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00:05
Currently trying to access my old surge account via my old laptop - unfortunately, it thinks it's currently Sunday 4th June, so it might take a bit
I mean, it's almost there
it's just a day and probably several years behind
yeah, it's only a year minus a day behind
@RydwolfPrograms yippee
got a bigger version for the main site icon?
So uh... It looks like we're migrating to github pages
My old laptop has various problems with TLS certificates that prevent it from connecting, and the surge token it had doesn't work on my current one. Ideally I'd want to replace it with a redirect, but I can't even access it, so we're just going to have to switch to github pages
ಠ_ಠ rydwolf
00:27
python moment
mb gang
@lyxal Would you mind 11ing chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/60263665#60263665 to https://chunkybanana.github.io/nitro-viewer/#1-1-1?
Also my p4c5 subtitles are currently desynced, sorry about that
11'd
Thanks
Also, upside is that github pages has much better CDN, so things will load pretty much as if they were on localhost
 
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01:41
@emanresuA reading over your transcripts
I'll get p4c6 done soon
chunkybanana.github.io/nitro-viewer/#4-5-27: that's not coming from the tower, that's a storm created by Seggan's diamond due to his going mad with power
chunkybanana.github.io/nitro-viewer/#4-5-29: they're inside, I think? probably should also note that that person is Seggan
Alright
chunkybanana.github.io/nitro-viewer/#4-5-41: that's not rep, it's some generic currency
rep works fine too tbh
Apparently I forgot to replace that, but I feel like rep makes sense as a canonical currency
And if we decide otherwise later we can always just edit the subtittles
01:44
chunkybanana.github.io/nitro-viewer/#4-5-56: it's already exploded, technically; that's a pile of rubble :p
Ah is the blue stuff radiation of some sort
ye
unrelated's (one) frame looks really good tbh
I'm beginning to suspect they didn't use Chrome Canvas to draw it :p
clearly we should all upgrade to Inkscape
 
2 hours later…
04:10
Hmm, I believe I may have made a slight mistake in P4C6
I believe I added an extra diamond into circulation somewhere
There should only be three diamonds, originally belonging to Hyper, WW, and Jo King. Jo King keeps their diamond throughout the comic, Hyper's is the one mathcat has that gets sucked into the corruptible crystal and given to Steggan, and WW's is taken by caird, who presumably gives it to Hyper for the final battle
But three people are visible with diamonds in the final celebration, prior to when the hivemind is given their diamond
So either someone has donned a diamond temporarily for the celebration then put it back in its container, or I accidentally gave both caird and hyper the same diamond (and it's probably the latter since I think I intended caird to end up with the extra diamond before I had the idea of giving it to Steggan after reading the community chapter)
Actually I guess nothing rules out the former, so I'll just say caird put the diamond on for a bit
Although another problem is I show two diamond users going into the bunker, when the other diamond, Jo King, is on the roof helping DLosc man the machine gun
I guess I could just say Jo King helped them go down to the bunker then went back up in time for the fight, that would make sense anyway since Jo King couldn't be in the bunker after the crystal was in place or it would take Jo King's mod powers instead
Slightly convoluted but it works :p
04:26
Doesn't Dennis have a diamond too?
I don't think Dennis did anything after P4C5 right?
Or am I misremembering, it's been a while
If Dennis was involved that would make sense
Oh yeah steggan got dennis's diamond I forget
Well, they got the (formerly) corrupt crystal, which contained the mod powers mathcat had, which were originally from hyper's diamond
yesterday, by Rydwolf Programs
Maybe you got advance warning from hyper, and hid your diamond away, since you knew mathcat was going to be going after anyone still in possession of a diamond
There's your solution
ooh that's an option too
Which would make you the additional mod rather than caird
04:32
It was never a comic error it was clever foreshadowing and a prediction of the future
Wait so whose diamonds are here:
I'm not sure where the mod powers in the cracked crystal went, lemme reread C5
Okay wait so it looks like when Seggan and Steffan touch, a segfault occurs, and they're merged into a hivemind. Both of their mod powers disappear, and the empty corrupt crystal is left behind
And Dennis is left diamond-less
I forget the lore reason for the segfault, lemme read the planning room for the community chapter
the lore behind this comic is astounding
Actually, someone who was involved in the community chapter (@Seggan maybe?), could one of you write the wiki page for Part 4 Chapter 5?
Feel free to use the page for P1C1 as a template
05:11
A file was recently leaked from a classified post-mortem of the ███████████ incident
 
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13:07
@RydwolfPrograms sure
@Ginger *Kotlin Temple
@RydwolfPrograms Seggan was given a diamond found in CR, which merged with Dennis' diamond to form the corrupted diamond
@RydwolfPrograms the one seggan was given is cracked (you can see the crack in my frames), due to it being found in the ruins of CR
and it segfaulted when in the presence of another diamond
13:55
whoah P4C5 was almost a year ago
I should actually do the thing with the infoboxes
what are some important bits of info about characters
huh, forgor about explain-se-nitro.pages.dev
we should probably merge that into the wiki
14:17
o yeah that was a thing lol
14:34
rate my crystal
hmm, doesn't look as good at small scales
14:51
ok, favicon and icon have been deployed
 
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17:32
@Ginger i was looking through the planning room and found this
in P4TC Rydwolf-proof Planning Room, Apr 19, 2023 at 17:26, by Ginger
ooh, you know what'd be interesting? since this whole process results in one fewer diamond, maybe that could trigger a mod election on CR
hmm
also we never did explain why steggan is on mathcats did did we?
we mumble something on "mathcat finding us" but never explain why were on mathcats side
idk lol
i think rydwolf said something about the corrupted crystal influencing us but you are in possession of it
@RydwolfPrograms done. at least, thats my version of canon
brain too tired for this
@RydwolfPrograms what exactly is the nature of the setting? :p
we should have a page for it I think
17:38
wdym "nature of the setting"
what the world is?
yeah
the geography etc
its a simulation (since online places are used to get around) of the real world (since australia and ontario exist) + minecraft (because nether)
but yeah thats only my headcanon
@RydwolfPrograms
18:12
tbh I think it would be easier to declare the Nether to be some kind of shadow realm (that happens to be nicknamed the Nether) than it would be to include the entirety of Minecraft in the world :p
or just include the nether
what do yall think of this chat formatting style?
that comes with all sorts of unfortunate implications though
like?
@Seggan that's nice :p
I was considering making a template for transcripts actually
@Seggan Minecraft is real in some capacity within the world :b
do we have piglins?
socks are secretly piglins and we live in minecraft legends
18:14
it's all coming together
@Ginger code:
<blockquote>
; emanresu A
: @Steffan Is <code>Steffan</code> or <code>Seggan</code> in it [the Vyxal dictionary]? If not, we can correct that
: Also @lyxal Idea: Sponsors of a certain tier get to add words to the dictionary
--- snip irrelevant conversation ---
; Steffan
: @emanresuA Nope
; emanresu A
: We must amend this ''immediately''
; Steffan
: Steggan
; NoHaxJustRadvylf
: Does anyone else get Steffan and Seggan mixed up? I always do and then I feel bad lol
; Steffan
: yes lol
: Ginger and lyxal have so far
also i HATE the markup style
hmm
we can do custom CSS fwiw
@Seggan yeahhhhh
I found another wiki with a transcript template that uses fancier styling, might yoink it
also when referencing users should i link bios or wiki pages?
if they're a character, link to their wiki page
if you're referring to the user (which should only be for meta stuff like page authorship), link to their user page on the wiki
im currently explaining the backstory of steggan
18:23
right
including that entire chat transcript is probably redundant, fwiw
just link to the start or smth, or make a conversation
im including only the relevant parts
right
and linking to the transcript ofc
it would probably be wise to archive the transcripts and include links to the wayback machine
Jul 17, 2023 at 3:38, by Rydwolf Programs
user image
18:37
@Seggan Yeah, in my headcanon (and what's strongly implied by P4C5+P4C6) the corrupted crystal is what's binding y'all into a hivemind, and it has the same corrupting influence that Nitro had on mathcat
Making y'all natural allies
@Ginger It's a weird merger of the real world and Stack Exchange, where places in SE's digital world are superimposed onto the globe
FWIW I don't see it as a simulation like Seggan said, I see it more as the places in SE being real places
@Seggan This is what I lean towards :p
@Ginger Ooh ooh can you do a thing where you can put sassy quotes up at the top of the article?
Sorta like this:
I kinda want to make a prequel, maybe taking place around the time of mathcat's first rise to power, that's in novel form and describes in detail some of the settings
Since my idea for, e.g., TNB, is really cool but hard to convey in the timeline and format of the comic
@Ginger Could we use a diamond that's a little more...chrome canvasy?
Maybe one taken from a panel of the comic
The varying line thickness is a distinct part of the visual style
You "fixed" that part of it but then didn't fix the skewedness of the diamond :p
@Seggan The Spymaster is supposed to be the same as hat guy, right?
wait isnt spymaster the other steggan
hat guy is steffan
therefore the spymaster is seggan
18:47
wait
Lemme check which frame mathcat refers to a steggan as spymaster again
I think I remember the spymaster wearing a hat but could be misremembering
@RydwolfPrograms so Steggan is free for a bit until mathcat steals the diamond from ginger
Oh, it seems the hatless steggan actually is referred to as the spymaster. I guess you could argue tho, that mathcat sees the two as a single identity, so maybe the hivemind is the spymaster :p
@Seggan I don't read it that way
While ginger did have possession of the corrupted crystal, it was never repaired
@RydwolfPrograms yeah in my article i refer to them as one entity
I'm just not sure if we should have "the Spymaster" as an article on the wiki, or if it should be written more like "It begins with [[Seggan]] (referred to as 'the Spymaster')..."
I know we'll need an article for Seggan, Steffan, and the hivemind, I'm not as sure for Hat Guy and Spymaster
Since those are just alter-egos of Seggan and Steffan
yeah in my hivemind article i just say Steggan/Steffan is introduced as "Hat Guy"
18:54
> 56-frame chapter
It's crazy how long some of these got lol
Should we have a page with a ranking of the longest chapters? :p
Actually I'mma do that :p
its interesting that in P3C6 the Steggans use second person pronouns to refer to each other :P
I guess it must be a confusing breach of radio etiquette to ask "do I copy?" :p
theyre telepathically talking, no?
Yeah, but they're talking as if on radios ("do you copy?")
ah yeaj
also plot hole :P steffan tries to stop seggan, not mathcat chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/133489?m=63989485#63989485
19:07
Yeah, I didn't read P4C5 correctly :p
I'll find some unnecessarily complex way to make it work, dw :p
 
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20:16
Sadly it does not fit with the canon :p
20:42
whee pings
hang on
@RydwolfPrograms yes :p
that can be arranged for
@RydwolfPrograms D:
Also can you give me mod privs (or whatever privs you have)
admin/interface admin? yeah
how come?
Bus factor :p
Plus on the fandom I had those privs, so only fair :p
done and done
I happen to like the crystal tbh
hehe C4C5 biggest on both counts
21:06
Wait there are three diamonds in P4C4...
@RydwolfPrograms are we gonna make pages for each frame?
No, god no, just the chapters
excellent
makes my categorizing job much simpler :3
We might occasionally make a whole page for a particularly interesting frame, idk
@RydwolfPrograms make sure you're categorizing pages correctly :p
21:18
idk how to do that or what that means
also how do I add images off to the side?
are you using the visual editor?
I enabled it
I used it once but now it's having me use the raw one (which I like more anyway)
the raw one doesn't have a pretty GUI, but you do you ig
:b
@RydwolfPrograms you do know that MediaWiki wiks can add categories to pages, right?
basically tags
I've been tagging the chapters with categories like Season 1 Part 1 etc
forgor the syntax
smh why is my page so austere :(
I copied over the bare-bones single-paragraph pages I'd added to the fandom
oh, categorization is just adding a link to the category to the end of the page
It's a bit time consuming to document a character's entire history and role in the plot so I'll get around to doing so gradually for all 30 major characters
senitro.miraheze.org/wiki/Part_4_Chapter_4#timeline i think we should do a dedicated timeline page instead
21:23
Feel free to do it yourself :p (you can use mathcat's page as a template)
@Seggan I agree, maybe the prior/next chapters can go in the infobox
oh yes, the infobox
I can make those now
so: what kind of info should character/chapter infoboxes have
chapter: author(s), characters, uhh
locations
frames
link ofc
those feel like things that should go in the main page :p
Chapter:
- Season/special comic name
- Part number
- Prior chapter, timeline-wise
- Next chapter, timeline-wise
yeag
21:26
Seggan's suggestions of author(s), locations, and characters are also good
As for character pages:
- Powers held (mod, 1M rep, nitro/perks, etc.)
- First introduced
- Death
- Groups associated with
so P1C1 is the earliest chapter timeline-wise?
S1P1C1 :p
No, P3C2 is
wait, wdym by "timeline-wise"
Chronological order within the story
21:27
like chronologically when it occurs?
happens earliest relative to the story
I'm gonna need some help putting them all in order lol
I have these complex graphs I made a while back
@RydwolfPrograms concerning steggan, does "first appearance" include retcons into the hat guy/unnamed TNBer on ship?
UGH
I hate how the max size is smaller than an iphone picture
Giomme a sec
@Seggan yeah
21:30
ah well that clears it right up then
:p
Also some chapters contain multiple scenes which occur at different parts of the timeline
So maybe for those, we should split it into multiple articles
aaaaagh
that's gonna suck to categorize, please don't do that
@RydwolfPrograms P4C5P1 :P
just use subsections of one article
@Ginger Why would it suck to categorize?
21:32
in the timeline we should just write P4C5.1 for example
@Ginger But then the infoboxes would be a nightmare
the infoboxes are much easier!
Wikipedia even has infoboxes in subsections
Oh okay we can do that then
multiple articles are more confusing for the reader and more annoying for editors
cool
we'll need profile images for the characters, btw :p
it really annoys me that chrome canvas can't do transparent backgrounds
> Jo King is the third mod at the start of the original comic's plot
yall forgot Dennis :P
21:43
I'm not sure where P4C5 fits into the chronology
right after ginger destroyed CR
@Seggan Yeah I didn't include P4C5 in that article since I hadn't reread it yet
There's lots that'll need to be changed to accommodate it
E.g., Seggan and Steffan each have a mod diamond an additional time
mwahahaha we changed the continuity a ton :P
Okay so it has to take place after the capitol battle and before ginger is nuked
@RydwolfPrograms right after P3C3 that is
(which is the CR destruction one)
21:46
It has to take place before P4C1
So I guess P4C1 happens during the second conquest
Actually yeah that makes sense
rydwolf, do you want to make portraits or should I do it
does anything happen during the first conquest and after mathcat gets nitro?
@Ginger I'd just crop parts out of the comics
@Seggan I don't believe so
don wanna :(
I'll do it then
I'm working on the timeline rn tho
21:51
I made my own, you can do the rest
my ears are surprisingly annoying to get right lmao
what
oh, it's from Commons
@RydwolfPrograms ive edited the mod article
I know at one point I wrote some code to take all of my partial timelines and merge them into one timeline but I can't find it :|
I guess I'll have to redo all that work
22:11
new chapter?
woopsies!
also can you please edit the CSS do that links dont be purple?
GINGER WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
what did I do?
22:15
wait wat
never mind, sorry
seems fine to me :p
👀
recursive??
@RydwolfPrograms by "introduced" and "died" do you mean the chapters where that happened?
22:20
@Ginger yeah
(I'm writing docs for the template)
alrighty
is he jo king
22:33
@Ginger you are powerless :P
woops! thought I filled that in
*absorbs crystal*
laaaaaaame
that was entirely talking :b
22:37
"show, dont tell"
yknow what would be nice? a "mass image upload" userscript
that could upload images sequentially and stay above the ratelimit
S2P1C5
@Ginger yeah, tho tbf it's not the ratelimit getting me, I'm just uploading as I draw
@Ginger There's an important rule in action movies, you gotta intermix the action with backstory, otherwise the action doesn't feel as exciting :p
@RydwolfPrograms what happened here?
Also this backstory serves double duty which is how I justified so much talking to myself
@Ginger You may recall a similar scene earlier in the comic :p
:3c
@RydwolfPrograms somewhat, yes :p
22:42
boom boom canadian cia ontario fridge?
Well, it may or may not be the same place :p
wait no ginger is presumed dead
so what did you have in mind regarding sassy quotes
I had one but I'm forgetting it rn
(chapter explanation just in case: this is just prior to Jo King discovering Ginger in P2C2)
> lyxal: I run a bit of an...organization
22:46
(that portal is the same one Jo King used in P1C3/P3C2.2 to blow up Ginger)
i love how the subtitle is different from the comic text :P
Oh it's just misaligned lol
That's the next panel
oh lol
Vyxal corp is canon tho :p
we now have Template:Quote, do with it as you will
22:48
:D
@RydwolfPrograms also I'm really proud of this frame lol
the perspective, the partial radioactivity, the lore, I just really like it lol
lemme add docs, since apparently the original didn't include them
oop gotta go now for a webinar for some college stuff tho o/
23:09
@RydwolfPrograms what exactly is that in the middle of the frame?
can't tell
Lyxal's fridge, surrounded by blast/burn marks

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