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Ginger

03:42

hi Emma :3

emanresu A

haiiiiiiiiiii :3c

Ginger

04:35

@rydwolf oh, this is interesting

Redz

04:50

@rydwolf ???

lyxal

@Redz presumably,

Nomic

Nomic is a game created in 1982 by philosopher Peter Suber, the rules of which include mechanisms for changing those rules, usually beginning by way of democratic voting. The game demonstrates that in any system where rule changes are possible, a situation may arise in which the resulting laws are contradictory or insufficient to determine what is in fact legal. Its name derives from the Greek for "law", νόμος (nomos), because it models (and exposes conceptual questions about) legal systems and the problems of legal interpretation. == Gameplay == All aspects of Nomic are variable; the players can...

Redz

05:37

@lyxal thanks

I am overly happy about the fact that Mao and Bartok are the first on see more

lyxal

07:21

I've had a few ideas for tcg mechanics

1. Each user card could have a normal power, RO power, and mod power rather than independent abilities

This leads to

2. There can be a current room in play, and you can play room cards as either rooms you own or to change the current room

Rooms would have different buffs or debuffs

3. There could be diamond tokens that enable a user to use their mod power. Some user cards would start with said token when played

How you obtain diamond tokens I don't know but there could be a variety of ways such as an election event, a "steal diamond" event, etc

That leads to

4. Event cards.

Effectively spell cards in yugioh (i used to be a dualist btw)

5. Item cards. E.g GH perks would be an item card

That's all for now

lyxal

08:00

Addendum: items can be equipped to user cards

And can have buffs when attached to specific users

E.g item

{name: "Github Perks", effects: [{effect: "When equipped to ginger", description: "strong buff"}, {effect: "when equipped to other user", description: "weaker buff"}]}

6. Anyone can block an action from happening (like a just say no card from monopoly deal) by raising a chat flag or flagging for moderator regardless of turn

If raising a chat flag, it has to be approved by everyone else who has a user with (some number of rep simulating 10k) rep or more

If flagging for mod, the player can either resolve the flag themselves if they have a mod user card (but this would cost hp/rep from the approving mod) or get another player with a mod user card to decide

But be careful because the other player could decline or ban the player from raising future flags

Adding a bit of social strategy

It'd need some balance if it's a 2 player game (and chat flags would probably have to be disabled)

Speaking of which, how many players?

7. Some event cards could require the player to be an owner of the current room or have a mod user

Redz

09:06

@lyxal I have an idea for that, you could appoint/remove other users as room owners to receive a double benefit of some sort or take power away with a slight negative

maybe there can be a mechanic around freezing rooms (and thus applying a debuff to that room's owner) or applying antifreeze

tokens to add qualities to a room too, such as active users

math scat

TCG is already a thing now?

Redz

apparently we're all really enthusiastic card game nerds

math scat

apparently we're all really enthusiastic ~~card game~~ nerds

Redz

ooh temporary kicking users from rooms could be a turn skip

what else can you do

move messages? moving card effects to a different room?

there would have to be a set number of rooms that you can change between according to cards

math scat

Nuking has to be implemented

Redz

09:12

special locations

i.e. lyxal's fridge and the castle seen in SE Nitro

this is such a great idea

math scat

Tbh I have never played pokemon

Redz

seeing deleted messages could be related in some way to expired message buffs/effects

math scat

or any other trading card game frankly

Redz

I've only played trading card games a handful of times but they're always really fun

math scat

Editing messages is an interest aspect

Gives me time travel-ish vibes

Redz

09:15

~~lyxal moment~~

editing messages could apply debuffs to other players

math scat

Hmm yeah

Redz

I feel like this is a lot of stuff for rooms surely we need some main site content as well

the ask/answer mechanic could pop up somewhere as a sort of trading cards/hands/effects

mutual benefit

math scat

I don’t exactly see how we could tie in posting challenges/answering questions with the game

Oh

i got ninjad

Redz

that is the first time I have witnessed someone saying 'ninja'd' in a long while nice

@mathscat I guess since SE Nitro revolves mainly within chatrooms and on grounds

it didn't really have much asking/answering questions present in the comic

lyxal

@Redz room time out

Redz

09:23

rooms and special locations being the main areas of the game might be more fitting in regards to lore

ooo room time out could force everyone to temporarily lose all effects from the room and move to a different location for at least that number of turns

lyxal

I was thinking it could be all non ROs skip a turn or can't play any cards

Redz

good point

I need to brush up on my room owner knowledge smh

lyxal

As like an actual room time out

Any ideas for win condition(s)?

Redz

on that note then player user cards would have to have either regular user, RO, mod or special status

are we going Season 1 Edition and just involving CGCC? because I feel like involving two sites makes it way more complex

@lyxal most rep left?

lyxal

Ideas I have include message stars and having x amount of mods to control a site

@Redz yeah those could be tokens with each user having a dedined effect

Redz

09:31

...dedined -> dedicated?

lyxal

Defined

Did I really misspelt that?

Gosh dang

So like {username: "Lyxal", abilities: {normal: "...", RO: "...", mod: "..."}}

Where each gets more powerful

Redz

I concur

lyxal

There could also be counter cards which don't require user cards or so

Like things you don't need to set down to play

Redz

@lyxal I assume different users get different abilities

lyxal

Or just don't beat around the bush and have straight up trap cards

@Redz yeah

Redz

09:40

I also feel like at any point in time users could have a specific status, like if you're RO you can play RO and normal abilities but not mod abilities

lyxal

Also, bot/sock accounts wouldn't have a mod ability

Redz

and there could be some way to change status

lyxal

@Redz yeah that's what I was thinking

Redz

presumably not an RO ability either

lyxal

Well they can have ro abilities

Vyxal Bot for example

Redz

09:41

fair point

lyxal

I was mostly talking in terms of best site practice

We typically don't want bots or socks being mods

Redz

I agree with that sentient

that did not english whatever

so is this CGCC-focused? because then specific code-golf related stuff might be a thing

lyxal

Well apparently pldi is also canon

I'd say that other sites could be extension packs

Redz

yeah but it's only canon starting from Season 2

and I feel like there's not enough context for that yet

lyxal

Let cg be the base theme

lyxal

09:54

We need a Google doc and a shared spreadsheet for this :p

One for the rules and one for planned cards

Redz

that's super fair

lyxal

Rules doc

3

Redz

I'll start adding to it once I get back from labs but neat

lyxal

cards spreadsheet

3

math scat

10:42

@Redz :P

Redz

The craziest thing just happened

so I'm sitting here solving informatics problems right and the fire alarm goes off

we all go and stand outside, kind of confused, one person was sleeping, another had literally got out of the shower three minutes ago

turns out? someone burnt toast

they unplugged the toaster but there was apparently a piece of bread left inside

so it burned to an actual crisp and smoked out the whole room

and now we're there, standing on the sidewalk, watching as the fire department arrives - literally, full-blown fire department, with a fire truck and full uniforms and a hose

then we get told we can come in

and I walk into the room and see three very professional-looking fire department people walking out with two. pieces. of. completely black. toast.

it's actually hilarious like it's one of those situations where you should feel mildly unconvenienced but it's so funny

math scat

This feels like straight out of a comedy skit

lyxal

Was this like right now?

Redz

10:58

yes

RIGHT. NOW.

“you get fined if the fire ppl come but there’s no fire”
“wait so we should cause a fire” — tutor from camp, ioi gold medallist.

optimal solution

lyxal

fun 10pm type activities

Redz

actually crazy

lyxal

why do people like making toast at like late at night

leave that kind of thing for the day dipnits

math scat

@Redz woah yall just have ioi gold medalists roaming around freely

Redz

we were playing Avalon and Bartok and eating toast

@mathscat no this is at December Camp

math scat

11:01

@lyxal Soup and toast is a good combination tho

lyxal

yeah not at 10pm

Redz

it is

lyxal

during the day, sure, but not at late o'clock

math scat

@lyxal Do yall read time upside down over there, too?

Redz

sometimes

lyxal

11:03

math scat

oh well

I enjoy a warm soup before dinner now and then

lyxal

yeah at dinner time

not at "people are trying to sleep" time

disrupting people with the smell of toast

math scat

@Redz I'm pretty sure they're all locked in basements around here. I've never even met an informatics olympiad participant either

Redz

fair

math scat

no clue why it isn't as popular here tho

@lyxal you have a point

lyxal

11:06

I know I do

I wouldn't have made it otherwise :p

Redz

@lyxal it's downstairs in the fashioned dining hall

lyxal

still

evidently, people can't be trusted with toast at late times

Redz

no like downstairs downstairs

you have to go down steps and outside, then inside the main building again

it's a college

math scat

@lyxal We should have a "lyxal" button next to the star

lyxal

toast trust plummets at night time

math scat

11:07

Might be a fun userscript tbh

lyxal

people should not be toast making at night time

math scat

The lyxalboard

lyxal

it's like one of the laws of the universe

toast at a time that isn't a normal toast time is problematic

Redz

no we need the energy

lyxal

it's rule number 34

Redz

11:08

playing avalon with informaticians is the equivalent of a 5-hour exam (which we already had a 3-and-a-half one in the morning)

lyxal

~~google toaster rule 34 for more info~~ (don't do that)

math scat

I remember TNB made me google that

Redz

...why did I search it up

my eyes filtered out the don't do that

math scat

relatable

Redz

okay well those memories are going into a heavily locked compartment at the back of my head

with added encryption and a heavy dose of hard info problems to take my mind off of it

lyxal

11:11

gee that bad

math scat

Good luck with that

(doubt)

Redz

I'm currently searching through SE Nitro and adding names to the Trading Nard Bame card list

lyxal

@Redz use this to help:

Sharknado Pitch Meeting

►

Redz

I think I've taken enough lyxal advice for one day

also that looks just strange in general

lyxal

pitch meeting is a really good series

math scat

11:13

Pitch meetings are tight

lyxal

good comedy

@mathscat wow wow wow. wow.

wow

math scat

Yeah those are super easy, barely an inconvenience

lyxal

@lyxal this is a pretty good introduction to the pitch meeting series imo

Redz

okay I think everyone's names - all comic names - are in there

shall now attempt to sleep

o7

lyxal

o/

math scat

11:20

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