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Cerberus

21:00

You're not supposed to have ruins!

Otavio Macedo

It must be a jesuit church

Oh, that's it: Sao Miguel das Missoes

But it's in Rio Grande do Sul

Cerberus

Hmm so are there towns or regions whose population actually declined so much at some point in history that churches could fall to ruin?

Otavio Macedo

I don't think it was so dramatic as that

but in the 18th century, the jesuits were expelled from Brazil

and since they held a lot of schools, churches etc

some towns fell into decline

Cerberus

Ahh so they were forced to abandon this mission.

Otavio Macedo

Yes, but before that, a war had broken out between Spain and Portugal

The region was in the border between the two kingdoms

Cerberus

21:13

I read that a (peace?) treaty added the lands of the mission to Portugal, so that the Spanish Jesuits had to leave, and a combined Hispano-Portuguese army came to enforce the treaty and kick them out.

If I understood Wiki correctly.

Otavio Macedo

Oh, that's right

It was not war, just a dispute

But there was a war, involving indians: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaran%C3%AD_War

Cerberus

Ugh, that was pretty ugly.

And the futility of it all make it the more awful.

Otavio Macedo

Yes, I've heard that there's still a certain animosity between the Spanish and Portuguese

Cerberus

Do you have any idea what I'm seeing here?

Houses? Some kind of fields?

bing.com/maps/…

Otavio Macedo

21:29

It looks like a favela

Cerberus

Ahh...

Otavio Macedo

Probably this one: dgabc.com.br/Videos/422/a-real-da-comunidade.aspx

Cerberus

So small huts?

Otavio Macedo

Yes

Cerberus

Wow, that doesn't look so bad.

Not at all what I expected.

Much better than in Africa.

Most of those buildings looked like real houses.

Otavio Macedo

21:35

Yes, the main problem is the violence

But in RJ, things are worse than here

Have you seen Cidade de Deus?

BRB

Cerberus

Ah, no, I have heard of it, but not seen it.

Otavio Macedo

22:03

It shows how a typical favela looks like

Cerberus

I rather expected something like this:

But I guess Indonesia and Kenya are much poorer.

Otavio Macedo

Yes, most favelas are small towns on their own

but poor and violent

Cerberus

A random neighbourhood in the centre of an old French city doesn't look that much different.

Though there will be little violence.

That video you shows me made me think of the centre of Marseilles.

Otavio Macedo

Really?

Cerberus

Yeah, the sloping steps, the narrow streets.

maps.google.com/…

I can't find the exact neighbourhood.

Perhaps the houses look a bit sturdier.

Otavio Macedo

22:23

Oh, so the middle classes abandoned the city centre and moved to the suburbs?

because that sort of happened here

Cerberus

@OtavioMacedo They abandoned it during the Renaissance, hehe.

The city centre of Amsterdam was always the poorest part, until the 19th century.

By the centre I mean the part within the major semi-circle of the grand canals.

Old Mediaeval houses are usually small, the streets are narrow...

But now they are quite desirable.

And major markets and shops have always remained in the centre, so they were never quite as desolate as some city centres in the USA.

Alenanno

23:14

@Cerberus and @OtavioMacedo :D Please post your opinions here or proposals

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Cerberus

23:24

Hi.

I don't really have anything to add at the moment, but I'll keep it in mind.

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Alenanno

@Cerberus Thanks! :D

I didn't have many ideas... :D

Cerberus

Heh.

Not many people will read policy and rules.

Alenanno

Well, that is not convenient for them. :P

Cerberus

Hehe.

Alenanno

23:33

Rules might be annoying, but without them, it would be the chaos.

:P

Cerberus

True.

But...

Alenanno

@Cerberus But...?

Cerberus

23:53

This is totally my personal opinion, but reading and executing policy sometimes take the fun out of participating in websites for me a bit.

Sometimes I feel that not many rules are really necessary.

But I know many people on Stackexchange disagree.

Alenanno

I agree with you. But that works with reasonable people like us eheh, not with some types of people, unfortunately

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