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IT OCCURRS TO ME THAT gender /tense/ASPECT are neither referential of descriptive. Does this argue for against gnerative semantics vs some other kind of syntax

semantics

Gigili

13:02

is this correct: "Please find the attachment my certificate"?

Or please find the attached file?

Or what?

Otavio Macedo

13:21

@Gigili Take a look at this question: english.stackexchange.com/questions/3249/…

Gigili

@OtavioMacedo That's what I wanted, thank you.

Alenanno

13:46

@Cerberus @OtavioMacedo @Gigili @hippietrail Hello everybody!

Gigili

Hey Alenanno.

Whoa, 5 people online, didn't notice that.

Alenanno

:)

hippietrail

haha nice room name d-:

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Q: Is there a word for simultaneous snow and rain?

I'm from Australia where we don't have so many kinds of precipitation. I'm familiar with these: rain hail snow sleet As I understand it, sleet refers to frozen rain but I'm not totally familiar with it. Right now I'm not in Australia but Georgia, the former Soviet republic. And at the moment ...

single-word-requests phrase-requests

anyone know if there's a word for this in any language?

Alenanno

@hippietrail Thanks!

@hippietrail Uhm... That's a very rare occurrence.

hippietrail

on my other betas we got lots of people to submit ideas for the chat room name and vote on them. i think this led to great names for the travel and spanish chat rooms "You Are Here" and "La tertulia"

at home it's rare, here in tbililsi i have no idea how common it might be

Alenanno

13:51

You mean you have an alternative name for this chat? If you want to get a consensus, you're free to post a meta discussion! :) I won't deny you from doing that. :D

Otavio Macedo

@hippietrail I've seen that in Scotland :-)

Hey, @Gigili, how was your exam?

Gigili

14:07

@OtavioMacedo Not bad, but there were many questions about linguistic methodologies which I knew absolutely nothing about, like L1-L2.

Also, there was a question asking what's a pair of word like (color, green) called in linguistics. What's it?

hippietrail

@Alenanno i haven't thought of one yet but when i do i'll start a meta vote

Alenanno

@hippietrail We can set it up now and leave it for a week and see which one is the most voted answer.

Otavio Macedo

@Gigili I don't know :(

Cerberus

Hi!

hippietrail

on my other betas we left it for as long as new ideas and votes kept coming in. it took months for travel but for spanish it turned there there was one clearly best name that everybody loved

Cerberus

14:11

@OtavioMacedo Thanks for your good wishes!

hippietrail

i have a linguistics question...

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus You must be the only FB user that receives birthday congratulations in Latin ;-)

Gigili

@OtavioMacedo I'd ask it on the main site then, is it okay?

Alenanno

@hippietrail Ask it on Linguistics! ...oh wait, it's this site.

Otavio Macedo

@Gigili Sure!

Cerberus

14:13

@OtavioMacedo Hehe well, we are few! But there are more of us, since I congratulate other people in Latin too.

Gigili

Eh, birthday? I thought people would be kinder on their birthday.

Cerberus

@Gigili "Colour" is a hyperonym of "green". And "green" should be a hyponym of "colour", I think.

@Gigili Nope, that is very kind!

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno, I was watching that video

►

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Ah yes, What was "bolinha"?

Otavio Macedo

The guy's name

the driver

it means "little ball"

that's because there is another guy in Panico, called "Bola"

he's a fat guy heheh

Alenanno

14:17

@OtavioMacedo Oh...

Otavio Macedo

She had thrown a party and didn't invite him

so he gave cockroaches to her as a "gift"

Cerberus

Wow.

Otavio Macedo

this show is full of jokes like that

Cerberus

That really crosses the line.

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Ah I thought it was for Valentine's Day!

xD

Cerberus

14:18

In my book, at least.

I mean, locking the doors from the outside, come on.

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus Agreed

Alenanno

Anyway, I'm going to eat now... Have fun guys! :D Oh, and think about the Meta discussion regarding the Chat room's name. Should we post it, now? Later?

Cerberus

phew

Otavio Macedo

Their "role model" is Jackass

Alenanno

going AFK

Cerberus

14:19

Bye!

Otavio Macedo

if you can call that a "role model" heheh

Cerberus

Yeah, I mean, if it were some place outside, it might have been acceptable.

hippietrail

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Q: Are there languages in which two or all three of /χ/, /x/, and /ç/ are opposed as distinct phonemes?

These (and some others) are all quite similar raspy sounds to most ears and by features other than place of articulation: [χ] unvoiced uvular fricative [x] unvoiced velar fricative [ç] unvoiced palatal fricative And in fact in many languages two of these are merely reflexes of a single phonem...

phonemes fricatives uvular velar palatal

surprised none of those place-of-articulation tags existed already

Gigili

Happy birthday @Cerberus.

Cerberus

@Gigili Gratias!

@hippietrail Hmm interesting question. I can't think of any language.

Gigili

14:29

@Cerberus Would you like a grammar tip there?

Cerberus

@Gigili Sure!

hippietrail

sometimes those sounds overlap into rhotics and "h" but that seemed too superfluous to go into in detail

don't be scared to vote down if the question sucks (or up if it doesn't) d-:

Gigili

@Cerberus You just edited the tip, neener neener.

Cerberus

@Gigili Oh, your line was a reply to my earlier line, not to the "thank" line.

hippietrail

there's more spanish speakers than french speakers right?

Cerberus

14:33

@hippietrail Attention-seeker!

@hippietrail Yes.

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Q: Are there languages in which two or all three of /χ/, /x/, and /ç/ are opposed as distinct phonemes?

These (and some others) are all quite similar raspy sounds to most ears and by features other than place of articulation: [χ] unvoiced uvular fricative [x] unvoiced velar fricative [ç] unvoiced palatal fricative And in fact in many languages two of these are merely reflexes of a single phonem...

phonemes fricatives uvular velar palatal

Gigili

@Cerberus Oh? I misled you to make it exciting. (really?)

hippietrail

actually it's always been a concern of mine that many of us don't seem to vote much on this site. i try to abstain only from questions i have no knowledge of

Cerberus

@Gigili I know you.

Gigili

Hyponym, yes. I chose the wrong answer.

Cerberus

14:39

@hippietrail I vote on any question I see that seems at all interesting. Except when I forget.

www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm

This is an interesting way of weighing the importance of languages around the world.

Gigili

Whoa, I thought German was a widely spoken language.

Cerberus

It is.

Most people in Europe speak it to some degree.

Gigili

Not as opposed to French.

Cerberus

But the Germans-peaking countries have never had many colonies, so German is not nearly as wide-spread as the other four European languages.

@Gigili What do you mean? French and German are both commonly spoken across Europe.

By the educated.

Gigili

There are only four/five German speaking countries, but more than ten French.

It's 7th in the list.

Cerberus

14:45

Well, that depends on how you define that.

Many countries in Africa may have French as an official language even though most people don't speak it.

Gigili

Educated people speak German in Europe? Other than Germany, Switzerland and Austria?

There was a question asking about "Ali loves Fish. He lives in the North.", is this coherent or cohesive?

Alenanno

@Gigili I know that but I don't remember now.

Cerberus

@Gigili Yes.

Not very fluently in most cases, but some German.

And reading a newspaper should not be a huge problem.

Alenanno

@Gigili If I remember well, it has nothing to do with cohesion, and it's not coherent...

Gigili

@Cerberus Interesting, didn't know that. So learning German must be useful.

@Alenanno It should be one of them or both!

Cerberus

14:56

@Gigili Yes, just as French.

Alenanno

@Gigili Then I don't remember well. :D

Cerberus

French, German, and English have been the dominant languages in Europe for a while.

Italian comes in fourth, Spanish fifth.

French was traditionally language number one, together with Latin.

Of course English has caught up and is now the clear winner.

Everybody uses English to communicate with foreigners now in Europe.

Gigili

That's great. Here French is the most useful foreign language to learn after English.

Cerberus

So learning German is more useful culturally now than for communication.

@Gigili Yeah, French is probably no. 2 in Europe too.

hippietrail

by most widely i mean the wide world, not just the narrow bit which is europe d-:

in my travels i've only been able to use my german with people who had resided for a time in germany, austria, or switerzland. usually people from turkey, bulgaria, or romania

i would say french is #2 in europe and either #2 or #1 in europe+africa but either #3 or #4 in the world

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Q: Cohesive vs. coherent

Is the following sentence cohesive or coherent? Or both? Ali loves fish. He lives in the north. It might be of interest that cities are next to the sea in the north.

english

Gigili

15:52

@Alenanno: There's a relationship between loving fish and living in the north, no?

Alenanno

@Gigili That depends! For example: North where? For who? People in the south hate fish? I mean, the correlation is not logic. Loving fish or living in the north is not necessarily the cause of the other one.

Take two people from Sweden and two from India. Is it obvious that the first two love fish and the second two don't? No, it's not obvious. It can be, but it's not a logic consequence. :)

Gigili

Um, but they live next to the sea.

@Alenanno That makes sense, right.

I'll delete my comment then.

Alenanno

Ok, but even in the south you can find cities that are near the sea. Like Sydney, for example...

As you wish, although honestly I didn't understand it. :)

@Gigili Do you like fish?

Gigili

Not really, just some kinds of them. I eat them regularly for the sake of health and wellness. But I don't live in the north.

Alenanno

:D

I like fish

well, some of it

more than some

but I never tried all of the kinds

:)

Gigili

16:04

Right but you surely don't like all of the kinds you tried.

Is "to try" an appropriate word in this case?

Alenanno

Uhm... maybe but I don't remember all of the kinds...

Maybe there are better words. :D

But it's not wrong.

Otavio Macedo

I like nearly all kinds of fish

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Show off!

I'm disconnecting now, see you all later! :D

Gigili

Have fun.

Alenanno

@Gigili Thanks! You too. :)

Theta30

16:25

@hippietrail i have a proposal for you

Theta30

16:39

I saw you have a list of Romanian questions

and am thinking if you can share it

hippietrail

oh yeah the romanian L&U proposal silently vanished a while ago

Theta30

I am trying to learn trello now

hippietrail

trello?

Theta30

i was looking for a website that shares little projects people can work together

and make them public. Trello.com might be closer to that but it is in development

then you can share that Romanian Questions list so that I can add some Q@A too

or I can add to Google Docs

I think even the Romanian SE vanished you are still interested to get answers, no?

hippietrail

17:05

well i'm not actively learning romanian any more but i'm thinking seriously about it for the coming summer again

Alenanno

21:05

Hello @Cerberus @OtavioMacedo and @Gigili

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno come va?

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Bene! Te?

Otavio Macedo

molto bene

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Do you know how to extract images from a video? :|

Otavio Macedo

No...

what exactly do you need?

Alenanno

21:07

I need just two images from a video. It's a .MOV, but I can't extract them.

I'm trying. :D

Did it! Using VLC. :D

Otavio Macedo

hehe

I was gonna suggest that

VLC rocks

Alenanno

Do you guys get this in the chat? Scroll down the most you can in order to see it.

Do you see that movement?

Otavio Macedo

yes, I do

Alenanno

Do you see it in your chat too?

Not the gif

I mean the whole chat

Otavio Macedo

No, only in the gif

Gigili

21:17

'Ello.

Alenanno

Hey @Gigili

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno, does Italian have the distinction between "this" and "that"?

or do you use "questo" for both?

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo We have! Actually there is another one too... They are

questo = close to the speaker

codesto = close to the listener

Otavio Macedo

Ah, ok

Alenanno

quello = far from both (I think some use this improperly as the second one, like me :D )

Gigili

21:27

What's the meaning of the room title?

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo What about you? :D

@Gigili They are the IPA transcriptions of "Linguistics: Welcome to Linguistics"

Gigili

Oh, silly me.

Alenanno

@Gigili :D

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno We have este/esse/aquele

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Same subdivision as the ones I said?

Otavio Macedo

21:30

yes, in the same order

But the distinction between esse and este is becoming blurred

Este is now being perceived as more formal

Alenanno

Ah I see...

Gigili

@Alenanno I thought it was a very complicated phrase, a combination of all languages and some linguistic methodologies and coherent sentences. Huha.

Otavio Macedo

do you know a good online Italian dictionary?

Alenanno

@Gigili :D eheheh

@OtavioMacedo Zingarelli (Zanichelli) or Treccani There is a encyclopedie made by the Treccani. It's HUGE and expensive. My teacher had one and there were like 123863 books for each letter. :D (I don't remember the exact number)

Otavio Macedo

Huge, indeed! ;-)

Alenanno

21:37

Look at this, from an "ad", it's being sold...

Do you want to know the price? :)

It's a Treccani.

The price is 4.200 €.

Otavio Macedo

Wow!

Alenanno

:P

Otavio Macedo

Do people still buy these nowadays?

I mean, the physical ones

Alenanno

I don't know... But certainly they're of good quality! :D

I'll go to eat now... I'll be back later! :D I can help you finding a free digital dictionary (legal) if you want

Otavio Macedo

Yes, please :-)

have a good meal!

Gigili

21:40

@OtavioMacedo Why not? Real books are much more exciting than Ebooks. Especially this one.

Otavio Macedo

21:51

@Gigili Yes, but it's much easier to search in online dictionaries

Although I agree with you for books in general

Gigili

Very true. They just lack "ctrl"+"f".

Alenanno

22:06

I'm back

By the way, today @hippietrail proposed we'd make a Meta question about the chat room name so the community can choose, what are your opinions?

@OtavioMacedo Do you want a program by itself, or do you need the ".zip" file? :D

I mean it depends if you need the XML or not...

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno actually, I prefer an online dictionary

Alenanno

Oh! Ok.

Otavio Macedo

but it seems that the online version of Trecanni is very good

Alenanno

Yes! That one is very nice. :)

Otavio Macedo

About the room name, I honestly don't have any suggestion :(

Alenanno

22:11

I was asking whether you want me to post the question or not. :D

Otavio Macedo

Oh, be my guest!

dinner time!

Mia moglie ha fatto un spaghetti

Alenanno

Enjoy! :D

Without "un"

:D

Buon appetito!

Alenanno

22:59

Are you here guys?

Otavio Macedo

23:32

@Alenanno sono tornato

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Bentornato!

Enjoyed your meal?

Otavio Macedo

Very much

Actually, it was fusilli ;-)

Alenanno

Oh

:)

Otavio Macedo

How is the present continuous expressed in Italian?

Sto cantando?

or canto?

What's the difference?

Alenanno

Uhm

They are both ok to say "I'm singing", but might be used differently... I'm not sure there are clear-cut rules

:D

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