@MichaelHampton Hey - had an idea on your v6 problem... set up a host that only resolves to a AAAA and don't use the raw IP address.

@rnxrx Hm, interesting idea. I'll try that out here shortly.

@MichaelHampton If I had to guess, I'd say the issue was somewhere in how either the Zenoss code or the actual mysql driver was parsing out that address. Funny part is that you might be the first person to actually try to configure it! Are you just trying to go for an absolutely pure v6 deployment, or something?

@rnxrx I'm preferring IPv6 wherever possible.

it's always that kind of back-end stuff that's broken... OSPFv3 still uses a v4 address as its router-id (at least in IOS), SNMP traps to v6 was relatively recent, etc, etc

@rnxrx It also neatly solves the problem of "cloud instances" without public IPv4 addresses. Just throw some IPv6 on there and it's almost as good as magic server pixie dust.

Definitely - and parts of it are really easy and ready to go. It's always going to be that last 5% that kicks everyone's ass.

Right. And I want to get all the fun stuff out of the way before the big rush. (And I'll probably make a zillion rep on SF answering IPv6 questions...)

some day, anyhow - ironically it's exactly this kind of crap that impedes deployment

That too. I figure if I make enough noise, I'll help get a few bugs fixed and make it that much easier for the people who come after me.

...which at this point is virtually everybody, it seems.

Hell, nginx has IPv6 support because i complained very loudly about it.

heh - yeah.. I'm all about it, run it at home, recommend it at work, etc but there's a lot of these kind of minor use cases to overcome

that's cool - doesn't seem like the programming effort to make a process bind to a v6 address should be all -that- onerous

I think Igor said it took him less than an hour.

makes sense - it's really just not that alien... if the AAAA thing works then it just proves why you shouldn't use static IP's anywhere! good hygiene if nothing else, I guess

In C programming the main thing is converting from gethostbyname() to getaddrinfo(). The OS more or less takes care of the rest.

So you get 80% of the way there in five minutes, and 99.9% of the way there in five years... :)

Anyway I have IPv6 at home, and I even have it on my phone.

hell - it's probably easier on your phone!

IPX and SNA are somehow still alive

Haha, yeah, on my phone other people have to worry about the details.

...which is exactly how it should be!

so with some v4 setups it's possible to enter a raw IP as an integer... maybe v6 should have gone with something like that. Make it look more like a phone number. It would at least look friendlier.

I'm gonna have to hang on to my 2001:: addresses somehow though. In 20 years everybody will know I was here first :)

why not? I think I have two /48's... the price is right

last I checked most of the big cloud players didn't do anything much with v6, but I haven't checked my rackspace stuff in a while

Haha, I know, free /48's for the asking. No justification required, even! Why AREN'T people jumping on this?

seriously - then again maybe in 80 years people will be all pissy with us like the guys with legacy /8's

I think the latest word from Amazon was "eventually".

no commercial motivation

Fine, here's some commercial motivation. I'm going somewhere else until you all deploy IPv6. Bye!

even now the commercial load balancer pickings aren't the greatest with v6 - tons better than 2-3 years ago, but still nowhere near where it should be

yeah - but the constituent market for a lot of the amazon stuff is there because they don't necessarily have it together enough to even know to want it (...as evidenced by many of the amazon questions on here)

Sometimes it amazes me how some of those people managed to get a Linux server up and running.

I mean, I know it's pretty much point and click on AWS, but still... Shouldn't having to choose from 300,000 images put them off?

the barrier to entry is pretty low - as long as they can figure out where the shiny side of the CD is supposed to go they can pretty much get started

Oh, that's easy. It goes in the cup holder!

if it doesn't go in easily then just use your shoe to whack it in

I kind of wonder how many people start out with a desktop Linux and then actually go on to get seriously deep

A good chunk of the sysadmins I know started out without all the sharp edges removed

heh... maybe AWS should just offer a gnome desktop, or something

When I started, rm still deleted files.

that is a seriously annoying behavior, no doubt

no package management to speak of when I got started

and if you wanted shit to work, you ported it over from SunOS

Heheh. My first Linux, I had to download over DECNET onto a box full of floppies and then take home to install on my 386.

yep.. I bought a 387 specifically so that I could get Slackware to not crap on itself

I bought a 9600 baud modem so I wouldn't have to go to the computer lab all the time.

I downloaded all of it over a 9600 baud term server

yeah - I had been running BBS'es as a kid so I at least had that going for me.. 26 hours to compile a damned kernel

Hah, I didn't compile kernels until MUCH later.

I did manage to rm -rf /usr/X11R6 and learned my lesson.

it was the only way to go for a while - the only way to get hardware working, and then it was all kinds of crap to get the kernel small enough to actually work with LILO

exit

that'll do it every time

HAHAHHA, nice easter egg there, SE

there was a commercial version of X at the time - can't remember who made it, but it actually worked with our VGA cards at something beyond 320x200

Oh yeah, there was wasn't there.

getting 1024x768 was the shiznit

no way XFree was functional at the time, though

and making the damned slip client work on demand - ugh

I still end up in minicom to spot configure routers and such from time to time

And never, whatever you do, never feed it after midnight.

@Chopper3 I prefer my rail-fanning in film versus video....

@ewwhite Much more tasteful.

I'm no railfan, though... but there's a big community here, so I'm aware of it.

Sure, but the guy in that video...

It's a little deep.

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morning gents

Can anyone tell me if I have minimal memory (128 mb) if php-apc or regular php would be the best? Also do any suggestions for a lightweight webserver ? I want to run nagios on a raspberry pi

@LucasKauffman no idea about the RAM but I believe ngix is fairly lightweight.

@LucasKauffman Cut apache and MySQL down to the bone, and you could probably get away with it. Assuming you aren't monitoring more than a few systems.

@ewwhite If you're going to hand her the gun and the bullets, at least let us get out of the room before she starts shooting herself.

@MichaelHampton This is just an application umask issue. It's what happens when people don't provide enough initial info in the question.

"You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours."

@MichaelHampton done that loads - pop em in the improve or close chat room

@MichaelHampton Did you end up getting that Zenoss config working w/v6?

@rnxrx Not yet, I decided to spend Saturday night doing something fun. :)

Gotta figure that's some parse error on the address or some nonsense. I like the AAAA record idea.

The permissions question is getting nutty...

@ewwhite they need education, not a Q&A site

I didn't realize how bad it was until they added more info. I don't have an answer.

Application side, I'd think... But in the world of Linux ACL use,I'm not sure how widespread they are.

@ewwhite walk away - it's hard but sometimes it's the only way to keep your sanity

Gawd, I saw that one coming a mile off.

/me looks at his profile.

sigh

@WesleyDavid /me looks too and wonders ...

You just need a new cat.

@MichaelHampton that's not an easy thing

In case anyone missed this: It's official: 150,000 condoms ordered and passed out at this year's Olympics

@ChrisS Its only 9.30am and my day is already complete. Thankyou for that ;)

Mainly for The black one is the longest.

The article it links to is slightly less safe for work, but has a lot more information including photos.

I doubt much of that hanky panky will be going on in the Aussie camp. We won't even let husbands and wives share a room together