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Cerberus

01:04

Oh yeah, I found the Hermitage and the Rijksmuseum a while ago.

Stack Exchange

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Q: How come I'm logged in on meta, but main doesn't know me? ... on this SE and on ELU SE

On English Language & Usage SE and now on main on this SE: I am asked to log in, refused entry because I'm not in the database, and then ... on meta, it knows who I am. And here I am. Asking this same question. I'll link back to this question from the ELU meta Q.

David Wallace

07:58

@OtavioMacedo They've had that for ages. It's really cool. Especially the ultra-high-resolution shots of some of the great works.

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Q: How can I distinguish modern Scandinavian languages at a glance?

I don't know Danish, Nynorsk, or Bokmål, but will sometimes, on coming across a writing sample of one of them, wish to know which it is. How do I distinguish them in their written forms? (I'd include Swedish in the question also, but I think I can already distinguish that by its ä, ö, and lack o...

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Q: How can I distinguish Dutch from Flemish from Afrikaans at a glance?

I don't know Dutch, Flemish, or Afrikaans, but will sometimes, on coming across a writing sample of one of them, wish to know which it is. How do I distinguish them in their written forms?

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Alenanno

11:47

Hello!

Gigili

'Ello Alenanno.

Alenanno

Hey @Gigili how are you today?

Gigili

Very good, I can even fly.

What about you?

Alenanno

I'm ok :)

I slept well tonight U_U

Gigili

That smiley contradicts your sentence. Did you or didn't you? Tell me, I can live with it.

Alenanno

11:53

I mean I slept well yes

:)

Alenanno

12:05

hey @OtavioMacedo

Otavio Macedo

Hey, @Alenanno, what's up?

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo chilling

you?

Otavio Macedo

I'm happy! È venerdi!

Alenanno

Ahah

venerdì*

Otavio Macedo

oops

Alenanno

12:09

:D

Our visits are at 285 per day!

:D

Remember when we were at 170? lol

Otavio Macedo

And it's being steady, at least

Alenanno

Yeah!

Ok, I have to go now... :D I'll come later to annoy you all. :P

David Wallace

È sabato qui

Otavio Macedo

@DavidWallace Dove?

David Wallace

Nuova Zelanda.

UTC + tredici ore

Otavio Macedo

12:25

Dove abiti? Wellington?

David Wallace

Si.

Io abito a Lower Hutt, che è vicino Wellington.

Otavio Macedo

New Zealand is one of the places I would like to know

I will, one day :)

Gigili

@OtavioMacedo Ich komme mit.

David Wallace

There is a lot to see here. We are a tiny country, but there are so many places that are all so different from each other. If you do come here, don't make the mistake of seeing just one city.

@Gigili I thought you didn't like New Zealand.

Gigili

Not when I'm bored.

David Wallace

12:33

Warum hast Neuseeland langweilig fur dich gewesen?

Gigili

@DavidWallace Frag Neuseeland.

David Wallace

Du hast nur an Auckland gegangt, nicht wahr?

Gigili

Das stimmt, ja.

David Wallace

If you ever come here again, I promise to keep you entertained. But Auckland is just a big uninspiring city.

Actually, @Gigili, if you ever come here, my wife would probably disapprove of me entertaining you.

Otavio Macedo

Hahaha

Gigili

12:38

I thank you in advance.

Otavio Macedo

Is she jealous?

David Wallace

She has never met Gigili, so she has not had the opportunity to be jealous of her.

Otavio Macedo

Hmm is there a word in English for "having a general tendency to be jealous of other women"?

David Wallace

I can't think of one right now.

But that is the kind of word you wanted to use when you asked about my wife; am I right?

Otavio Macedo

Yes

David Wallace

12:41

I would prefer not to answer that question, then.

Otavio Macedo

Ok, no problem :)

David Wallace

Hey, @Gigili, since this is a less crowded place than that other room that we were in earlier, do you want me to answer your question about how you might have offended Rob a week or so ago?

Gigili

Please.

Yes.

David Wallace

When he asked if you were mad at him, you said something like "I'm not mad at you; just please leave me alone".

which means "I'm even madder than I would be, if I had said - I'm mad at you, but let's talk about it and resolve our differences."

Of course, he deserved it, so there's nothing wrong with what you said. It just amused me how you'd worded it.

Gigili

@DavidWallace Umm, you're right.

But I couldn't stand it.

David Wallace

12:47

But I know that Rob sometimes gets under people's skins - just ask Asaf Karagila (not sure if I've spelt that right). So sometimes he needs to be told.

Anyway, do you want to share what it was that was on your mind yesterday, when he interrupted? Or is it all past?

Gigili

I ran out of patience, as I always do.

David Wallace

So either he did something else to annoy you, or I did. It wasn't clear which one of us had upset you. But I figured it was more likely to have been him.

Gigili

@DavidWallace It was him, of ocurse. I'm sorry to say but seems to me he's mentally ill or something.

David Wallace

I think he's just young and doesn't understand the inappropriateness of his behaviour. Do you think I'm being too charitable?

Hey, this room lets me type fast! It seems to be just English that's broken.

Gigili

@DavidWallace That must be the case.

Is it "I am male" or "I am a male"?

David Wallace

12:58

I am male.

"male" is an adjective, not a noun.

although some people use it as a noun. I consider it an error to do so.

Gigili

Someone just said the latter in ELU and no one corrected him.

That made me doubt it.

David Wallace

What, has Reg Dwight left or something?

Gigili

No?

Cerberus

@DavidWallace It just seems to pop up at random. Happens here too.

@DavidWallace So which Rob is this: not Robusto, I presume?

David Wallace

No, Robust 0 is my bugbear; Gigili's is someone else.

Cerberus

13:01

Ah.

David Wallace

Anyway, I can only really comment on New Zealand English. Maybe it's more acceptable in some other dialect to use "male" as a noun.

Cerberus

It is used with animals.

David Wallace

Hey, it's 2am and I'm really tired. I think I'm off. Boa noite, @Otavio; Goedenacht, @Cerberus; شب خوب @Gigili.

Cerberus

Hey you didn't switch hours?

We are no longer antipodes!

pouts

David Wallace

Not yet. I think that happens tomorrow night.

Cerberus

13:04

We switched back to summer time.

Ah OK.

Gigili

Yeah, we did it too.

David Wallace

We get a really long daylight savings time.

Cerberus

By the way, I am having the chat lag thing now, badly.

Gigili

Good night, anyway.

David Wallace

Bye all.

Cerberus

13:05

Night!

Alenanno

Hello guys

Gigili

Hi!

Cerberus

Hi.

Alenanno

Yo.

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus chat lag?

Cerberus

13:16

@OtavioMacedo When you need to wait 3–10 seconds in between messages.

You've never had that?

Alenanno

What?

Did I miss anything?

Cerberus

It happens if you type a few messages in a row fast.

Not always. It is hard to predict. Extremely annoying.

Then your line will not get posted.

Gigili

Indeed.

Cerberus

You need to click "retry".

I hate it.

Gigili

Not that other people love it.

I've had it many times, as in 5/30 posts.

Alenanno

13:18

What are you guys talking about? :D

Cerberus

@Gigili Same here. Sometimes even 13 seconds or so.

@Alenanno Apparently you never talk too fast!

The problem is that, once you get it, it won't go away until maybe ten, twenty minutes.

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus Oh yes, that sucks

Alenanno

@Cerberus You mean the "retry/cancel" when you write fast? I always get it. :D

Gigili

I've also noticed that if doesn't let you post a message twice without interruption.

Alenanno

It's to avoid spam.

Cerberus

13:25

@Alenanno Yes!

@Gigili Yeah but that is less bothersome.

@Alenanno It should be disabled for trusted users, say at 1000 rep.

Gigili

> I've heard that the best defense is a good offense. Therefore, a retreat must be the best attack!

Cerberus

And it should be turned on even for those users if people flag a lot of their messages.

Alenanno

@Cerberus I mean, not only that spam, but also users spamming too many messages in a short time.

Cerberus

@Alenanno Well, it often happens to me in a normal conversation.

I just need to type fast sometimes.

Especially when in a conversation with several people.

Alenanno

@Cerberus I noticed that if you type a long sentence like this one, then you get enough time to not be considered spamming.

Oh ehehe yeah. :D

Cerberus

13:27

@Alenanno Yeah that takes more times.

Alenanno

Usually if you let the message turn from green to black, then you can post. But sometimes I noticed you can post even before that!

Cerberus

BWT I almost typed "temps" there instead of "time", because Brel is singing that now. He sang the word "temps" at exactly the same moment.

Alenanno

Ahahah.

Cerberus

La Valse à Mille Temps.

Gigili

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=ahahah

It's just Alenanno.

Alenanno

13:29

Alenanno*

:P

And yes, I tend to write 3 standard "ah". :P

Otavio Macedo

BTW, @Cerberus, did you like Chico Buarque?

Cerberus

Oh, I think you asked me that before, and I don't know him.

Alenanno

Let's talk about stereotypes. @OtavioMacedo Do you play soccer like a god? Italians love soccer, but I don't like it. So I don't respond to the stereotype. xD

Cerberus

I live in a cheese house.

Alenanno

Lmao!

Is cheese the Dutch stereotype?

:P

Cerberus

13:35

To many, yes.

Alenanno

Can you explain something about it? I never heard of it.

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus do you wear wooden shoes?

Cerberus

Italians are hot-headed, Catholic, and know what good food is.

@OtavioMacedo Even in bed.

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno No, I play soccer very badly

Cerberus

@Alenanno Holland is famous for its cheeses.

Alenanno

13:36

@Cerberus Ah...

Cerberus

About the only good food we make.

I mean, I like French and Italian cheeses too, but...

Otavio Macedo

Gouda cheese rocks!

Alenanno

If by hot-headed you mean impulsive, then I guess a lot of us fit that description.

Cerberus

Thanks!

@Alenanno Yup.

Otavio Macedo

Maasdam too

Cerberus

13:38

You know, "gouda cheese" is never used here.

Otavio Macedo

What is?

Cerberus

Or at least not normally.

People have explained it to me: Goudse kaas is the general type that everybody eats here. We would just call that "cheese", or name the specific region where the cheese comes from. I think Maasdam would be a region.

Alenanno

You call cheese "kaas"? That's cool! In Sardinian we say "casu". :D

Cerberus

Yay!

Alenanno

I wonder why italian has formaggio. :|

Cerberus

13:40

Spanish queso, I believe.

Alenanno

Yep!

Otavio Macedo

Portuguese queijo

But French fromage, right?

Alenanno

Yup.

Cerberus

Yup.

So the Italians and the French did it again.

Alenanno

German? I can't remember it.

Cerberus

13:40

Käse.

Otavio Macedo

Did what?

Alenanno

Oh...

Cerberus

It. They messed up the word.

Alenanno

ahahah :D

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno what other stereotypes do you have about Brazil?

Cerberus

13:42

People are partying in the street all day?

Alenanno

Ahah maybe that one...

Cerberus

Always sunny and hot?

Canoes in the Amazon.

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus I didn't know that one :D

Cerberus

And they speak a weird nasal version of Spanish.

Alenanno

Ahah

Cerberus

13:44

Just like we speak an ugly guttural version of German.

Otavio Macedo

Haha you got it backwards. Spanish is a badly spoken version of Portuguese

Cerberus

If you say so!

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo Eh. :D

Cerberus

And you @Ale speak a version of Latin for people who are unable to use proper grammar or spelling!

Alenanno

I don't understand the second part! :D

Cerberus

13:46

I mean, nazionale instead of nationalis? Silly.

Alenanno

Ahah.

Cerberus

You can't remember the spelling of any word, so you just do it phonetically.

Alenanno

You're just jealous that we speak something close to Latin, while you don't!

Cerberus

Well, maybe so.

Alenanno

:D

Cerberus

13:47

Sed Latine loqui possum.

Otavio Macedo

Ooh, that hurt

hahah

Cerberus

Haud difficillimum est.

Alenanno

@Cerberus You mean "but I can speak Latin"?

Cerberus

@Alenanno Yes!

Alenanno

"even though it's hard"?

Ahah yes it is.

Cerberus

13:48

"It is not hard".

Haud = not.

Alenanno

Ah... Never saw "haud" before, I guess...

I don't remember it.

Cerberus

Non is more common.

Otavio Macedo

Ah, so you're showing off, @Cerberus!

Cerberus

Perhaps haud is only used in special contexts.

Otavio Macedo

What's the difference?

Cerberus

13:50

@OtavioMacedo Well, I somehow feel that haud is more appropriate when you want to express something stronger than not, like "not at all". But I never properly know how to use it, so I'm not sure.

Alenanno

@Cerberus Study more! So we can go back in time and use you as our interpreter in the ancient Italy. :P

Cerberus

"Haud facile est" gives about 400k results, with "non facile est" at 180k ish.

@Alenanno I can do that!

Alenanno

14:03

@OtavioMacedo greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/forests/amazon

Otavio Macedo

Oh, a jaguar with a sad face! Very compelling

Alenanno

lol?

Otavio Macedo

Just like Shrek's puss in boots hehe

Alenanno

Ahah, the problem is more serious! :P

Otavio Macedo

Yeah, I know

Alenanno

14:15

I linked it to you, because you're from Brasil!

:P

Otavio Macedo

What about Carnival? That's another Brazilian stereotype, isn't it?

Alenanno

Yeah! :P

Otavio Macedo

(Semi) nude women dancing

nude or naked?

Alenanno

Uhm

I never really understood the difference.

Cerberus

Those are near synonyms.

Alenanno

14:21

Ok, the problem is the "near", though. :D

Cerberus

I'd say nude is slightly more formal.

But...

Perhaps it is more about specific contexts and collocations?

Otavio Macedo

@Cerberus, is stoofvlees also typical in Holland?

Cerberus

@OtavioMacedo We have certain kinds of stoofvlees that I think are typical for Holland.

Otavio Macedo

Do you eat it with frieten?

Cerberus

No.

We eat hutspot (hotch-potch of mashed potatoes, carrot, and onion) with klapstuk, a kind of stoofvlees.

Then we have "draadjesvlees" (little-thread meat), which may be the same kind of meat.

And just the general stoofpot (pot stew), which would be more or less similar to boeuf bourguignonne.

Otavio Macedo

14:35

hears his stomach growling

Cerberus

Heh.

Stoofpot can be quite good, but it's mainly the wine that gives the taste.

Otavio Macedo

Red or white?

Cerberus

Red.

Do you ever made stew?

Otavio Macedo

You mean, if I've made it myself?

Alenanno

Guys, I'm going offline for a while, see you soon!

Otavio Macedo

14:42

Arrivederci!

Cerberus

Ciao!

@OtavioMacedo Oops typo, I meant make.

Otavio Macedo

Oh, yes, feijoada is a kind of stew

Black beans and pork cooked together

Cerberus

Ah, interesting!

I read it is consider the national dish of Brazil.

And transmontana refers to the region in Portugal where one of the recipes came from?

Otavio Macedo

It must be, from Trás-os-Montes

I had never heard that name :P

I mean, feijoada a trasmontana

I'm reading about it on WP

Cerberus

Yeah I saw it on WP too.

And I figured it must come from there.

Otavio Macedo

14:56

Interesting! So our typical dish is just an adaptation of a Portuguese dish hahaha

Cerberus

Hehe.

Otavio Macedo

Legend has it that slave owners used to give the least "noble" parts of the pig to the slaves

ear, snout etc

Cerberus

Ahh so that was considered "cool" around the time you gained independence?

Street wise?

Otavio Macedo

Then the slaves mixed it with some beans

I don't know.

But after the end of slavery, several things began to be considered cool

Cerberus

Oh haha, you actually have stories about how the dish came to be. Funny.

Otavio Macedo

15:00

Samba is one of them

Cerberus

Invented traditions

Invented Traditions is a concept made prominent in a 1983 book edited by E. J. Hobsbawm and T. O. Ranger, The Invention of Tradition In their Introduction the editors argue that many "traditions" which "appear or claim to be old are often quite recent in origin and sometimes invented." They distinguish the "invention" of traditions in this sense from "starting" or "initiating" a tradition which does not then claim to be old. The phenomenon is particularly clear in the modern development of the nation and of nationalism. One implication of the term is that the sharp distinction between "tra...

Yeah Samba is probably (partly) based on African traditions?

Just like most of modern Western pop music?

Otavio Macedo

Yes, it is

Otavio Macedo

17:40

@Alenanno, did you know this? "the development of modern pizza [occurred] among Italian-American immigrants (rather than in native Italy where in its simpler form it was originally looked down upon), and its export back to Italy to be interpreted as a delicacy in Italian cuisine."

Cerberus

Heh, I am not surprised.

Otavio Macedo

The "pizza effect"

Cerberus

But they did have some kind of bread with hot tomatoes in Italy, didn't they?

Otavio Macedo

It seems so: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza

Cerberus

> by the late 18th century, it was common for the poor of the area around Naples to add tomato to their yeast-based flat bread, and so the pizza was born.

Gigili

20:14

Dividend = divided?

David Wallace

No. A dividend is a bonus payment to someone who owns a part of a company.

Gigili

Yes but I don't get this:

oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/dividend+

#2 a number that is divided by another number?

Cerberus

Latin divido = to divide.

Dividendum = gerundive, "that which is to be divided".

David Wallace

Yeah, so in 6 / 3 = 2, the dividend is 6.

But the folks over at the English room are using definition 1.

Gigili

Not 2?

Cerberus

20:18

Nope.

Gigili

@DavidWallace Yeah, I figured.

David Wallace

2 is the quotient.

3 is the divisor.

6 is the dividend.

Cerberus

Divisus = "divided".

Divisor = "he who divides".

Gigili

Umm, I cannot memorize all of them at once.

Let's cry.

David Wallace

sob wail

Don't memorise them. Learn what a gerundive is. It will be useful for other words.

Cerberus

20:23

I remain unaffected, sorry.

David Wallace

Like agendum, corrigendum, addend, subtrahend, memorandum.

Cerberus

Exactly!

Or, better, learn basic Latin.

Gigili

20:41

Umm, there we go:

Now the Latin part.

Cerberus

*remainder

David Wallace

No, this picture is an aide-memoire. "Reminder" is correct :-)

Cerberus

Ehh...

I don't see how B follows from A.

Gigili

Who's B?

I understand almost nothing.

Cerberus

But I appear to be missing jokes today, so don't mind me.

@Gigili Proposition B "reminder is correct" does not follow from proposition A "it is an aide-mémoire".

Gigili

20:47

And I appear to be silly today.

Cerberus

's OK.

Gigili

@Cerberus "it is an aide-mémoire" = helps you to remember something => "reminder is correct".

@Gigili Woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

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