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12:11 AM
Oh dear god. Screenshots of Red Neck Linux: ninesys.com/fun
 
@lsiunsuex: forget about gnome or kde, you gotta go with CDE. Its the hot new old thing, man ;p
 
sticking with OS X - atleast it has photoshop :)
 
(That said, I lean towards LXDE or XFCE for actually getting shit down, desktopwise, or for live disks)
 
and no - the gimp doesn't compare
 
gimp is horrid ;p
tends to use paint.net on windows, but thats cause I don't do any actual proper image editing
 
12:16 AM
Gimp manages to crop and resize correctly. I rarely need to do anything else.
 
pixelmator is ok for os x but when the designer sends a 35mb photoshop file with all kinds of crazy shit in it, you probably wanna use photoshop
i need a crash course in setting up sendmail on centos 5.8 like right now
when i send emails to myself from php, their marked as spam and come from root user
 
@lsiunsuex yum install sendmail sendmail-cf. Take the localhost entry out of sendmail.mc and make. You're pretty close to done.
OH.
@lsiunsuex Just set the from address in php.ini sendmail_from argument.
 
@MichaelHampton php? sendmail? Sounds like you're about to goof, my friend.
 
@JoelESalas Personally I'm using postfix. But..what the client wants, eh?
 
@MichaelHampton Ugh ugh ugh -5hp -5hp -5hp
 
12:22 AM
@JoelESalas If you have better ideas, by all means share.
 
Client used ANTIQUATED DEMANDS! @MichaelHampton used APPEAL TO REASON! But it failed.
 
@JoelESalas You forget, I'm independent. If I don't like the client, I walk. :)
 
i dont care what i use - need to send email from php without it looking like spam - sendmail, postfix, fuckin fedex - whatever works :)
@MichaelHampton i've walked on 2 clients. 2nd time i got sued
 
@lsiunsuex Are you using the right HELO data
 
12:23 AM
@lsiunsuex Yeah, I'd say first step is to set up PHP to use a valid From: address, using sendmail_from option in php.ini
 
in the php.ini it says sendmail_from is for windows only
@JoelESalas fuck if i know
as much as i love linux, my love stops at LAMP
 
Also you're not exempted from needing SPF records, DKIM, etc
 
sendmail... no experience
 
That's what the P stands for
 
Hold on, gotta dig up the docs again
 
12:24 AM
Linux Apache MySQL Postfix
 
the p is php
 
@lsiunsuex Also the M stands for MongoDB in 85% of installs
 
looked into mongo and couch - meh
 
@lsiunsuex rofl I'm just dicking with you
These new-ish document stores aren't quite up to production quality
hell it took mysql 5 major versions before it got even remotely close to production quality
 
12:27 AM
And the A stands for A^Hnginx
 
@MichaelHampton anginx. First time setting it up will cause chest pains.
 
@AaronCopley - it's entirely possible that the original photo has your location encoded in its EXIF data, depending on your camera
 
@JoelESalas I spent a full day on it the first time I set up nginx. It seems to have been worth the trouble.
 
@MichaelHampton Nginx configuration forces you to do two things that apache doesn't: 1) understand how URLs get parsed 2) be REALLY sure of what your application needs to work
 
I notice that Flickr strips all of the exif data out of the photos it displays though, so I couldn't check on your linked image
 
12:29 AM
@JoelESalas One of them is free memory correctly?
 
@MichaelHampton I don't see nginx's RAM usage fluctuate much but it certainly doesn't require as much per request as apache
@MichaelHampton link for you: nbonvin.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/…
GWAN kicks ass apparently
 
@JoelESalas In 2008 I noted that Apache was a hog. I can't imagine how bad it's gotten now.
 
@MichaelHampton It's actually gotten a bit better, believe it or not.
 
@JoelESalas Hm, time to test G-WAN.
 
@MichaelHampton This is static content, of course
 
12:37 AM
Their benchmark vs. Tomcat looks pretty nice too.
 
better i guess
 
it's a 100-byte file..
Massive advantage to whatever web server sends smaller response headers. Apparently that's G-WAN?
 
@ShaneMadden Fucking G-WAN
I dont know if its a good product or not, all I know is that they took a massive shit all over SF about 6 months ago spamming every fucking answer possible
 
@MarkHenderson My thoughts exactly
I don't care how great G-WAN is - I'm never going to even consider using it due to that dick move they pulled.
 
@ErikA Ditto that
I won't do business with people who pull that sort of shit
 
12:46 AM
This was the guy, right? serverfault.com/users/120029/kernal
 
In fact I changed financial planners about 2 years ago because my old one wouldn't give me the option of not investing in certain industries; my new guy pulled my investments out of weapons manufacturers and casinos
@ErikA Don't remember tbh
But the answers look like carbon copies, so maybe
I know that he asked and answered g-wan questions under two accounts, so its possible that its the same crew
 
@MarkHenderson Ahh, I didn't know there were two accounts involved.
 
1:07 AM
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Q: VMWare ESXi 5.0: A duplicate IP address was detected

GeorgeWe get this error on ESXi 5.0: A duplicate IP address was detected for 192.168.x.x on the interface vmk1. The current owner is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx. Talking to VMWare support and googling it produced nothing! Help please! Thanks!

Serverfault is AWESOME for the confidence I have in my professional skills, on a completely unrelated note.
 
@HopelessN00b I know! I thought I was a pretty average sysadmin until I came here. Now I think I'm the bees fucking knees
I should show some of these questions to my boss and just remind him that at least I'm not that bad
 
That's such a facepalm.
 
Although, in retrospect, I should have maybe answered with "you have an ip address conflict" first, for +2000 rep, like @ewwhite and @ErikA did. :p Rep whores. :p
 
@HopelessN00b Hey - I take what I can get. :) Not much time to spend on SF these days.
 
@ErikA Not really complaining... just kinda jealous/surprised/embarrassed I didn't think of it first. I freaking know that. I really freaking know that... and I still missed it. D'oh!
 
1:15 AM
@HopelessN00b I've done that a few times. I know shit all about Linux but occasionally I'll answer a nice easy one for some quick rep.
Mind you the fact that I know shit all about Linux, but I still know how to mount a drive and create a symlink shows how much others know
 
Yup, nothing wrong with that, other than me not thinking to do it. :D
 
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A: Hard drive on server which hosts public_html folder is full. What to do?

Mark HendersonAssuming your html folder is in /var/www/public_html and your 2nd hard drive is mounted in /mnt/drive2 mkdir /var/www/public_html/morevideos ln -s /mnt/drive2 /var/www/public_html/morevideos And you can now upload everything you like into /var/www/public_html/morevideos and off you go

(and @MichaelHampton had to fix my syntax as well)
 
This guy is associated with G-WAN: stackoverflow.com/users/1079036/gil
 
@MichaelHampton Cripes - that guy tries to hawk his own product with nearly every answer he writes.
 
@MichaelHampton Apparently gwan can support 800,000 requests per second... I'd like to know on what they benchmarked that
 
1:19 AM
@MarkHenderson "deletes your pr0n"
 
Meh, GWAN's crap anyway. All it did was fuck up my IIS install. :o
 
can I just... ya know... revoke the VMWare dude's license to internet
 
@MarkHenderson It says on the graphs, Intel Xeon W3680.
 
Fuck, now I understand why @ShaneMadden was talking about 100-byte files before. Who the fuck serves a 100 byte HTTP response?
 
@MarkHenderson You notice the other facepalm on his SO profile page?


494 Rep, top 27% this year. Ouch. What a vibrant community.
 
1:21 AM
@MarkHenderson 100 byte?
 
I'd love to see better benchmarks on it.
 
@voretaq7 The gwan benchmark that hits 800,000 hits per second is only serving a 100-byte file
 
That's like barely enough for HTTP headers these days
 
Exactly
I bet that 100 bytes includes headers
 
@MarkHenderson ok, seriously? FUCK BENCHMARKS
 
1:22 AM
Of course, the "real" reason nobody's heard of G-WAN is it doesn't support PHP.
 
If you're not testing your entire application stack on production hardware your benchmark is less than worthless.
 
@voretaq7 But, c'mon, 800,000 headers a second? That's a lot of headers!
 
@HopelessN00b Fine. I can do it faster.
HTTP/1.0 400 FUCKOFF
Ill just write something to accept() print that and close() :-)
 
@voretaq7 FUCKOFF is error 403. 400 is "Whatchu talkin bout Willis?"
 
the entire 400 series is FUCKOFF :-)
 
1:24 AM
@voretaq7 Better too. If I could serve 800,000 "fuckoffs" a second, I'd be able to hold... um, how many million sysadmin jobs concurrently? Well a lot.

Telling people to fuckoff is basically all there is to this career, right?
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I could also do 303 SCRAM
 
This was an interesting read. I can't vouch for its accuracy, of course. gwan.ch/blog/20120518.html
 
"MY printer won't print" "Fuck off"
"I can't access my porn!" "Fuck off"
"We're getting audited, can you make sure our systems are secure?" "Fuck off"
"Here's the new atomic clock that we need to get installed so that all our RSA tokens are reliable" "Fuck off"
 
@MarkHenderson meh, you don't need an atomic clock
 
"Have we reached PCI compliance yet?" "Fuck off"
 
1:26 AM
Just find a retired bosuns mate and a half-hour glass
 
@voretaq7 I dunno, I was just trying to think of something expensive
 
@MarkHenderson my way is betters! Because every half hour someone whaps the server with a little hammer :-D
 
@MichaelHampton Thats fantastic. I love that he stopped censoring half way down as well
 
@MarkHenderson I actually had to tell someone today that they weren't receiving any email because no one had sent them any email since yesterday night. I didn't say "fuckoff," and it was physically painful.

Gawddamn helpdesk guys can't do that because "security" keeps them from getting access to look at message auditing logs. *sigh* Another 30 seconds of my life I'll never get back.
 
@MarkHenderson Well, the part of that guy vandalizing the wikivs page appears to be true. I just looked at its edit history.
 
1:30 AM
@MichaelHampton The gwan guy doesn't seem to realise the Australia and New Zealand are different countries though. He's french, that guy is NZ, but he quotes from an Australian court ruling
 
Yep, I saw that.
 
@HopelessN00b VMWare's solution.
 
> Correctly set the IP address with the esxcfg-vmknic command or set it to DHCP mode.
Ha!
 
@ewwhite Lol. Edit that into your answer. See if we can get him to ask what's a DHCP?!?!, HALP! in a few minutes. :D
 
@ShaneMadden I CANT! I'M INEPT!
 
1:35 AM
@HopelessN00b Anything that breaks IIS has to be good.
 
@MichaelHampton ANYTHING that breaks IIS, you say? So you think IIS is good? It breaks itself all the freaking time. :p
Anyway, time for this Windows guy to make like his OS and crash. Catch y'all later.
 
@HopelessN00b IIS is only good when it's not running. So...
So...when were Windows 8 and Server 2012 RTM supposed to be on MSDN again?
 
@MichaelHampton "When it's done."
 
@voretaq7 This is Microsoft we're talking about here.
It's not "done" until after the first couple of service packs.
 
@MichaelHampton you're right. "When marketing is done with it."
now that is a vicious lie!
It's done. (it just doesn't work yet.)
 
1:42 AM
Haha, OK, see you on the other side of SP1.
 
@MichaelHampton They'll just pull a 2k8 and call the release version SP1.
 
I thought they called the release version R2?
See, this is what happens when you let marketing choose the version numbers.
 
@MichaelHampton I mean for 2008 R1 - it released as SP1.
 
Oh, I skipped 2008 entirely, I knew something else was coming soon :)
 
2:13 AM
@voretaq7 The first step to recovery is admission.
 
@WesleyDavid They say the first step is admitting that everyone else has a problem...
 
2:59 AM
I hate developers.
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The reason PHP is running out of memory is because you have 478 Drupal modules.
 
@MichaelHampton I still have a hand in development tasks, and I even hate myself
 
I wonder if 250 reputation was a big enough bounty.
 
@MichaelHampton mrr?
 
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Q: MySQL Error: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '2001:db8:81:2c::2' (-9)")

Michael HamptonI'm trying to set up Zenoss 4.2.0 on CentOS 6.3 to monitor a MySQL server via IPv6. The firewall is open for the monitoring server and I can connect fine from the command line: [root@zenoss ~]# mysql -u zenoss -p -h 2001:db8:81:2c::2 ... mysql> SELECT CURRENT_USER(); +------------------------...

 
@MarkHenderson self-loathing is part of our job.
 
3:02 AM
@MichaelHampton I offered a 500 bounty once. Was a huge waste of rep.
 
Eh, I'll have it back in a day or two, so I'm not too worried about the number dropping.
 
@MichaelHampton I see you're using Chrome. I believe thats where your error lies, are you using a dev channel or stable?
 
@MarkHenderson Haha, very funny.
 
Please to update from dev channel to stable channel
On a related note, I already hate accessing IPv6 services as mentioned by a comment. Nothing like formatting a URL [2001:fbcd:43df:453a::43:3212]:8080
 
@MarkHenderson hostnames man! hostnames!
 
3:06 AM
Hostnames with WORDS in them.
www.facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:1f03:face:b00c:0:25
@MarkHenderson So what does the version of Chrome have to do with Zenoss running commands on a completely different machine?
 
@MichaelHampton Nothing, I just blacked out and entered superuser mode for a minute
The horror...
@MichaelHampton I can't wait to put b15b00b5 in an IP address. It's gunna be great
 
@MarkHenderson I can do that RIGHT NOW>
 
b15b:00b5:cafe:babe:dead:beef
I'll make it a PETA website
 
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Q: How can I calculate if a UPS is sufficient for my requirements?

SaarikoI am not that of an electricity knowledgable person, so I'll try to put as much info as possible. I have a Rack Mount UPS of 1800 Watts Model: PRP 3050 RM (in total I have 2 of these - talking about one specifically) I had to change it's batteries today, and that led me to think if it can suppo...

 
@MarkHenderson Thanks! That's how I'll make my millions. IPv6 squatting on all the octets that can spell things about boobies...
 
3:12 AM
Is this a good question?
 
@MichaelHampton Its certainly a common question
 
's alright. Not good, not bad. IMO.
 
More to the point, is it one that should be migrated to SF?
 
@MichaelHampton 2001:db8::feed:face:dead:beef
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@MichaelHampton it's good enough :-)
 
3:15 AM
Well, it does seem far too high quality for SU. Dunno if that makes it a migration candidate, though. :D
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Coincidentally, fe:ed:fa:ce:be:ef also makes a good MAC address.
 
I've just been numbering with ::2, ::3, ::4, and so on. I'm up to ::103 now...
 
Boooooooooooooooooooooooring
 
Oh god, speaking of MAC addresses, after a power surge yesterday we had a desktop at a client go a bit wonky. It thought it's MAC address was 00:00:00:00:00:00.
Know how we figured it out? It couldn't print to a particular printer. Everything worked except one of the printers.
 
Why not have a scheme that makes it impossible for someone else to maintain unless they hire you back as a consultant?
 
3:18 AM
@MarkHenderson I already AM the consultant.
 
@MichaelHampton Brilliant; keep yourself employed!
 
The thing is, I'm trying to save valuable space in my head.
 
I think IPv6 already fucks me over on that behalf. I have trouble remembering IPv4 subnets
Chance of remembering an entire IPv6 prefix? Nil
 
@MikeyB oy
 
@MarkHenderson I have a computer program that remembers all that IPv6 stuff for me. I call it a DNS server.
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3:20 AM
@MichaelHampton Smartass
Being a smartass is my job
 
@MarkHenderson Cat.
 
It's not like I get PAID to be a smartass. I just enjoy it.
 
@MichaelHampton Amateur.
Server Fault is a site for Professional Smartasses and related professionals.
:-)
 
@voretaq7 It says "professional sysadmins" not "professional smartasses".
 
@MichaelHampton Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
 
3:23 AM
@MichaelHampton BRB submitting bug report.
 
Being a smartass is only one small component of being a sysadmin. You also have to know:
* How to make acts of extreme violence look like accidents
* How to drive managers and users into mental institutions
* How to make the CEO like you enough to overlook just about anything
* Oh, and it sometimes helps to know how to run servers and networks
 
@MichaelHampton lies.
 
3:41 AM
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Q: Best mysql configure for server with 16 GB Ram?

KidI have server with 2xE5620 ,Ram 16 GB , 4x300 SAS HDD (raid 10) . But i don't know what the best mysql configure for this server ? Please tell me if you can . Thanks alot

The guy has a 1Gb database and he's concerned about the optimal configuration...
 
@MarkHenderson a ramdisk.
 
You have a 1Gb database on a server with 16Gb of RAM, 8 cores and 16 threads. Even if it's been compiled for ARM and is running through QEMU on Ubuntu running inside VMWare Server on a Windows XP host... i think you'll be fine nomatter what it's config — Mark Henderson 16 secs ago
 
Chao bac quanta ,neu minh nhin ko nham thi bac o ben HVA . Nen minh viet bang tieng viet luon . Minh dang cai dat 1 server . Minh su dung DirectAdmin ,chay apache 2.2 ,PHP 5.2 va muon su dung nginx lam reverse proxy . Voi cau hinh kieu nay thi nen su dung mod nao ? (fcgid,fastcgi hay php-fpm) . Cam on bac :) — Kid 4 mins ago
^ He does make a good point.
 
Looks like vietnamese
And according to google, it is
Chao bac quanta, not mistaken, if I look bac o ben HVA. Nen written in Vietnamese intelligence too. Minh City is installing a server. Clever use DirectAdmin, running Apache 2.2, PHP 5.2 and want to use nginx reverse proxy lam. With this configuration, you should use this type of mod yet? (fcgid, fastcgi or php-fpm). Cam on bac :) - Kid 4 mins ago
 
That didn't help much.
 
4:01 AM
You've earned the "Outspoken" badge. See your profile.
 
@MichaelHampton Stack Exchange's way of saying STFU!
 
As if THAT would ever happen.
 
@MichaelHampton A clear sign you've wasted way too much time in chat
 
Now all I need is a gold badge...
 
@MichaelHampton Go for "legendary", nobody has that one yet
 
4:06 AM
@MarkHenderson Chuck Norris said he'd kill the first one who does.
 
@MarkHenderson I am going for Legendary. Hitting 200/day isn't easy sometimes, though.
 
I'm only a few caps away from Epic. Haven't been capping much recently though.
 
I have an answer that just needs 9 more upvotes for me to get Populist. That might happen sometime this year.
 
I forget what the rep cap looks like...
 
@voretaq7 Same :( I havent even answered a question in 2 weeks
 
4:21 AM
@MarkHenderson I make up for it by deleting users. User 126632 seems like a good target :-)
 
@voretaq7 Go for it. That guy's just a smartass anyway.
 
@MichaelHampton and Sega is going to sue over the gravatar!
 
@voretaq7 Let them. I know a lawyer who will cut me in on the fees.
 
4:37 AM
 
Did I do something wrong there?
 
@MichaelHampton try turning it off and on?
 
Sure, I'll just go down to Peer 1 and reboot careers.SO
... Actually no, I hate NYC too much. Somebody else should go reboot it.
 
4:56 AM
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A: Using SSLv3 - Enabling Strong Ciphers Server 2008

user1227427If you guys are still having a problem with SSL v2 and Ciphers I personally used this product to make life a lot easier and to not have to play around with Regedit. Give it a shot if your not able to figure it out manually. You can find the site at: http://foundeo.com/products/iis-weak-ssl-ciph...

Spam or no?
 
@ShaneMadden Not your typical spam
 
@ShaneMadden Hmmm. Maybe?
 
I'd say monitor, wait and see what else he does
A single answer spammer does not make (usually does though)
 
Sounds good.
 
He also has an account on SO, and his posts there seem reasonable.
 
4:59 AM
Ah, he's probably alright then. 1-rep user posting on an ancient question with a product recommendation seemed questionable.
 
That's not to say it ISN'T spam, but it seems less likely than if it was his first time on any SE site.
Google only turns up one other link to that page, and it dates back to 2005. So he isn't going crazy all over the Internet with it.
(...and with as bad as their SEO is, they've probably only sold three copies since then...)
 
I'd rather see them promoting ssllabs.com/ssltest/index.html TBH
I trust that assessment, even though it still cries about BEAST
 
Not a good start
 
@MarkHenderson Is works for meeeeeee
 
5:21 AM
@voretaq7 What are you, a developer? "Works on my machine!"
 
@MarkHenderson Ouch, hitting a little below the belt, don't ya think? :D
 
Works on my network.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:27 AM
... something's wrong
Where's @Iain?
how am I going to know that it's time go to home?!
 
@MarkHenderson He doesn't show up every day at this time...
 
@MarkHenderson: You do realise one day, he won't turn up, and you'll be stuck there for all eternity... Like some sysadmin Blackfriars Bobby...
 
@JourneymanGeek Like today
I'm scared.
I might just go home anyway, even though he's not here
I hope he doesn't beat me on Monday
I'm guessing @voretaq7 has gone to bed, which means that SF is officially moderatorless for a period of time
So y'all behave now, you hear?
 
yay!
... er... sits at the computer.
 
Be good, I'll be back to check on you on monday
 
6:34 AM
It's actually true!
Or, more appropriate:
 
G'day
 
7:05 AM
Nice tandem and e-bike ride this evening, about 12k total to a friend's house and back.
 
7:18 AM
@Ward nice the weather is looking settles here so I'll get out later and tomorrow
 
7:57 AM
@Ward how long did it take you?
and was it a tandem e-bike?
 
8:12 AM
Morning all, ahh such a long morning already!
@ShaneMadden that looks like spam to me, not really an answer to the question. If that isn't spam, then there are dozen of other product recommendation everyone can give
 
8:26 AM
Morning.
 
Is that what you call it?
 
8:52 AM
he could call it ^*#^^$#*&#^$ morning?
 
It hasn't reached that stage, yet. Only had one power outage this morning and that only took out a few desktop rails. I'd say things are looking pretty good so far.
Still a couple of hours to go, though.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:18 AM
been ripping out my hair for the last 3 hours, only to realise the nameservers are functioning correctly, argh!
 
11:18 AM
Good morning all
 
Mods!
 
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Q: Resources for hiring techniques.

MannyI am a new entrepreneur starting a tech support company. I have noticed that companies like Zappos and Rackspace excel at hiring great knowledgable and personable people. I have helped hire at my current job, and the initial reads on new hires never turns out as expected. Are there good resources...

 
@ewwhite can't do anything about anon edits except reject em as vandalism
 
@Iain Is that a normal occurrence?
 
@ewwhite it's the first I've seen but I've heard of others, I don't think it's common
 
11:48 AM
maybe its a good thing i didn't take VC haha (i know its a parody)
 
Just had one of those Centralised volume license management vs. "Here's a cheaper box what I found on ebay" licensing arguments. They're always fun.
 
12:44 PM
@Iain I reject about 1/month
Spam edits are more common; maybe 1/week
 
Oh, so I foumd another good reason to hate RAID5, even on fast, low capacity SCSI
 
@JustinDearing Yeah, not news really. NetApp builds a lot of their software on FreeBSD. NetApp and MS are "partnering" to get their software running on Hyper-V. At least they were decent enough to open source the drivers and whatnot.
 
Bad block errors in the event log, yippie.
 
@ChrisS I'm happy more from a desktop perspective. Hyper-V is part of Windows 8, and I might use that instead of virtualBox. Also, for a 95% windows shop this is a good thing if you'd rather that one linux box to be that one freebsd box
 
@JustinDearing Oh I agree, no complaints. But I'll be disappointed if they didn't use the magic number in the driver.
 
12:54 PM
@justindearing is licensing on Hyper-V only rapetastic for the enterprise-grade options?
 
you mean 80082?
 
@HopelessN00b Hyper-V is free....
 
@ChrisS yeah that's the main value proposition Microsoft has. They make an OS, they give away the hypervisor.
 
@HopelessN00b And what's the reason?
 
@JustinDearing So? It's still free... You can download Hyper-V Server (2008R2 version still) from the MS website.
 
1:00 PM
Hyper-V is free, but the enterprise grade stuff you need to go along with it sure ain't.
 
@HopelessN00b It's not terrible...
 
@HopelessN00b Work in EDU, it's all cheap enough it may as well be free. :)
 
@ewwhite reason for Hyper-V's good stuff costing money? Or bad blocks?

MS wanting to make money for the former, and old disks for the latter.
@jscott. EDU or small business, yeah. Had my fill of those headaches for a while, thanks. :)
 
MS's most expensive suite of "Cloud" management software, the System Center 2012 Datacenter Edition, is still only $3607 per 2 CPUs (retail pricing, which nobody pays that much).
 
@ChrisS Oh. I'm embarrassingly out of date on their licensing costs, then. Thanks for the... clue-by-four.
 
1:07 PM
bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-09/… don't do it man. it'll give you herpes
 
If you just want SCCM & SCVMM the SA price is $62/y (2-year price) per CPU (with a dumb minimum of 2 CPUs per physical server; that one's still a head scratcher for me).
Anyone else addicted to the Google Doodle today?
@lsiunsuex Google needs to buy RIM's IP and release it under a cuddle license. End the manageable mobile question...
 
wow if ibm brought out rim, that would be world shocker
 
hate to let IP die but let it
it should be a warning to existing and future companies. if you fail to see that the industry is changing around you, you deserve to fail
IF IBM bought RIM, it would basically complete the circle of life. Almost all of the major companies will be in the cell phone business. Google, Apple, MS, IBM - all we're missing is Intel to get in on it
 
1:22 PM
RIM's IP isn't going to die, someone will buy it... Just a question of who. IBM is only talking about buying their Enterprise Services Unit (the part of RIM that runs their BB servers; like the servers that your BB talks to in order to get their information and whatnot).
I think Intel is smarter than to get into making whole cell phones. They're just fine making WiMax chipsets as well as various other chips.
 
i agree - side on the side making the chips for everyone else and watch the war ensue
 
This is especially after HP bought Palm and farked the whole situation up. HP really shot themselves in the foot there.
 
So I take it no one here thinks RIM has any hope of turning it around with their upcoming new release?
 
No, absolutely not.
 
@HopelessN00b theres a better chance of putting a man on Mars before BB10 comes out than BB10 succeeding when it comes out
 
1:26 PM
MS only has a longshot of turning their phone platform around... Palm is essentially gone. Apple and Android are the only competitive two.
 
IF BB10 succeeds i think it'll be like Palm. Good - different - but not enough to succeed - someone will buy the wares and kill it like hp did (purposely or not)
 
Hmm. Guess I'm a sucker for a longshot-comeback story. Not that I think it's likely, but I'm of the opinion that they've got an outside shot, and God I hope they pull it off because managing other smartphones at an enterpise level is sure all kinds of hell.
 
HP made the biggest, stupidest mistake you can when acquiring a company. They bought a beat-up loser, threw them in a pit, watched them flail around for a while, then put it out of it's misery.
 
i think IBM should buy all of RIM (not just server side) and I think RIM should make it attractive to IBM to do so. Say what you will about IBM and their slight decline (i dont think its as bad as some of you guys say it is) but they employee some awesome engineers. Use them to come back from the grave. Fill RIM with designers and use IBM for the engineers
 
@lsiunsuex RIM can't make themselves attractive. They've got almost no equity, though the stock price doesn't accurately reflect that. So you've got an overpriced nothing... Nobody is going to pay for that.
 
1:31 PM
anything can be attractive if its priced reasonabily - even if the price is $1 / share
 
@lsiunsuex IBM has only had a slight decline. But the way they're talking, they're going to push the company into a landslide decline. They aren't talking about getting competitive again, they're talking about stupid crap like laying off 90% of the company and trying to hire them on short contract basis.
 
even the name. People don't know IBM for phones; but they know RIM
even if its tainted
 
@lsiunsuex yeah, but the stockholders who paid $20/share aren't going to approve a sale of the company for $1/share.
 
some assholes approved the sale of motorola mobility knowing damn well it was being purchased for patents and the rest killed off eventually - wether they cared or not is another question, but the sale was approved none the less
 
@lsiunsuex "tainted" is being nice.
 
1:33 PM
nice
 
@lsiunsuex You know Motorola only sold it's cell phone division, right... less than 10% of the company.
 
a better picture would have been nuclear fallout from japan
i said mobility
 
Google will likely sell the design/manufacturing portion to Asus or one of it's favored suppliers.
@lsiunsuex Sorry... Reading too fast.
RIM had sales of $2,800,000,000; but is valued at only $4.1b. That's very telling.
A common P/E ratio is 20:1. Not 3:2
@lsiunsuex I don't like that photo either as it's from a site that thinks Fluoride is poisonous... More idiots that don't know the difference between Fluorine and Fluoride.
 
Um, flouride is bad. Well, can be. "Dental Florosis". :(
 
anyone here have any knowledge when it comes to laser equipment? trying to figure out if a laser light is dangerous or not
it's a class IIIa laser, and wikipedia says that it's dangerous to have direct eye contact for more than two minutes.. two minutes of this laser into the eye seems like a very, very bad idea
perhaps it's being projected (and then amplified).. or does that make any difference at all?
 
1:43 PM
@HopelessN00b yeah, that'd be great if we still used Sodium Fluoride.... ;] And unless your kid is drinking a gallon+ of water per day, it not enough to cause it.
 
Pretty much any laser shinig at you eye for 2 minutes is bad news. It's dumber than staring at the sun, really.
 
the thing is that I'm going to use this later tonight at a large discoteque
maybe I should just point it upwards so that it's impossible to get it into the eye
 
@chriss yeah, well, wish someoen had clued my folks into that. grumble I wouldn't have a decent house's worth of work in my mouth to make my teeth not look like complete shit. >:/
 
@pauska 1000s / p^2 = "safe" limit (where p is the power in mW)
 
Alright, clearly using chat from a smartphone is not a recipie for success. Too many fsking typos.
 
1:47 PM
@ChrisS I can barely multiply 9 by 9.. explain a bit more humanly please :)
Lasers in this class are mostly dangerous in combination with optical instruments which change the beam diameter or power density, though even without optical instrument enhancement direct contact with the eye for over two minutes may cause serious damage to the retina. Output power does not exceed 5 mW.
 
@pauska Most lasers you'll find in consumer electronics are <5mW. So 1000s / 5*5 = 40 seconds of staring at the laser directly before you start doing damage.
 
Beam power density may not exceed 2.5 mW/square cm if the device is not labeled with a "caution" warning label, otherwise a "danger" warning label is required.
 
Yeah, power output should be in power density. As you've got there.
 
@ChrisS yeah.. staring directly.. how about lasers that move around and briefly passes your eye (like in a disco)
I guess I'll just have to check the label.. I'm pretty sure there is a change in beam diameter here
 
Most of those are still in the <5mW range. I'm not sure how fast your eye "heals" from the exposure, but given that you aren't continuously exposed you'll start seeing white spots where you've got damage developing long before the damage is permanent.
 
1:50 PM
holy crap, I've had a long day and it's only 10 :(
 
@Basil that's how i felt at 10am, thank god its now nearly 3pm!
 
@Basil I thought the Yukon territory was on Pacific Time.
 
had to go smoke. either way; it'll take a g' damn miracle for RIM to recover i think. MS has a by far better chance, more money, more resources, for their mobile to take a foot hold than RIM does
 
2:07 PM
RIM need to get there back side moving to release OS10 that's for sure
 
It's hard to motivate people to get work done on a sinking ship...
 
2:27 PM
@lsiunsuex perhaps the rewrite of the OS was a mistake.
 
2:40 PM
@JustinDearing No way. There's so so so much baggage with the old Java platform (which was solid, true) and the performance just wasn't there for "next-gen apps". They had to move. They just should have started a few years earlier.
 
i don't know what possessed them to use Java in the first place, it's pathetically slow when compared to some of it's competitors
 
There are/were Java accelerator processors... So Java byte-code would run mostly natively on them. If that had taken off it might have had comparable performance with ARM processors.
 
@ColdT What would you have used for a mobile device 13 years ago?
 
back a few years ago, I could see why it would be useful such as low memory usage... but nowadays, the Java accelerators processors can't compete
@MikeyB make my own iOS lol
 
@ColdT lolz, yeah, looking back. They fucking did. That's their own Java runtime running on the phone along with everything else. And (speaking as someone who's developed for it) made a pretty nice framework.
 
2:51 PM
@MikeyB don't get me wrong, the framework is still pretty decent but comparative speed is not and that's what holds it back ultimately
mind you, never was into programming although i did do my final year dissertation in JavaSE lol
 
@ColdT Exactly, hence the need for the rewrite and move to QNX, which ultimately they did years too late.
 
yes/no: is serverfault the place for a cisco router configuration question, or is there a more appropriate place?
 
@Jeremy Yep
 
Thank you.
 
@MikeyB don't you think there are not many developers for QNX?
 

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