The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

00:05

I may be misunderstanding what emanresu means by "eventual fraction" tbh

emanresu A

fractional limit as the list length goes to infinity

Neil

@Ginger if server-side then yes. if client-side then it depends. if you're just setting some text in a span then set it as text in the first place. problem solved.

emanresu A

innerText tho

Radvylf Programs

00:28

@emanresuA No

Never use innerText, it's just textContent but weird

Jo King

00:42

@user i know how to golf prolog, but i wouldn't classify myself as actually knowing it

Unrelated String

01:10

^

Jo King

most of my programs end in :-1+1.

emanresu A

01:25

@RadvylfPrograms It's textContent but pdate forcin

Radvylf Programs

02:04

@emanresuA ?

ATaco

I think that means it forced a rerender

Instead of just updating the content

Radvylf Programs

02:16

Ahh "update forcing"

~~I don't think that's correct~~ That might be correct, since innerText is just bloated textContent

lyxal

03:34

man the amount of times I've gone to write console.log instead of System.out.println in Java is uncanny

Unrelated String

come to think of it, what else is in console

what the hell is console.count for

emanresu A

03:48

console is sus :P

Btw, did you know you can put CSS in stuff logged to the console?

Unrelated String

oh on

on

no

Jo King

Mar 31 at 3:59, by lyxal

the amount of times I've tried to write console.log in Java when it's actually System.out.println is annoying

lyxal

It's that bad I had to say it twice on two separate occasions

Jo King

is this specifically a Java problem or languages in general

lyxal

just Java

python uses print(), C++ uses cout << ..., golfing languages use whatever byte they want and I don't use any other languages

lyxal

04:13

ever since one of y'all linked me to comic mono, I've been unironically using it for IntelliJ

emanresu A

Ooh, got into the codespaces beta

Waiiit... does it still cost money??

att

use c and add printf to your arsenal :)

lyxal

@emanresuA not for personal accounts/public non-org repos

emanresu A

Hmmm I wonder... does it work on mobile?

lyxal

@att no thanks - I like my objects to actually be objects.

att

04:18

what's an object?

5

Jo King

it's like a thing

lyxal

and can do things

and do the same things as other things if those things are a family

Unrelated String

sometimes

lyxal

and if those things are a family, they can all be treated as if they were their parent

but sometimes some of those things aren't actually things you can hold in your hand

sometimes they are a vague idea of a thing

they are things that aren't things but allow other things to be that thing

if you came to the lyxtures, you'd know these things

emanresu A

att

04:23

sorry I don't like things

Unrelated String

and sometimes you only know they're the parent but you have to treat them like the child because someone designed their library like shit

lyxal

@att well see, I do

and C doesn't let you have things

thencequentlyforthupon no printf for me

att

but then you'll never have the chance to appreciate a thingless universe

lyxal

why would I want to, when I'm surrounded by things?

Unrelated String

variety

lyxal

04:27

bah variety smhriety

3

Nobody

Computer broke down once again

what did I miss?

using iPad for the first time in 3 years

borriwed

currently am codeng on a ti89

step 1

implement brainfuck in python

shit

emanresu A

Codespaces was great once I uninstalled the python extension

Nobody

What is codespace

thanks

How came name of TnB

@emanresuA

what is codespace

CMC given an ordered list and a number find the first number in the list that is greater than or equal to the given number

in python,as an assignment, but I am making itcodegolf here

Nobody

04:50

Try to minimize the time complexity to logn

ipad broke down, shit

Jo King

this is basically just a binary search

emanresu A

^

Nobody

Codegolf

@JoKing

emanresu A

yesterday, by emanresu A

Please don't randomly ping people

Nobody

Replying but if you ban pinging whatever
Ok nvm

emanresu A

04:55

... then click the reply button

Nobody

Ok

Even tho replying on an iPad sucks but ok I’ll do it

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Q: Straighten my corners... diagonally

We can arrange the positive integers like this: 1_| 2 | 5 | 10 4___3_| 6 | 11 9___8___7_| 12 16 15 14 13 That is, in L-shaped brackets expanding down and right infinitely. Then, we can read it off with the antidiagonals: 1 2 5 10 / / / 4 3 6 11 / / / 9 8 7 12 / / / 16 15 14 13...

Nobody

@emanresuA But I usually end up wanting to reply someone after I sent the message

Jo King

you type the message before you know who you're addressing?

emanresu A

The two pings you sent before were messages on their own

Nobody

04:58

Ok even tho I don’t see the differ3nce between replying and pinging people but ok

emanresu A

Reply when you want to respond to a specific message. Ping when you have something important that the person you're pinging needs to know

Nobody

Ok I know

is there a binary search code golf challenge?

@JoKing is there

I sort of want a brainfuckit chalenge

Unrelated String

replying provides information about the flow of a conversation and happens to also ping people
pinging people just pings them

Nobody

string to brainfuck and you minimize the length of the output

@UnrelatedString ok

Jo King

@Nobody i'm pretty sure that exists, at least there's a brain-flak version

the binary search one i doubt, since you can't really enforce an algorithm

Nobody

05:05

@JoKing Where

Is there an interpreter challeng

say, Mariolang interpertert

Unrelated String

i think there is a challenge for giving intermediate output from a binary search

Jo King

@Nobody text to brain-flak

Unrelated String

i.e. you're not required to implement a binary search but whatever you do do is at least similar

Jo King

@Nobody there's plenty of interpreter challenges, don't think there's one for mariolang

Nobody

Brainfuck one pretty sure

@JoKing pretty sure there is a brainfuck ien

*one

PyGamer0

05:08

i am going to make an esolang in C called brainfrick

emanresu A

@Nobody Btw you can edit messages (like this)

Nobody

@emanresuA Oh thnx

is there a bf interpret challenge?

PyGamer0

yeah

Nobody

Problem with mariolang, there’s no very standard fo a lot of whatifs

there,s just lots of interpreters as a sample

Not sure if there is a python interferometer tho

interpreter is so hard to type

Jo King

there's a handy button called a backspace that you can use

Nobody

05:11

Well, the problem is I rely on auto correct, hit return button by mistake

and somehow interpreter becomes interrelated or stuff sometimes

PyGamer0

@Nobody we all hate autocorrect here.. dont rely on it

Nobody

Wel I do when I send messages

Jo King

unless the autocorrect is owned by github/microsoft

5

Nobody

I feel like sutocorrect makes it mor productive

@JoKing why

Python on ti89 sucks

Jo King

referring to github copilot, basically autocorrect for code

tagline: Makes you code wrong, faster!

PyGamer0

05:16

@JoKing lmao

emanresu A

@JoKing Lol :P

PyGamer0

i am trying to read a file in C

filename = argv[1];
file = fopen(filename, "r");
while ((c = fgetc(file)) != EOF) text[i++] = c;

^ so far i have that :P

Jo King

"read a file in C", well there's your problem

PyGamer0

dang it failed

WOOO it worked

i made a simple cat program

ok i think i made most of the brainfrick stuff

Nobody

05:38

Is there a marilang interepetrre challenge and should I make one? Sorry mariolang

Any ideas of how to code python without computer? What’s the best way

website or app?

or my ti89

Why is TNB named TNB

Hmm I wond

er

Oh and um what’s the best way to make a 3D graph in python tha you can rotate

PyGamer0

YESSSS I MADE A BRAINF*** INTERPRETER IN C

emanresu A

Nice!

Wait, an interpreter? Not a compiler?

That's impressive

Unrelated String

a compiler would be at least a bit harder :P

lyxal

only a tiny bit

PyGamer0

github.com/PyGamer0/esolangs/blob/main/brainfrick/main.c

^ the interpreter

emanresu A

05:49

A compiler would be easier

lyxal

it'd only be changing the interpreting part to raw assembly generation

emanresu A

*transpiler

Unrelated String

#define TAPE_SIZE 65536
...
byte tape[65536];

emanresu A

You can just emit prepared chunks of code for each item and let the language do the loop handling

PyGamer0

oh so yall want me to make a brainf*** compiler (that compiles to machine code)

@UnrelatedString frick

emanresu A

05:51

@PyGamer0 What I'm saying is it should be very easy to create a bf-to-c transpiler

Unrelated String

also typedef unsigned char byte; is kinda funny when uint8_t exists :P

PyGamer0

lol

i am big brain at C

emanresu A

You're way better than me :P

My knowledge of C is JS + Arduino

Unrelated String

isn't arduino just a weird subset of c

lyxal

iirc yes

but I haven't touched audrino for at least 4 years now

PyGamer0

05:53

pretty sure after VisualBasic i used arduino and then python..

lyxal

Visual Basic? Wow

Unrelated String

rip

lyxal

haven't touched that since 2 years ago

PyGamer0

so when i tried learning c / c++ i thought: "this syntax looks familiar..."

Unrelated String

were you forced to

or

lyxal

05:54

forced

PyGamer0

nah

lyxal

for 2 years

PyGamer0

i wasnt forced to learn VBasic

and i made a maze game in it (following a tutorial)

Unrelated String

also come to think of it is vb.net the only microsoft product that has both of their name gimmicks

PyGamer0

and i made a minecraft quiz in it for my brother :P

Unrelated String

05:54

@lyxal riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip

lyxal

I had to make a video game vending machine simulator once

it doesn't have all the image assests though

meaning you can't run it properly

PyGamer0

i was playing roblox

lyxal

y'all ever just write a CSV "parser" in vb.net?

PyGamer0

o_O

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f

lyxal

06:04

here's a time I used a free web hosting service to act as a database and I used PHP to create a sort of cursed "API"

Nobody

How do you create a rotate able 3D graph in python?

Jo King

with great difficulty

Nobody

btw how should I program? App (no computer) or TI89?

@JoKing oh shit

why

Is there a pip installable for it

Jo King

... because python isn't designed to do interactable 3d graphical stuff? you'll need to find a library to help you do it

Nobody

is there a ligjraty anyone here recommends.

?

Unrelated String

06:10

just search for one

most people here have probably never felt the need to try

Nobody

Ok

How should I program without a computer

what apps do you recommend

or ti89

Unrelated String

you mean on a smartphone?

Nobody

Smartphone or ipad

or ti89

Unrelated String

it's a pain in the ass but you can just use the default keyboard on a normal online interpreter

Nobody

Agree

like whee do you recommend

if I want say syntax heightlighting and autocomplete

Unrelated String

06:17

just use tio or something

no idea lmao

Nobody

Shit

first my Mac broke down

then my windows

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f

Nobody

then my iPad for 3 t8mes but now I fixed it

*times

holy who is messing it up...

;-)

is there a mariolang interpreter for python

i mean

an interpreter written in python for hat interprets marioolabg

I think not let me check

None

except one that translates mariolang into c

PyGamer0

@Nobody use termux + otg cable + keyboard

or just termux

Nobody

Termed an app?

termux

Termius, termuXL, xterminal

found these

@PyGamer0 din’t have keyboard haha

@PyGamer0 is it an app?

Jo King

06:29

an app for android. i dunno what good alternative exists on IOS

Nobody

o=͟͟͞͞k=͟͟͞͞

Jo King

maybe ISH shell?

Nobody

As long as python works and I can pip install

Bye for now

@JoKing um how do i install python

ATaco

Without a keyboard, don’t program imo. Too painful.

Nobody

homework fuckit

It seems that all add python3 works

apk

@JoKing how do I edit files?

thnx joking

Oh and do I have to install python every time I open it

How do I add python to path?

@JoKing I hope this isn’t randomly pinging people

ATaco

06:58

More than 1 ping in a row is redundant

Nobody

@JoKing oh no he isn’t here

@ATaco oh ok then

does anyone here know.

?

Why is there no pip in usr/lib/python3.9 ?

Does anyone here know?

Nobody

07:17

Um anyone?

If I have a bad connection star this

+why is tnb called tnb

Wait

Pip is good now,,,!,!

ATaco

07:48

@Nobody it stands for “The nineteenth byte”, and is a reference to “the nineteenth hole” which is a common name for a pub/cafe at a golf course, which famously usually have only 18 holes

Nobody

08:02

@ATaco got it

pxeger

"The Nineteenth Byte" is also exactly 19 bytes long

Nobody

08:32

Did you figure it out or is it pat of the purpose

@pxeger .

Nobody

10:22

Is everyone asleep?

@JoKing how do I install pip and how do I make a python program god thanks

Jo King

how am i supposed to know

try google?

Nobody

“Ish python?

PyGamer0

@Nobody pip install pip

ez

emanresu A

10:46

Codespaces is cool

PyGamer0

10:57

dang thats a lot of PRs

@UnrelatedString fixed

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Q: Find run ascending lists faster

In this question I asked you to determine if a run ascending list could be made. It was code-golf so naturally most the answers are very slow. But what if we want it to be fast. In this challenge I ask you to solve the same task except your goal will be to minimize asymptotic time complexity. ...

decision-problem combinatorics fastest-algorithm

Nobody

When I type

git clone github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git

git clone github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git

It is stuck at

resolving deltas, 0%

PyGamer0

try git clone https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git --depth=1

Nobody

Entire message

zhouhualideiPad:~# git clone github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git
Cloning into 'ohmyzsh'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 29383, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (3/3), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3/3), done.
remote: Total 29383 (delta 0), reused 1 (delta 0), pack-reused 29380
Receiving objects: 100% (29383/29383), 9.64 MiB | 72.00 KiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas:   0% (0/14487)

@PyGamer0 ok

    fatal: destination path 'ohmyzsh' already exists and is not an empty directory.

How do i

PyGamer0

rm -rf ohmyzsh

then the command i posted

@NewPosts damn that looks even harder...

Nobody

11:08

Should I use my vpn

PyGamer0

i guess you should

Wheat Wizard

@PyGamer0 Well technically any answer to the old one is still an answer to the new one, just not a good one.

Nobody

> asymptotic time complexity

is that same to big oh or big others or which

@PyGamer0 stuck

zhouhualideiPad:~# git clone github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git --depth=1
Cloning into 'ohmyzsh'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 1295, done.

PyGamer0

@Nobody i think its Θ... (i am probably wrong)

@Nobody now you wait until it is done..

Nobody

How long should it take

PyGamer0

11:13

idk

Nobody

This is weird

o ran everything again and now it stuck on

Resolving deltas

84

hmm

and now on counting objects 0

Now on counting objects 12

I give up

I found a tut on installing pip

# 安装python
apk add python3
# 这个python3不带pip，要额外安装一个pip，pip要去官网下载，但是没有wget，先下载wget
apk add wget
# 然后
cd /opt
wget bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py
python3 get-pip.py
# 然后就装上啦

I don’t think the comments matter

um how long should that last command take (Python3IDE ...

no IDE you stupid autocorrect

@PyGamer0 or is it idk again :-)

Lol

Nobody

11:37

Longest project ever created by me

github.com/TvoozMagnificent/BrainFuckPlusInterpreter/blob/main/…

PyGamer0

@Nobody you didnt need to post the code ... the link was enough...

Nobody

Ok

Mods help me delete this

Nobody

11:53

Thanks whoever deleted that

PyGamer0

12:05

@Nobody i think Wheat Wizard deleted that

Ginger

it'sa meeeee

@Ginger wait at what point did this get starred

PyGamer0

@Ginger "it'sa me gingerario!"

Ginger

gingario

PyGamer0

12:20

gingmario

btw i am now working on my vim theme

PyGamer0

12:47

github.com/PyGamer0/defun.vim

Ginger

12:58

in lambda.chat, 6 mins ago, by Ginger

ANNOUNCEMENT: lambda.chat now supports full markdown formatting, including code syntax highlighting!

Radvylf Programs

13:46

Are we in an arms race now

Ginger

I'd hope not, lyxal would obviously win any body part competition

Mayube

a chat arms race? How long until somebody re-invents IRC?

Ginger

That's already happened I think

Mayube

@Ginger Yeah, it's called IRC

Ginger

My point exactly

PyGamer0

13:50

@RadvylfPrograms how does this site look?

Radvylf Programs

It looks blocked on my school WiFi :p

Mayube

@RadvylfPrograms Your school is lame

Radvylf Programs

I think they're blocking github.io since it can host arbitrary stuff

Mayube

lame

Ginger

didn't you have a thing to avoid that?

Radvylf Programs

13:54

Yeah, but an update broke it and I'm too lazy to fix it

Mayube

back in my day we'd download .swf files from flash game websites and bring them to school on USB sticks

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms lol

Mayube

@RadvylfPrograms story of my life

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms so you are talking to tnb via a phone via your school's wifi?

how are phones allowed

Radvylf Programs

@PyGamer0 No, SE isn't blocked, thankfully

PyGamer0

13:57

why doesnt your teacher take your phone in detention

Ginger

and if it is we'll never know because Radvylf won't be able to tell us

PyGamer0

yeah lol

phones are not allowed in my school

(i don't even have my own phone)

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