The Sand Trap

Wezl'

01:52

lol I wrote "pronounce" in my bio

so if you want to refer to me, you can pronounce @Wezl' as "they" :P

caird coinheringaahing

02:25

The only true pronoun is y'all

user

@thejonymyster Which one? allPronouns or unlikelyCombinations?

Wezl'

@user you have to worry about bInArY sIzE

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes plural pronouns :P

thejonymyster

@user unlikely is fair, allPronouns is extremely bold when it doesnt even include it/its

user

Death to third-person pronouns! All hail variables!

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl' See, y'all get it

@thejonymyster Refer to someone with "it/its", y'all dare y'all

y'all likely to get y'all ass kicked

user

02:27

@cairdcoinheringaahing People do this all the time. "Who's that?" "It's me"

"Who's that?" "It's Brian"

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing ok, ill introduce you to my friend daggers, and it wont kick my ass for using it's preferred pronouns

user

"Who's baby is that? It's loud"

caird coinheringaahing

@user That's not a pronoun in that context :P

user

Really?

Grammar is confusing

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's some weird shit that's like an implicit object or something

thejonymyster

02:28

(daggers is it's name, not an object im threatening you with)

caird coinheringaahing

Cause what would the object be in that sentence?

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sounds like Scala

@cairdcoinheringaahing Me

caird coinheringaahing

Could you use "I"/"me" then?

thejonymyster

i mean are you it pronouning the baby or are you declaring that the present situation has loudness

like are you "it's raining" or "look at that cloud, it's precipitating"

caird coinheringaahing

forum.wordreference.com/threads/…

thejonymyster

02:30

ooo :o

caird coinheringaahing

In short, fuck context grammer, all my homies like context free grammers

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing My head started hurting just reading that page

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh wait i just understood how the mypronoun is part works lol

Wezl'

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean I like cfgs but in a totally different context

thejonymyster

ok so you can get any pronouns or whatever on there lol

user

02:31

@thejonymyster The baby is loud

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster Yeah, if you use neopronouns

thejonymyster

right ok

i guess a better var name would be allPaleoPronouns

Wezl'

the programming languages we use don't have pronouns (things like $_ don't count)

user

$_ kinda is a pronoun

thejonymyster

fucked up

user

02:32

But variables are just better

First of all, gender is such an arbitrary thing to divide pronouns over

caird coinheringaahing

Imagine referring to values *laughs in Jelly*

user

Second, most people use he or she so it's ridiculously ambiguous (and when you're referring to people as "they" (singular) it's again ambiguous)

@cairdcoinheringaahing lmao imagine if spoken languages became tacit

An introvert's dream :P

caird coinheringaahing

@user Future: spoken language is unspoken

Wezl'

@cairdcoinheringaahing tacit languages are also the best

Unrelated String

i mean some languages are very pro-drop

Wezl'

02:34

now I wonder if there's some connection there

py3programmer

To what?

Wezl'

because when I speak irl I find it uncomfortable to refer to people using names or pronouns

user

@UnrelatedString Those are even more ambiguous imo

caird coinheringaahing

Languages communicate well when tacitly explicit

thejonymyster

did someone say tacit

*golfs*

caird coinheringaahing

02:35

*communicates*

Wezl'

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't know enough about grammar to understand what you did there, but I appreciate it

caird coinheringaahing

People often appreciate when languages display inherent advantages

py3programmer

Huh

Couldn’t study one because of that

Hindi

Wezl'

when I write and have time to think I sometimes mangle my sentences into passive voice because I'm uncomfortable using gendered pronouns but I know genders so I also feel uncomfortable using singular they... anyway its hard sometimes

user

:|

py3programmer

02:41

In passive voice you also refer to doer

user

Passive voice is often easier to write than active tbh

py3programmer

Nope

user

You can just avoid referring to people at all

caird coinheringaahing

It has been found that passive voice is much simpler to use than active

user

"The beaker was filled with 10mL of sodium nitrite"

py3programmer

02:42

Huh

Uh huh

user

"They filled the beaker with 10mL of sodium nitrite"

py3programmer

And

caird coinheringaahing

Passive is almost always easier to use, but can easily feel clumsy

Wezl'

@user That's more of what was meant in the most recent green message ig

user

~~Also more verbose~~ nvm caird probably meant that by clumsy

py3programmer

02:43

True

caird coinheringaahing

It is almost always easier to use the passive, but using it can often feel clumsy

Wezl'

anyway the bed must be occupied, and farewells must be said a second time lol

py3programmer

Clumsy in what way

?

caird coinheringaahing

@user "Unnecessarily verbose" is included when I refer to "clumsy" usage of the passive tense

Wezl'

verbosity is always considered clumsy by code golfers

user

02:45

@cairdcoinheringaahing @py3programmer clumsy in this way

caird coinheringaahing

Which appears cleaner to you?
I cleaned the pool,
The pool was cleaned by me

user

You kinda have to work around it sometimes

py3programmer

1st

caird coinheringaahing

Sometimes, the passive voice must be worked around

user

Sometimes, work around the ~~passive~~ Yoda voice, one must

caird coinheringaahing

02:46

@py3programmer The second is in passive voice, so, sometimes, it is cleaner to use the active voice rather than the passive

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Cleaned, the pool was

caird coinheringaahing

Was the pool, Cleaned

Using old english convention :P

py3programmer

What about he sneezed? How’d you convert that into passive

You can’t

caird coinheringaahing

The sneeze was done by him

user

Yeah that doesn't really work well

caird coinheringaahing

02:47

You'd never say that, but it works grammatically

user

The sneeze was...sneezed by him?

py3programmer

Now that is something I can tell my Grammar teacher

user

Got it! "The mucus was expelled from his nose"

py3programmer

Sneeze is intransitive

lyxal

y'all want me to move this to OTTNB?

user

02:48

Sure

py3programmer

Yah

lyxal

← 104 pronouns moved from The Nineteenth Byte

py3programmer

So

Sneeze is subjectless

thejonymyster

objectless

forest

>pronouns

thejonymyster

02:50

<subject> <verb> <object>
I sneezed <lack of object>

>pronouns

py3programmer

Rights

Right I mean

thejonymyster

rights are good too :P

py3programmer

Without any object it can’t be passive

thejonymyster

true. i cant be passive without my object either

Jo King

03:09

i think there's an implicit "I sneezed myself"

user

That sounds mildly concerning

Jo King

or maybe "I sneezed my nose"

user

That sounds like you sneezed and your nose was ejected out of your nose along with the snot and stuff

Unrelated String

03:33

it sounds like you forced yourself to sneeze

lyxal

I big brained it

user

Is this AD?

lyxal

no

it's a uni assignment I'm working on

Unrelated String

03:52

did i ever show y'all that misprint medal i got

user

idk but I haven't seen it and would like to see it

lyxal

Thank you official breaking bad / better call Saul youtube account

Very cool

user

Ugh, I have a quiz on C and they want us to know the sizes of data types on the university's CS server thingy instead of the actual minimum sizes in the C standard

Unrelated String

xd

user

Because obviously knowing what the university specifically uses will be soo important in real life

emanresu A

03:59

ಠ_ಠ

Unrelated String

tbf aren't the standard minimum sizes smaller than 99% of actual implementations

user

Yeah I guess what the uni uses is what everyone uses but still

Unrelated String

so it's only really a problem if they're different than what everyone uses

but also you shouldn't have to learn them anyways

user

They could also just not have us memorize the exact size of a long long on some specific server

Unrelated String

because anything you'd want to know those values for is a bad idea

if you need a specific width use the types with a fixed width, if you need to allocate them use sizeof

user

04:01

Yeah

Unrelated String

and the standard bounds are all you really need for like heuristically deciding which to use in general

user

There's probably valid use cases for knowing that but it's probably super low-level stuff that most of probably won't get to anytime soon

Unrelated String

anything where the size is important, you should use the stdint types

lyxal

My name is Gustavo but you can call me sus - Meme

►

no half measures waltuh

►

The Law of Cosines! - A song by William Chiappetta

►

Unrelated String

@user have no idea where i put it so i had to do a bit of hardcore photo library browsing

lyxal

04:13

2^d*2^d

close enough

user

@UnrelatedString they did you dirty

Also congrats

Unrelated String

thanks ig

they did me dirtier with a tiebreaker criterion that sums the total time elapsed between the start of the event and each problem :P

i finished the whole set like 20 minutes before the 1st place team but didn't do the easiest ones first

wait that was a different year

point remains

it is still funny to me that i only lost on a technicality to one out of 39 other teams that actually had three people each
i don't think it was because i was any good
i think it was just because like 25 of those teams were using java and all of the problems were too easy for python to have any performance issues

emanresu A

04:34

~~use vyxal~~

Unrelated String

like most of them were just people from ap compsci classes at local high schools
i think some of them didn't even do the test exercise

emanresu A

What sort of problems were they?

Unrelated String

very easy

emanresu A

Example?

Unrelated String

like they were icpc style but i think mostly recycled from the easier end of problems from older icpc events

uhh

i think one of them was bijective base conversion one year

there were always like two or three that were just parse input then do basic arithmetic

emanresu A

04:39

oof

If you do this again you could legit win with jelly or vyxal

Unrelated String

i think it's closed to college students :P

emanresu A

oh

Unrelated String

first year i was there there was one that actually required a bit of thought because the way the problem was phrased was kind of confusing

like it was basically, given a string of bits that is the xor of a bunch of unique strings of for some n 1 at every index which is a multiple of n, determine what the ns are

emanresu A

so, 1001001^101 for example?

That's... interesting

Unrelated String

yeah except it always repeats up to the end of the input

emanresu A

04:44

oh lol

Unrelated String

tio.run/##y0rNyan8///hjt7D@4If7mj6//@/kcF/Qx0jHVMA to generate

wait no what

emanresu A

That's just untruth?

Unrelated String

yeah i meant this

it wouldn't just be untruth if i hadn't picked a length which is divisible by all of the ns :P

anyways almost nobody could solve it including the two other guys on my team
i could barely even program at this point but managed to walk them through it

Unrelated String

05:50

@user it's not like he hasn't done what if ads before but they've actually been amusing instead of just being product placement with another silly flowchart slapped on top

emanresu A

08:58

The list of dead russian oligarchs is growing quickly...

PyGamer0

13:03

musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Shared-Piano/#bqTxt-04h

anyone want to play a piano :p

Number Basher

hmm...

Radvylf Programs

Okay so, driving to school, nyoom vroom pew pew pew, right?

And the car a few cars in front of me is driving crazy

Slowing to 35, then speeding up, then suddenly slowing down, people are passing, but I need to be in the right lane, whatever

We get to where the car's turning off. Finally. Except it slams on the brakes.

I stop in time, but the car behind me is sandwiched

I'm stopping way faster than the car behind her

So she hits me

I'm in a truck with a grill guard on one side and a trailer hitch on the other, so I'm like, invulnerable

I didn't even realize it was a crash

Couldn't see any damage and the car behind me was giving me a thumbs up, so I just drove to school lol

Car behind me followed me and pulled into the parking lot, she gets out and goes like "are you okay?"

PyGamer0

you were driving the car?

Radvylf Programs

Yeah

Wezl'

wow

Radvylf Programs

13:18

Oh and here's my dad's somewhat anticlimactic response to learning that his truck's been in an accident:

lyxal

> Thanks dawg

i mean not surprising tbh that the response was ok

mousetail

You need to charge your phone

Wezl'

is it all done now or do we get the chance to iNfLuEnCe ReAlItY

Radvylf Programs

@lyxal Oh yeah that was for something else

lyxal

also 8:16am?

sheesh

americans and their timezones amiright?

PyGamer0

13:19

> Ok

best response lol

mousetail

@lyxal Like you find it late or early?

lyxal

early

Radvylf Programs

@Wezl' This is actually a choose-your-own-adventure thing. Your choices are: 1. go on a car crash spree since you're already probably getting insurance money, or 2. sell the car and buy all of the onions in Indonesia

mousetail

@lyxal I wake up at 7 every day

not even American

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms wait you were driving a truck?

Wezl'

13:20

(btw tbc I'm not a demon trapped in the internet, using my many profiles to manipulate people towards my end goal of peanut-butter coated cats)

Radvylf Programs

Yeah

4 mins ago, by Radvylf Programs

I'm in a truck with a grill guard on one side and a trailer hitch on the other, so I'm like, invulnerable

lyxal

@mousetail early in the day compared to the 11:20pm it is here down under

Radvylf Programs

This is Texas, literally half of the cars are trucks :p

mousetail

@RadvylfPrograms this is why I would never visit Texas

just let me walk without almost dying every step

Radvylf Programs

They're actually pretty safe, as I can now attest to.

Unless you're on foot or a bike

Or a tree

Wezl'

13:21

lol

mousetail

I'm not doubting the safety for people inside the truck

that's not the point

Radvylf Programs

So I guess the moral of the story is, if you're in a car accident, be the one in the biggest car and don't own it

mousetail

you are focring everyone to buy oversized trucks to survive

Wezl'

@RadvylfPrograms I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that's not the fastest way to do your daily commute xP

PyGamer0

how big is a truck?

4 medium sized refrigerators?

Radvylf Programs

13:23

@PyGamer0 I was driving an F-150, so like 33% bigger than a sedan in most dimensions

Wezl'

*suddenly spaces out*

like what do these name mean

PyGamer0

that?

Radvylf Programs

F-150: A medium sized truck made by Ford
Sedan: One of those cars that are like, normal car shape

@PyGamer0 Yeah, an older model though

And silver

PyGamer0

oh

what is the minimum driving age in texas?

Radvylf Programs

16, typically

Wezl'

13:26

@PyGamer0 I see this and am like: wow that's a nice blue. cool shading too. The consistent [thickness? height?] and parallel lines were used well. no idea what normal car observations are like

Radvylf Programs

"Wow oh boy I will sit on that transmission. And those oil sure are changed."

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms ohhhhhhh

Wezl'

lol how do you even tell what the oil is like

mousetail

It's a trick question. Oil is always (a politically) charged (topic)

Radvylf Programs

@Wezl' So what's the end goal there? Do the cats just exist with peanut butter? Or are you supposed to lick the peanut butter off of them?

Do they excrete additional peanut butter? Or do you need to manually reapply it?

Do they still have fur, or is it replaced with peanut butter?

Does peanut butter have the same insulating capability as fur?

Would it be smooth or chunky, normal or honey roasted?

You can't just say these things without providing details that society requires.

Everyone knows the coating of cats in peanut butter is a very sensitive topic after the Incident of 1744

Number Basher

14:17

Our teacher told us to write a sentence using 3 types of averbial clauses

so naturally,

"I ran as i ran as I ran if I ran"

lyxal

Number Basher

as in, "I ran while (time) I ran because (i-forgot) I ran if (conditional) I ran"

lyxal

@lyxal "Did that fix the rain" "sorry, still going sideways" "try unplugging the clouds then"

Number Basher

which makes perect sence

@lyxal haha

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms here

this is (99.9% probably) what wezl means

cc @Ginger to the above

Number Basher

14:32

haha

Radvylf Programs

He is not a happy boi

He's like

why have you done this

lyxal

That's definitely a face of "wtf lyxal" which is about what i'd expect ginger's reaction to be

Radvylf Programs

Whose cat is that?

lyxal

Ginger's

Radvylf Programs

lol

Yeah Ginger probably wouldn't be happy if you peanut buttered his cat without him

I know I'd be furous

Number Basher

14:37

I only know how to say haha

haha

Radvylf Programs

Well you can also say that you only know how to say haha apparently

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms well see the thing is that I was originally considering transcript diving to find one of yours but figured it'd be easier to find one of ginger's

Radvylf Programs

This is Stormie, the one who looks like he's seeing ghosts all the time

This is blurry stormie

Blurriness gives him power

This is Scully:

She do be kinda floof tho

lyxal

Radvylf Programs

That's better

He looks happier already

This is another Scully

Here's a surprise soggy Stormie

My sister gave him a shower

We do not know why

Here's both at once:

I love how even tho you can't see Stormie's face here, you can still tell he's giving that "I can see through you" look to whatever's in front of him

lyxal

14:44

Radvylf Programs

Very good

lyxal

that's the last cat I cover in peanut butter tonight

i'm gonna bed

Radvylf Programs

o/

Stormie will invade your dreams though

He has too much blurry

He can enter and wander around your mind

Wezl'

15:14

@RadvylfPrograms sorry I already gave you my most basic motive. It doesn't get more fundamental than that. Or at least I don't know why it has to be my motive.

I feel more content when cats have peanut butter

anyway, where else would they keep it

Radvylf Programs

15:50

Ah, so cat peanut-buttering is the terminal goal here.

Wezl'

I mean maybe if I was a demon trapped in the internet

pxeger

19:19

@Wezl' if?

Wezl'

is it that obvious :P

wait I'll find the context if that's what you need

contex t

DLosc

20:09

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm pretty sure it's a pronoun. I suspect this is one of those rare cases where English still goes by grammatical gender rather than natural gender. "That" is neuter, so we use "it" to refer back to it, even though the referent happens to be a person.

pxeger

DLosc is right, it is grammatically a pronoun. The reason we say "it" instead of a normal personal (they/he/she) in this context is because the pronoun is referring back to the "who" and/or "that", which are not personal pronouns and don't have an associated gender

I wouldn't say it's related to grammatical gender as English really doesn't have that. "That" isn't neuter, because neuter isn't a thing in English

(yes I know about blond/blonde but we're not using those here!)

DLosc

@pxeger The tricky part is, since "who" unambiguously refers to a person, wouldn't it be more appropriate in today's English to use the common-gender singular "they" to refer back to it?

pxeger

Actually maybe my reasoning was wrong

DLosc

But I think you're right that the "it" refers to "who" rather than "that," because you can still use "it" even if you don't have "that" in the question: "Who is speaking?" "It's me"

pxeger

I guess this is an instance of using it as an impersonal pronoun: "Who is speaking? It's me [who is speaking]."

"What is that red thing? It's an apple [which is that red thing]."

@pxeger Dummy pronoun, not impersonal pronoun

It (pronoun)

In Modern English, it is a singular, neuter, third-person pronoun. == Morphology == In Modern English, it has only three shapes representing five word forms: it: the nominative (subjective) and accusative (objective) forms. (The accusative case is also called the "oblique".: 146 ) its: the dependent and independent genitive (possessive) forms itself: the reflexive formHistorically, though, the morphology is more complex. == History == === Old English === Old English had a single third-person pronoun – from the Proto-Germanic demonstrative base *khi-, from PIE *ko- "this" – which had ...

I don't know what I'm talking about

But I do know that "it" is a pronoun

DLosc

20:24

Interesting pair of examples:
"Who is that woman?" "It's Kamala Harris."
"Who is that woman?" "She's the Vice President of the United States."

I'd be less inclined to use "She's" in the first example, or "It's" in the second example.

Not entirely sure why, but it's probably some subtle difference in the usage of "is."

user

Maybe because the "who" in both questions isn't the same?

The first is the name/identity

The second is not really her identity itself

emanresu A

21:29

@RadvylfPrograms He eats JPEG artifacts, remember?

DLosc

@user Yeah, I think you're right. The first is identity and the second is more like significance: "Who's that guy?" "Oh, no one special."

Wezl'

21:41

@emanresuA wow the memories

which are made stronger with transcripts

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger Wait those are gendered?

I always just thought "blonde" was a fancy old spelling of it

@lyxal lol

I'd imagine Tosh is a more common last name in Britain/Ireland since it's a Scottish last name

DLosc

21:59

@RadvylfPrograms Originally from French, where it's common to have a masculine word whose feminine equivalent is the same thing but with an extra -e on the end. See also fiancé (m) and fiancée (f).

Technically, "brunet" is the masculine version of "brunette," but I doubt anyone would use it anymore. We'd probably just say "he has brown hair." :P

I love it when Etymonline's "Trending words" list is influenced by current events:

1. catafalque
2. queue
3. queen
4. de
5. assassin
6. king
7. culture
8. wanton
9. con
10. pro

And if you're saying, like I did, "What the heck is a catafalque," it's apparently a "stage erected in a church to support a coffin during a funeral."

Radvylf Programs

The inclusion of the word "assassin" would paint a pretty interesting story if you sent this back in time

DLosc

Yeah, I don't know where that one came from.

user

@DLosc I’ve actually heard men referred to as brunettes (spoken, not written, though)

Wezl'

22:26

wow just tried my first migraine. On the plus side it includes more time with my cat and one less thing on my bucket list

interesting, lyxal can be used to treat migraines

user

Migraines are on your bucket list?

Wezl'

well they weren't but now they are so I can have something crossed off

user

I'd make a bucket list but I have no idea what to even put on it

Also, everything I want is way out of my reach (private jet, personal island, star named after me :P)

Radvylf Programs

22:41

Iron buckets, aluminum buckets, plastic buckets

user

Good idea

Wezl'

@user I'll name a star after you. for free!

k just named the sun after you

user

tyty

@RadvylfPrograms The ultimate bucket list

Wezl'

it was the only visible star rn. It'll be a while til userset

user

Sorry wrong image

Wezl'

22:44

> 4. Bucket

user

Ninja'd

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