TNB Conlang (katlani)

DLosc

23:00

Why not hada mi pat komy sus?

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms oh I misunderstood :|

Redwolf Programs

Because I forgot to write "mi" and didn't bother going back to fix it lol

And to put more emphasis on the pat komy sus than the mi

DLosc

(Also, when I look at pat my brain translates it as "þat" and pronounces it like English "that")

Redwolf Programs

We can change it

Ginger Industries

hada pat mi "sus" ta o. hada mi "aaaaa"!

DLosc

23:02

@RedwolfPrograms "'The monkey is sus!' said I."

Ginger Industries

@GingerIndustries wait that's the first 2-sentence post!

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Your cat said that you are (in quotes) "sus"

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms yup. And I screamed.

Unrelated String

`sus`
> subject (accusative)
`lia mi` :/

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Wait hang on, we'd need pas

DLosc

23:03

hada o my mi "fy fobl lia mi su ktomish" :P

Ginger Industries

@DLosc what

Redwolf Programs

pas hada o my Ginger pat nimak sus

DLosc

(using the future tense as a stand-in for the imperative because I think we haven't decided on imperative syntax yet)

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms I am a cat now?

DLosc

@GingerIndustries Should be "My cat said, 'You will give me food.'"

Redwolf Programs

23:04

o my Ginger means "Ginger's cat"

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms oh

Redwolf Programs

(What I said translates to "Ginger's cat said they're sus")

Dang, I used up all my stars

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms ah

Unrelated String

baka

DLosc

WR: iz (v.): to bite

Redwolf Programs

23:06

sy gust

Ginger Industries

@UnrelatedString sus Unrelated String

Redwolf Programs

iz mi su ktomish my mi

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms I bite my food

do we have a word for "and"?

DLosc

pas iz o my mi su mi. mi nopoi. :(

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Wait no that means "my food bites" lol

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:07

I have a very inconvenient idea for changing all of the pronouns

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Not yet

Fire ahead if you want to make one

DLosc

Proposal: "and" should be similar to "too"

Redwolf Programs

^

DLosc

(which is ama)

Redwolf Programs

Maybe ata or something?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:07

ma = me, mai = we (non-inclusive), ka = you, makai = we (inclusive)

Ginger Industries

what about "is"?

Unrelated String

iz тоже mi su ktomish my mi

DLosc

@Wezl-acautionarytale and kai = you plural?

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries What about it?

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms what is it?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:08

@DLosc and is common enough that it can be a

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale I think we'd decided makai and inclusive we are going to be different

Although we could probably undo that

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@DLosc yeah, forgot that

@RedwolfPrograms we also decided what me and you would be

so feel free to disregard my idea

Redwolf Programs

I support your changes though

DLosc

Yeah, I particularly like the inclusive "we" being "I" plus "y'all"

Redwolf Programs

ma for I, mai for one of the us's, ka for you, kai for y'all

Ginger Industries

23:09

su o my mi my kromish

Unrelated String

okay seriously what is the deal with "subject (accusative)"

Redwolf Programs

Typo

grandBagel

WR: gorlb: apple

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries is it just me or is there no verb?

Ginger Industries

@grandBagel o my mi su gorlb

DLosc

23:10

@UnrelatedString тоже?

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms I was trying to say My cat is my food

Unrelated String

gratuitous russian lmao

Ginger Industries

@DLosc It means "death star"

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries si o my mi su ktomish my mi

grandBagel

@GingerIndustries translation?

@RedwolfPrograms translation?

Ginger Industries

23:11

what does si mean

Redwolf Programs

Is

Ginger Industries

got it

Redwolf Programs

If you want to say one thing is another, you use si [thing1] su [thing2]

DLosc

(or "am" or "are")

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms nice

DLosc

23:12

si mi su o = "I am a cat"

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms oh I like how si, a common verb, fits with su

Redwolf Programs

si ktomish my ka su y poi: Your food is a nice thing

A compliment I guess?

Ginger Industries

si makai su gorlb

DLosc

@UnrelatedString Ah, it's "also"?

Redwolf Programs

If makai is now inclusive-us, what's maka?

Ginger Industries

23:14

@RedwolfPrograms typo

Redwolf Programs

mako's not a thing either, it's mak for person

Unrelated String

yeah

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Logically, it would be "I and you (singular)"

Ginger Industries

Doscs say makai is all people in the discussion and mako is someone

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc Ooh, I like that

Could be used between close friends and stuff

Unrelated String

23:15

would make it an odd greeting

Ginger Industries

si maka su gorlb

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Or if you want to fight someone

DLosc

@UnrelatedString "What's up, us?"

3

Redwolf Programs

"Let's you and I fight"

Ginger Industries

@DLosc gollum be like

DLosc

23:16

@GingerIndustries Uh what

Ginger Industries

@DLosc "we are apples"

Redwolf Programs

Wouldn't it be gorlbi?

DLosc

^

Although "we are apples" isn't much more sensical than the original "we are an apple"

Redwolf Programs

So, we now have all the first and second pronouns, right?

Ginger Industries

@DLosc both work

Redwolf Programs

23:17

For third person we were going to do an animacy distinction, right?

("it" vs. "he/she/they" for non-linguists)

Unrelated String

si hiya my makai fy lia ktomin opbi - all hail the great devourer?

Redwolf Programs

I love how "animacy classes" autocompletes to "animacy classes near me"

5

Wezl - a cautionary tale

sy gust

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Well, we do have nimak and pasmak already--don't know how well those map to being personal pronouns or if we want to consider them as a separate category of demonstratives

Redwolf Programs

Probably demonstratives

Ginger Industries

23:19

@UnrelatedString opbi?

Unrelated String

emphatic opb?

isn't plural marking on adjectives for emphasis a thing

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms HOT ANIMACY CLASSES IN YOUR AREA

DLosc

@UnrelatedString Yep

I forgot about opb

Redwolf Programs

Since nimak and pasmak have mak in the name, we should probably have different ones for inanimate objects

ni[]y and pas[]y, where [] is some consonant

DLosc

@UnrelatedString Is -in going to be an agent suffix, then?

Ginger Industries

23:21

what is opb?

DLosc

4 hours ago, by grandBagel

WR: opb (adjectives): Big

Ginger Industries

oh right

Unrelated String

we have susin already (granted it's an adjective which i kind of forgot)

Redwolf Programs

Wait isn't it a verb?

DLosc

^

The adjective is sus

haia user

Unrelated String

23:21

oh so that was revised since the last commit then

Redwolf Programs

niry and pasy should be the inanimate versions of nimak and pasmak, since y means "thing"

or should we have a more specific inanimate-only y

DLosc

Hm, can y refer to people as well?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms sy gust

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, I'd say so

Ginger Industries

brb :)

Redwolf Programs

23:23

y exists solely to mean any noun

DLosc

True

Ginger Industries

biya!

Redwolf Programs

o/

So perhaps ny for inanimate objects?

Which would lead to niny and pasny

DLosc

Sounds good to me

Redwolf Programs

What was our word to refer to any person in general?

DLosc

23:24

mak, wasn't it?

Redwolf Programs

I thought that was the word "person", not a pronoun

DLosc

Oh

Redwolf Programs

I'm trying to figure out how to say [anyone] no gust

DLosc

Are you looking for this:

1 hour ago, by Ginger Industries

WR: mako (pr): Someone

Redwolf Programs

Oh I didn't realize that word was a thing

(Well, a person ;p)

DLosc

23:26

Words are people?

(Would make for a fun wrinkle to the animacy hierarchy)

Redwolf Programs

WR: sos (adj): None in particular; any

Unrelated String

how do we break down sy/no gust again, grammatically

Redwolf Programs

It's an idiom

Unrelated String

polarity particle preceding the verb or

Redwolf Programs

gust is pretty irregular, it was suggested before we actually had verbs or anything

Unrelated String

23:27

mmm

DLosc

I think you could analyze gust as an interjection, in which case it roughly glosses to "Yes, awesome!" or "Not awesome!"

Redwolf Programs

^

user

Okay I'm too lazy to read the transcript properly but can we add variables?

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms So mak sos would mean "anyone", y sos would mean anything, o sos would mean "some cat", etc.

@user Well, we're just now getting to third person pronouns, so possibly

user

Yay!

DLosc

23:28

@user We sort of have that with nimak/niny and pasmak/pasny. It's just two so far, but we could add more

user

Also, I'm very happy with the inclusive we being separate

Unrelated String

clusivity is based

DLosc

@user sy, makai poii :3

Redwolf Programs

Getting used to ma instead of mi's gonna take some time

Wezl - a cautionary tale

does nosos mean anything?

user

23:29

@DLosc Translation please? lol

DLosc

@user "Yes, we all are very happy"

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale No, but if you want it to then propose it :p

WR: niny (pn): The last thing mentioned

user

@DLosc Ah, very cool

@RedwolfPrograms Does "thing" refer to objects/concepts/sentences/all of the above?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

nosos could be nothing ig

Redwolf Programs

WR: pasny (pr): The second to last thing mentioned

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:31

or every

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale Or "no" as in "no person can survive this"

user

@RedwolfPrograms I thought DLosc just said that was taken?

Redwolf Programs

It is, I'm just adding it to our formal list

Wezl - a cautionary tale

yeah nothing or nobody

user

Ah I see

Redwolf Programs

23:32

ktom ma su mak nosos: I eat nobody

Unrelated String

sure

Redwolf Programs

no ktom ma su mak sos: I don't eat anybody

user

Is there a gist or something someone's maintaining? I need to catch up lol

@RedwolfPrograms sus

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms iz o izl su mak sos

Redwolf Programs

We have a GH thingy yeah

user

23:33

@RedwolfPrograms o is cat? :o

Redwolf Programs

Yep :D

Shows where our priorities lie lol

user

This language seems highly optimized for Redwolf lol

DLosc

@user You can invent the word for "dog" if you want--we haven't gotten there yet

Redwolf Programs

WR (old): a (conj): And

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@user github.com/tnb-conlang/tnb-conlang/blob/…

user

23:34

WR: doge to mean "dog"

@Wezl-acautionarytale Danke

DLosc

@user Except we don't have the letter e

user

Okay this is most certainly Redwolf-focused :P

2

o and i for cats? That is too much

Wezl - a cautionary tale

there was a vote

Redwolf Programs

Actually cats is oi

user

Like, how often are cats to be mentioned?

DLosc

23:35

@user The i is outdated

user

@RedwolfPrograms You has typo

DLosc

@user As often as practical

Redwolf Programs

We needed some good words to use for examples, and Wezl suggested o being cat

DLosc

@user Maybe dogo?

Redwolf Programs

Ooh sy gust

user

23:36

@DLosc Ooh nice

Wezl - a cautionary tale

how about a homograph with the existing definition of vaiksal :P

no dogo is good

DLosc

WR: kun (adj.): cute, pretty, good-looking

Wezl - a cautionary tale

is "dogo" poi how you would say that?

user

WR: ~~muy~~ mui (adv.) Very

Wezl - a cautionary tale

no wait poi is happy

Redwolf Programs

23:37

@user y isn't pronounced like i in this language

WR: oto (v): To own something

oto ma su o kun: I own a cute cat

user

@RedwolfPrograms Better?

lyxal

@pxeger this is so sad I cry every time

Redwolf Programs

oto ma su o mui kun: I own a very cute cat

DLosc

@user Yep! sy gust

Redwolf Programs

Wait...mui has an i, so is mu a weaker mui?

user

23:39

@RedwolfPrograms no gust

Redwolf Programs

Wait, we don't need mui at all

DLosc

Hmm

Redwolf Programs

Our adjectives have that built in

user

Whoops, maybe something else then

Redwolf Programs

kuni is mui kun

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:39

@lyxal si Lyxal su nopoii

user

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh, how doe sit work

Redwolf Programs

Adding an i to an adjective makes it more so

user

sy gusti?

Redwolf Programs

gust is more of an interjection

user

sy gust i?

Unrelated String

23:40

i feel like it may as well be a verb

user

^

Redwolf Programs

But it works nothing like our verbs

user

I like

Unrelated String

for the sake of not having a different verb for liking things

DLosc

It could be an impersonal verb maybe

user

23:40

This is like Python 2 having print be a statement

DLosc

Like "it's raining" but without needing the "it"

Redwolf Programs

sy gust is purely an interjection; it's like saying awesome is a dupe of like in english

DLosc

But "awesome" is also an adjective, so there's nothing stopping gust from being used as a different part of speech in other contexts

Niko

is meow a language(a more natural one i suppose)

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc I like this, if our verb for rain was ran, then you could just say ni ran to say "it's raining"

Or ran on its own to say "it rains" a bit more generally, I guess

DLosc

23:42

Agreed, but I want to propose a different word

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, ran's an example

Unrelated String

we don't have demonstratives other than the nth-person pronouns right

Wezl - a cautionary tale

niladic functions :)

DLosc

WR: pluvyt (v.): to rain (impersonal verb, doesn't need a subject)

Redwolf Programs

sy gust :D

user

23:43

Heavy European influence here :P

DLosc

True

Unrelated String

maybe we could have at for that

and a verb gus for to like

and then reanalyze gust as gus 't

user

I like the general shortness of the words, although it may come back to bite us later

DLosc

@user Always open to good non-European vocab suggestions (and grammar, too)

Redwolf Programs

I like gust how it is now

I like gus as a verb, too

user

23:44

@UnrelatedString Can we please not have contractions? I kinda find them annoying

Redwolf Programs

But gust should really stay how it is I think

We can give it more meanings, but recontextualizing the current use seems like a bad idea

Wezl - a cautionary tale

gus ma su "gus"

Redwolf Programs

WR: gus (v): To like

DLosc

gus ma su oi

Redwolf Programs

ma ama

user

23:45

WR: gus (noun): Ghee Buttersnaps

Wezl - a cautionary tale

no gus oi su mak sos

Redwolf Programs

no si ka su ka, si ka su kaka

An insult :p

DLosc

@Wezl-acautionarytale "Cats don't like anybody"?

user

Welp I didn't even understand :P

@DLosc "Nobody likes cats?"

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms you are not you, you are youyou?

Unrelated String

23:47

perhaps the feelings are mutual

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@DLosc yes

user

Hmm, bidirectional verbs would be cool

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale In spanish, caca (kaka) translates to "poop" informally

user

"each other" but nicer syntax

Wezl - a cautionary tale

katlani is now backwards-compatible with spanish

user

23:48

nos hablos espanol?

Redwolf Programs

Just a bit of wordplay :p

Wezl - a cautionary tale

all spanish can be used now

there are no bounds

Redwolf Programs

no gust lol

DLosc

@user The verb (no gus) comes first; the subject (oi) is unmarked (or it can be marked with ta); and the direct object (mak sos) is marked with su

user

Ah, cool

ASCII-only

23:49

ok wth did i stumble into

user

caca

Redwolf Programs

Welcome to the first 24h of our conlang lol

Wezl - a cautionary tale

oi izl: cats are bitey

Unrelated String

the cloŋ

Wezl - a cautionary tale

yes, bitey is one of the first words to learn

finger-bitey more specifically

Redwolf Programs

23:50

oi izl, komyri izli: cats are bitey, [but] monkeys are very bitey

Wezl - a cautionary tale

CMC: give yourself a katlani name

Redwolf Programs

no maki izl

user

Request: Something like parentheses (but spoken) e.g. foo (bar baz) -> foo opa bar baz cloz

@Wezl-acautionarytale Bob

ASCII-only

@user bruh

DLosc

WR: ktaf (n.): book

Redwolf Programs

23:51

sy gust!

Unrelated String

do we noun verbs yet

user

kt is a bit hard to pronounce

Maybe kitaf?

Redwolf Programs

There's an unspoken schwa

DLosc

I've been putting a schwa in between the k and the t

ASCII-only

if we have spoken parens it won't be long before katlani becomes a programming language... o_o

user

23:52

This chat room is on a programming site, what did you expect? :P

ASCII-only

well i mean

user

As bad as spoken parentheses are, it's better than just using pauses like English does

ASCII-only

if that's what you're going for, why not make a loglang

Redwolf Programs

WR: partshana (v): To read

(tsh is ch)

ASCII-only

with 256 different syllables

user

23:53

Err, English users may not be too happy with that

Wezl - a cautionary tale

what was this again for not persons?

DLosc

^^

Redwolf Programs

Okay yeah it doesn't look how it should sound lol

ASCII-only

also also at this rate i'm guessing there will be 10,000 words by tomorrow

Redwolf Programs

There, new word

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:54

@Wezl-acautionarytale my name is y izl, or a "finger-biting thing"

DLosc

@Wezl-acautionarytale dilosk

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale Radvylf

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh, sy gust!

Sounds vaguely Persian or something

Redwolf Programs

pas partshana ma su ktafii

user

Can we add clicking btw? Clicking is cool

Wezl - a cautionary tale

23:55

y izl is pronounce oo-easle, which is conveniently close to how I pronounce Wezl

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms ma ama :D

Wezl - a cautionary tale

too conveniently. Maybe there was a reason I chose izl as finger-bitey ;P

DLosc

@user It is... I think the sound system is pretty set now, tho

Redwolf Programs

WR: borb (intj): Be right back

borb

Wezl - a cautionary tale

how about we add verbs, then create acronyms from those

ASCII-only

23:56

offtopic: surely it'd help having a hackmd with a categorized vocab list

Wezl - a cautionary tale

fy si ma: I will be

user

@RedwolfPrograms Mmm, I think we could just have separate words for this

Redwolf Programs

Okay fine

user

I just don't want to bog the vocab down with shortcuts for stuff when we should get the most general/commonly used stuff out of the way first

Redwolf Programs

WR: isa (n): Here

DLosc

23:57

@RedwolfPrograms si mai su borg. fy [assimilate] su kai.

Ginger Industries

hiya!

Redwolf Programs

Haia!

Ginger Industries

what have I missed?

I'm guessing more words

Redwolf Programs

Lots of more words :p

DLosc

sy

Redwolf Programs

23:58

lanii

Ginger Industries

;-;

I get to write them all down now

can I have a list with definitions please?

Unrelated String

do we have particles for like
location
yet

Redwolf Programs

We should make a thing that auto-parses WRs

user

@GingerIndustries github.com/tnb-conlang/tnb-conlang/blob/…

Ginger Industries

:/

user

23:59

@RedwolfPrograms Or we could just put them directly into a HackMD thingy manually

Ginger Industries

@user I meant the new ones

to put in that list

ASCII-only

just search WR using the search bar

i guess

DLosc

Any objections to HackMD? I think that might be a better solution than having Ginger maintain everything

Ginger Industries

alrighty

@DLosc ;-;

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