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12:00 AM
lol
OH
 
they introduce all this new stuff
and all I can think of is "hmm, there's a great new way to write a NOP slide"
 
I came across the new IE test VMs... they support virtualbox on linux, and suggest people use wget to download them ;p
/me puts a hat on @FalconMomot
 
neat thing about ignoring IE: it isn't usually necessary to have upwards of 8 VMs just to test your site
/me takes the hat off and dyes it black
 
@FalconMomot saucelabs.com - never need any VM ever again
I've been getting into HTML unit testing the past few weeks. Selenium + NUnit + Sauce Labs = Unstopptable
 
12:03 AM
@MarkHenderson: oh, I just find it a nice way to have disposable VMs for testing stuff
(and I pretty much would lose track of how often I need one of those)
 
@JourneymanGeek Of all the companies we deal with, we only have one who gives a shit about IE; something like 40% of their business was done with users on IE6 18 months ago. I don't know what it looks like now though
We don't support IE, but because we have an (expensive) subscription model, so we make sure people know about it beforehand
If we were more of a normal cloud service we would need to work with it
 
it is really a wonder that people still use IE6
but then
 
people do have a pretty insane phobia of upgrades
 
PRC & Russia
 
12:11 AM
Ha, of course
 
I like the fact that even Microsoft are attempting to destroy their most prolific browser ever
 
It is only prolific for the worst of reasons
and that people continue to support it is actually bad for their business too
 
@MDMarra are you hard at work?
 
China is probably because of the amount of bootlegged XP machines honestly.
 
@ewwhite just got it
so I'll move DHCP to DC2
you can update the IP helper when I'm done right?
 
12:17 AM
@NathanC obviously, yes.
 
@MDMarra Hmm? What helper?
 
It's all one subnet?
 
I only have a helper address on the L3 switch.
two subnets.
10 users.
This ain't fancy!!
 
if I'm moving the server that DHCP is on...
you're going to want to update that helper address
 
yeah, the IP helper isn't important. The other subnet is a static-IP'd security net.
 
12:20 AM
ok
 
let them all burn!!!
 
Muahaha
foreach($_ In Get-ADComputer -Filter *) { Invoke-Command -ComputerName $_.Name { Set-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Filesystem -Name NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation -Value 1 } }
 
@RyanRies Everything breaks
 
I'm not afraid
8dot3 names can die
 
@ewwhite so you've disabled IPv6 I see. I'd turn that back on
 
12:23 AM
DO IT!
 
@FalconMomot: or XP ... I'm down to one XP box I support ;p
 
(turned off as one of the troubleshooting steps.)
 
uh
did you rename a DC by any chance?
 
@MDMarra not that I know of
 
yeah dude, broken AD here
 
12:28 AM
Awww...
how to fix?
 
Looking now
 
@ewwhite You broke it!
:P
 
!
 
New definition of lazy: using my laptop (on my bed) to remote into my desktop 10 feet away.
 
I do that all the time
I'm seriously 2 steps from my desktop (on the couch right now) and I still remote into it from my laptop
 
12:30 AM
I need to figure out why my laptop's not giving HDMI output to my TV :( since it's not used often I want to make a media center out of it
 
You broke it!
 
but, no signal on the TV even though the laptop detects it
I kinda want to buy a Pi to work as one but i'd need to also get a wireless dongle for it.
 
@RyanRies Do you disablelastaccess as well?
 
@jscott No, I understand the performance benefits to be gained from disabling last access but last file access is too useful to me, for auditing, reporting, scripting, etc.
 
Gotcha, just curious.
 
12:37 AM
@jscott The main reason I disable 8.3 name creation is just so Best Practices Analyzer will stop bitching about it.
 
Moar green checks!
 
Yes, it soothes my OCD brain
The 260 character limit is extremely inconveniencing when you hit it though. :(
 
"Green Check It" is a term used extensively where I work. I didn't tell you this but certain job/scripts exit 0 as the last line to soothe the technicians which are unable to handle Red Xs.
@RyanRies Sing it brother. Also, dir /x doesn't do what I expect any more. :)
 
You can get around it by using the \\?\ handle, but that's a security risk IMO.
 
@ewwhite weird shit man
weird shit
 
12:41 AM
@MDMarra I just clicked "OK" over and over again. What else is needed to administer a Windows system?
7
 
I thought Ed dealt in Weird Shit almost exclusively?
@ewwhite That is being a Windows Admin.
 
@ewwhite You weren't holding your mouth right and praying to the correct moon goddess, duh
 
omfg
good how to change this? — SHREEF 26 secs ago
 
@ewwhite DC1 is broken. I may need to get ice cream before I can continue
I'll keep you informed
 
@FalconMomot It's not just stupid ...that's advanced stupid.
 
12:46 AM
Yeah.
Someday I shall hit 10000 rep, but at this rate it may take 5 more years.
 
on SF, ya
 
someone just nudged me past 4000 finally though. thanks!
 
but there's usually a rep-tipping point
 
Yeah
 
@MDMarra no ice cream!
 
12:48 AM
we have this thing here particularly where you can answer 10 questions and only get rep for maybe 4 of the answers, and if you're lucky 1 will be accepted.
 
I've been here a little over a month and have 1815 rep currently :P
It's slowed down quite a bit recently though.
 
Yeah, I got over 1500 in my first couple weeks here a couple years ago
 
Rep is hard to get!
 
especially when all the questions are braindead :P
 
ZERO points for me today
 
12:50 AM
@FalconMomot: that happens, or its out of your field of experience
 
@ewwhite YOU'RE NOT MY MOM
i can reboot all this shit, right?
 
yes
 
@JourneymanGeek part of the reason I hang out here is to broaden it a little, but I'm especially disinterested in stuff like hadoop and nginx (and cpanel, god forbid)
and nosql. I hate nosql.
 
cpanel is a bad word here
 
Is webmin acceptable? :p
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Q: Server Structure & Traffic Route to achieve Fail-over

user178033Matters regarding to: Web site Hosting S1 = Server 1 / S2 = Server 2 / S3 = Server 3 (They are all physical and identical) What I am trying to Achieve: DB that will be paralleled between [S1] & [S2] at all time Failover - if either [S1] or [S2] server is down, the other server can overtake ...

 
12:52 AM
(which kinda amuses me, as the mutual friend of ours I bitch a lot about keeps talking about hacking on it)
 
This guy really wants his question answered apparently.
 
@NathanC: personally? Either you do it the right way, or you script it yourself ;p
parallelled?
 
@MDMarra I didn't mean to break it all!
 
THAT WORD. IT DOES NOT THINK WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS!
 
Isn't Windows idiot-proof?
 
12:53 AM
Some things are made a bit easier to manage with webmin...especially things like iptables.
 
@ewwhite: nothing is idiot proof. Better idiots somehow devolve.
 
The bind9 module is fairly nice too.
"When we finally rid the world of idiots, someone will make a better idiot."
 
@NathanC: two issues really, you're giving a web front end more power than it needs, and if something REALLY breaks, you lack the skills and knowledge to fix it outside the web based paradigm
stuff like iptables isn't something that in an ideal world, you'd mess with often on the same system.
 
Well, honestly I rarely go into webmin
And I properly restrict access to it with iptables and such.
 
Its also rather explicitly contraindicated by a few distros ;p
 
12:57 AM
I used it a lot when setting up OpenVPN because it's a pain to remember the 2839824 switches openssl takes
 
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Q: Passive ethernet tap

bgsI'm having an hard time figuring out why can't I capture the packets flowing between two devices, in both drections, using a self made ethernet tap, with cooper cable, which looks just like this one: http://fernandomagro.com/wp-content/...2010/05/rx.jpg Both end devices (say, A and B) are connec...

arg
he doesn't understand ethernet at all
 
Nope.
Or, he could use good ol' ARP poisoning and wireshark
 
@ewwhite TOO LATE
 
yeah, he could, but that tends to not be very passive
the switch is allowed, on arp poisoning, to route the traffic to the sniffer only, which might be disruptive, unless he wants to mitm.
 
cooper wire?
 
1:00 AM
I mean, if he had the old-style BNC where you could literally punch into the cable a passive tap would work...
 
@FalconMomot: or find an old school hub
 
the days of vampire taps and thicknet are long, long gone
 
@FalconMomot Cain & Abel's ARP poisoner will forward the traffic along too
 
now it's "layer 3 switching"
(I don't understand what is wrong with calling that device a router)
@NathanC yes, but I'd sooner be shot in the leg than run cain and abel on a production network
 
i used it on my college network out of curiousity and was surprised at how easy it was lol
true enough
 
1:01 AM
it's easy for sure
 
1) Find IP 2) Press button 3) ??? 4) Receive packets!
2
 
assuming no protection against arp poisoning
it's possible to filter traffic like that by binding IPs to switch ports.
 
Yeah, which is why i was surprised it was working on a college network
 
and it doesn't work very well if you're on a different VLAN
well
educational institutions are usually remarkably bad at network administration
like, exposing physical access to protected network segments
and not using VLANs
 
Well, they did use VLANs at least.
 
1:06 AM
Because I don't think anyone fully understands VLANs.
 
I know my company's network doesn't use them
In speaking of which, the IT manager is on vacation all week, so I'm alone in making sure nothing burns down >.>
 
Let it all burn.
 
@ewwhite why? they are dead simple.
though observation does indicate people have a lot of trouble with them (and subnets, and the OSI model, etc.)
see:
 
@FalconMomot I see them missing from a lot of network designs.
 
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Q: How do I set a domain name with a port in hosts file?

marabuttI have Apache and Rails running on my laptop. Apache is running on port 80 and rails 3000. in my hosts file I have entries like 127.0.0.1 dev.somesite.com This works well for Apache How do I add an entry that routes to port 3000? Something like 127.0.0.1:3000 dev.somerailssite.com ?

@ewwhite this doesn't imply that they are hard, so much as that the network architect was stupid.
 
1:12 AM
@FalconMomot It's that kind of night...
 
Perfect example... one of my clients.
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Q: Customer site is out of IP addresses, they want to go from /24 to /12 netmask... Bad idea?

ewwhiteOne of my client sites called to ask me to change the subnet masks of the Linux servers I manage there while they re-IP/change the netmask of their network based on a 10.0.0.x scheme. "Can you change the Linux server netmasks from 255.255.255.0 to 255.240.0.0?" You mean, 255.255.240.0? "No, 25...

 
/12 really?
I mean
you can, if you want, renumber like that
but... why would you want such a giant broadcast domain?
of course
 
They ran out of IPs because their data, phones, video/cameras, and wireless RF warehouse infra was all on the same subnet.
 
cisco does us all a great disservice by certifying network experts who have merely memorized a bunch of proprietary IOS commands
yeah, go figure.
 
@FalconMomot And, cisco certs are hard to train for without shelling out a bunch of cash :(
even their "virtual" tools cost money :[
 
1:14 AM
the IOU emulator is eminently piratable though.
and, it's possible to study for them with just the books
though I only ever bothered to write the ICND1. I haven't dealt with cisco stuff or needed a certification for anything for a good long time.
I'd like to write the CISSP someday though.
 
In speaking of certs, I really should be studying for my Network+ soon ...I bought the voucher like 3 months ago
 
network+ is trivial
I wrote it when I was 18 I think
 
their practice exam software makes me sad though ..it's like from the '98 era
 
yeah......
they have some fibre on there
otherwise, very 1998.
(why do we still talk about classful subnetting?)
 
Class B 4 LYFE!!
3
 
1:18 AM
/me vanishes
 
I think I saw questions on netbios and netware on it
I was like ...people still use that?
 
@NathanC That's how you know you don't want a certification
 
I mean I got my A+ and that was with the actual exam having none of the practice subjects on it
The practice exams still had windows 2000/XP on it
and the exam was XP/Vista/7
Well that's new. Brand new flash drive ...hardware installed failed because it's an unknown device
 
posted on June 17, 2013 by ryan

I've been building lots of new Server 2012 machines lately, which means lots of Server Core, which means lots of command line interface, which means lots of Powershell. So, a few quick tricks I've found useful the past couple days. foreach($_ In Get-ADComputer -Filter *) { Invoke-Command -ComputerName $_.Name { Set-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Filesystem -Name Ntf

 
1:40 AM
@ewwhite it hadnt been replicating for the last 2 days
 
Meh, it's just an annoyed USB header I guess. It'll take a mouse, but plug in a flash drive and Windows is like "dafaq is this?"
 
2:24 AM
@NathanC I think as time goes on, you lose more and more of the USB headers
 
How exactly are you defining a "header" ?
 
2:59 AM
So, I've gone and backed this:
Here's to hoping that a) early next year I will get a 3D printer, and b) it's not totally shit
 
@MarkHenderson I want one
 
Although I have never, ever backed a kickstarter project that was on schedule
 
@MarkHenderson I mean they're close to 1mil in funding
 
@MarkHenderson: eheh. They're local to me ;p
 
I really liked the "yar!" at the end.
Sold it for me.
 
3:05 AM
@Cole That was pathetic
Actually their video sucked
 
haha
 
But the rest of their sales pitch was up to scratch - apart from the obviously screenshotted table in word, complete with red squiggly underlines
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, total pledge came to $520 for me - $100 for shipping plus a few extra spools of PLA or ABS
I've backed quite a few things on kickstarter over the past few years, so far most of them have turned out quite well
 
@MarkHenderson How's Monday? Should I be worried?
 
you should always be worried about Mondays
 
3:21 AM
@WesleyDavid Fine so far. I went to bed with a migrane last night and it's still subsiding, and it's after lunch
So, YMMV
I also haven't run since Friday night and I can't run again until Wednesday so I'm feeling like a bum
Which means that I have 3 running days to reach my goal of 45km in 30 days
I have 10k's to go, so that's going to be fun
 
@MarkHenderson Hmmm.... eat high protein and light to feel like less of a sack?
Did you ever buy a scale?
 
@WesleyDavid I did and then I regretted it because it's horribly calibrated
I should have bought an analogue scale
 
@MarkHenderson Uh huh. Blame it on the calibration.
 
@WesleyDavid Well it's telling me that I weighed 99kgs
 
@MarkHenderson Maybe... you do? =P
 
3:26 AM
Which is a load of shit because the patient scales last I stepped on told me that i weighed 98kg's before I started
 
@MarkHenderson Yeahhh... get a nice digital scale. I've got a good one and it's pretty darned accurate.
 
@WesleyDavid This one gives swings of up to 3kg's depending on how you stand on it too
Don't like the reading? Move your feet closer to the edge
 
@MarkHenderson Ergh, yeah, I hate mechanical scales for that reason.
 
Anyway I'm not that concerned with the weight
It's the circumference of the waist I'm most concerned with, because that's the real health risk for men
 
I have a digital scale as well, pretty accurate
 
3:40 AM
@EvanAnderson - I didn't see this question till just now, but I still have Pervasive btrieve 8 databases :( Long live Btrieve! — Mark Henderson 1 hour ago
Poor schmuck, has 15 year old databases he has to keep online
 
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Q: Passive ethernet tap

bgsI'm having an hard time figuring out why can't I capture the packets flowing between two devices, in both drections, using a self made ethernet tap, with cooper cable, which looks just like this one: Both end devices (say, A and B) are connected to a switch. But since the sniffer (a regular la...

holy crap, he added a picture.
 
@FalconMomot I added it
 
@MarkHenderson aah.
I can imagine reflections rendering the signal useless, among other things.
just... ugh.
 
@FalconMomot Cooper
OMFG gotta edit that
 
@Jacob I know. I decided not to make the single-character edit.
 
3:56 AM
@FalconMomot fixed
 
Ffun.
-f
 
@FalconMomot ?
 
hmm?
 
4:12 AM
evenin' gents.
 
4:23 AM
Hi
 
4:41 AM
@Adrian Suuuuuup
 
@WesleyDavid The rest of the family is playing a 30-year old version of Taboo, so I'm catching up on my data model planning.
 
@Adrian Kewl. I've been dickin' with the Ruby tuts at Code School. Seems... kinda quirky?
Ruby that is, not Code School.
I dunno, just seems different.
 
yeah, it's still better than PHP though.
 
What's your major couple of gripes with PHP?
 
It stands for Personal Home Page, and it grew from that mindset. The problem with PHP is cultural.
Likewise, everything that's awesome about Ruby is cultural.
 
4:46 AM
@WesleyDavid Spaghetti code
Since I learned MVC, there's no going back
@MilesErickson I thought it was Pre-Hypertext Processor?
 
@WesleyDavid Lack of consistency, mostly. Variable and calls have different naming conventions depending on what you're working with.
@MarkHenderson Personal Homepage Punter.
 
@Adrian omg, yes! Lack of consistancy. Some functions are camel case, some aren't
And lack of objects
I miss me some objects
 
@MarkHenderson As someone who happened to be one of the first people ever to use PHP, I can assure you that "Parallel Hypertext Processor" is a retronym.
 
@MilesErickson Hello handsome. Long time no see.
 
@MarkHenderson And Ruby, well, EVERYTHING IS AN OBJECT!!!!1!!!1!
 
4:47 AM
@MilesErickson haha ok
 
@MarkHenderson I think that's what irks me with PHP is the pseudo objectification, but mostly none.
 
@WesleyDavid Hey there, kitty.
 
@Adrian And yes, I've notgiced that. Freaks me out a little. =)
 
@WesleyDavid Every time I have to use something like stringToUppercase() instead of string.toUpper() (ok bad example) it shits me
Or sizeOf(array) instead of array.length or array.size
 
@MarkHenderson That seems more like a nomenclature issue than a fundamental language design problem though. Which, yeah, is bad enough on its own.
I'm trying to pile up fundamental design flaws against PHP.
 
4:49 AM
@WesleyDavid I would never, ever start from scratch with PHP ever again
The only one I would use less is Classic ASP
 
@WesleyDavid Of course it's a fundamental design problem. Here you have a procedural scripting language for personal home pages that was based on C-like psuedocode, that's been extended to be sort of object-oriented.
 
@MilesErickson $job[-2] started writing their internal web-app in PHP way back in 2002. The problem is that it's 2013 and they're still writing it almost entirely in PHP and very little Javascript/AJAX to make it work better for the users.
 
@Adrian Not an uncommon problem.
 
These days I'm all .NET and to hell with licensing costs, or finding a public host who will run it properly, or all the prerequisites
 
@MilesErickson Yes, that's my big takeaway. Procedural at heart, the designers stapled on object oriented themes and hoped the seams wouldn't be too rough.
 
4:51 AM
@WesleyDavid The developers? Back in the day, it was one dude named Rasmus Lerdorf.
 
@MarkHenderson Azure all the things? Talk to @ITHedgeHog
 
@MilesErickson Did he kill his wife? Or his neighbour? Or anyone?
 
@MilesErickson Yeah, doesn't help that they've been hiring either really new people who aren't Developers by trade or hiring duds because they're cheap, well, that's what you get.
 
@MarkHenderson No, but it looks like he spent most of his career at Yahoo and currently works for Etsy.
 
@MilesErickson Factoid: Works at Etsy now.
 
4:52 AM
@MilesErickson He might just kill himself then
 
@MilesErickson Beat me to it. shakes fist
 
Not a fan of OSS by a developer who hasn't killed anyone
jk my wife buys crap from etsy
Probably more satisfying than Yahoo
 
@MarkHenderson Hey, I'd work anywhere that John Allspaw does.
 
@WesleyDavid I don't know who that is but I assume he is sexy
 
@MarkHenderson Wrote some cool books. Is considered one of the "fathers" of devops (real devops, not the no-ops bullshit). Blog: kitchensoap.com
@Adrian BTW, Code School's first Ruby course was done by the so-called "Why the Lucky Stiff" who did "Why's Poignant Guide to Ruby"
 
4:58 AM
@WesleyDavid Is it any more coherent than his Poignant Guide? Because the Poignant Guide is pretty much an ode to mental illness.
 
@Adrian ...it makes sense to me? Is that bad?
CHUNKY BACON!!
 
@WesleyDavid It kind of makes sense, but there's so much stuff packed around it that it's tougher than it ought to be.
And that star wasn't me either.
 

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