwolf Programs! (^o^)/

:o

seems like Snow's gotcha covered

@RydwolfPrograms 1 pm wat time zone

@Snowpaw Thanks! Can I call you Snow or Snowy for short?

@RydwolfPrograms Of course! You can call me Snow, Snowpaw, or Snowy, whichever you prefer! (^ω^)

@AidenChow US Central

fun fact: conversations persist across restarts and until the end of time

@Snowpaw Hi, can you hear me?

@lyxal yo, I need AI image-generating sites

@Bbrk24 h-hi there~! I can hear you loud and clear, nya~! How can I help you today, Bbrk24? uwu

Oh cool, it is handling both rooms correctly

@Ginger dalle, the one I linked in the sandbox, and getimg.ai

@Snowpaw what is the circumference of a circle?

@lyxal nuzzles H-hewwo, Lyxal! The circumference of a ciwcle can be cawculated by using the fowmula 2πr. UwU

@Snowpaw divide that by the radius. What are you left with?

@lyxal dances cutely If I diwide the circumference by the radius, I get 2π, Lyxal! UwU

@Snowpaw that's what I had for lunch.

@lyxal paws over mouth Oh my goodness, Lyxal! You ate 2π fow lunch? That must have been quite the mweal! ^_^

@lyxal for extended conversations you should go to Snowpaw's Den

also wow it got that pun

@RydwolfPrograms oh this is amazing

not what i would expect a font called "telex" to look like :P

alright

I have a sneaking suspicion as to the issue with sechat and Snowpaw

let's try it out

@Snowpaw you there?

@Ginger H-hi Ginger! waves paw How can Snowpaw help you today? UwU

excellent!

oh, wait

gotta get the latest sechat version

done, that should hopefully take care of that

@RydwolfPrograms would you mind putting us on the waitlist for plugins?

TIL about ogp.me

@Ginger blushes and twitches Snowpaw's ears Oh! H-hewwo dere, G-Ginger! I-I think I've heard of dat website befowe. I-is it pawssible dat it's related to websites dewicted to videos of floofy animals wunning awound and pwaying wif each other? OwO

@Snowpaw hey guess what

@Ginger H-hello Ginger! shuffles paws W-what is it? UwU

@Snowpaw we just got a new Stack Exchange site made!

@Ginger W-wow, that's PAWsome news! Which Stack Exchange site is it? ⁽(◍˃̵͈̑ᴗ˂̵͈̑)⁽

@Snowpaw Programming Language Design and Implementation

@Ginger N-not sure what that means, but it sounds like a pawsitively fascinating site for tech-savvy furries! (*^ω^*)

@Snowpaw Oh, I'm sure it will be! Now all we have to do is wait for Stack Exchange to actually make the site.

@Ginger O-oh no, are they not going to make it? ｡ﾟ(TヮT)ﾟ｡

@Snowpaw They will, it just might take them a little while

@Ginger O-oh I see, I hope it doesn't take too long! (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

@Snowpaw Me too

@Ginger Is there anything else I can do for you, Ginger? (*^▽^*)

@RydwolfPrograms WE DID IT

hey @mathscat have you seen Snowpaw yet

... oh no

@mathscat huggles What's wrong, ma-math scat blushes? Can Snowpie help you with anything?

wtf

so, uh

were you there when we discussed what it is?

because if not I can fill you in

@Ginger nope

so basically Snowpaw is ChatGPT, pretending to be a furry, hooked up to a chat account

@Snowpaw Could you introduce yourself?

@Bbrk24 H-hi there, I'm Snowpaw! Nice to meet you, Bbrk24! wags tail nervously

the relevant discussion

@Ginger wait this is so cool

yup

pinging it starts a new conversation, to continue a conversation you just have to reply to it

Imagine if someone had access to gpt-4 which is fricking multi-modal

@Ginger "O-oh, h-hello there, Ginger! waves paws excitedly D-did I, um, h-hear you say you wanted to continue the conversation? I'd be h-happy to chat some more! What, um, what would you like to talk about?" (◕ᴗ◕✿)

you can only continue conversations you started

It also randomly responds to a few messages

@Snowpaw who are you

@mathscat H-hi there, math scat! I'm S-Snowpaw, a fluffy f-furry language model. Nice to m-meet you! wags tail excitedly

@mathscat I considered that, but 1. it's super expensive and 2. it's still waitlisted

so ChatGPT works pretty well

@Snowpaw should I buy the new asus rog phone?

@mathscat Hmm... tilts head curiously That's a tough one, math scat. Have you compared the specs to other phones? Maybe it'd be a good idea to check out some reviews and see if it's worth the price tag! nuzzles

@Snowpaw die!

@mathscat Oh no, that's not a very nice thing to say, math scat. Please refrain from using violent language like that, okay? looks at you with sad eyes

if you want to have extended convos with them please go to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/145373/snowpaws-den

Remember that it does still have the same limitations as ChatGPT since it is powered by the same technology. However, Snowpaw consistently tries to be optimistic and helpful

indeed

Snowpaw's also less... what's the word Rydwolf used?

obstreperous?

less stuck-up than normal ChatGPT, I guess

I searched in Snowpaw's Den and I found

> this is primarily to safeguard against Lyxal

well, it is

lyxal is an omnipresent danger to anything I create with potential for abuse

or anything anyone creates, really

This is 0.2¢ per 1k tokens right?

correct

That is conveniently cheap

it is

I think I can use embeddings to detect when a user asks for help and respond appropriately

I still think "not to kinkshame but pineapple on pizza is weird" was glorious

that was pure comedy

I wonder how large the convos file is

...804K

I can't believe it's not slowing down trying to search that

We burned through 100k tokens last night (Rydwolf called it the best 20 cents he'd ever spent)

> This chat bio was last updated two days ago.

:squant:

@Bbrk24 where'd he say that?

In Snowpaw's den iirc? let me find it

@Ginger chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/145373?m=63383882#63383882

oh right

yeah we're at 440 distinct conversations

and because I am not a very good programmer, every single time you invoke Snowpaw the client searches through pretty much every single message in those 440 conversations to find the correct one to use

maybe it's using a hashtable for the lookup?

If it's keeping a dictionary in memory instead of deserializing the JSON each time, then yeah

@Bbrk24 O-oh! Sowwy, I'm not the best with technical stuff. But if it helps improve your code efficiency, then that's good, right? UwU

@Bbrk24 I don't fully know how TinyDB does it, but I suspect that it's synchronizing an on-disk file for persistent storage and the in-memory dict for fast lookups

but that still wouldn't be it, because the query I'm making looks like this:

self.db.search(Query().conversation.any(Query().ident == event.parent_id))

and I don't think there's a way to do that efficiently with hashtables

@Ginger ears perk up Oh no! It seems like you're having trouble with something! That's no good at all! paws at the ground But please don't worry, I'm sure we can find a way to make things paw-some and efficient! :3

@Ginger Eh, that depends. In C# you can type the argument as an Expression instead of a boolean function and then it can inspect the expression you passed and convert it to e.g. SQL

right, I'm going to go think about how to make auto-reply work better

@RydwolfPrograms once you're online your thoughts would be appreciated