don't you sleep?

Yeah, yeah, I'm going! Hehe.

Which part of Brazil?

Close to Otavio?

He lives in SP.

Dammit, I can't get 13 a second time.

considering how big this country is, I'd say not so far. for you it must be a great distance (about 600km)

it is one of those things that happen only once in a life time

lol

Heh.

The clue is that the blocks must bounce.

And that is very hard to do.

Ohh I got it almost.

The red block bounced back onto the blue block, but it failed to dislodge it far enough, just a millimetre too little.

what is your name, if you don't mind telling me?

Why do you want to know?

Yours?

Tames, really

curiosity

Ah OK.

Is Tames a Portuguese name?

I know someone named Tames.

He is Dutch, as far as I know.

no... english, i guess (river Thames)

it is commonly a masculine name outside Brazil

Is it?

I've never heard it before.

Except this one guy I mentioned.

I had no idea it was related to the Thames.

yes. actually it is not common, but there are derivations, "Tamisa", wich would be the portuguese form of Thames

We pronounce it in two syllables; you?

yes

OK.

But the Thames is one.

Unless you count the sibilant as a syllable...

but once i met a girl here who said her boyfriend's name was Tames

hm

"Ta" is pronounced almost as if the "fu" in "fun" could be a "tu"

and "mes" similar to mes in mesmerized

it is a ã sound in portuguese

nasal

Ah OK. That is close the Dutch pronunciation.

but "mes", in portuguese, easily sounds like "mis"

So does the name feel foreign to you, or does it seem like an old Portuguese name?

so whenever people write down my name they write it Tamis

Same applies to Dutch.

more than foreing, i felt it really alien when i was a kid

i hated it

No but is it a foreign name?

I think it is a nice name.

people always compliment me on my name, but it sounded to me like the name of a thing, and not of a person. i was a very sad kid (not precisely because of my name)

nowadays i'm used to it

(28 years later)

lol

Hehe.

I understand.

It appears to be Spanish or Portuguese.

es.geneanet.org/prenoms/significado/Tames

It doesn't seem likely that it actually comes from the English river?

why not?

take a look at this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames#Etymology

a curiosity for you. if fragmented as T'ames, it can be read as "te ames", or "love yourself". read backwards, "semat", it sounds like "se mate", or "kill yourself"

i've put a lot of thinking on this

I don't know, I just don't see why a name derived from the English river should be used in Spain and Portugal but not in England.

hahah

@Tames Oh, that is...lovely?

peekyou.com/tames__/page=1

It seems the modern name is more common in the south of the US (where more people speak Spanish).

because probably english people don't want to name english man with english river names.

?

Tames as a last name is a well known English/American name, but there doesn't seem to be a connection.

imagine, being a londoner named Thames

everytime someone said "thames", people would ask: the person or the river? lol

But then there is no reason for a Spaniard either.

So I just don't think the two are related.

besides, "tames" is the conjugation of the ver "to tame" in the second person, it is kind of odd

Did you see in the graph how the name was popular between 1700 and 1900?

yes, interesting

there could have been some change in pronunciation, so that it became less suitable in other periods

Who knows?

And are you sure Tamisia is actually derived from Tames, and not from another name (Tamis)?

Well, it's bed time.

sometimes, over the internet, people wouldn't believe Tames was my real name. they thought i was faking it

Why?

yes, i'm sure. We call the river of england Tamisa (Tâmisa)

Actually, now that I think of it, the other Tames may be partly Portuguese.

i don't know, the thought it was a nickname or a brand name

@Tames How does that prove the connection between Tames and Tamisia?

Well, it's complicated, and we're supposed to be in bed, hehe.

Tames and Tamis sound the same Tamisa - Tames-a. I'm not saying it is a proof

names.whitepages.com/first/Tamisia

i always thought it was so, maybe I'm mistaken, maybe there's more than one answer to it

This seems to point in another direction.

It could be very complicated.

not Tamisia, Tamisa

oh

once someone said my name sounded arab

arabic

@Tames Right, I mislooked.

Was this an Arab who said that?

but you are not wrong, the variations under it include Tamisa and Tamis

Yes.

But I think Tamis is a girl's name?

i don't remember, probably someone who had some contact with this culture

Hmm OK.

once i looked for Tames over the internet and only found guys

but not sure about Tamis

It could be that Spanish–Portuguese borrowed the name from the Andalusian Arabs.

there exists Tamiris here, as well

as common as Tamisa

maybe even more

i'm feeling more and more as mythical figure lol

Hehe.

You are very mythical.

This could be an interesting little project for you to research!

why do you say that i'm mythical?

yes, but i guess it is a kind of question with many answers

There could be a fairly definite origin.

If you look at that graph with the time line...but I have no idea what they based that on.

Is Tamés a possible variant, or entirely different?

could be, i've never seen it. in portuguese it would sound a more open "e". Quite an unusual accent, though

I found it as a last name.

Probably unrelated.

Because the stress is on the first syllable in your name, isn't it?

yes. and because an end in "és" in portuguese would have to be a plural

Ah OK.

i mean, all the portuguese words ending with és are plurals.. so it sounds a bit odd

as far as i know

All right.

Well, have fun pondering your own name some more while trying to fall asleep!

i guess i've had enough of my name! i hope it doesn't kill me. love is much more rare

so i'm off

good night, or good morning st.

see you soon

?

nice meeting you

Same here, good night!

bye :)

Bye!

ბარო ბიჭებო!

anybody about yet?

High-ho.

I have a great question to ask.

Hullo.

What's the difference between fear, scared, afraid, frightened (and there was another word also that I don't remember now)?

Fear is a noun, the others are adjectives/participles.

As to the nature of the emotion, they are usually pretty much the same, but they can be different in various contexts.

And scared is a tiny bit more informal, while frightened is a tiny bit more formal.

Great, thanks.

They mean the same thing so I can say "I'm scared" and "I'm frightened" for a situation?

It depends on the context: I can't give a blanket answer. In many contexts, both can be used with hardly any difference in meaning.

But not in all.

The "polite" kind of fear, as in "I'm afraid the shop is closed, madam", can only be expressed by "be afraid", and sometimes "fear" in older style.

Umm, use fear in that example.

"I fear the shop is closed, madam".

That sounds a bit old fashioned to me.

I'm afraid the shop is closed, sir.

I'm scared the shop is closed, sir.

I'm frightened the shop is closed, sir.

I fear the shop is closed, sir.

Do the second and third make sense to you?

They would mean something else, and this other thing would be very rare.

So you would normally never used scared or frightened in that way.

And the Bible is full of "fear not"s: wholeperson-counseling.org/ndoc/fear-not.html

@Gigili It means you are actually scared (you experience actual fear), and that would have to do something with the closed shop. But even then you would use "because".

@OtavioMacedo Oh, yes, that is another idiomatic use...

I'm scared of you, for example?

How to use frightened there?

I am frightened by/of you.

Are you?

But then you would sooner say you frighten me.

@Gigili Always.

Actually you would rather use by there—but, again, that phrase would be unusual anyway.

Umm, nice.

I think I got it.

It's been a long time I have this problem!

OK!

Pah.

@Tames: Woohoo, I beat the maker on this level (2 slices):

He got only 78 %.

What the heck is that?

kongregate.com/games/TheGameHomepage/3-slices-2

It's fun.

Oh, I completely forgot about the game we were playing @Kamil.

How's it going? Are you devil or kind?

I haven't played since last month or so.

It became tedious.

hi everybody

/me waves

I'd like to know your opinion on something, maybe I should have asked before actually doing it, but well...

I got downvoted because I made a mistake, which I do not consider to be fair, as I got 2 out of 3 correct, and it is not an absolute certainty that there's a serious problem in my mistake

so I posted this in reply to the person's comment:

"I think you didn't need to downvote me for that, as my example is not wrong. I may have commited some mistake, but we are all here to learn. If I was an expert, I probably would be making money on my knowledge, and not sharing it in SE"

was it rude?

Hello, hello.

It seems that some people really get a kick out of downvoting

@Cerberus Interesting.

@Tames Huh, great. I'd do the same if I were you.

@Tames It's not rude.

Downvotes put me at my wits' end and I'll never get used to them.

And hi.

On the other hand, does it work at all if you criticise down-votes?

I think first one should comment and points out what is wrong with the post, if no improvement is made then downvote would be appropriate.

A spam, totally wrong post or nonsense should be downvoted immediately, yes.

I don't see the point in donwvoting, except when someone is clearly posting answers with bad faith

yes

because the good answer will be upvoted

but i didn't know if i was acting right, because I'm new to this system

Cerb, did you beat all levels?

it seems that people in "philosophy" are much more tolerant than those in "linguistics"

it is funny how some kinds of question get an almost instant success, this one for example

visited more than 1000 times and got more than 23 answers!

(some of them were deleted already)

@Tames At the three-slice level, yes.

I'm stuck at level 8.

@Gigili Hint: let the white block do all the work.

@Tames And people in English even less tolerant?

@Tames It is a matter of degree: up means good, nothing means meh, down means bad/wrong.

@Cerberus Huh, done! Thank you.

Well done!

It's Tames's game, by the way.

my game? lol

An idea seems to be repeated in many levels.

i think people shouldn't be punished for making mistakes. if I would only post answers when I was 100% sure I wouldn't post much, maybe nothing

what if someone repeats something that you already commented? like.. something that wasn't really in your answer, but you added in the comment

should I say "man, read before you write"?

or as it was a comment, it is forgivable

?

It's OK if it's a man. Men are stupid like that.

@Cerberus: now I can upload images in the chat!

and people keep on posting answers to that question. i think it is the most popular question i've ever seen

Congrats!

oh, i take back my word on tolerance in philosophy, the deleted a question on how can we know if trees are conscious

they

@Tames Click up arrow to edit your message.

Twice, for that line.

interesting! but i feel it is kind of odd to edit a dialogue! it would change the sense of the sequence

oh

no, i don't know what I'm talking about

shut up spirit

Oh, Italy and Spain will be among the eight teams.

thanks gigili, for now i understood

i thought you were talking about 'taking back my word" lol

that would be really odd

Any time!

sometimes i take things too literally

yes!

i guess some people just need to get some credit even if you don't know them. i saw a question today that seemed brainless. it was being criticized for not making any sense. took me a while to see that it was a real question, only that the person didn't express the ideas too well

of course, then your work is doubled. first you have to find out what the question is, and then what is the answer lol

Sometimes you find out what's being asked by reading the answers it has got.

do you lose points for downvoting?

If you downvote an answer, you lose 1 rep. But you can dowvote questions for free!

hmm

have yyou ever downvoted someone?

i just did it now, but feel kind of bad

GUILTY

Yes, a lot.

If it's really of poor quality, you should do it.

Pretend that it wasn't you!

it was not poor quality.. the person didn't understand the question and answered incorrectly. and the answer had got an upvote! so i downvoted and now it is a zero

i wouldn't downvote if it was a zero

yay! all of the sudden my rep changed from 190 to 300!

@Cerberus: Otavio promised me to post an answer to that logical problem. it seems like he's got a reference for it. it may be on categorization

Aristotle, as he mentioned

Well, I don't know what to say.

What is a "logical problem" anyway?

a problem in logic, maybe would be a better way to say it

the beautify beauty thing

you know

it goes something like.. you cannot say "withen the white", because white is not a substance and can only be applied to a substance.

it is like, for something to have color, it must have extension. you cannot apply color to something that hasn't got it

of course we say things like " a dark sound", but because here's where subjectivity pops in

logically speaking it is incorrect

I'm off to bed, good night!

bye Gigi!

oh, they didn't delete the conscious tree thing, they only changed the question

yes, philosophers are tolerant

very

@Gigili Night!

@Tames Then what does such a sentence mean? It is meaningless to me.

yes, it is meaningless. i always thought it was, but i want a demonstration on why it is meaningless

The demonstration is: I read the words, and I don't understand them.

hahaha

Glad I could help.

You have to have some idea of what someone could mean by uttering a certain sentence, or you can't do anything with it.

there are many things I don't understand and that I know that they make sense, is just that it doesn't make sense to me in that moment

Fine, but then you cannot analyse them at the moment.

the problem is, sometimes we find some meaning. if you read some comments on the question you will se that. "beautify the beauty", could mean that you are "amplifying the beauty". we have a tendency to fill in the gaps

it is hard to stick to what was said, strictly

hi Otavio!

we were talking about you and how you will possibly provide an answer to my question (explicit harrassment)

@Cerberus: i was discussing this problem with 4 friends of mine, all philosophy post-graduates. First, they didn't notice the problem. Second: when I pointed it they got resistant. Third: then they said, maybe it is a tautology (which is not the case). Fourth and last: they forgot about it, because it is Marx speaking, so he can't be flawed

so you see, the problem is not as clear as it seems, before you pick it up and hang it on the wall

@Tames Hi!

Good to see you again

likewise

actually, it will be hard not to see me again, i guess

lol

you would need to put on a blindfold

@Tames What you are doing is taking an interpretation and analysing that interpretation. But there are several possible interpretations. So you would get a tree that branches out.

But you don't know which interpretation is the best one.

So you can't conclude anything.

it is not a tree, it is more like a set with subsets

What is the difference?

it is a problem of extension and not of deviation

That the tree is conscious?

@Tames What does this mean?

oh, you are talking about the tree conscience thing?

i thought it was the beautify beauty stuff

you changed subject all of the sudden

@Tames If you had provided this interpretation in your question, then it would have been easy enough to assign meaning to the sentence.

@Tames No it was a joke.

hahaha

exactly, i don't want a consideration outside of it. because the provided terms already form a sintagmatic chain

no need for further elements

you can consider it as an imperative

Huh?

"get out", "open the window", "beautify beauty"

you have more than one term in a grammatical relation

It is still a meaningless sequence of words to me.

yes, but you have to think about the form and why it is meaningless even though it is grammatical

this is precisely what i want to know

tea anyone?

I do not feel that the interpretation you gave above is warranted based on context—i.e. we have too little context to understand what it means.

chinadaily.com.cn/life/att/site1/20070801/…

oh

how can i post an image, directly with the link, not uploading

of course not.

@Tames It is extremely easy to make sentences that follow some kinds of syntactic patterns but are not meaningful. You know Chomskey's green ideas that sleep furiously?

if i say, "heat the water", don't you know what it means?

yes, exactly

@Tames It says ".jp".

it is the same kind of problem

Edit it and add a g.

it is colorless green ideas, by the way

Oh OK.

Nice.

Do you know that you can edit your older line?

so, how can something be colorless and green? it is not logical, because colorless green is a contradiction

oh, gigi thaught me, but i forgot

i'm not used to this yet

i guess i'm a spammer

In the contexts that we assume by default, it is a contradiction, and therefore meaningless. The same applies to your sentences.

@Tames Press the up arrow in the typing box.

yes, i know, but I want to know how to theorize the lack of meaning

i want to formalize it

How?

It is chaos.

it is possible. Otavio will prove it

@OtavioMacedo: ?

Hah.

will you? lol

Cerb, there are a lot of people working with this kind of problems, i just haven't reached the right authors

analytic philosophy is all about this

Well, I don't see the problem, hehe.

structuralist semantics

etc

Analytic philosophy is about a whole lot of things.

philosophy of language

Philosophy of language is also about many other things than this.

but it includes this

Sure.

But I'm still not sure what kind of an answer you expected.

People read the sentence; they don't understand it; and there it stops.

Otavio? haha

So it was Marx who said those things?

It is the same thing as with paradoxes.

Cerberus... i really didn't think my problem would find such a resistance, it seemed quite a simple problem to me. i thought it would be answered right away

People think they contain some deep wisdom when they are "explained" to them. But they are just about clever wordplay and interpreting the same sentence in different ways.

because from related stuff i've read, i had some idea of the problem, even though i could not demonstrate it.

@Tames prove what?

@Tames Well, maybe you could give some kind of nudge?

@OtavioMacedo that there is some kind of formalization on why "beautify beauty" lacks logic even though it is grammatical

Cerberus doubts it

nudge on what, Cerb?

Aristotle did