The Sand Trap

Unrelated String

00:00

dick's probably weaker just by virtue of having been euphemistic relatively recently

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString Well there's also way more profanity referring to male genitals than female ones, with a range of meanings, none of which tend to be considered nearly as strong

user

You could perhaps use "son of a bitch" and "daughter of a bitch"

Not as offensive to the person, since you're insulting their mothers rather than them directly :P

@RydwolfPrograms Also phrases like "grow a pair"

Where having male genitals is considered a good thing

Rydwolf Programs

And I think historically (Europe-wise) it tends to be way more acceptable to depict or reference male genitals. E.g., how many sculptures and paintings show male genitals, while next to none show female ones

user

How about "homeboi" and "homegirl"?

Rydwolf Programs

With "homie" as a gender neutral term?

user

00:03

idk if homegirl is a word

Rydwolf Programs

I've heard it

user

@RydwolfPrograms Yeah

Only problem is that it suggests a degree of familiarity

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah. "This is the bathroom for my homeboys, this is the one for homegirls" would be problematic

user

You wouldn't say "Hey! Stop my homie in the green jacket! He's running away with my wallet!"

People used to say "guys and gals", didn't they?

Rydwolf Programs

Oooh true

We need to reintroduce "gal"

user

00:07

I don't think we do

You'd like a language where everything has to agree with gender. Then you could pick any word (e.g. "moron") and use the masculine version of that for men and the feminine version of it for women instead of worrying about the right pair of words

Rydwolf Programs

No, I just want a word to refer to females aged 12-18

That's all I ask for

"Girl" is problematic for a number of reasons
"Female" makes you sound like a TikTok alpha male idiot and is overly formal anyway
"Woman" doesn't apply and also sounds too formal

user

Why not describe some other traits of theirs instead? "The person over there with the Nike shoes" or "the person over there with the flamethrower"

You can't determine a stranger's gender immediately anyway

Rydwolf Programs

Because that doesn't work when you're talking about gender

I don't want a pronoun

I want a word for talking about people in a context where gender matters

user

Oh, you specifically want to say that some stranger is a specific gender

Rydwolf Programs

Yes, and typically not even a specific person

Maybe this is something I run into more than most as someone who gets into tons of arguments with transphobes in YouTube comments, but I still need a word meaning that fairly often

user

00:12

The easy thing to do here is to not get into arguments with transphobes, on Youtube or anywhere else

It's unlikely one internet stranger will make them see sense

Rydwolf Programs

That's not necessarily true

Well on its own it is, yes

But having switched sides pretty drastically, having grown up in a super conservative household, I can tell you that one argument can plant some seeds that really stick

Switching sides isn't like, you get in a debate and then realize you're wrong all of a sudden. It takes years of slowly tricking yourself into thinking you were smart enough to change your own mind, and every step of the way needs to be egged on by diffeering opinions

Trying to argue with someone who's 100% sure their twisted idiotic views are right feels pointless, and trust me, it won't come to fruition for a long time. But by planting those slight insecurities, some questions that linger in their subconscious and create cognitive dissonance, that's the first cracks that show up in their fortified wall of bigoted opinions

And with transphobia especially, lack of knowledge is the enemy

Even as someone who's been left leaning for a while, and who would've enthusiastically told you "oh yeah transphobia's bad" throughout, it wasn't until I really started doing my own research and actively seeking out content made about and by trans people that I noticed and could confront biases that I had picked up just from like, existing

The amount of misinformation and just lack of awareness of trans issues is what allows horrible opinions about them to spread so unchallenged

And I think, maybe to a lesser degree, that's happened over and over again with pretty much every marginalized group

Uncle Tom's Cabin is what pushed a lot of people in the North to take an active stance against slavery, for example. Once you get to know "the other", you typically start to realize they're not actually that "other" from you.

lyxal

Completely unrelated, but you know what I hate? How onenote decides to inject where you copied stuff from into your notes

like I just want to copy lecture note text that is relevant, I don't want to know that it's from canvas and that I use a dark theme

Rydwolf Programs

00:28

You can probably disable pasting as HTML

lyxal

It's allegedly "keeping source formatting"

heh I forgot just how term heavy the unified process is

this is like the third time I've had to learn about the SDLC

"Agile this", "Waterfall model that", "Object Oriented everything"

I swear I'm developing a love-hate relationship with the profession I want to work in

@lyxal and if you think I mean the kind of OO you see in Java and similar languages, then you are horribly wrong

this is theoretical OO

which sounds and feels way more wanky than it should be

the dark mode userscript strikes again

not userscript, extension

how the hell is the grass still green but everything else looks like it's straight from someone's nightmares?

user

01:22

@RydwolfPrograms Right, but I think it's unlikely you'll have a new argument they've never seen before. They'd need to meet to a trans person in person before realizing they were being stupid

lyxal

03:18

Mayonnaise on an Escalator official Lyric Video

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PyGamer0

03:34

@lyxal i have seen that atleast thrice

Ginger

12:03

@lyxal MAYONNAISE ON AN ESCALATOR

lyxal

13:15

Steamed Hams but it's not about Steamed Hams at all

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mathcat

13:31

garrychess.com/chess.html

lyxal

Google en passant

Ginger

@lyxal holy hell

mathcat

holy hell

GingerBot

13:52

holy hell

Vyxal Bot

holy hell

Ginger

16:43

nothing I like more than having to wait for 5 minutes after making changes to my grammar for the entire project to recompile and the language server to restart

DLosc

17:14

@RydwolfPrograms Yeah, the use of "girl" for people over 18 is one of my English pet peeves. If we wouldn't call someone that age "boy," why should we call someone that age "girl"? Unfortunately, I don't think there's a good alternative. I've been trying "gal" out privately to see how it sounds in my ear, but it just doesn't feel quite right. Probably because nobody actually uses it that way.

DLosc

17:29

as an avid question-asker, I — uhoh 3 hours ago

... forgot to finish writing this comment? :P

user

18:23

Perhaps the "uhoh" is part of the comment :P

@DLosc To be fair, people still use "boys" plural, but yeah, "boy" singular is considered derogatory so I don't know why "girl" isn't the same

Ginger

noice

> Your pronouns will be visible to fellow users across GitHub, including where local laws restrict using pronouns other than those assigned at birth.

;-;

DLosc

18:57

@user It's definitely complicated, because young men who are friends will sometimes call each other "boy" (maybe I should spell it "boii"), and young women who are friends will call each other "girl." But where it gets especially skeezy to me is in romantic contexts.

"Girlfriend" is fine because the coordinate term is "boyfriend" (even if both people are in their 60s), but just "girl" meaning "prospective partner," when the gender-flipped version is often not "boy" but rather "man"--that's some Gaston-level cringe.

Rydwolf Programs

19:30

There can also be a race component I've heard

People are more likely to call black adolescents "men"

Which is kind of tangential to the age/gender aspect, but still an interesting/problematic related phenomenon

Part of why I like "guy" is it applies to males of any age over like 12

DLosc

@RydwolfPrograms Which is odd, because there's also the racist habit of calling black men "boy." (Hopefully not so common anymore?)

Rydwolf Programs

Well, I have just taken the SAT

Not super confident I'll get a perfect score, some of the reading questions could have gone either way and I could've just made a random error at some point, but I don't think I did too bad

Rydwolf Programs

19:50

Uhh...I think this is the least useful tech advice I've ever been given

Okay so I sent this to Corsair customer support:

>
Feb 8, 2023, 14:51 PST

When my UPS/Uninterruptible Power Supply switches into battery mode (if the power goes out, or I unplug it to test it), the computer will often restart. My monitor and other devices plugged into the UPS (a brand new Eaton 3S, 750 VA) continue to work fine. I'm pretty sure the power supply is at fault for this, since from what I understand it's supposed to be able to continue providing power during the brief switchover time (4ms for the model I have), and other things I plug into it handle it fine. When the computer is in sleep mode (I have RGB RAM, so I can tell it…

The response:

> Thank you for your patience. I deeply apologize for the delays. Please verify if this issue persists without connecting the Power Supply to a UPS and while you have the system disconnected. Please try performing a full Power Cycle of the system itself. Please feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions.

um...

> Please verify if this issue persists without connecting the Power Supply to a UPS

Ginger

they actually, seriously said "have you tried turning it off and on again"

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah pretty sure unplugging my computer when it's not connected to a UPS is still gonna cause it to shut down lmao

DLosc

@RydwolfPrograms Yo dawg we heard you like power supplies

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Wdym by "actually, seriously". That's a standard part of pretty much every company's tech support script

Ginger

huh

guess I've just been lucky enough to not have to contact tech support very much

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

wow, I keep forgetting how judgy that face looks d:

Rydwolf Programs

19:53

I do feel judged

It's not my fault Corsair apparently can't make decent PSUs :p

Ginger

ok time to go back to shamelessly ~~stealing~~ adapting Rol's source to work in Rabbit

Rydwolf Programs

> Hi! I'm a bit confused by what you mean. The problem is that the computer shuts down during my UPS's switchover from line to battery power. There is no issue on (uninterrupted) line power or with the UPS when it's in either line mode or battery mode consistently, so trying to reproduce the issue when there's no UPS would just be unplugging a running computer.

^ This will be my reply

user

Or you could just say "Yes this issue persists"

They're likely following a script and need to tick off a box

Rydwolf Programs

Oh true

Ginger

relevant xkcd

Rydwolf Programs

20:03

> Yes, the issue persists. If I unplug my computer without a UPS it definitely does still shut down.

Perfect

Ginger

lmao

recently I learned why ?: is called the Elvis operator, and now I can't unsee it

DLosc

@Ginger If you turn your head the other way, it's a frowning person with a mole next to their mouth

mathcat

@Ginger ...

Ginger

11 mins ago, by Ginger

lmao

mathcat

why did I just google that?

user

20:16

Ginger

?⦂|

mathcat

the pelvis operator

Ginger

that's ?= q:

Seggan

20:42

@user why did i just see that

@Ginger 79.746% by Seggan

@RydwolfPrograms yeah i got the same when asking about ksp2

@Ginger gold

Ginger

21:01

@Seggan hm?

Seggan

that much of your code is actually by me i bet :P

Ginger

no comment

Rydwolf Programs

21:17

I know hand dryers have their problems, but I think for fun we should keep egging Dyson on and see if we can get them to make one where the airflow breaks the speed of sound.

TIL

Except the hand dryer actually has to be good

The ones at my workplace are like jet turbines, they actually dry your hands. The ones at my school are so weak they do literally nothing

And some absolute genius at the high school next to mine decided that having hand dryers instead of paper towel dispensers would mean they don't need trash cans in the bathrooms

So there's always garbage in the sinks

And honestly I can't blame the people throwing stuff in the sinks 'cause like...where are you supposed to throw stuff away

Like I had to just stick the tape and paper towel-y material from my arm after the blood donation in my pocket

Because I'm not leaving (theoretically) biohazardous waste in the sink but like...where is it supposed to go

So stupid

Ginger

@Seggan when I run the Rabbit file in build/scripts I get Error: Could not find or load main class community.rto.ginger.rabbit.MainKt

the class in question is present in the build directory

DLosc

@RydwolfPrograms Paper towel-y material = gauze?

Rydwolf Programs

Maybe

Still vaguely intrigued by how they can get a pint of blood out of the same little hole in my arm that barely left a drop of blood once they took the needle out

Ginger

21:38

> Elvis operator (?:) always returns the left operand of non-nullable type Type kotlin(USELESS_ELVIS)

> kotlin(USELESS_ELVIS)

wheeze

Seggan

21:56

@Ginger whats tree?

@RydwolfPrograms prob because the blood cant clot around a needle

but once its taken out, clotting immediately starts

also how are you running rabbit?

./gradlew run or ./gradlew runShadow are preferred

Ginger

ah

@Seggan well, I got it working, up until the part where ANTLR returns an empty list and my code subsequently crashes with a NullPointerException

Seggan

have you tried doing a test with lab.antlr.org

Ginger

can't, I'm using special extensions so indentation works

and they don't work with the lab

Seggan

extensions?

Ginger

yes, extensions

Seggan

22:04

anyway, have you overridden defaultValue and/or aggregateResult?

Seggan

22:26

@Ginger ^

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