Room for General Mathematical Conversation

3:43 AM

@Sawarnik no, did not left, was a little upset after seeing that easy solution...reading nowadays to improve things...might be joining back at the end of the month maybe...

Balarka Sen

5:52 AM

Hey @AlexanderGruber

Alexander Gruber

hey - this is not the room i was trying to enter.

Sawarnik

6:35 AM

@Hawk Hmm...when I would be enjoying in Leh :P

Balarka Sen

Ahoy @Sawarnik

Sawarnik

@Hawk But why are you so worried, its not that big-a-deal :(

@BalarkaSen Ahoy!

Sawarnik

7:02 AM

@BalarkaSen Have you seen this proof of infinitude of primes:
There are infinitely many primes because $\zeta(3)=\prod_p \frac{1}{1-p^{-3}}$ is irrational. Isn't it hilarious!

Balarka Sen

8:06 AM

@Sawarnik It's not hilarious at all.

Quite a beautiful proof.

But it's like nuking a mosquito.

Sawarnik

9:03 AM

And you can prove that $2^{1/n}$ ($n>2$) is irrational by Fermat's Last Theorem :D

But it seems its too weak for $\sqrt2$ hmm.

Balarka Sen

11:51 AM

@Sawarnik haha nice

@Sawarnik Ping test

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Balarka Sen

Test.

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Balarka Sen

8:14 PM

@Sawarnik

Sawarnik

@BalarkaS

Balarka Sen

I liked the proof of infinitude of primes you showed above, @Sawarnik

It's pretty creative.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Of course its not mine :)

Balarka Sen

Now I am wondering if transcendence of $\zeta(3)$ would give anything more than "infinitude". (It does give hints of having more information about primes though)

@Sawarnik Ah? Where'd you find it?

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen A recent MathOverlow thread .. searching.

Where did it get lost :|

Will any of the obvious unsolved NT problems turn out to be untrue cause problems? Eg, if e+pi turns to be rational? @BalarkaS

Balarka Sen

8:23 PM

@Sawarnik That's too general, but there is an amazing consequence of a therem of Waldschmidt that if $e + \pi$ is really rational then $e^{\pi^2}$ is necessarily transcendental.

But I don't think anything more serious that this can happen, though.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen It implies something obvious, so you know, can be true.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik What do you have in mind?

Sawarnik

Leave it.

Balarka Sen

I'd be interested in it, really.

Sawarnik

So you mean there is not much problem if these really obvious things turned to be untrue?

Balarka Sen

8:26 PM

@Sawarnik Not always.

Sawarnik

Hmm.

@BalarkaS Have you seen Madras Cafe?

Balarka Sen

No.

Sawarnik

Hmm, it blew my mind. Never expected such class from Bollywood.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Now that we are talking about $\zeta$, do you, by any chance, know of a proof of the fact that $\pi$ is transcendental?

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Any recent movies?

Balarka Sen

8:28 PM

@Sawarnik I don't see Bollywood, told ya.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Its too tough. Not for me yet.

@BalarkaSen You utter fool.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik There is a wee bit easier proof of the fact that $\pi$ is irrational.

You familiar with that?

@Sawarnik Agreed.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen WhY?

@BalarkaSen Something called Ian Niven's proof?

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Nah, much easier than that, in a similar style you proved it.

Sawarnik

Oo.

Balarka Sen

8:31 PM

$$\prod_{p} \frac1{1-p^{-2}} = \pi^2/6$$

Infinitely many primes, thus $\pi^2$ is irrational. QED.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen If you can't recognize the good parts of something, you are a total idiot.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Agreed 100%.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Can't you improve? -_-

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Agreed.

Oopsie daisy, I meant 'no'.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Can I ask why this foolishness?

skullpatrol

8:33 PM

:D

Sawarnik

I think you don't like anything Indian.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik I can't pull myself together to say that your suspicion is correct.

Partially correct.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Hmm, partially? I don' think so.

Balarka Sen

With one tiny exception being Indian mathematics.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen I hate such people. Why do you live here then? TELL.

Balarka Sen

8:35 PM

@Sawarnik Agreed.

Sawarnik

-_-

skullpatrol

Don't be such a national flag waver.

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol Means? No, I didn't understood.

skullpatrol

think about it

Balarka Sen

"TELL"
Agreed.

Sawarnik

8:39 PM

@BalarkaSen R U MAD?

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Don't copy Pedro, please, it's annoying.

skullpatrol

@Sawarnik with the world cup coming up soon all these national flag wavers are going to be coming out, but they know nothing about the game itself

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol Still :/ :/

skullpatrol

does mathematics have a nationality?

Balarka Sen

No.

And that's mathematics.

Sawarnik

8:42 PM

@skullpatrol No.

skullpatrol

^^that is the point

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Still you asked me why I don't like bragging about India all over like you, I'll tell you.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Bragging all over like me ? ? ?

skullpatrol

don't waste your time and energy on bragging about your nationality

save it for math :)

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol You are only seeing a partial picture. I am not bragging about nationality!

skullpatrol

8:44 PM

I see the things that are important to me first pal

Sawarnik

No actually you are making comments without understanding anything.

skullpatrol

14 mins ago, by Sawarnik

I think you don't like anything Indian.

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol Hmm, so that comment's called bragging about nationality. Which was just an observation.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik It is because India is a country of poors, the country in which those politicians did nothing over the past 50 years, nothing happened to the guys who are out there learning math but can't feed even himself. The Bollywood movies, eh, they spend millions of dollars on them while people who can't get foods die. India is not worthed bragging about anything, it's culture, it's sports, it's anything.

Sawarnik

I agree with you but:

[And I was not bragging at any stage, if you have had any misconception.]

skullpatrol

8:49 PM

14 mins ago, by Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen I hate such people. Why do you live here then? TELL.

Sawarnik

@skull Shut up.

Balarka Sen

@skull +1 for digging in the bins.

skullpatrol

:D

Sawarnik

He's disturbing a proper conversation.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik He is in the conversation.

And we are the disturbance.

Sawarnik

8:51 PM

Wat?

Balarka Sen

Wait... now I am not making sense.

Sawarnik

You rarely do.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik +1.

I liked that comment.

A famous quote :

Einstein: What I most admire about your art, is your universality. You don’t say a word, yet the world understands you!

Chaplin: True. But your glory is even greater! The whole world admires you, even though they don’t understand a word of what you say.

What's the meaning of this childishness, @Sawarnik?

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Which?

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Sawarnik

8:57 PM

Good :-)

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Balarka Sen

@skullpatrol I apologize on behalf of @Sawarnik

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen No need for that.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik We are having an opne-minded discussion here. Banning users from rooms should be if and only if people spams.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen You are the room admin, so as you think its best.

Balarka Sen

9:00 PM

@Sawarnik We are both admins, and you can ban me too.

I am just asking you to be a little more friendly to people here.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen I am.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik So why did you shut skull up?

He didn't do anything.

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen Because he was disturbing a bit.

Balarka Sen

That doesn't mean you have to ban him.

OK, I think I am wasting my time here on useless conversation. I have more serious mathematics to do so bu-byes

(Unless you want to discuss math)

Sawarnik

No byes :)

@ParthKohli Byes :P

robjohn

9:26 PM

what's up?

Sawarnik

@robjohn Thanks. I was asking wheter these messages, even though deleted, are allowed:

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Sawarnik

I am reporting it.

Parth Kohli

Have a good night, y'all.

robjohn

@Sawarnik well, the rule for the site is to be respectful of others, so I would say that it is not in keeping with the spirit of the site.

Sawarnik

9:36 PM

Reported. @ParthKohli

I shouldn't drag Rob into this.

Parth Kohli

@robjohn The messages were deleted immediately after they were posted. And they were posted completely in the absence of the concerned users. There is a reason why I deleted them. I was only talking to myself.

Doorknob

What exactly is going on here? O_o

hichris123

^

wth?

May 8 at 15:36, by Hawk

@Sawarnik you bomb me today...I will get blown up! You try to bomb me after 11th...I will hit you with Bunker Blasters!!!

Parth Kohli

An issue being glorified.

Sawarnik

@hichris123 Nah.

See the deleted messages by Parth.

I created a room for us to resolve, he immideatly closed it.

And as a gesture of goodwill, I added him as a room owner

robjohn

9:39 PM

@ParthKohli they should not have been posted in the first place. The room owners can see them.

Parth Kohli

@robjohn They were posted because of the heat of the moment. I'm sorry for that.

Doorknob

@Sawarnik, could you please explain why you repeatedly used such terms as "total idiot," "I hate such people," "Shut up," etc. for apparently no good reason?

Sawarnik

@Doorknob That is not part of this.

Doorknob

Oh, then what is "this" in that case?

Sawarnik

The actions of Parth Kohli.

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/15460713/history

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/15493460/history

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/15390479/history

And then to resolve it, I created a room for discussion, he immideatly closed it.

Doorknob

9:42 PM

Um. @ParthKohli? Mind explaining those ^?

Sawarnik

I added him as a room owner here, as a gesture for goodwill.

And he responded by a Hahaha, and removed our access.

Parth Kohli

@Doorknob given above.

Doorknob

I'm still not entire sure what is happening in here.

Parth Kohli

@Doorknob Can we have a private chat-room?

OK, this is becoming an ugly issue.

Doorknob

No need; simply explain exactly what you think happened right here.

Parth Kohli

9:44 PM

Can I divert these messages to a separate chatroom?

We can resolve it there...

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli Why not here?

Do you want me to be out of the loop?

Parth Kohli

Because this is "Room for General Mathematical Conversation."

Seth

Nope. Discuss it here, we're all here now.

Parth Kohli

OK, then.

Seth

If you want, we can move it later

Parth Kohli

9:45 PM

Statement following up:

Doorknob

So, both Parth and Sawarnik seem to have posted some inappropriate/insulting messages. None of them seem to have had any grounds or reasoning for what they have said.

Seth

I'm going to dismiss the flag now, since it seems we have plenty of mods.

Sawarnik

@Seth Thanks.

Parth Kohli

@Doorknob I do. Give me a second, please.

hichris123

@Seth Are you sure? :P

Seth

9:46 PM

heh

Sawarnik

@Doorknob I do. First lets see what Parth has to say.

Doorknob

You're avoiding the question.

Sawarnik

Ok.

So tell me

where have I "posted some inappropriate/insulting messages"?

Doorknob

7 mins ago, by Doorknob

@Sawarnik, could you please explain why you repeatedly used such terms as "total idiot," "I hate such people," "Shut up," etc. for apparently no good reason?

Parth Kohli

I'm typing it... wait a second.

Sawarnik

9:48 PM

@Doorknob That is not the matter. It was a discussion between me and Balarka, and we are both friends, so it isn't serious at all. This is between me and Parth.

Doorknob

Other people being ruder than you is no excuse to be rude yourself.

Parth Kohli

@Doorknob Can we please, please, please, discuss this privately?

Doorknob

I don't see why that's necessary. I think everyone has the right to see what we are saying here.

Parth Kohli

Looks like the flag hasn't been dismissed yet. Hello @WendiKidd.

Doorknob

It was dismissed, by @Seth.

skullpatrol

9:49 PM

I admit it, it is all my fault, i'm sorry :(

hichris123

@skullpatrol ?

Sawarnik

As I said. Balarka and me are friends. I assure none of us took it seriously at all.
It happens between us :)

skullpatrol

I got them fighting

Doorknob

Okay, I am extremely confused here.

skullpatrol

they are really friends

Seth

9:50 PM

How about we start with where this started.

hichris123

^

skullpatrol

i got them fighting each other because I am a troll

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol No, not at all.

skullpatrol

please ban me for life

Seth

One thing I want to say though, if you're friends and want to discuss potentially offensive stuff, move it off of SE.

Doorknob

9:51 PM

^

Seth

Especially since this is a "general" room.

skullpatrol

i'm really sorry this whole thing got 9 moderators here :-(

Parth Kohli

It all started with a sports bet.

I guess.

Sawarnik

^the roots lie there true.

skullpatrol

please accept my apologies to the stack exchange community

Sawarnik

9:53 PM

@skullpatrol No, its not you.

skullpatrol

3 mins ago, by skullpatrol

i got them fighting each other because I am a troll

Seth

Yep, and for now, stop talking about it.

skullpatrol

4 mins ago, by skullpatrol

please ban me for life

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol They will seriously ban you. So be quiet.

skullpatrol

IP ban is the best, thank you

Seth

9:56 PM

okay, for now skull can just be quiet.

until we're done.

Sawarnik

@Seth Can you restore my status as room owner?

Seth

I'm trying to figure out where all this started. Links would be appreciated.

WendiKidd

@Sawarnik I'm working on it.

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Seth

For now, I want to know what happened.

hichris123

9:57 PM

^

Seth

When we're done I'll add owners back

WendiKidd

@Seth It's just today's transcript I think?

Seth

I'm guessing.

Sawarnik

@WendiKidd No, it dates long back.

hichris123

oh, okay?

WendiKidd

9:58 PM

@Sawarnik Ah, then... Hmm.

Balarka Sen

What's this hub-bub?

Seth

Insults, room owner nonsese and then a mod flag.

Parth Kohli

We decided that the person who wins the bet gets 10 upvotes. (!!!)

I never really was serious about this bet because of the site moderation and system. The system would have detected the upvote-jerk regardless of the result of the bet. But I just played along throughout the tournament and there were interesting sports discussions between us. In the end, our teams reached the finals. His team won. As I said, I never really was as serious about this bet as I showed. It was only a matter of who's-right-who's-wrong to me. So even though I had promised to upvote him earlier, I just kept…

Balarka Sen

Seriously? Agggh.

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli Nor I was serious. But

the way you treated me after that.

Seth

10:00 PM

@Sawarnik Links please.

This transcript is hard to read.

Parth Kohli

@Seth I only ignored him. Those three messages were the "bursts"

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli And no, I just downvoted once and

WendiKidd

@Seth Read the links right after this chat message

19 mins ago, by Sawarnik

The actions of Parth Kohli.

Seth

thanks

Sawarnik

and I received a downvote the next day.

Balarka Sen

10:01 PM

This is just confusing.

Parth Kohli

@Sawarnik which was not by me.

Balarka Sen

What exactly happened, would anyone mind explaining?

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli I am pretty sure it was you.

Balarka Sen

In any case, let me get back to being "a normal contributer" instead of "some VIP admin".

Seth

You have no proof

hichris123

10:01 PM

@BalarkaSen I have no clue. sigh

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Seth

just like Parth has no proof it was you.

Unless there's something I haven't seen ;)

Sawarnik

"I began to ignore him on almost all the social media sites where he tried to approach me again and again. " I never did anything. You unfriened and then blocked me on FB. I asked for the reason and you didn't give it.

Parth Kohli

@Seth I have the transcript of Mathematics!

Sawarnik

I could have done nothing.

Parth Kohli

10:02 PM

God I always wanted to do this.

Seth

@ParthKohli Links then.

Parth Kohli

Sure.

Seth

No useless chatter please.

skullpatrol

this is ridiculous guys, let's all just be friends again, ok?

Parth Kohli

I'm sorry about that.

Balarka Sen

10:03 PM

this is ridiculous. i don't get to know what's going on, loads of mods in this room, hijacks, what else?

Sawarnik

"I began to ignore him on almost all the social media sites where he tried to approach me again and again. " This is just plain false.

@BalarkaSen It is sadly.

Parth Kohli

@Sawarnik I did. I blocked you on Quora and facebook.

I'm not really sure how to search the transcript :\

Seth

search, top right corner.

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli Oh sorry, you did. I meant this "Because of that, he tactfully began to downvote my answers with his alternate accounts so that his actions do not get detected by the system."

Balarka Sen

@Doorknob I don't take anything he said as rude.

WendiKidd

10:05 PM

Okay everybody, here's what we're going to do. Regardless of anything else that happened, the messages linked here are vastly inappropriate. @ParthKohli, I'm giving you a temporary suspension to calm down. Everyone else: this has gotten out of hand, please consider this a verbal warning. Anyone who continues to insult other users/cultures will also receive a suspension. Math mods have been notified to keep an eye on this.

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Seth

Good enough. We really don't need to know anything more.

Parth Kohli

Seth...

Balarka Sen

Yes, and I'd be better out of this for some days and do some real math.

Seth

real quick, what @ParthKohli ?

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen :)

Parth Kohli

10:07 PM

@Seth I'm looking them up. I promise they were there. You can ban me as soon as I find the things.

Sawarnik

@WendiKidd Thanks.

I just wanted to be friends again.
But he clearly doesn't want.

Seth

@ParthKohli I will give you 5 minutes, because it really doesn't matter at this point.

WendiKidd

@Sawarnik Yes, I think you're best trying to drop that subject for now.

Sawarnik

Ok :)

robjohn

@BalarkaSen I think the flag that started bringing everyone here was the one because the room ownership was given and misused. It seems odd to give room ownership as "good will"

Balarka Sen

10:09 PM

Why don't you do some real math for a few days, eh, @Sawarnik?

"Making friends" does not fall into the category of "mathematics".

WendiKidd

@robjohn Yes, that's something I forgot to mention. The room owners list is staying as-is; parties involved in this are not being re-added at this time.

Parth Kohli

@Seth I remember what the messages were. But they were most probably deleted by Sawarnik in the room Mathematics as soon as I read them.

Balarka Sen

@robjohn I wonder why he even did it.

Parth Kohli

one message was:

> Your reputation graph for this month will be interesting

I remember this one before it was deleted.

I can't dig up the transcript but it was on the day of 6th April.

Seth

Thank you, that should be good enough.

Parth Kohli

10:10 PM

He also mentioned in his deleted messages that he has "other accounts"

Goodbye, kids.

Sawarnik

@ParthKohli Yes, I did write it. But it didn't mean that I downvoted you serially. I at that time considered you a friend, and you took it literally.

Seth

I think all of you involved should take a break for the rest of the day :)

WendiKidd

@robjohn Oh, you're a math mod! Sorry, nevermind. That's what I was going to do, but I'll step out if you're taking over.

Parth Kohli

@Seth Phew. I can study for my exam tomorrow.

robjohn

@WendiKidd I see no reason for more people to be here :-)

Balarka Sen

10:11 PM

@Seth I am going out of SE for a week or two. I need to digest my commutative algebra.

Sawarnik

Ok, sorry, I ll do :)
Determinants are frying my brain just.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Read matrices and vectors up quickly and go to what you want to do : abstract algebra.

If determinants are too boring, get to abstract algebra now.

:15583298 No. Dummit and Foote, abstract algebra.

That's what I meant.

Sawarnik

Oh.

Balarka Sen

@robjohn This is the reason I stick to math conversations.

Sawarnik

But people say to study linear algebra first :o

What is it really? :/ I guess I am going too ahead.

Balarka Sen

10:14 PM

@Sawarnik I didn't, actually. I tried learning abstract algebra first and then got into linear algebra, trying to understand matrix groups.

robjohn

@Sawarnik @ParthKohli can we just be nice and consider the old comments over?

Sawarnik

@robjohn I have been trying to give that option till now, but he has regularly not accepted it. I even created a room today, but he closed it immediately.

robjohn

@Sawarnik how did he close it?

did you make him an owner?

Sawarnik

@robjohn chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/14573/…

And ok, I agree to whatever is being done, since he clearly doesn't want to be friends again. So I am out of this.

@BalarkaSen Hmm, is there any other pre-requisites?

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik Set theory and mappings would do.

Sawarnik

10:19 PM

By mapping you mean functions or what?

Balarka Sen

Yeah.

robjohn

@Sawarnik I would not grant room ownership to someone else without good reason.

Sawarnik

@robjohn Ok, no problem :)

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik But it is a problem.

skullpatrol

@robjohn can I have room ownership of the math room :D

Balarka Sen

10:21 PM

@skullpatrol haha

Sawarnik

@skullpatrol "to someone else without good reason."

That's too small a list of pre-requisites for something in college courses. @BalarkaSen Hmm, that's a bit suspicious you know, anyways I have to read vector spaces and all before going into it.

Balarka Sen

What;s suspicious, @Sawarnik?

Sawarnik

@BalarkaSen So less pre-requisites for something advanced.

Balarka Sen

@Sawarnik It's a matter of how you undertsand things. I had so much of just set theory at hand when I learned field theory.

And, I learned field theory without so much of group theory whatsoever.

But you can equip yourself up with whatever you want to, anyways, if you think it will help you.

Sawarnik

Hmm, ok. And now I am feeling too sleepy.

So byes. It was not a nice day anyways.

Balarka Sen

10:28 PM

@ParthKohli That proves your even less than 6. Something like 3 or so.

And you call yourself a grown-up?

Seriously.

WendiKidd

@BalarkaSen Seriously, not helping. Let's all drop it please.

hichris123

^

skullpatrol

yes, added salt to a wound does not help

Balarka Sen

@WendiKidd I was tempted to say this one. Personally, I never had any kind of fights with users in SE.

WendiKidd

@BalarkaSen That's fine. Let's just not talk about it anymore okay? :)

skullpatrol

10:31 PM

resist the temptation

Balarka Sen

Fine.

...and I am out.

skullpatrol

later pal

hichris123

@Doorknob cat on keyboard?

Doorknob

@hichris123 In a way.

robjohn

10:57 PM

@BalarkaSen I will ask you, too, as I asked S and PK, let's be nice and consider the old comments over. Besides, PK is now suspended, and kicking an unconscious bystander is not fair.

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