The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

00:12

@freiheit We all know what happened here

A sex party spontaneously erupted

If the internet has taught me anything it's that @Jacob is having sex with more women simultaneously than most of us have been with our entire lives

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson see: reddit.com

freiheit

@MarkHenderson they never invite me to those parties. :-(

ewwhite

I miss sex parties.

Wait, I miss sex.

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@joel can't you hook me up next time I'm here in LA?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite well yes

ugh I can't delete things

Journeyman Geek

00:27

@JoelESalas: The line about the average reddit user?

Gone, unless it was the wrong line, then tell me ;p

Joel E Salas

@JourneymanGeek thank you thank you thank you

I always miss the "delete your own filthy thing you said" time window

Journeyman Geek

XD

I personally consider that abuse of power. GLORIOUS

ewwhite

I'm sitting on the plane to go home @joel. Til next time!

Michael Hampton

It's two minutes. Think fast.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite nooooo

Jacob

00:29

@MarkHenderson Um WHAT?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob You're in college, right

C'mpon you know i'm obsessed by this

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I was always under the impression usually happened when you're on an exchange program.

freiheit

beer:31

ewwhite

@joelit was an overnighter. Had to deal with some problem clients and try to get paid.

And nudie bar - Spearmint Rhino!!

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Have you been to one of the local nightclubs? not a chain

ewwhite

00:40

Naw

Taking off. See y'all from the air.

Anonymous

Anonymous

Gentoo and Arch in a nutshell

Joel E Salas

@PatoSáinz HAHAHAHA

Michael Hampton

Woah. Monster Windows update. WTF is that?

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton what?

Journeyman Geek

00:49

@MichaelHampton: 8.1.1

Michael Hampton

Oh, it's "THE" update.

Journeyman Geek

And if you don't update it supposedly disables other updates.

Michael Hampton

Why didn't they just call it a service pack like they have for the last 20 years?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: ;p

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton because marketing

Michael Hampton

00:50

Fuck marketing.

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek how is the SR community doing?

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: alright I suppose

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek you are mod pro tem aren't you?

Michael Hampton

Wow, you can finally close a metro app with the mouse. That only took, what, two years to implement?

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jscott

@MichaelHampton Be aware of a minor WSUS bug in that update. Also no 8.1.1 start menu :(

Journeyman Geek

00:54

@PatoSáinz: Yeah

Anonymous

@jscott say goodbye to the start menu for fuck's sake

Michael Hampton

@jscott That's minor?

Mark Henderson

@jscott How the hell did that get through QA?!

jscott

@MichaelHampton Considering we've had past Windows updates which BSOD machines, yeah it's minor. :)

@MarkHenderson /b/uild conf was hyping the update, so it had to get out?

Michael Hampton

@jscott Well, I'm not using WSUS here, so on with the show!

Anonymous

00:56

Windows quality

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: meh, the start menu has its purposes

also anything that makes it easier for me to get user acceptance of 8 is good

Michael Hampton

Oh look, they've helpfully pinned Windows Store to my taskbar. FUCK YOU STEVE BALLMER MAY YOU ROT IN HELL.

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Journeyman Geek

lol

gee. I wonder why ;p

Anonymous

well, it's your fault for using windows on servers anyway

Journeyman Geek

(personally outside trying to get software for win-phone and possibly for win rt tablets... this whole metro thing is slightly silly)

Anonymous

01:01

wtf you guys reboot when you install a patch hahaha

Journeyman Geek

oh sorry. modern ui. Oh sorry, totally wrong. Its windows store.

Michael Hampton

It's always going to be Metro to me, and it's always going to be fail.

jscott

@PatoSáinz I also rebooted every thing that had an OpenSSL patch.

Michael Hampton

If you aren't rebooting, something's probably wrong. I have an alarm set for uptime >= 90 days.

BigHomie

@jscott I'm guessing this effects SCCM clients as well

Anonymous

01:05

@MichaelHampton alright but what about when you're a provider bound by an SLA?

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz I'll chalk this up to youthful ignorance

CWIDT

Michael Hampton

@PatoSáinz Then you should already have a highly available service, and you reboot your nodes in sequence

Anonymous

@jscott excuse moi are you actually comparing the amount of reboots Windows needs to Linux's? Those two are on completely different leagues.

jscott

@BigHomie Perhaps? There's a number of required, specific, conditions which need to happen to cause the issue.

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz depending on the patch, you either reboot or restart the service, linux or windows, doesn't matter.

jscott

01:07

@PatoSáinz I also reboot every kernel update, I can't pay for ksplice or whatever it is now.

Anonymous

@BigHomie cf. what I told jscott above

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton could you please explain that a little more please?

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz I'm saying sometimes a reboot is required, mostly on Windows

Anonymous

@BigHomie oh sure it is, everywhere

BigHomie

@jscott Thnx, I'll have to confirm w/ our Sr sys admin what setup is running

@PatoSáinz For server OS? Not entirely true

Anonymous

01:09

"oracle ksplice" well i'm not touching this shit

jscott

I'm not sure that uptime is useful metric on any OS... unless you're looking for potential exploit targets.

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz It all depends on what files are in use when the patches are applied

Anonymous

@BigHomie yea, and that's mostly unavoidable in almost all OSes

Michael Hampton

@PatoSáinz First you need the basics:

High availability

High availability is a system design approach and associated service implementation that ensures a prearranged level of operational performance will be met during a contractual measurement period. Users want their systems, for example hospitals, production computers, and the electrical grid to be ready to serve them at all times. Availability refers to the ability of the user community to obtain a service or good, access the system, whether to submit new work, update or alter existing work, or collect the results of previous work. If a user cannot access the system, it is - from the use...

Ksplice was great until fucking Oracle fucking bought it...

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton oh yea I've heard those terms but let's assume i'm DigitalOcean

Anonymous

01:11

and I've got to patch the kernel on a machine where VPSes run

Michael Hampton

You migrate them all off to another machine, then install the updates and reboot.

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton (now I acknowledge ignorance) how on earth is transferring state in a machine to another then seamlessly keeping all connections alive, reads, etc possible?

BigHomie

# of ways

Michael Hampton

@PatoSáinz You haven't heard of virtual machine migration? All the hypervisors do it now.

jscott

vMotion, storage vMotion... I've grown to just take it all for granted.

Anonymous

01:13

@MichaelHampton got any wiki links?

BigHomie

It intrigues me too @PatoSáinz, but in essence the VM settings are dupe'd across 2 (or more) hosts. The VM disk can be copied over real time (heard of shadow copies? same concept). When it's time to failover, well.... Not much else to be done.

Michael Hampton

Haven't I lost enough hair already?

BigHomie

Solutions are probably similar but diff across hypervisors, but there's one way it could be done, the way I would do it

Anonymous

Seems reasonable

Anonymous

I still think you'd have to drop all connections

Michael Hampton

01:15

Live migration

Live migration refers to the process of moving a running virtual machine or application between different physical machines without disconnecting the client or application. Memory, storage, and network connectivity of the virtual machine are transferred from the original host machine to the destination. VM memory migration Two techniques for moving the virtual machine's memory state from the source to the destination are pre-copy memory migration and post-copy memory migration. Pre-copy memory migration Warm-up phase In pre-copy memory migration, the Hypervisor typically copies all ...

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Anonymous

@MichaelHampton I call sorcery

BigHomie

@MichaelHampton Yep, that's it, VM Settings stored on a CSV

So, yes, the users may see a momentary blip, but they may not get disconnected

HA is not fault tolerance

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton why is ksplice bad now?

Shane Madden

@PatoSáinz Oracle became involved?

BigHomie

> ....was Windows 7 better than XP?... Umm, define better theregister.co.uk/2014/04/04/…

Shane Madden

01:22

@PatoSáinz (I haven't actually looked into what they have done with it, but generally they make a mess.)

Anonymous

@ShaneMadden alright let's say ksplice for desktops aka the free Fedora and Ubuntu solution

BigHomie

I do agree with this

> And what do all these updates do? They fix bugs and make ‘stability improvements’. Well, heck, why not try coding this shit more slowly and more carefully in the first place?

jscott

@BigHomie Ah, Alistair, yeah he's nothing if not a pot-stirrer. Least he keeps the comments section of each article busy.

Mark Henderson

@BigHomie Wow, emotive much?

> This was partly to feed the American lust for consumerism

Bob

@BigHomie Find me an omniscient programmer...

Mark Henderson

01:24

Because the british are totally against consumerism. As are Australians and every other country that's not america

BigHomie

@Bob Of course, but, there's no denying a lot of the stuff is rushed, for whatever reason

Bob

@BigHomie Tradeoffs are necessary, though. You can have absolutely perfect software, or you can have software available during your lifetime.

BigHomie

@Bob Agreed, but even then, holding every stability improvement you've found over the past 18 months, and charge for it?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton this is true of a lot of software. Other than java. This was always crap ;p

@BigHomie: sounds like simple capitalism to me ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Java was originally a solution in search of a problem. How it actually got popular is beyond me. I thought it useless when it was first introduced, and my opinion of it is even lower now.

BigHomie

01:29

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I saw it hanging up @ Adobe's HQ once

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: how it got popular? Universities loved it and taught it as a first language.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I learned FORTRAN and Pascal as first languages in college. WTF?

BigHomie

@JourneymanGeek That's terrible. What problem could java possibly solve anyway?

jscott

C was the 101 course when I first tried college. After a couple years off, I returned and Java was the new language of choice.

BigHomie

I learned C, like everyone born in the 80s should.

What?

> The team originally considered using C++, but it was rejected for several reasons. Because they were developing an embedded system with limited resources, they decided that C++ needed too much memory and that its complexity led to developer errors.

Bob

01:34

@BigHomie RAD

BigHomie

@Bob In the early 90s, too young to remember but probably. And Now lol?

Bob

@BigHomie Now? Well... it's common, it's popular.

It works (for certain definitions of "work").

BigHomie

@Bob It's got to die too.

ewwhite

Meanwhile, somewhere over the Western United States...

Bob

Personally, I rather like C#. Similar category to Java, really.

BigHomie

01:36

Don't get me wrong, Android does great with it, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

@Bob Yeah, I love C# for mashups and even generic Windows stuff. But, can we really compare .NET to java?

Bob

@BigHomie Well, you'd be comparing the .NET CLR to the (a?) JVM :P

Again, same general category.

BigHomie

@Bob lol fine, but there a crapton of appliations in my environment when there's a minor .NET update, I do know that.

Bob

We can compare it. But we can also say one is better :P

BigHomie

yeah, that's like comparing riding a tricycle to work vs. walking barefoot through a trainwreck.

One is clearly better

@ewwhite That's not illegal

ewwhite

@BigHomie No, but just ironic since I'm connected to it.

Jacob

01:44

@freiheit We're working on something to try and help with the major sites on that, but unfortunately they should all know better.

BigHomie

@ewwhite In that case, one word of advice: don't star anything I wouldn't star.

ewwhite

@BigHomie I'm listening to Detroit Ghetto-Tek House Music right now...

Journeyman Geek

@BigHomie university undergrads rarely solve problems

;p

ewwhite

And the guy on the plane next to me glanced at my iPhone screen just as the song, Ass n' Titties queued up.

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Journeyman Geek

o0

BigHomie

01:59

@JourneymanGeek idk, some find new ways to cheat all the time

@ewwhite lol akward.

noooooo

even can be done by gpo, but i still prefer /quiet — Root Loop 4 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

@BigHomie: oh, that we do.

BigHomie

@JourneymanGeek Why, pretel?

ewwhite

Sorry about the echo. That's the FBI.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Yeah but you're black so you're allowed to listen to that music

BigHomie

Yeah, there's an easier way to do this, would you like to know how? — BigHomie 22 secs ago

Mark Henderson

02:04

I wind my windows up when Jay-Z or Kanye come on. Not because I don't like it, but because it's not cool for a white man in a wagon to play it that loudly

BigHomie

@MarkHenderson that'll get ya a star.

@MarkHenderson In all fairness, Rap knows no color. I used to bang Vanilla Ice and Eminem as much as the next brotha.

Em got legitimate skills, Vanilla Ice was one of the biggest one hit wonders, but that one hit is still banging 'til this day

Mark Henderson

@BigHomie I have to wind my window down to swipe in/out of the car park. I had A$ap Rocky's Fuckin Problems blaring at full volume when I did it. And then I saw a little old lady walking to her car and I promptly turned the volume wayyy down

jscott

@ewwhite I heard of this via a Flash video.

BigHomie

@MarkHenderson Same here. All of my rap now is Gospel rap, but I have to turn the subs down because the license plate rattle is horrible right now, must. fix. rattle.

ewwhite

Hmm, can't load it here. Streaming media is blocked

@BigHomie Curious. Kirk Franklin fan?

Mark Henderson

02:08

@BigHomie I don't have subs. I need all the boot(/trunk) space I can get for things like prams, and taking home furniture from ikea

jscott

@ewwhite It's nothing special. Just a silly flash animation with a-n-t playing in the back.

ewwhite

:)

BigHomie

@ewwhite Very little. I do like some of his songs, but he's not my goto.

ewwhite

k. Just curious if he still had the following.

BigHomie

@MarkHenderson I feel like any rap fan should have a sub, you can get away with a 12" that takes almost zero space

any music fan at all really, it really does add depth to the music

ewwhite

02:11

Client: Ed, Thank you very much for taking care of this for us - do the patches need to be extended to our mirrored servers? Do you advise that we change the root and or user's passwords? Please send any related invoices for these items. $$$

BigHomie

@ewwhite It's still there, not like mid 90s of course, but I'm less of a contemporary fan than other Christians I know

Okay, first thing's first: Delete this question, then ask another after doing a bit of googling on the matter. For more information on asking a good question, see here — BigHomie 2 mins ago

jscott

@BigHomie Wait, wat. OP wants to use bginfo to collect client info into a database? sigh

Journeyman Geek

@BigHomie Well, a good part of one of my major is forensics. I tend to try to social engineer the assignments wherever possible

Bob

BigHomie

02:37

@jscott exactly.

@jscott aaaaannnnnd Evan does it again

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A: BGINFO with MySQL for storing computer information

Yikes! I had no idea BGInfo could do this. Here's a report of success using MySQL. It looks pretty straightforward-- plain vanilla ODBC. You don't have to create any DSNs based on what I'm seeing-- the connection string is just in the BGI file. Your error message really makes it look like BGInf...

Michael Hampton

02:56

Vote Down requires 125 reputation...

Jacob

@MichaelHampton What?

Michael Hampton

@Jacob Oh, just a shitty wrong answer...

Jacob

@MichaelHampton So it is vulnerable?

Michael Hampton

@Jacob Come to think of it, I think he missed the whole point of the question...which would make it not an answer at all.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton haha I had a question to ask on there but I was afraid of getting flamed

Michael Hampton

03:02

@MarkHenderson I think you'd be all right on apple.SE. You just have to be careful on Server Fault. Those guys are MEAN motherfuckers.

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Jacob

@MarkHenderson As long as you don't point out a flaw in Apple products you should be ok.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha I got flamed there before for questioning apple's sanity

Michael Hampton

When you install every Windows update, and reboot, and there are more updates to install. I thought they stopped doing that shit?

Jacob

mycestro.com

That thing is soo fun to use

Mark Henderson

03:20

@Jacob The name sounds like a disease

Ah, kickstarter. No wonder it has a weird name.

Wow, there's a blazing endorsement:

> “You should get this in the hands of school children.” – focus group feedback from a former elementary school teacher

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Yeah, they haven't gotten too many out yet.

ewwhite

05:36

Who wants to guess what language this is?

	// create a pid file if desired, remove it at the end of main()
	if cfg.Main.Pidfile != "" {
		makePidFile(cfg.Main.Pidfile)
		defer removePidFile(cfg.Main.Pidfile)
	}

	notify.Print(notifier.INFO, "zfswatcher starting")

	var statusTicker, zfslistTicker *time.Ticker

	// get the initial zpool status:
	out, err := getCommandOutput(cfg.Main.Zpoolstatuscmd)
	if err != nil {
		notify.Print(notifier.CRIT, "exiting, getting ZFS status failed")
		goto EXIT
	}

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite It's go...

ewwhite

@JoelESalas oh?

You mean, "it's go-time"?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite if err != nil is pretty uncommon

ewwhite

Or, "I like go-go girls"?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite true but unrelated

ewwhite

05:39

Yeah, so I'm debating on whether to add this utility built in go to my systems

I've never heard of the language.

it's like the time a certain financial firm made me interview in OCaml.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite THat could be any language

It's OO and has pointers, so it aint C

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson no, it really couldn't...

Mark Henderson

That's about as far as I've got

ewwhite

It's Go.

Go (programming language)

Go, also called golang, is a programming language initially developed at Google in 2007 by Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson. It is a statically-typed language with syntax loosely derived from that of C, adding automatic memory management, type safety, some dynamic-typing capabilities, additional built-in types such as variable-length arrays and key-value maps, and a large standard library. Beyond that broad category, Go is defined by the following: * A syntax and environment adopting patterns more common in dynamic languages: ** Concise variable declaration and initializatio...

Mark Henderson

Gah new languages for everything

ewwhite

05:42

Like safer, can't fuck-you-up-as-much C.

Ward

@MichaelHampton Apparently I went back to Win 7 just in time.

serverfault.com/review/reopen/stats

The number of the beast!

Mark Henderson

Hah. I only have 2 total reviews in that queue

I guess I don't want any reviewer badges

I don't even remember the last time I earned a badge. Was a while ago.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite sounds like Rust: rust-lang.org

ewwhite

@JoelESalas You're just making that up to mess with me.

Ward

05:58

Clearly, we need Go Forth!

forth.org

Iain

G'day

Magellan

@ewwhite my coworkers love Go.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas So I'd rather have my program crash that give invalid data

ewwhite

@Magellan I didn't know it was a thing.

seems cool

Magellan

They rave about it.

Mark Henderson