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Evpok

22:00

@Cerberus I am far from fluent, though, but the schwäbischen say I have a bayerisch accent :p

hippietrail

i think when i speak at least half comes out bavarian. learned from friends in different parts of the country

Cerberus

@Evpok Okay, so you must have spent quite a bit of time with them? And no standard German from television, films, books, etc.?

@Evpok That is odd for a Frenchman! Or aren't you?

Evpok

@Cerberus Summer holidays near Berchtesgaden for several years. Best place ever for hiking.

Cerberus

I find Plattdeutsch far easier to read than Bairisch, because it is closer to my own language. But it's still far, far harder than standard German for me.

hippietrail

i'll be busy finding youtube clips of jive in every language for a while (-:

Cerberus

22:03

@Evpok Ah we went to that general area last summer, a very nice region indeed.

Evpok

@Cerberus Well, I am, but my accent is very influenceable.

Cerberus

@Evpok But the hard r!

hippietrail

german has a different r every time you cross a river

Evpok

@Cerberus Yes, yes. I love saying morrrgen to annoy non-bayerisch germans :p

Cerberus

Hehe.

Dutch has every imaginable r too.

By the way, question:

Would it be typical for an Italian accent to pronounce é a bit like è sometimes, in French?

hippietrail

22:05

sometimes with lots of practice plus a small miracle i can manage the trilled one in the throat but usually i use a french one or my spanish one because they think it's cute when i do it

Cerberus

I know Italian has é too, or at least in writing...

Evpok

@Cerberus I studied German for some 5 years at school, but it didn't do me any good.

Cerberus

@Evpok Hmm school didn't help my French speaking skill a great deal either, but it did help my vocabulary and reading skills a great deal. At least I can understand standard French OKish if well articulated, but regional dialects much less so.

Evpok

@Cerberus Don't think so, though the interjection “è!” would scream italian at everybody.

Cerberus

Hah OK.

Evpok

22:08

@Cerberus It helps me for written formal German, but not for oral day-to-day interactions.

Cerberus

I just listened to a video where Dalida sings "rêvé", and the é seems to shift a bit into the direction of è.

@Evpok Yeah speaking is still the hardest for me too in most languages.

Though strangely my English speaking skill was rated two notches higher than my listening skill when I took a test once.

@hippietrail You could try to practice saying bdaccio instead of braccio.

If you say it quickly, it comes somewhat close to br.

hippietrail

@Cerberus: bdaccio to get the german throat-trill r??

it seems you're giving me a tip for the normal spanish/italian/everything else trill

Cerberus

@hippietrail Err no, wait, perhaps I misunderstood.

@hippietrail Yes.

I somehow missed "throat". I thought it was about the Bairisch r.

Evpok

22:32

Gute nacht, fellow linguists and enthusiasts. Sleep well.

Cerberus

Bonne nuit!

hippietrail

23:05

buona notte

Stack Exchange

23:40

Q: What has NLP/CL brought to the table of pencil-and-paper linguistics?

What role does NLP/CL play in today's theoretical linguistics? Does, for instance, computability and formal specification play a big role in modern theories?