So am I right that the public beta is probably starting tomorrow?!
If so do we have a time to expect the floodgates to open (ie If so and I know it I'll try to be online at that time since whether or not I'm a voted a PT I have higher rep and can deal with some of the junk anyways)
We've seen many low-quality answers on this site, and on questions of the type we accept on other Stack Exchange sites. During the private beta, we've had some limited success at quality control by requesting that people improve their answer or using downvotes and the low quality queue to get rid...
Please upvote this sufficiently so that we can claim it as an official policy
Parts of your post are in direct contradiction to this
which, based on Robert's contribution (which is currently lower voted) is still under discussion
let's not try to strong arm the situation before it has been discussed by the community, right?
If a poster tailors their answer to the specific question being asked and meets our minimum quality requirements then I'm not sure we should be just nuking answers for missing out on a single requirement. Time may tell if I end up being wrong, but in the short term at least we should at least test this particular case. In the instance of blatant advertising/repeatedly posting the same thing/completely missing the requirements - I'm completely with you, delete without a second thought, though. — Flyk1 min ago
IMHO Jan did the absolut correct thing to first ask whether his "idea" would be acceptable – turned out had he made that an answer, he'd be "voted into the grounds" as it had not qualified (partly because he didn't check the requirements obviously, but that's a different issue).
danijelc's comment, he should have made it an answer, hence is simply wrong IMHO.
Well, after checking the meta post he refers to, it's very misleading (that post talks about what an answer should contain, and how it should be written)
So yeah, following that advice, he'd cancelled his post half-way (and next time checked first what he's about to recommend #D)
@kalina That's why he commented first, and I'm agreeing with that: when in doubt, better first search for clarification.
And as you can see from my comment, he missed the most imortant points of the requirements (which is what he could have found out even without commenting ;)
@danijelc so, flag the comment as either "not constructive" or with a custom reason stating that the comment does not take into consideration the requirements stated in the question
@danijelc well, that's you personally. There is no policy on leaving possible suggestions in comments, you get no reputation from comments so there is no gaming the system, other people may want to and that's their choice
Of course, if there was a policy on it then it would actually be wrong, but there isn't
@danijelc I agree with you on that. And after checking the meta post you've linked to, it seems like you wanted to "teach him a lesson" (he'd had to abandon his answer before posting it, as soon as he would sum-up how the requirements are met).
thing is simple we recommend software we use for specific task, In myopinion in that case comment was about vague software wich may or may not meet requirements
everything can be flagged for a reason, just don't get too trigger happy on it - make sure that the reason you're flagging is a reason that would be understandable to other people otherwise it will likely get denied (since mods err on the side of caution, which is the correct thing to do)
@danijelc That wasn't meant to be an accusation, daniel :) I've rather thought in terms of "learning curve". One learns more from a mistake made, than from a hint given :)
would you rather a question never got answered or got an answer in a comment that could later be turned into a proper answer?
in order to allow that situation to occur, you have to tolerate the other suggestions
there is enough protection in the system to cater for it - if a user suddenly went and posted 200 comments with poor suggestions on every question then that user would get banned and the comments would get removed
spamming/advertising is something that will be dealt with
a user trying to help while passing by should be tolerated
I agree that we need tight, bullet proof rules, but if you make too many rules, nobody will want to use the site because it will be like walking through a minefield constantly
frankly i prefer no answer than wrong suggestions but i understand what you re saying about comments and how pointing in direction could be helpful. I would personally do it differently, but yes i got what teh risk is if we re too severe in making rules
@danijelc You've just explained it fine: better "no answer than wrong suggestions". That's why Jan was correct not making it an answer in the first place :)
@Fractaliste [tag:xxx] does not work in tag wiki excerpts. Only plain text there, no formatting.
@Caleb Good to see you here! Yes, I know the difference between the "original" KeePass project and KeePassX (hence I've pointed out explicitly which one I've used ;)
Thanks for pointing to the latter's Alphas. But they don't have a Linux download (and they're Alphas – not sure whether I could trust them with my "primary data").
yep i actually moved online with password managing due to Keepassx lack of recognizing teh active fields properly and i really disliked to add custom fields for everything I needed.
Still my needs were quite differnt so may not aply in your case
Amm yust reading Caleb comments under answer I do see the point he ahs and may actually work well in your case in my opinion
Personally I'd just install Cygwin and proceed with the usual *nix shell tools, but I need to make a software recommendation to some clients that need something a bit more newbie friendly.
The situation is that several clients have developed website(s) of the mostly static HTML sort, but the ser...
@Izzy That is a non issue. The question would be is the software stable. You are doing your own sync and backup of the data file and the data format is a standard one that can be read by other apps if you get in a bind. Trusting it with your data is a non-concern. The cryptography is not in question, only the UI is.
Personally I'd just pop open a terminal and brew-up the usual *nix shell tools, but I need to make a software recommendation to some clients that need something a bit more newbie friendly.
The situation is that several clients have developed website(s) of the mostly static HTML sort, but the ser...
Please note I asked a similar question for OSX, but I specifically want tools that are familiar and easy te get the hang of. Cross platform would be OK, but I have and idea the best newbie solution for newbies will be something native to each platform so please keep that in mind when answering. — Caleb16 mins ago
and I think with the fact that there are cross platform applications available, it might be worth generalising one of those questions and removing the other - if you find SmartGit to be an acceptable solution
@kalina Then don't. Explain why it's the best solution for THAT platform. That likely involves comparing it to other alternatives (and native screen shots!)
@Izzy Sorry your comments were really confusing to follow, I didn't catch that you'd switched to talking about Android. I didn't know the Android client was so large (looks like it bundles a wrapper around a crypto library instead of re-implementing it native in order to guaranty file compatibility) but I don't have a better solution to suggest. If it doesn't suit you, at least it met the requirements with the noted caveat about custom fields.
@kalina Yes it does. Title=newbie. Body="a simple interface where a basic workflow of committing and pushing is easy to accomplish without understanding the intricacies of distributed version control."
What is the rationale/criterion on this site for the Too-broad close reason?
I think I have a pretty good handle on close reasons for existing SE sites, and the "too broad" close reason in particular. Because this site breaks with the SE canon by inviting recommendation questions, it may be wor...
@kalina I want something that will get the job done for my clients with as little fuss as possible. That is simple, graphical and a git client. I think it fits the bill and it's the best suggestion yet. If you find a better one for the case study in my question feel free to post it. Otherwise I'm about done arguing with you over definitions of "simple", as if it mattered.
*I* feel they answer the question, however you, as the asker, have indicated they're not useful or helpful. Since I'm doing this to be helpful that kind of invalidates my point in posting them, so I'm asking you - are they going to be of use to you
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@kalina leave it there maybe someone else will upvote it. there, there don't worry dear, it's ok
@kalina That's generally not the point of SE sites, the point is to be useful to more than just one person. Sometimes OP's will even "accept" outright wrong answers. That doesn't mean we should post wrong answers just because that is what they want to hear.
@kalina You are conflating types of issues. "Not fully meeting criteria from the question" would apply to objective criteria like a specific feature. "Must be free" question cannot have answers saying "site licenses are only $5" and questions asking for "does X, Y and Z" cannot have answers saying "this program does Y great if that's all you need". "simple" on the other hand is subjective and is going to boil down to "simplest" compared to the others.
help me understand something please, when I said "It's obvious our ideas of 'simple to use' are different", why did you conclude I was arguing, even though you're basically agreeing with me now?
@Caleb I didn't downvote it :) Yes, in fact KeePass ATM is the one coming closest to my requirements – and it's basically 3 things keeping me from it: Alpha, (custom) templates, and the 2x vs. 1x issue (though for the latter, the 13 MB monster would something I could live with; and the "official Android client" at least has "Beta support" for 2.x)
@kalina Also, I have to ask -- do you even use git? Have you used the app you are recommending? Have you seen how beginners react to it? Are you the right expert to be answering my specific question with a definitive answer or are you rehashing what you found on Google.
@Izzy I understand. I posted that answer because I am fairly confident that it is as close as you will get to your criteria with current software but I'd be happy for another answer to prove me wrong, maybe I could switch too :) Also remember the alpha is the linux app, the android is not alpha or even beta and seems solid (6 devices using it here). And there is no reason to use a matched pair if you want a different destktop solution.
@kalina That experience and the learning curve you saw would be something you should put in your answer(s). That would be 10x more meaningful that what you put there so far.
@Caleb I'm 100% with you – so you can bookmark my Q, as in case I find something I will for sure leave a note/answer there. And yes, I know "Alpha" is just for the Linux KeePassX (but 2.x support is Beta on the official app, yuck; so I'd have to take the "monster" then, probably).
@Caleb the android is not alpha or even beta and seems solid (6 devices using it here). You should put that in your answer – a good item in the "personal experiences" section :) // What desktop version are you using?
@Caleb That sounds interesting, and would even be cross-platform!
because of my high post count on meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/423/… those of you who want to vote should maybe do so by editing the As (I know thats kinda complicated, but else we won't reach a meaningful votecount)
@Izzy I don't think the KeePassDroid app properly supports additional fields at all. Back when I tested it it could open and use kp2 files but didn't support many of the format's features. Also it's a clunky pain compared to Keepass2Android even if the file size would suggest otherwise.
@Caleb I was too busy automating my own work environment to actually do the other work. LOL! Sounds like the reason I left one of my previous contracts: my automatics replaced me #D
@Caleb Oh. Yeah, you could be right with that (and btw: another item for the "personal experience" section of your answer ;)
Also your comment about screen-shots -- those are not from the 2x software at all, and it's a complete rewrite so they are almost useless for that. I need to get that clarified better in my answer.
I've been seeing a number of questions closed (and had two in the review queue today, which I kept open, although I was only 100% behind one of them, the other still was not definitely unclear and still had a chance to improve) for “unclear what you are asking”. In all these cases, to me it was f...
@Caleb Btw: Please ping me once you've updated your answer. Maybe we can remove some (or even all) of our comments below it then as well, to keep things in a cleaner state :)
@Caleb No need to hurry – whenever time permits :) Thanks in advance, though: I already had given up on KeePass, which might turn out as having been "too early"!
Hm: Though I've flagged Private beta cleanup: tag synonyms and tag merges for "mod attention", our synonym requests have not been processed yet. Makes not much sense re-tagging things which should get synonymized this way, as the "empty tag" will be re-populated (a mod can "merge+synonymize" in one step, though). Should we wait until we've got our own mods for that? Or how to deal with it?
@Izzy It's not really about 'having enough candidates', SE will just go through the users list and draft people if they aren't satisfied with what we put forth in the nomination thread.
For me, graphs and charts are different things: "graph" is an object with nodes and edges, "chart" is a visualization of some statistics or measurements (pie chart, bar chart, etc.) Seems that Nick Wilde has opposite opinion: http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/posts/1211/revisions
The easy thing about your criteria is that you don't actually need a matched set. As long as the data file is completely inter-operable, any combination of unrelated apps will work.
As far as password-manager data formats that are interchangeable go, this is basically only one 800 pound gorilla ...
@Izzy I also removed all of my comments as my rewrite obsoletes them all and I hope addresses your concerns and the stuff we covered here in chat.
@Undo If they had be chosen already (and the finally decision drawn), that would not have been done without their consent (makes no sense to appoint someone, suprise him "Hey, you're mod now, welcome!", see his shocked face, and then get a "decline", huh?)
@Undo That's what made me hesitating again to nominate myself. I've thought about it, especially as it's "temp" (so I don't need to feel bad stepping back at the end of the period, and don't need to be afraid of having to "stick in" too long for solidarity reasons ;)
@AngeloNeuschitzer I was talking about "rawly" – i.e. check from what's 500 rep now and up, there it mostly matches (also concerning the badges, which I will miss now a few from just by a few points)
@Caleb WOW! That's not just a recommendation, that's a complete... research paper? Report on the topic? +1 for now until I checked. Btw: The "13 MB" got explained by you as well, that's most likely the Mono runtime included.
I've removed all my comments from that Q as well, you did a perfect job covering everything! I'm tempted to set a bounty as reward, wouldn't we currently need all rep we have to maintain the site when going public!
OK, now for @Seth – let's see what he did today to be awarded for #D
@Izzy Most of that info came from comments I'd already made debating whether my answer was valid, it just needed assembling into one place.
I say this in the answer, but it isn't a perfect match, just the best one I know of, and I did research all this before when I was looking for my own solution a while backe.
“Is there a program to control other computers from another computer?” is clear as glass, even though the person asking doesn't seem to be able to express it well (do remember that not everyone is English here – for example I learned 3 programming languages and 2 natural languages before it). I added a comment there with a good solution. — mirabilos21 mins ago
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@Izzy I asked Tim Post already, he said wait until our mods are appointed
First of all, I can totally understand how questions specifically looking for cross-platform apps is a useful thing. However in a few minutes browsing here I have already seen a number of cases that seem unreasonable.
A great example would be this question:
A desktop or webapp e-mail client for...
I downloaded all of our posts through the API, and I noticed something disturbing: 28 of our answers don't contain links.
Almost all answers here should have a link of some sort - why else would you post it? So, without further ado, here's the list.
http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/a/348...
@Undo Well that's it then I'm going to have to look into the API because people (okay you) keep posting interesting question analysis type thing that I'd like to be able to do on my own at any time.
I downloaded all of our posts through the API, and I noticed something disturbing: 28 of our answers don't contain links.
Almost all answers here should have a link of some sort - why else would you post it? So, without further ado, here's the list.
http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/a/348...
@Fractaliste I generally go by the idea that the official page is the best one to link and then if it necessary add an extra link to more information from an unofficial page
@Fractaliste and thanks for the edit ;)
oh and want to edit the meta topic so that everyone knows what has been edited/commented/checked without having to manually recheck them?
@AngeloNeuschitzer Yep... perhaps we should see how the attention is for 12 hours and then decide when to engage in evangelism based on how overwhelmed the site is
@NickWilde Yes. As I won't be active tomorrow (unfortunately) I will start announcing it to my network at tomorrow evening at the earliest. And before I do I will most likely have exhausted my close votes :)
@NickWilde Its 20:38 here (Central Europe). But thats good. That way there will always be someone of us here active as the earth spins beneath the sun.
What is the rationale/criterion on this site for the Too-broad close reason?
I think I have a pretty good handle on close reasons for existing SE sites, and the "too broad" close reason in particular. Because this site breaks with the SE canon by inviting recommendation questions, it may be wor...
For me, graphs and charts are different things: "graph" is an object with nodes and edges, "chart" is a visualization of some statistics or measurements (pie chart, bar chart, etc.) Seems that Nick Wilde has opposite opinion: http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/posts/1211/revisions
I downloaded all of our posts through the API, and I noticed something disturbing: 28 of our answers don't contain links.
Almost all answers here should have a link of some sort - why else would you post it? So, without further ado, here's the list.
http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/a/348...
