Winter Bash 2021

Wolgwang

07:01

@Slate And now I laugh for my ignorance:

Maybe according to hat...there are two hands so two such comments. What do you think guys??

Eran

@Wolgwang I think you should clarify the trigger in the hats post, to make it clear the comments should be posted under two different first posts (assuming that's the case)

Ankit Sharma

0

Q: Suggestions for Winter Bash 2022

Winter Bash 2021 is going on right now and will end in some time, so why not use the opportunity to gather ideas/suggestions/corrections for next year? Please post your suggestions regarding how to make Winter Bash 2022 even more fun than the previous Winter Bashes. New suggestions for hats and h...

Slate

That is one of the ones I was referring to where I said, someone literally said the trigger and just didn't ask for confirmation.

;)

Wolgwang

Meh small brain

Slate

It's understandable. Lotta guesses flying around.

CinCout

07:03

@Slate i know right

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang can you elabprate

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Hmm what?

Ankit Sharma

> Maybe according to hat...there are two hands so two such comments. What do you think guys??
which hat

Wolgwang

9 mins ago, by Wolgwang

@Slate Helping hands: Post two positively scored comments under a users' first post and the OP edits the question after the comments?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang oh ok

Wolgwang

07:06

@Slate Meh small brain. Asks for the confirmation but removes the important element just after that comment:

Dec 17 at 18:41, by Wolgwang

@Slate @Slate Helping hands: Post two positively scored comments under a users' first post ? This matches with the another user on math.SE...and only two users have this.

Slate

LOL. Oops!

Wolgwang

So only two hats of that chain remaining now...Helping arm and helping heart... Helping heart seems difficult...

Eran

One of them probably requires answering the question

Wolgwang

@Eran Helping arm doesn't according to observation...

1 hour ago, by Wolgwang

Just came across a user with only 4 comments and helping arm. https://math.stackexchange.com/users/43239/clayton

Eran

@Wolgwang that user also has one answer

Wolgwang

07:18

@Eran But not on new contributor's question also a user Bobble have the hat but ~~no answer~~ no positive answer...

And community has that hat:

math.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community

kesarling He-Him

Hey! Um... if a particular hat requires voting, and that voting gets reversed, maybe due to serial voting frauds or something similar, are the hats which have been earned and depend on that vote lost?

Wolgwang

Dec 18 at 5:30, by Slate

That said, not much to do if someone's awarded a hat and then the trigger is later deleted. (Or worse, what if the trigger is deletion? Lol.)

kesarling He-Him

thenks :D

Wolgwang

07:46

@Slate I meant that if an answer is edited( and the user get the one burried hat) and then the question (not answer) is upvoted then it triggers two burried hat. Is this the stipulation?

Wolgwang

08:01

Ignore this ^

I meant that if an answer is edited( and the user get the one burried hat) and then the answer (not question) is upvoted then it triggers two burried hat. Is this the stipulation?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Thanks for the find!!

at 16

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang and the upvote from the editor isn't included

SPArcheon

08:31

@Slate - Is "Slow Trickle" trigger "get ten upvotes on an answer (or a generic post) over the course of at least 6(to 8?) days (or something very similar)"?

Basically - get 10 votes but you can't get them "too fast"... ?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

08:50

Any idea about Cleanup hat?

buddemat

@12944qwerty Yes, you can get Spotting Scope with < 3K rep, since I got it. I assume I got it by flagging NAA which in my understanding also has the effect of a close vote? So my guess would be that you get it after a question you cast the (first?) close vote on actually is closed. @YaakovEllis can you confirm?

Or multiple ones

SPArcheon

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward not up to date with what you have already tried but... Based on old triggers...

Either a post that gets # upvotes after an edit that improves it or deleting a lot of old comments

Deleting old comments is quite old as a trigger and I don't think they reused it recently so I don't see that as very probable

CinCout

@buddemat rep has nothing to do with it

SPArcheon

"Cleaning up a question/answer" and get it upvotes seems more fitting.

CinCout

@SPArcheon define cleaning up?

buddemat

08:55

@CinCout That's what I said. I was just replying to someone who suggested that it may not be possible to get the hat with less than 3K rep

SPArcheon

@CinCout probably something about editing the question and turning a trend over

Like - was getting downvoted, after the edit it gets # upvotes.

Wolgwang

@SPArcheon But two burried pennies is already for that...

Either a post that gets # upvotes

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Is Yaakov back yet!!

CinCout

how about deleting a number of non-voted comments made during WB?

or maybe deleting upvoted comments?

Luuklag

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward its still 21 december, so no.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

08:57

Ah

Wolgwang

Can someone temporary (for 5 minutes) upvote this comment? (Test for helping arm)

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Done

CinCout

done

Luuklag

done

CinCout

can i get a uv here? stackoverflow.com/q/70379610/2912665

Wolgwang

09:02

3 hours ago, by Wolgwang

Just came across a user with only 4 comments and helping arm. https://math.stackexchange.com/users/43239/clayton

I should get the hat. 🤞

CinCout

@Wolgwang figured out the trigger?

Wolgwang

Nah!

BTW I upvoted 3 edited(single penny burried) post and all three users got the two pennies burried hat...

CinCout

single penny is also not confirmed na?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Got an idea for Cleanup!

Lemme test it

Wolgwang

@CinCout Yes

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward What idea?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

09:12

@Wolgwang rollback a post inactive for 6 months

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang Failed!!!!!! :-/ You can revert your votes.

Mithical

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Uuuhhh... please don't roll back legitimate edits

Luuklag

@Mithical use the MSE sandbox

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Nah!

View Catija's profile cooking.stackexchange.com/users/33128/catija?tab=activity

No edits/comment other actions...

Can someone temporary (for 5 minutes) upvote these questions? (Test for helping arm) :-/

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

done

Wolgwang

09:36

Negative. Please revert the votes. They are PSQ.

:-/

Aaron

10:26

@Catija @YaakovEllis A guess at Spotting Scope: Cast the first reopen vote on a question later reopened and provide a good answer (and accepted?)

CinCout

@Aaron no way

Aaron

@CinCout Why not?

Luuklag

@Aaron no that isn't it. I have the hat, but haven't reopened a question, nor answered one

Its related to closing

Aaron

@Luuklag Hmm... I don't see where closing would be related to a question I was involved in — except in straightforward ways, probably not hat-worthy. Will have to dig deeper...

@Luuklag Maybe something about answering a question that was migrated to another site?

Luuklag

@Aaron no, it has to do something with flagging or close voting a question

Aaron

10:40

@Luuklag Maybe the two combined: flag a question that gets migrated, then provide an (accepted) answer? Oh, you said you hadn't provided answers. So maybe just flagging a question that gets migrated?

Gotta run. Will check in later.

Luuklag

no, migration is also not in the loop here

closure is

Slate

10:55

@SPArcheon Good thought. Kind of. You're on the right track.

@Wolgwang Not sure I understand, but if I'm understanding my understanding, then that is not it

Luuklag

@Slate does spotting scope require you to be first on something?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

11:28

24 hats wtf

Ankit Sharma

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward I am keeping an eye O.o

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

haha

Ankit Sharma

I tried but not working, now resting

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Hypothesis for Cleanup: relating to chat

@Slate Hope I am on the right track :)

Ankit Sharma

11:44

For 44 hat self answer counts???

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Prolly

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward I don't think so :-/

Ankit Sharma

Is this bug or a feature

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Catija got it on Cooking SE without any action on the site

Luuklag

@AnkitSharma what is?

Ankit Sharma

11:52

@Luuklag see red dot and see 0 count in list

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward then I might get it

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Ah

Luuklag

@AnkitSharma no, not a bug. Blame caching

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

How do you get Quadalogue?

CDJB

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward I'm still in the 'Trialogue + upvoted to a certain level' camp.

Ankit Sharma

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward no idea but I got somehow

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

12:03

@CDJB Ah

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Maybe review...

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Even checked review

none

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward How did she get it on Movies and tv tgen ?

@AnkitSharma Is there some deleted answer in the glare hat question?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

I say it's chat, surely

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Why do you think so?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

12:10

no actions on those 2 sites with cleanup

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang I don't think so

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

for @Catija

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Can we see CVs of other? O_o

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@AnkitSharma You got one more hat!

Which>

Ankit Sharma

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Matryoshka

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

12:13

Nice

Wolgwang

I can't find users with cleanup hat...

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

richardec

Catija

Wolgwang

and ...?

buddemat

13:46

@Aaron I don't think it has to do with reopen votes, I did not cast any and still got Spotting Scope

12944qwerty

14:34

I got matryoshka

no idea how

Luuklag

@12944qwerty isn't that trigger already known?

12944qwerty

yeah just saw

Luuklag

@Slate here it is confirmed

12944qwerty

i just woke up too

yeah

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Good morning!

HELPING HEART doesn't seem to be related to positive comments...

This user doesn't have a single positive score comments and has the Helping heart hat...

Luuklag

14:43

@Wolgwang could since be deleted?

12944qwerty

14:56

did i miss so many trigger identifications?

helping hand got found too

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Nah only 2

12944qwerty

that's a lot than the past two days

Wolgwang

@Luuklag ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

12944qwerty

@Wolgwang what about answers?

I suggested answer related one yesterday, maybe it was for heart or arm instead of hand

Wolgwang

15:11

@12944qwerty hmm what?

12944qwerty

Like posting a certain number of answers under a user's first post?

Maybe they need to get accepted too?

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Helping arm?

12944qwerty

of heart

either one

just ping a staff with every combination possible XD

Wolgwang

8 hours ago, by Wolgwang

And community has that hat:

12944qwerty

helping arm may be related to comments?

or edits?

new post edits with positive feedback?

Wolgwang

15:18

@12944qwerty Tried that but nope :-/

6 hours ago, by Wolgwang

@Wolgwang Failed!!!!!! :-/ You can revert your votes.

CDJB

I think helping arm is a comment on a new user's post that is then edited and goes on to attain a certain number of upvotes

Based on the fact that everyone commenting on this question got the hat politics.stackexchange.com/questions/70023

12944qwerty

the post?

does it have to be a question or a hat

so zero votes, commented, then edited post, then post gets upvotes?

CDJB

I don't know about zero votes

Wolgwang

@CDJB Nice observation!

CDJB

@Slate Helping Arm: Comment on a new user's post that is then edited and goes on to receive a net score of 10+?

Wolgwang

15:22

10+ is too high IMO

12944qwerty

yeah ^

maybe 5+

CDJB

Well hopefully Slate will let us know if that's close anyway

Wolgwang

@CDJB I think it is 3. Take a look here

It can be verified if this recieves one more upvote (temporary for 5 minutes)...

12944qwerty

does helping finger/hand need a certain number of upvotes?

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Positive score on comments.

12944qwerty

15:28

yeah, like at least 1 or at least 5?

Eran

@12944qwerty I got helping hand with two comments (on two questions) having 1 vote each.

12944qwerty

ok

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang Please

12944qwerty

done

that post isn't that's user's first question though @Wolgwang

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Upvote on question...

12944qwerty

15:34

done

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty 'New contributor'

༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

12944qwerty

? did it work

did we get spotting scope? or any closer on getting it?

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty Nope...maybe mine vote isn't included...

12944qwerty

16:03

maybe

Slate

@Luuklag Only responding to full guesses, at the moment, personally :)

@CDJB Nope

Wolgwang

@Slate Helping Arm: Comment on a new user's post that is then edited and goes on to receive a net score of 3+

Slate

16:24

@Wolgwang Very, very good guess - debating how much of a jerk I want to be about this one... hahah. Dial in the score, you're very close.

Wolgwang

That was not a guess ಠ︵ಠ

CDJB

@Slate Helping Arm: Comment on a new user's post that is then edited and goes on to receive a net score of 5+

:P

Slate

No :D

@Wolgwang Very, very good direct search then!

Wolgwang

@Slate Two

caird coinheringaahing

Do we just keep guessing numbers until Slate says yes? :P

Slate

16:28

I don't see why not! Two is it.

Cool as heck. Curious what you did to figure this one out?

CDJB

1 hour ago, by CDJB

Based on the fact that everyone commenting on this question got the hat https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/70023/

Wolgwang

And

10 hours ago, by Wolgwang

Just came across a user with only 4 comments and helping arm. https://math.stackexchange.com/users/43239/clayton

Slate

> Comment on a new user's first post, which the new user then edits, which later scores 2+ (not closed, reopened ok)

By the way, that's the trigger on the doc

12944qwerty

comment on a new user's post that is then edited and goes on to receive a net score of 2+?

oh

didn't see your confirmation

xd

so we can edit the list?

Slate

I mean, sure! List belongs to the community ;)

caird coinheringaahing

16:32

All these triggers being revealed having to do with new users' posts, and my main site hasn't had any "First Questions" posted in 3 days :(

12944qwerty

How many comments? Just one? @Slate

Slate

Yeah

12944qwerty

@Wolgwang why must you beat me

XD
you did so many

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty 45% contribution in that list XD.

12944qwerty

yeah

when will winterbash2021.stackexchange.com/unicorn change

CDJB

16:38

@12944qwerty oh, you haven't solved the puzzle on there yet?

12944qwerty

it's rot1

Wolgwang

Sad I have only commented on the question that got closed. ಠ︵ಠ

12944qwerty

it says stay tuned

CDJB

Kidding :P I certainly don't know if there's a hidden puzzle there apart from the ROT1 thing

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty rot1 = Caesar cipher?

12944qwerty

16:38

yeah

it says to stay tuned... for what?

Slate

It's just reminding you not to fall out of tune.

Wolgwang

@Slate Can I know how many users have the helping heart hat? I can only find one ⊙﹏⊙

Slate

One, lmao

Good luck

Wolgwang

(￣ヘ￣;)

CDJB

@Wolgwang Link to the one user?

Wolgwang

16:45

2 hours ago, by Wolgwang

This user doesn't have a single positive score comments and has the Helping heart hat...

CDJB

Something to do with suggested edits on new users' posts?

Wolgwang

@CDJB "Helping" hats chain must be related to comments IMO.

Dec 17 at 6:12, by Catija

@Wolgwang No. Each version of that chain of hats adds a new element. They're not just multiplicative of each other.

CDJB

Ahh gotcha

Just wondering if that's part of the chain, as they don't have any of the other hats

Wolgwang

IDK but it is possible that that's hat trigger is different from all these...maybe zero score comments and the user is helping with heart without any praise....

CDJB

A good number of the Qs they've edited are closed

Maybe that's something to do with it?

@Slate Helping Heart: (Suggested) edit a new user's closed question that goes on to be re-opened?

It would help so much if we could see hat awarded timestamps :P

Wolgwang

16:54

🤞

Slate

Actually, just to correct Catija a bit there - the Helping series is the only series hat that does not strictly build on each prior hat.

(That's why I didn't number them ordinally, though this isn't a general rule.)

It is completely possible to get these hats in any order. But the complexity order of the trigger does go Finger < Hand < Arm < Heart.

(Incidentally though, Hand and Arm have been awarded the same number of times so far.)

nobody

@slate is the trigger for quadalogue exceptionally complex?

Slate

Not exceptionally. I mean it's more complex than Trialogue.

Wolgwang

Oh! What is wrong with me! 90% of my comments are on questions that got closed 🥺

Slate

But if you have Trialogue you have most of the trigger, barring a few exceptions.

nobody

17:02

Ok, so there are only so many things that can be done to the post at this point. Deleting was one them. I think we tested that?

Does anybody have any other ideaas about what can be done to a post?

Wolgwang

Yeah but that is common to many users that triggered Quadalogue...

CDJB

Score/accepted seems like the only other obvious one.

Panda got it for this question: politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69982

nobody

@wolgwang which post did we test deleting on? did we check that question's OP had commented on the answer that was deleted?

@CDJB Any deleted answers there?

CDJB

But I haven't got it on this Trialogue question: politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69952

@nobody Nope

Oh actually

I tell a lie

There is one

Wolgwang

@nobody Yes.

13 hours ago, by Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Can you delete your answer to missing avatar question? (It is outdated+ It will test Quadalogue hat)

@Catija How did you get the cleanup hat? (can you answer as a user?)

Catija

17:21

I can answer that it's possible to get as a user but it's much easier for a mod.

nobody

@Catija Can you tell us what you've done on cooking since wb started?

caird coinheringaahing

In particular, do you have any good winter/Christmas recipes? :P

Catija

I mean... I did exactly what I needed to do to get the hat.

@cairdcoinheringaahing I use the America's Test Kitchen Gingerbread (for eating, not construction) and Brave Tart's recipe for sugar cookies and royal icing.

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Ooh, I've been meaning to make some gingerbread, I might have to check that out :)

Catija

It's easy - you can make it in a food processor or a stand mixer.

They taste better after a couple of days so they're great for mailing or making ahead.

Ollie

17:35

@Catija Zowee...

Ctrl + Alt + Munch

Wolgwang

@nobody Delete votes?

GammaGames

17:51

I got the one and two buried penny hats by editing a highly-upvoted post: https://stackoverflow.com/posts/32785014/revisions
Not sure what the exact trigger was, though

Maybe because of the bounty? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hkotsubo

@YaakovEllis I've earned Slow Trickle after my question got a score of 40. It took a couple of days, so I guess the criteria must be related to that? Got N upvotes (or score of at least N) in X days?

12944qwerty

@GammaGames I think because of 6+ inactive

@hkotsubo 40 is way too big

hkotsubo

An answer of mine also got upvotes almost at the same time (now the score is 11), so maybe the criteria is based on answers? @YaakovEllis

12944qwerty

what question

i got 10 votes on code golf within 13 hours and there are 22 answers

GammaGames

6+ months inactive, you mean?

12944qwerty

17:56

@GammaGames yeah, then you edited it

hkotsubo

Or maybe having at least N upvotes in a question during X days (as the question has been receiving upvotes in a daily basis since it was posted) @YaakovEllis

@12944qwerty This question: meta.stackexchange.com/q/373010/401803

Wolgwang

@hkotsubo I have the slow trickle and haven't have 40 upvotes if you add all of the upvotes on my post in SE.

hkotsubo

@Wolgwang I suspect that it could be: received at least N votes for X days (consecutive maybe?). Do you have a question or answer like that?

Rafael Tavares

yesterday, by nobody

@slate slow trickle: get upvotes on the same post for four consecutive days, without any downvotes on those four days?

yesterday, by Slate

@nobody Think this one has been guessed quite recently. Y'all are very much on the right track, but a hair too restrictive.

Wolgwang

@hkotsubo Yeah show off your hats 11 upvotes

GammaGames

18:00

Wasn't it over a year since the previous edit/bounty award? Almost 2. I wonder what the three pennies is

hkotsubo

@RafaelTavares Well, so it's related to votes

Rafael Tavares

Yes... I got after 4 consecutive days of upvotes on my question too, no downvotes

Wolgwang

@RafaelTavares Same

hkotsubo

@RafaelTavares So it's just a matter of finding the correct numbers, I guess?

Wolgwang

@GammaGames It's easy. Single burried penny is for editing a post that was inactive for x months and two burried penny os triggered when someone upvote that post..IMO

Wolgwang

18:14

FYI: I am trying to gain some information about helping heart from the only user that has the hat.

in WB Starring Room - Stack Overflow on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Wolgwang

@taylor.2317 Hey! I had invited you. I want to tell you that you are the only user with the Helping heart hat. How do you feel?

😎

Rafael Tavares

18:25

Is e-pic related to receiving an upvoting in the first minutes the user posts something?

12944qwerty

No, already tried that

Ankit Sharma

18:47

Almost there for rep cap on main meta and one hat

double-beep

21:09

@Slate spotting scope: flag/VTC a question that later gets another close vote

nobody

@double-beep If that trigger was correct, a lot more people would have it.

OK, I seem to be the ~~only~~ one of the few people here who don't have spotting scope. What am I doing wrong??

Xnero