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00:06
Have you seen the series "History of Scotland" or whatever it is by the guy from Coast? Most of the "Scottish" identity was invented by Walter Scott.
certainly the "highlander" bit
@ScottPack nostalgia: YOU CAN HAS
@Andrew "Sir".
@ScottPack "Sir Walter Scott, 1st Baronet" but the article title omits the honorifics
Which article?
@Andrew: you mean the scots didn't have immortals running around, lopping each other's heads off?
00:12
@JourneymanGeek no, hence the lowercase "h"
Sir Walter Scott, 1st Baronet (15 August 1771 – 21 September 1832) was a Scottish historical novelist, playwright, and poet, popular throughout much of the world during his time. Scott was the first English-language author to have a truly international career in his lifetime, with many contemporary readers in Europe, Australia, and North America. His novels and poetry are still read, and many of his works remain classics of both English-language literature and of Scottish literature. Famous titles include Ivanhoe, Rob Roy, The Lady of the Lake, Waverley, The Heart of Midlothian and The...
I suppose that makes some sense, since the article is intended to be about the person and not the title, and should be categorized accordingly.
@JourneymanGeek Hah. When I was a kid I wanted to be a highlander.
@MarkHenderson Well of course. That's our childhood!
Sorry, never seen it. I did watch something equally crazy last night though: Mad Max.
@Andrew Mad Max was a good movie
00:21
Except for Highlander 2. I just pretend that never happened.
Like The Matrix trilogy, #2 and #3, not so great
THUNDERDOME!!
@ScottPack 2 users enter, 0 users leave
(we decided it was just better if we dropped napalm on the thing)
@voretaq7 So do you want to be Master or Blaster?
@ScottPack well, blaster gets killed...
00:22
@voretaq7 Honestly. That could really be either a blessing or a curse.
@voretaq7 8 users enter, 9 users leave, and -255 users are left, because they forgot to use a unsigned int
@MarkHenderson FUCKING DEVELOPERS.
They probably also blindly used the pointers without checking to see if the contents made any sense.
*0? Seems legit.
pointers? people still use them?
I thought it was all Ruby and AJAX
00:26
@Andrew Goddamn JavaBabies
I had a professor who required all code be built with -Wall -Werror. I can't tell you how many times I ended up casting as void * just to get the gorram compiler to stop complaining.
Firefox spellcheck has decided that neither "learnt" nor "spellcheck" are words.
do not doubt the computer!
@ScottPack: I had to walk my professor through putty
@ScottPack Been watching FireFly lately? ;)
/me can't wrap his head around a primarily manageral IT guy
00:29
@JourneymanGeek Thankfully, I didn't have that problem. These guys actually do good work and are, you know, competent.
@MarkHenderson Not lately, no. I may have to shuffle it into my rotation.
@ScottPack: Well, the thing is, when we have IT management related modules the guy knows his shit
@ScottPack Your use of the word "Gorram" makes me think its had a permanent affect on your lingo ;)
the moment we're talking about stuff thats hands on tho...
For what it's worth it took me about a year to stop saying "frack" after watching the entire Battlestar Galactica series in about 3 months
lol. My entire vocabulary of cusswords is from sci fi.
00:30
@MarkHenderson You see, I come home for lunch every day. I like to queueueueueueueueueueueue up TV series and watch half an episode while eating.
@MarkHenderson ever play the boardgame? the new one?
@MarkHenderson Finishing up SGU right now, thinking I may hit Caprica next.
@ScottPack I used to do that, but I discovered it got too frustrating to stop half way through
@Andrew Nope
Last board game I played was Settlers of Catan and my sister and brother-in-law destroyed everyone else
BSG is great fun
00:31
@ScottPack Caprica was OK, but it was a bit weird
@ScottPack yep
@JourneymanGeek Ah, yeah, that would suck. I came out of a CS program in the Engineering college. All of that IT stuff was taught in an entirely different college at the university.
with various parts of both expansions
@Andrew I really dug it, but it wasn't really a BSG show, it was just based in the same setting. I think, more than anything else, that's what killed it. Same with SGU.
@ScottPack: part of the problem I guess is I'm in a computer forensics program, and there's not many people who can teach it
00:33
I haven't seen any BSG, old or new.
picking up on it from playing the boardgame, though.
@Andrew I've played it a few times, thought it was a really interesting setup. I think, much like a gothic horror game, you really need the right group to play with. I don't have one of those now, and even the group I did play it with wasn't great for it.
@JourneymanGeek That would be a hard one, yeah. It is funny though. Of both my undergrad and grad program I only had about 3 weeks of coursework that was directly applicable to my job.
@ScottPack: guy who wrote the course is a ex cop/aussie intelligence agency guy. Guy who teaches at the local campus used to be working for various government TLAs doing IT management ;p
@JourneymanGeek And that was the 3 weeks in Advanced OS where we were writing an ext2 filesystem driver for Solaris (on SPARC). That section has been invaluable to my forensics work. Pretty much everything else has been relegated to useful context.
@ScottPack: thats.. unusual
Most forensics courses are very much at the high level
I haven't touched a single line of code in the past year ;p
@JourneymanGeek Which is really lame. Sure, you really need to understand evidentiary procedure and all that. But how can you really do file carving or slack space analysis without understanding how the filesystem is put together?
/me sighs
Right. Crying toddler.
Night all.
00:38
@ScottPack: annoyingly? We haven't ever done either
Fun fun ;) Cya
@JourneymanGeek Or building event timelines for tracking root cause of compromise, or user activity for finding evidence supporting, or clearing, culpability.
Phaw
oh, that we do
Most forensics programs are written by cops after all
Which is unsurprising, and quite unfortunate, why the actual technical stuff wouldn't be in there. I mean, all those things you say you do do require the things you say you don't.
Ss an anecdotal data point we provide the forensics services to the cops.
00:58
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Q: How does IPv6 subnetting work and how does it differ from IPv4 subnetting?

Michael Hampton This is a proposed Canonical Question about IPv6 Subnetting. I know a lot about IPv4 Subnetting, and as I prepare to (deploy|work on) an IPv6 network I need to know how much of this knowledge is transferable and what I still need to learn. IPv6 seems at first glance to be much more complex t...

OK, please help me improve it.
What is IPv6 and how do I get it? Are there such things as reserved private ranges? etc. etc.
can ipv4 map to ipv6 or does it all need to be thrown out?
Do I need to replace all my IPv4 hardware?
So.. regarding GoDaddy
Looks like they only have one AS number (26496), and it only peers with two ISPs?
@ShaneMadden Ooops... that's no good.
what would be appropriate?
their entire image has always struck me as unprofessional. Really, what sort of IT company sponsors racecars, has a silly cartoon logo, silly jingle, and uses Grid Girls in its ads? Or advertises on TV at all?
@Andrew Dell? HP? IBM?
Oh wait... no cartoons for them.
01:11
@Andrew They're professional shitheads
I've not seen Dell, HP or IBM trying to seduce me into buying their product
@ewwhite More ISPs, at least - and more geographic locations with their own AS numbers (and their own DNS servers). I'm sure they've got a fairly beefy pair of routers handling the advertisement for the AS, but as far as a DDoS goes, it's a single point of crunch.
"We'll take care of you!" (wink wink)
Actually there's more peer AS numbers showing up now than when I looked a bit ago
@Andrew You should see Intel. You wouldn't believe the metric assload of booth kit I've seen them throw out.
01:14
Ok, so when Intel are advertising on TV it's usually some retailer pushing ultrabooks
What I've seen are either marketing flip-books on their processors or just Intel branded junk.
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Q: ActiveX, VBScript, Word cannot create file

OrangeGroverI am working with an application that uses VBscript/ ActiveX to embed Word in a browser. This application is not able to create the Word file to edit in the browser if it is not run as an administrator- instead I get and popup from Word saying: "Word could not create the work file. Check the tem...

I... I don't even...
SO can have that one
01:42
I cringe every time I see someone using cygwin
I just want to scream "You're doing it wrong" but sadly, that's unproductive
Your face is unproductive.
I know! It's so pretty everyone just stares at it and doesn't get any work done
There's another explanation for the staring.
That's why I have to put my head in a paper bag. Flip side, paper bags + kitty == fun!
I tried it and gave up. Then I discovered MSYS and VirtualBox.
01:44
@ScottPack Which is? That they're afraid that if they look away their heads will explode?
@Andrew MSYS sort of a step in the right direction :p
I'm guilty of using wget
And tail
/me uses gow
but mainly cause I am guilty of cut and grep abuse
I generally end up using awk instead of cut.
virtualbox shared folders, yeah
I do not believe this. I just had our new sales guy ask me "There's no porn at work, right>?"
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I know, right? Why would he even bother asking.
Of course there's porn at work!
01:48
@ScottPack Unless you're @ewwhite
The only place where that would be sane to ask would be if you worked for a porn site.
(or a proper nix-clone. pick a flavour)
oh, right.
Though I suppose it'd be like working for a pharmaceutical company and expecting free samples
@MarkHenderson Why would @ewwhite need porn at work? Doesn't he already get the daily dose of hawtness from a mirror?
01:51
though that being said, people who work at wineries get odd lots, end runs etc. to take home
You know what sucks for porn at work? Open floorplan.
Ok, for once I'm actually torrenting a linux ISO. 300 mb in 5 minutes on a home connection. I am floored.
@sysadmin1138 Truth.
Brings whole new meaning to "community standards".
@sysadmin1138 Also, hi. Haven't seen you around for a while.
01:53
I've been busy. Pushing this out the door, logikcull.com
@sysadmin1138 Dude. If we all have to agree on what porn to watch, we'll never finish.
@JoelESalas It turns out that's what iPads are for.
@ScottPack I was referring to the work he did for brazzers, but yes, your statement is still valid
@sysadmin1138 Hah, did you see the video of the guy caught looking at porn in the backgroudn of the finance report
@MarkHenderson No I did not!
01:56
@MarkHenderson That's where I started, but why bother ending there?
@MarkHenderson That is awesome!
See also: Open floorplan.
@sysadmin1138 Oh yeah! I saw your teaser post about that. I meant to look into it.
@ScottPack One security-person of my acquaintance has drooled over it already. Apparently if you've ever handled eDiscovery via a certain package beginning with the letter L, what we wrote is jaw dropping.
@sysadmin1138 I've never been involved in any actual eDiscovery software. Thankfully all of ours have been pretty specific, and we come at it from the forensics starting point.
Ah yes, so you deliver the goods unto the people who have to deal with that stuff.
02:03
@sysadmin1138 Allegedly. More often than not the request is specific enough that our product is pretty easily human browsable. We've only a couple of times gotten requests for cases that would have been big enough for big boy tools.
I have to say, it was pretty neat to see CNN reporting on an FBI case that you got to provide evidence for. That was a highlight. :)
@ScottPack Yeah, really.
Cases People Have Heard About occasionally come through our office (for the old product, currently on Internet-vacation due to marketing push for the new product).
@ScottPack It's neat isn't it :P Our software was used for collecting field data that was used to prosecute a bunch of companies who made fradulent reimbursements to the government
@MarkHenderson Lucky you. The only cases I've ever worked on that actually made it into news involved pictures/video and alleged children. What I wouldn't give to make the news on fraud.
@sysadmin1138 So Logikcul is all cloudy whatnots, right?
@ScottPack It's all over the marketing for a reason.
...data retention? wot is dat?
02:09
So how do you deal with importing, what is generally, fuck-tonnes of data? Shipped media and local imports?
@ScottPack It was a huge project. We had 500 Windows Mobile 6 devices (vomit) in the field doing inspections of 500,000 installations, generating about 200gb of data a week, all collated into neat exports to be analysed by the auditors
A little of both. The app has a direct import function so you can upload a zip-file of whatever your bandwidth can tolerate. For big stuff (or special needs projects) ship us a drive and we'll do the import.
@sysadmin1138 For a couple of gigs uploading doesn't necessarily seem that unreasonable, but it's getting to the point that a single pst could be that size. If your'e looking at, even a small department, I could imagine the email payload to be 10+GB alone.
is that including or excluding pictures of cats?
@ScottPack Don't we know it. PST-handling has been a big focus for us, as it's the email-format of choice for corporate-types.
02:12
@sysadmin1138 I'll bet. Kind of hard to get away from it.
@Andrew Oh, including of course. One of our key features is de-duping out mass-forwarded cat-email chains to one email.
awesome
The other thing we're so nifty for? The phrase "...from an iPad!" Nearly all such cloudy software is still IE-only.
ooh another PoE open weekend coming up
@Andrew Power over Ethernet?
02:18
@MarkHenderson Yeah, you just show up with your IP phone and are able to power it. No PBX though.
Huh. Right this moment we have 125,000 questions.
@sysadmin1138 Oh, so does your company get into vendor booths at security events?
Lucky 125k (for the moment):
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Q: How to configure postfix for per-sender SASL authentication

MarwanI have two gmail accounts, and I want to configure my local postfix server as a client which does SASL authentication with smtp.gmail.com:587 with credentials that depend on the sender address. So, let's say that my gmail accounts are: [email protected] and [email protected]. If I sent a mail with acc...

@MarkHenderson Path of Exile, like D3 but more betterer
I hear that IT people are into that sort of thing
@ScottPack Maaaybe, if that market shows interest in us. So far we're focusing on the litigation-support market.
02:21
We run a local (for definitions of local varying from employee only to state-wide) conference every year.
@sysadmin1138 Sure, makes sene. Which is, really, only tangentially related.
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Q: Parralelization in Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2

stan31337We have a specific accounting and production software, called 1C, which uses single user connection to the MS SQL 2008 R2 database. And there are about 500 users connecting to 1C server to perform their tasks. 1C and SQL 2008 are on separate servers. How to configure MS SQL 2008 R2 to effectivel...

Ergh... I think this dude is drunk. >_<
Verbal abuse from a client's client is teh funs.
@MarkHenderson agreed about Windows DNS being magical, I can never get consistent answers out of it.
@Andrew I understood less then half the words in that sentence :p
oh. free2play action-RPG like Diablo 3?
02:25
@WesleyDavid When I was at Cisco we had a guy who admitted to being high as a kite, and when I told him that the AVVID team were really busy and it might be a 1 hour wait, he goes "No worries, I'm gunna go out the back and smoke a doobie to pass the time"
or the other one?
@Andrew Windows DNS is not magical. it works fine. But Windows does not just use DNS for its name resolution
DNS is just one part of Windows name resolution.
And it's the same for *nix. It uses hosts and then uses DNS if that lookup fails
Are they ever gonna kill netbios name resolution?
Using nslookup is not a good test of any name resolution, it's just a good test of DNS name resolution
@ShaneMadden I fucking hope so. I'm sick of having to maintain short computer names
@ShaneMadden First thing I do on any Windows box is turn that shit off. Fuck NetBIOS.
02:27
@MarkHenderson Seriously.
@JoelESalas Uh, well, if you want your AD to work as intended, you have to respect the NetBIOS crap.
@MarkHenderson If a guy is stoned, that's cool. Alcohol makes people combative and violent though. I never had a stoner get angry.
@HopelessN00b wat
@JoelESalas I've killed off the use of netbios name resolution/WINS at my previous 2 jobs. Current job never used it.
@HopelessN00b How much do you know about Group Policy?
02:28
@sysadmin1138 So, seems like it's probably not worth mentioning you guys to our planning people.
@HopelessN00b Not since.. some old service pack level of Exchange 2003, no?
@ShaneMadden It is the prerogative of just men to not suffer evil to survive.
@JoelESalas Yeah. Try using two PCs with the same NetBIOS name on a Windows domain, for example. Gets ugly, even if you disable the fucking thing.
@MichaelHampton Enough to be dangerous, not enough to write a book on the subject and retire.
@HopelessN00b Oh, well that's the uniqueness change on the computer account's sAMAccountName.
@HopelessN00b Cut your teeth on this one, then: serverfault.com/q/425823/126632
02:30
@HopelessN00b Oh I get that. I mean that letting clients use NetBIOS to actually resolve names is a disaster
@ScottPack No worries.
@JoelESalas Oh, sure, no doubt about that. But we're still stuck with the effing domain using it, sigh.
Okay, drunk dude is calmed down and apologized.
02:31
@WesleyDavid This is true
@WesleyDavid Starred a million times for the million parties I've been to and see that happen
Sadly it's also been about a million years since I last went to a party
@MarkHenderson Well, at least 3, right?
@MarkHenderson Not even a grown-up party with hors d'oeuvres?
@ScottPack Spoken like a true parent :p
@MichaelHampton Oh, nifty. Finally, being stuck with thousands of XP clients is going to be good for something. I'll give that a test and see if I can make the CTO's head explode by changing everyone's wallpaper to a cartoon car.
@JoelESalas No because all my friends are cockwrappers who don't have kids
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02:33
@MichaelHampton I read that and thought "why no Win7 if 2008 server?"
@MarkHenderson Yeah, the parties that I go to involving alcohol also involve polyhedral hunks of plastic and 1" toy soldiers.
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@MarkHenderson So their parties tend to be of the "Get trashed, dangle a dude off a balcony, talk chicks into getting naked, get the cops called on you" variety?
@MarkHenderson Starred for use of the word: cockwrapper
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@ScottPack "miniatures", not "toy soldiers"
@JoelESalas Hah, yeah :(
02:35
@MarkHenderson oh you know footy players?
@ScottPack fwiw if those polyhedral chunks of plastic is Lego, I can live with that
@Andrew No, but when they've had 15 shots everyone acts the same
Can you recycle cockwrappers?
@Andrew I'm not going to call a spade a trencher because it sounds cooler. :)
02:37
@sysadmin1138 Fantastic
Now I'm going to have to pump that on my way home
I know! It's great!
That gave me a genuine cheek to cheek grin
@ScottPack Ah, I mis-interpreted
Those damned things never stop rolling.
Great cat toys though.
02:39
@sysadmin1138 They seemed like such a reasonable idea too.
Even when they do finally bow to friction, the motherfuckers are nearly impossible to read.
and hence PDAs were invented.
30-siders are bad enough, but at least they don't require an absolutely level surface.
@MichaelHampton Cannot replicate. I'll try it from work tomorrow in case the VPN connection's fucking it up... er, making it work unexpectedly... or whatever.
Never used a 30, a d10/d3 should be good enough for anyone.
the europeans had a better idea: eliminate as many dice as possible
use cards instead
or use multiple d6
02:42
I was recently hearing about a game that uses cards for initiative, with a redraw every round. That seemed pretty interesting, but I can't remember what it was.
@HopelessN00b Yeah, I thought it was right, but my guess is he either did something wrong, or didn't wait for the new policy to get pushed.
@Andrew There are lots of US games that use gobs of d6s as well. They usually involve some kind of dice pool mechanic.
The old Ghostbusters RPG from West End was one of those.
hmm, I forget who did Kingsburg
@MichaelHampton Yeah, my money's on something like that. I'd guess you're right too.
oh right, lots of people including FFG
02:44
@ScottPack: people used to do that with larger battletech games
category: dice, mechanic: dice rolling. mmm
@JourneymanGeek When my old group first started playing DnD 3rd we rolled for initiative every round. I did really like the dynamic feel that it gave combats, but it really seemed to bog things down. I am mildly considering bringing up the card draw notion as a way to get that dynamic feeling without piling more crap on the board.
anything with setup or gameplay more complex than settlers is out for me.
@ScottPack: thats precisely the idea tho. rolling initiative per player breaks down with anything more than 4 people
ESPECIALLY with games that are dice heavy
@JourneymanGeek And it's funny how quickly it breaks down. Four is ok, 5 is annoying, 6 starts to get downright painful.
02:49
headesk I JUST realised how to use the shutdown command properly
after years of dabbling in linux ;p
@JourneymanGeek you use the aliases, surely. halt and reboot.
sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now "Hope you saved your work, bitches!"
@Andrew: I never shut down ;p
this is a fresh VM tho
pfft, real men have $ echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
... and why don't I have fortune installed???
Real men don't use PATH. They know where all commands are.
And we hit 125,001. :(
02:56
real ubuntu users don't know paths, they rewrite "command-not-found" to sudo apt-get install & execute
or something
Real men are off getting busy with the real women, not talking about CLI semantics in chat.
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@ChrisS I'm pinning that motherfucker
@ChrisS We are not amused, old man.
@ScottPack -2 difficulty to saving throw?
@ChrisS I touch it in an effort to attempt to disbelieve.
03:05
@ChrisS Only for three weeks out of the month.
@ScottPack Oh, trips trap of acid arrow, take 1d4 damage for the next 1d8 turns.
Well, on the downside that probably kills me. On the upside, it means I get a beer break!
@ScottPack Gesh, what level/class are you?
@ChrisS 1st lvl Admin, 2nd lvl Analyst. They're d4 HD of course, what do you expect from a knowledge based class?
@ScottPack Alright, well apparently the secretary for your division used to be an EMT, so she's effectively a cleric for the purposes of healing acid wounds. Take only one round of damage before your ass is saved by a girl.
03:12
Time to work on that pity bonus to Diplomacy. Aww yeah!
Question. Is it possible to award a bounty to a CW answer? And does the person who answered it actually get the rep?
@MichaelHampton I know you can before it becomes a CW, not sure about after.
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Q: Can a community wiki answer win the bounty?

dlamblinIn a cruel twist, the person with the leading answer for my bountied question has turned his post into a community wiki answer by editing it a lot. Is he still going to win the reputation for the bounty? Also, it's not actually a substantially new answer. Had I liked it 11 months ago, I wouldn'...

Oy, it's late. Gentlemen, I bid you adieu.
03:17
@ScottPack I do you a bid.
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Q: Error installing TFS in Windows 8

Davi FiamenghiTrying to install TFS on my computer in order to make a demonstration. I can't figure out what else can I do to solve these errors: Information [ System Checks ] TF255142: Windows Firewall is not enabled. If you enable Windows Firewall after configuring Team Foundation Server, you must add...

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Q: Windows 7,find who accessed my computer on network?

pg2012It seems something tried to delete root c:/ folders on my computer and it did started delete process alphabetical order. Not sure what is cause. any known virus? We have company network edition of antivirus running, and full scan did not found any virus activity. That makes me suspious about some...

03:34
1. Too localized; upgrade to RTM
2. Off topic; contact your system administrator
Pure coincidence
04:26
evenin' Gents
04:38
Gents? Don't see any of those around here.
05:04
I see a lot of arseholes
@MarkHenderson It's a cat thing.
Cos we're so low to the ground
06:00
so apparently "corgi cat" is a thing or whatever
07:00
godaddy? Stopdaddy.
And on that cheesy note, Morning!
07:11
Today's project: Get puppet to manage the bind configuration for 14 domains.
I think it's time for a beer.

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