If there are fireballs all over the world, even people completely isolated from the rest of humanity would be losing

@DLosc Or become a billionaire and move to the Moon!

@user Where does it say that?

> that certain scientists contend

> came under intensive study by both the American and Soviet scientific communities.

> as hypothesized by researchers

> A number of scientists have disputed the results of the original calculations, and, though such a nuclear war would undoubtedly be devastating, the degree of damage to life on Earth remains controversial.

It's controversial, not necessarily false

It's highly disputed and evidence from comparable events like volcanic eruptions and the recent fires in Australia have been another nail in nuclear winter's coffin

And of course there's bias against nuclear war, so negative results don't necessarily get published or spread as widely

But Snowpiercer has a nuclear winter

@user Yeah, the collapse of the global economy might be the worst effect. Just remember how hard it was to get certain necessities when a large number of people stayed indoors for a few months to avoid COVID.

@RydwolfPrograms I doubt people would make up stuff just because they're biased against nuclear war. There's already tons of reasons not to do it

Not make stuff up no, certainly not

But "nuclear war isn't as bad as we thought" isn't a headline many will voluntarily publish

And scientists might just decide not to look too hard at nuclear winter if they believe it'd do more harm than good to get conclusive data

Forget nuclear winter - I just want normal winter to come

Hmm ok, it does look like people have been finding more and more evidence against it over the years

@lyxal I want normal winter to end :(

@user when you have stupid hot summers, you don't say that :p

I miss winter in India (well, where I lived, at least) - you could wear a thin sweatshirt and shorts and be fine

@lyxal Well I don't have stupid hot summers, which is why I'm saying that

That sounds horrible

Stoopid

@lyxal Horrible how?

I already have to do that for 9 out of 12 months

@lyxal How hot counts as stupid hot?

I like not having stupid hot summers where you can die

@DLosc <90. After that, it's approximately average IQ :P

@DLosc 28-35 c

@user I think intelligent people are hotter :P

@lyxal Dang, that's almost body temperature

@user I actually enjoy long clothes :p

So do I, but I hate being sick

@lyxal Yeah, it's that hot here in the summer. I'm still ready for winter to be over. I like spring.

I like spring here. I can wear sweatpants and a sweatshirt without any discomfort but I also don't have to worry about my hands and nose freezing

Spring is my least favourite season. It's like it can't decide which season it wants to be

Well, spring's different depending on where you are

one day it's winter temperatures and wind, next day it's summer public beta

Oh yeah I hate that lol

it can't make its mind up whether it's Winter LTS or Summer Insiders build

A few days ago, it was ~30 F and windy enough to literally move you while you were walking/biking and then it was up to 70 F

@lyxal Well, it'll never be LTS

Spring is the season that reminds me that things won't stay dead forever. Also, I like variety.

Only in the world of Game of Thrones will winter be LTS

(someday)

Hey look, it's @UnrelatedSpring :D

LTS here being Long Term Support

I know, I meant that LTS usually means it's supported for a few years, which only happens in fantasy worlds

or after a nuclear war

Winter here is a chance to say "thank goodness it's not summer"

and even then it's not cold like what y'all might think winter is

How cold does it get there? Enough to have to wear mittens and stuff?

Not very. I think min temperature gets to 9c only at night

[spits out water]

and there's definitely no snow.

Yeah, okay. That's what I mean by spring.

Snow is overrated

@DLosc now you see why I say I like winter :p

y'all's winter is way different to ours

I was so excited moving to the US because I thought it'd be soft and fluffy and easy to make snowmen with, and instead it's this weird, somewhat hard, material that's really hard to make stuff with

@user I mean, there's lots of different kinds of snow. (But the fluffy stuff isn't easy to make snowmen with.)

The fluffy stuff melts too quickly :(

The one I got was too ice-like

Hmm... maybe I meant powdery rather than fluffy. The kind that happens when it's really cold, so it's not very wet and doesn't stick together well.

CMP: Favorite climate or weather?

cold

@DLosc Ah, I've never seen that kind

@user Hey wait, you changed the question

lol yeah

Just to invalidate lyxal's answer

I've only ever lived in one climate, so while there's stuff I don't necessarily like about it, I'd probably prefer it to most others

@DLosc Better?

Favorite weather: 60-something F (15-20 C), cloudy, humid, and windy

@user still applies

I'd rather cold climate and cold weather

I like it cold enough that you can walk around with a jacket on without sweating and I'm not a huge fan of summer, so probably a climate where it's around 40-60 F all the time. Also, I hate it raining unpredictably, so maybe a climate where it mostly only rains in one season

Not sure if that exists

@DLosc You like it windy? I hate it when a paper or something I put down gets blown away

I guess some wind feels good

@user Sure, it makes it harder to read a book, but that's why I read indoors

Wind makes me feel more alive (unless it's super hot or super cold or blowing rain in my face)

yeah wind is super nice so long as you're not having to actively fight it

I've just switched from 4-finger swipe to change desktop to 3-finger swipe and wow I didn't realise just how nostalgic it feels

really reminds me of my macos days

@user sunny, ~75 F, sorta dry

@user Cool, slightly windy, overcast

More than slightly windy actually

Wind is cool

Closely followed by snow

But I'll have plenty of time to get tired of snow in about 18 months lol

lol

@lyxal for a split second, reading this out of the corner of my eye, i read "macos" as rhyming with "tacos"

polos!

@DLosc Oh hey I didn't read the transcript. Didn't realize we had basically the same thing.

Humid's an odd inclusion, why humid?

reminded me of that

I guess my perception of humidity as something nearly always bad is kinda shaped by living in the climate I do tho

Still undecided whether I want to move out the day I turn 18 or not

@lyxal isn’t 4 fingers for virtual desktops by default and 3 for windows?

Every rational part of me knows it's a bad idea

@user yeah that's why I changed it to be the other way

Oh

The alternative rock radio station where I live is actually pretty good

I've learned about a fair few songs I like through it, and occasionally it plays MCR/Paramore songs which is awesome

Even tho they're pretty popular bands, hearing music from a band you like in a context where you didn't cause it to play is so cool

@RydwolfPrograms (Example: Meant to Live by Switchfoot)

@lyxal lmaooooo

@UnrelatedString and that sent me down a rabbit hole of listening to this:

bUt nOt OUr JiMMy!

that's amazing

he ᵈᵉᶠᵉᶜᵃᵗᵉᵈ through a ｓｕｎｒｏｏｆ

and I saVed him. And I shouldn't have. I toOk him into my OwN FIrM

the worst part is that I can kinda pronounce all the pitch shifts from memory

did i ever send you this

@UnrelatedString hmm I wonder. I wonder if there's any indication in the comments section :p

the resolution is shit for performance reasons but my current computer is beefier so i could totally re-do it in higher quality :P

oh yeah

hmmmmmmmmmmm

ronk

also fyi the effect is just round-trip scaling with liblqr (used through some imagemagick python library)

I might have thought of a way to make a browser game that is purely back-end

As in, no JS, no CSS, not even an HTML page

Just images and browser navigation buttons

ooh

Basically you go to a URL, then paste in a new one, and do that a few times, then hit back until you're halfway through

That gives you the ability to move back and forth, which the server could keep track of as two inputs

Reloading would be the third

You'd only be able to move so far forward/back, and I've thought of a few ways to either work around this, or integrate it into the game

would there be any way to cut out the url pasting with redirects or something

One option for a game would be tetris; you use forward/back to move the things, and tick them with reload

oh yes

@UnrelatedString Not sure. I think browsers tend to only keep track of the final page unless you use redirects through JS

sad

The next one would always need to fall at the same x position as the previous one, but that's not much of a compromise I don't think

yeah

Another idea I had was an open world RPG

Or similar

You'd use reload to toggle between "axes". These would include movement axes, north/south and west/east, but also things like hotbar navigation

One axis would do nothing, and could be used to recenter your position in the history stack

Another axis would map forward and back to item actions

So you could start in the action axis, pick a flower you're standing by with the back button, reload to switch to the N/S axis, walk north to a tree, reload a few times back to the action axis, grab some sticks, and so on

You could also use gifs for animations

Since things couldn't actually move in realtime, you'd want animated textures to keep it feeling lively

If you had an especially fast or predictable network delay, you could even use gif cycles to time actions

E.g., instead of having to reload five times to get from N/S back to action, you'd just wait for "action" to show up in a cycling list of axes, then reload at that instant

worst idea: oh you beat me to it lol

honestly phrased like that though it's not that bad

you could mitigate network delay inconsistency by making the animation slower

Or you could have things like an enemy that attacks you over and over again in real time until you die (I think non-looping gifs are a thing), and when you move/stun it/kill it the server would calculate the damage you took

the angle i was thinking of was "you have to sync your actions to the animation rhythm-game-style" lmaooo

yeah you can have non-looping gifs

...actually you could do all sorts of stuff through gif animation. Anything without RNG actually

you could also just serve videos tbh

E.g. you could calculate 20s of pathfinding, crops growing, and enemies attacking assuming the player performs no action, since the player performing an action allows the server to send a new gif

This is actually a way more capable system than I imagined, aside from the limited inputs

yeah

You'd have to be careful to send the right headers to avoid any sort of caching

I might try to get a proof of concept of this working at some point

A full on video game designed like this would be crazy

You'd probably typically run it localhost which would mitigate a lot of the latency issues

give it, like, retro 3d graphics

The movement would have to be in steps/jumps rather than smooth, but I actually kinda like that

yeah

Tryna think if there's any other inputs I could use

I guess a boring one would be typing text into a get parameter

Maybe for a text adventure game or something

Bookmarking might send a request for the favicon?

Probably browser-dependent tho

typing text into a get parameter is the cheat/debug console :P

Gotta love when typing an algorithm trace takes up 6 pages

After changing the font size to 11, it only takes up 4 pages now

xd

I am so using typst for my next assignments

word isn't really fun for long math stuff, and stuff like LaTeX is way overkill

What happened to the one-pixel game?

Y'all know those Amazon lockers?

Well, they've got single-word codenames, and I think mine might just be the most confusing one they could've picked

ooh ooh does the place it's at have the word wait in its name?

The name of the locker is "wait"

Truly brilliant

yeah but where the locker is located

does that have the word wait in its name?

No

ah

(also yeah I know that doxxes me to within a few miles, deal with it)

there's one near me at a suburb called Glendale (near being "a fair way away because they don't have many in Australia) and it's codename is "Dale"

so I was thinking maybe that's the naming system

but clearly not

If these are just random dictionary words there've gotta be some pretty great ones

"Your package is ready for pickup from Amazon Hub Locker - Tomorrow"

"Your package is ready for pickup from Amazon Hub Locker - Gone"

I don't think they're all random dictionary words

"Your package is ready for pickup from Amazon Hub Locker - Run"

yeah they aren't random dictionary words

at least not random english dictionary words

"Bolas" is not in the english dictionary

yet there's an "Amazon Hub Locker - Bolas"

despite the fact it's in a suburb called Kotara

There're ones near me called "Matt", "Olmo", and "Swiss". I think they're just randomly chosen words, even if they're not from a regular English dictionary

"Swiss" is pretty close to "French", gotta love the

@lyxal i was about to correct you but then i realized the word i'm thinking of is "bolus"

which i have only ever heard spoken

"bolas" is the plural of bola i guess but yeah what the hell

@UnrelatedString bingus, I did a google search for the word "Bolas" before posting to make sure it wasn't in an English dictionary :p

deez bolas

e-bolas

eh? Why does ms word autocorrect a lone epsilon into a capital E?

what is this goofy greek to latin transliteration they've got going on?

oh no Rome's expanding into an empire again

Block off your sewers and put baby nets in your local watershed

did you double check that it's not a capital epsilon

> This is not a serious book, it is simply the author's way of writing comments about our precious environment and why hydrocarbon pipelines are not spiritual enough. There is no information about actually blowing up pipelines, the title is nothing more than clickbait, and there is nothing new nor useful to consider regarding this anti hydrocarbon dribble. Simply a rip off marketing job.

LMAO

because they probably look identical in most fonts

> There is no information about actually blowing up pipelines

unfortunate

Well the book is "How to Blow Up a Pipeline"

@UnrelatedString oml it is

Ε v E

But if they'd actually read a single word of the description they'd know it's not about specifically how to blow up a pipeline

(I like the idea that they like, already had the idea in mind to blow up a pipeline, and were like "yes! this book is exactly what I hoped for!")

lmao

@lyxal fricking unicode homoglyphs fricking me over again

and for completely climate-unrelated reasons too

lmao

why doesn't turkish have separate I and i codepoints to make case swaps locale-independent

TIL damaging property counts as violence

At least, legally

Who uses the word "violence" to refer to destroying property

That's so dumb

one of the documents ever created

@RydwolfPrograms IDK, wind feels nicer that way I think. Maybe it doesn't dry my skin out as much.

I definitely read this at first as "Badgers"

Maybe I should go to bed, lol

@user cold

@RydwolfPrograms iirc it's possible to add arbitrary URLs to a browser's forward/back history

ಠ_ಠ

what has this world become

Bad idea: Butane-powered drone

@Ginger Not butane, but plenty of UAVs are fueled by hydrocarbons

I'm guessing you mean a quadcopter tho lol

I meant a quadcopter :p

Probably surprisingly doable, but "putting fossil fuels in things" isn't exactly the hot trend right now :p

@Ginger Nuts have always existed. Why is this news, though?

@user that's the real question: why that was on Edge's new tab page

(also someone left a bunch of naked and clearly abused LiPO cells in a shopping cart at work)

(probably from a drone)

._.

I was just like "I'm pushing this cart somewhere nice and far from myself"

And these were big lithium ion batteries

Some were all burned and some were pillowed

jesus shit

Very confidence inspiring

I hope you called the EPA :b

EPA doesn't handle that, does it?

Nah they're not much of an environmental risk afaia

Just a "you are now on fire" risk

you misunderstand, I'm talking about the Electrical Pillow Agency

> An adult man's hand weighs about a pound.[7] The hand isn't the fattiest part of the body, but if burned completely, it would probably give off about 500 watt-hours of energy, give or take. That's 50 times the energy content of the phone battery, and almost 10 times that of the Zippo. It's also about as much as a car battery.

h a n d q u a d c o p t e r

Huh, nice

So it is feasible for the robot revolution to involve killing humans for fuel

@lyxal now we know what you're doing with those limbs

I wonder if you could like, break down the limbs using bacteria into a high energy combustible soup

You could just chop them up

Bacteria would probably consume some of the material, wasting it

@user You could bioengineer them tho

hmm

There's a lot of non-flammable stuff in your hand

actually no that wouldn't work

@RydwolfPrograms Hmm, that'd be interesting

wait for it to decompose and burn the resulting gases?

Hi emanresu, don't mind us, just discussing using humans as fuel

For Science!

Those all burn, but if you could extract them and separate out the rest of the materials, you could use those for other purposes and get a cleaner fuel

I have a feeling people wouldn't be happy with using corpse-fueled cars

No way are you powering an engine with human puree

The ash and smoke would clog everything up

it's probably more efficient to use the humans as labor to grow trees or produce something that's more flammable

What are you powering, then?

Well engines, using refined human juice

Thus the bioengineered bacteria

People are still not gonna be happy with their dead relatives being used for that

me and the homies ordering a triple refined human juice at the bar

They take a little share of it, but in exchange, it becomes a lot more powerful

@user who needs morals when you have science

@user Dead? Nah, we take limbs direct from the source

lol

Limb crime

The Limbyoinkers

good band name

There's better sources of chemical energy anyway

The Limby Oinkers

Pigs that steal human limbs?

yep

The Lim B'yoinkers

Animal Farm with mad scientist communist pigs would be fun

cursed_sentence

Alternatively the bacteria could complete cellular respiration and completely decompose the limbs, then use their excess energy to generate hydrocarbon fuels

It's renewable, but lets us keep our existing fossil fuel infrastructure

Sales pitch: we digest humans and then burn them

And we have plenty of fossil fuel investors to chop up and decompose

it's a perfect solution

I wonder what the remaining chunky sludge of inedible human materials would consist of

Obviously bones would be part of it

Some of the calcium and phosphorus might get used up, but most of them would probably stick around

Water would probably build up

Patch notes from an unreleased hardcore version of Satisfactory

Water would definitely build up with the hydrocarbon method

Since cellular respiration produces water

And there'd be no water leaving

and water can be turned into fuel for fusion reactors

And a lot of the limbs would be water already

(I think)

There'd be waste gasses too, probably mostly CO2

So we'd have the world's most cursed carbonated water as a byproduct

Soylent Blue

Okay so in theory the nucleic acids (DNA/RNA) can also be broken down

Looks like some decomposers do that

So we've got all of the macromolecules covered

this is a cursed conversation and I regret starting it

Conclusion: We need empirical data

Any volunteers?

not it

I need both hands to operate the scientific equipment so I can't do it

You could wait until we have the tech to grow meat in vats

Or experiment with monkeys

Oh hang on the CO2 would probably be used by the bacteria to make hydrocarbons

We may even need to pump in extra CO2

Everyone knows animals don't have feelings so it's all right to experiment on mice and monkeys

Actually no, I'd imagine the ratio of C to H is probably fine in a human

And some variation is fine since different hydrocarbons have different ratios

But yeah apparently bacterial synthesis of petroleum is a thing

We have decomposers. We have hydrocarbon synthesizers. We just need to unite them and we can finally achieve the dream of turning fossil fuel billionaires into fossil fuel.

and then we can burn their money

...or we can repurpose it for social good, which is probably better :p

yeah sure or that

Mad science > social good

@RydwolfPrograms soylent go brr

My schoolwork backlog is at 30 assignments and I don't even know where to start

I haven't done a single assignment in a week and a half

And I just got a 0 on an assignment in Physics since it was an in-class participation thing and I didn't realize it was for a grade

And there's no way to redo it so that's gonna seriously hurt

Especially since that class has very few things for grades

And I turned something in late so I got a 70 on that

Currently at an 85, I could do extra credit but this guy totally sucks at writing problems so I probably won't actually get the points, and it takes ages to parse what I'm actually supposed to do for them