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lyxal

04:14

I'm glad to see you added some of the things like i in the quick lambdas and an iF parameter in create_chain

makes things a little easier

now to figure out how to account for train seperators

PyGamer0

how does jelly do it?

lyxal

with regex

PyGamer0

o-o

wha

lyxal

arity, start, isForward = chain_separators.get(word[:1], default_chain_separation)
for token in regex_token.findall(start + word):

that allows it to get the chain separator + the stuff that chain separator applies to in one go

we don't exactly have that kind of thing yet

which is what I'm going to work on

because I added parsing for quicks

I think the way to do it is to split the token list on newline tokens

and then split each resulting sublist on chain separators

PyGamer0

@lyxal why doesnt black recognise that line length is 88?

lyxal

04:23

because I leave my auto-format on 80

PyGamer0

i like 88 lol

maybe you use a large font or something

lyxal

I'm making a workflow action to automatically format on push

PyGamer0

ok cool

@lyxal i think you are done?

lyxal

looks like it

so now at least when pushing to main, it'll format my PRs that use line length 80

PyGamer0

ok it should work on all branches right?

lyxal

04:34

I don't know exactly.

but perhaps

I haven't tested it on different branches

PyGamer0

do a dummy commit and find out

lyxal

nice it works on any branch

looks like my line length doesn't matter anymore

PyGamer0

great

nice branch name btw lol

lyxal

it's a 4chan creepypasta lol

PyGamer0

i think add diagraphs and the lexer branch can be deleted??

lyxal

04:41

sure

lyxal

05:06

oh boy that sure was an interesting experience

can I just say, frick you Dennis for using regex and making things harder to understand

you may be wondering why the workflow didn't update the parser branch

that's because the parser branch doesn't have the workflow yet

and it won't because there won't be any main into parser

it'll format it on merging

@PyGamer0 the parser is done btw

although I don't know if it handles г properly

because I wasn't able to determine how Jelly handles )

PyGamer0

05:28

@lyxal pog

lyxal

idk if you should merge it yet

I'm discussing how Jelly handles ) internally with hyper to figure out how to handle г

what does г even do?

PyGamer0

@lyxal same thing as )

i just yoinked it

lyxal

is ¨ just €?

PyGamer0

yeah

lyxal

okay г is now handled

    if arity == 1 and subtrain[0][1] == "г":
        subtrain.insert(1, [TOKEN_TYPE.QUICK, "¨"])

that's how it's being done

PyGamer0

05:34

lyxal

seeing as how µ¨ and г are equivalent, I might as well just make it logically so

PyGamer0

dont merge yet

lyxal

i'm not

PyGamer0

ARGH MY FRIENDS ARE CALLING ME TO PLAY

lyxal

have fun

I'mma go do something else anyway

which totally doesn't mean planning and drafting potential specs for a new esolang

which i totally didn't think of at 1am in the morning trying to get to sleep

PyGamer0

05:37

lmao

ok bye

PyGamer0

06:27

ok i am back

cause playing is boring in the morning

@lyxal is г implemented properly?

PyGamer0

06:41

list support is now added to the parser

amazing

ok so parser works

lyxal

@PyGamer0 I think so

PyGamer0

@PyGamer0 as you can see, [1 2 'hello world' [5 [7 'strings go brr']]] are valid lists

ok @lyxal i think now we just need to interpret?

lyxal

06:57

Correct

And it's already half done

PyGamer0

half done?

i think the gluing need to be done in main.py

cause

[tool.poetry.scripts]
flax = "flax.main:run"

@lyxal should i merge #7?

lyxal

Yes

You should

PyGamer0

07:12

done

lyxal

Good.

So a totally different question: in your opinion, how is flax different than Jelly?

Asking because I'm starting to think of long term "marketing" for a lack of better words

In order to draw in new users, flax is going to have to present itself as something non-trivially different than Jelly

PyGamer0

@lyxal hmm, not very different

@lyxal wdym

lyxal

07:29

@PyGamer0 when presented with a choice of tacit golfing languages, people are gonna just go to jelly if flax doesn't have any major differences

Why? Because you've got TNB heavyweights promoting Jelly whenever anyone asks what languages to learn

PyGamer0

lol yeah

lyxal

That's not to say popularity is impossible or an unreasonable goal

It's just that the metaphorical deck is stacked against us

I'd say the biggest advantage flax has over jelly is that flax is actively being developed

PyGamer0

we have LoTM and LYALFGG

@lyxal yeah

lyxal

There's a major backlog of issues and PRs over on jelly that probably won't be resolved for a while because of Dennis' inactivity

Meaning that you can make the changes people want in jelly in flax

I'd recommend looking at caird's jelly fork

PyGamer0

07:44

@lyxal i saw that

ill go and see it again

lyxal

Because caird has added features that they feel would significantly improve jelly

And caird knows the language fairly well

PyGamer0

and start using issues as todo lists

lyxal

It'd also be worth asking people like hyper and unrelated string what they wish was in jelly

Get the complaints of the dominant users and turn them into features

PyGamer0

do i ask that in TNB or JHT?

lyxal

Good question

I'd need to think about that

It'd have to be done in the right place

Maybe discord?

I don't know yet.

PyGamer0

07:47

@lyxal no

lyxal

@PyGamer0 those will indeed help with "promotion" but general perception outside of those is what makes the difference

@PyGamer0 fair enough

I might ask sometime in the next few days

In TNB probably

I may be taking this too seriously, but I'd like to see flax do well

PyGamer0

ah but first lets implement more jelly elements

lyxal

Of course

Get everything in order before spreading into the big wide world

This is all more long term stuff

PyGamer0

the hard question is which elements

lyxal

The language needs to actually be finished before anything else

PyGamer0

07:50

also i have a bunch of codepage

@lyxal yeah

lets finish v0.1.0, so that its usable

we will depend on ato for the online interpreter :)

meanwhile ill do my project about shylock and Antonio

lyxal

Lynn's remarks here are good

@PyGamer0 oh boy that brings back memories

I studied in my final year of high school

PyGamer0

@lyxal you also had merchant of Venice?

lyxal

@PyGamer0 the verchant of menice is what I called it

But yes, I had to write several essays on it

Anyhow I gotta go for a few hours

PyGamer0

flax is doing wayyyyy better than dinoux

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