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A: How many wars have there been in Europe since WW2?

John StrachanTwenty six According to this wikipedia article there have been twenty six wars in Europe during the period of Pax Europaea. Below is a list of them. Greek Civil War (Greece, 1946–1949) Northern Ireland Conflict, (1960s–1998) Basque conflict (1959–2011) Cyprus Emergency, (Greek Cypriots (EOKA) vs...

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This does answer my question, even if one could group couple of those items into one, but that is basically it.
Notice that 12 of these wars are Russian invasions.
Jan
Jan
Are Cyprus and Georgia really in Europa? If Georgia is, why not Armenia too?
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@Jan: Cyprus and Georgia were invaded by European countries. Armenia is fighting off Azerbaijan - both in Asia.
Jan
Jan
@sds Really? Egypt is just south of Cyprus and in 1956 was invaded by two countries that are way more European than Turkey. I do not see it on this list though. Afghanistan had soldiers from about two dozen European countries deployed and Iraq from more than one dozen, yet neither is in this list.
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That is quite a curious listing. If Hungary is counted, then why not GDR uprising? The Forest Brothers' Guerrilla war in the Baltic states(+: note the "similar resistance groups…"). / Personally, I'd read the Q also to beg for the elephant filling the room around the last definition line in Q: the Cold War? / Given the list's composition, strategy of tension, Gladio, terror campaigns seem to be in need of inclusion?
Jan
Jan
@LangLangC kind of agree, but Hungarian uprising was much bloodier and much less one-sided than GDR 1953 (and CSSR in 1968 for that matter). Partisan activity in the USSR might be seen as part of WWII (thus not really part of "since"), but then so might be the Greek Civil War.
It seems the Algerian War of Independence also had significant spillover into France itself. This wp article claims there were about 4000 people killed within France: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
Romanian revolution of 1989 might also be worth mentioning. If Georgia is in this list, shouldn't the Abkhazian and Ossetian wars also be there? They seem considerably more distinct from each other than those three "2014 in Ukraine" entries.
Isn't this a list of 26 items? The count of 29 seems to be including headings - did you mean to count "Yugoslav Wars, 1991-2001" as seventh item alongside the 6 listed Yugoslav wars?
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@Alex : How is, for example, the influx of Islamist fighters into Dagestan a "Russian invasion"? And how are the Chechen wars a Russian invasion? Did Russia invade itself?
@Jan That's just the thing: the WP page is titled "Pax Europaea" (other langWPs for this are even more blatant propaganda stubs), then lists more than 2 dozen violent conflicts, without much explanation or discernible rationale, leaving out quite a few that should be in, if all those are. This A just quotes the list without quote formatting or the links. I'd strongly suggest to include more conflicts, explain definitions and weigh instances, to improve this situation of "we don't want just to regurgitate WP".
FWIW, "North Macedonia" before 2019 is anachronistic as this country was simply named "Macedonia" from 1991 to 2019. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
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By some definitions, Armenia and Azerbaijan sit on the border between Europe and Asia, so that might count. There really isn't an easily definable hard line between the two continents, unlike all the other bordering continents, so it's a bit of a blurry distinction. (Hence some definitions calling it just "Eurasia", but if you include all of Asia, there's a lot more wars to add...)
And Russia wonders why everyone is so eager to join NATO...
@J... Russia understand this very well so it wanted to join NATO around 2000. But the answer of "we'll never take you but will try to accept all your neighbours" wasn't really acceptable.
@alamar Well, the whole point of NATO is to be prepared for Russian aggression... and it would seem that NATO was right to believe Russia was neither sincere nor that they had abandoned their militaristic and autocratic mindset still bent on conquest.
Do you really need that mush stuff just to counter Russian aggression? That's flattering, frankly speaking.
@alamar Evidently you haven't looked out the window for the past month...
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@Jan Just a guess, but the reason might the Romanian revolution not be listed is that no other country were involved. In many other revolutions, it was either ended by a foreign invasion (Hungary, Czeckslovakia) or the original country felt apart (Yugoslavia), therefore retrospectively a conflict between different countries.
 
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@Greg But the list also has the troubles in Northern Ireland and the 1997 unrest in Albania, both of which AFAIK did not have so much outside involvement either.

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