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00:00
I'm just thinking about running my money into blue-chips at the moment. Mining in Australia is very strong, but I might have left it too late, should have started 3-4 years ago
Friend of mine invests in blue-chips with franked dividends, every time he gets his dividends he just buys more of them. He's got a pretty healthy portfolio. But he's also 20 years closer to retirement than I am
00:16
Is there any non-dumb way to diagram out services with tons of interdependencies
My diagram is basically a spiderweb, I tried using a switch in the middle to represent something interconnected, but it's hard to express who talks to who that way
@JoelESalas have you tried using a pencil?
@wfaulk I don't think our clients would appreciate a pencil drawing from an engineer
@JoelESalas have you tried using a mechanical pencil?
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@wfaulk Wow, I just lol'd at that. Thanks.
let me know when you want me to stop being helpful, BTW
@jscott n/p
@JoelESalas unless you have circular dependencies, you should be able to shake it out pretty well. I think many graphing apps will help with that
if you do have circular dependencies, I don't think I'd show that to the customer
00:24
@84104 Zimbra network edition would run us at least $14000/year. We have over 500 staff accounts now.
Ah. What do you expect, I suppose. They're owned by VMWare
@Adrian Holy shit, even Google Apps offers free (up to 3000 users) for non-profits, over that you get 40% off google.com/apps/intl/en/nonprofit/index.html
@JoelESalas Go home. Cook up a pot of spaghetti. Take a picture of it.
Yeah, considering the discount I can get for Windows Server and Exchange, it's darn near 10x as expensive.
@MichaelHampton Our dependencies are delicious.
@Adrian You're considering Exchange? With only 500 users? Gapps would be "free".
@jscott We run Exchange with 5 users ;)
00:28
@jscott GApps only syncs with AD, right?
Unless, of course, I'm wrong in thinking you manage a non-profit org.
No, we're a 501c3. But we're a $26M non profit with a $500,000 IT budget.
@Adrian
The Zimbra pricing is useful to know (or not), we're considering buying it
00:30
And if that's not enough, you can write your own.
@jscott Ah, nice. That might work assuming we can import 290GB of email.
@MichaelHampton hahahahahahahaha
@Adrian What do you use now? There's a few, Google-developed, migration tools. We left Domino/Notes, and the migrator worked better than expected.
@Andrew Yeah, 500k sounds reasonable until you realize that includes a manager, 2 Devs, 5 app support staff, and a network admin
@Adrian Oh your budget includes salaries too? Darn.
@jscott Postfix/Cyrus IMAP and no calendaring except personal GCalendars.
00:32
@Andrew Why Zimbra?
@Adrian Does it run on True64? Because if so, I can totally relate to that hellstack.
@ewwhite cause it was free, had calendars, and was better than horde. that was 3 years ago
also, linux
Didn't someone recently buy Zimbra away from Yahoo
Is it @adrian looking for mail?
@ewwhite Actually, we were talking calendaring a few hours ago and I just looked up the pricing and about shit myself.
00:33
@ScottPack vmware, about 2 years ago
@Adrian There are ways to make the pricing more attractive.
How many people?
@Andrew At least someone better than Yahoo owns it now.
@Adrian Have a look at the Google Apps migration options. Although the IMAP proper tool is deprectated, looks like their Exchange tool might cover that: support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=57920
we have 500+ right now, we takes you out of Zimbra's web pricing anyway.
@ScottPack you've read gizmodo.com/5910223/… ?
00:35
honestly though, we're not going to have time to tackle an email migration this year anyway. I'm trying to cram a storage filer onto the books for next year.
@Adrian Do you need a new mail solution?
@Adrian Also check out Microsoft Live. Since you're a non-profit it will likely cost in the same ballpark as Google.
@ewwhite Nope, I have no problems managing Cyrus & Postfix. Calendaring is a hot mess for us tho
@Andrew I hadn't. I had forgotten about Gizmodo.
@Andrew Code is like a poem; it has to follow certain structural requirements, and yet out of that structure can come art. But code is art that does something. - that is the biggest load of shit I've ever read in my life
Code is not like a poem. Code is like a car crash and if you don't die in the process, then you've done better than others.
00:37
hah, yes
Code is nothing like art. And stating that it's 'art that does something' is not art. Art has no function. As soon as it has function, I believe it ceases to be art.
@Adrian Hosted Exchange?
@MarkHenderson So are you saying that your sex life is an art piece?
@ScottPack Buuuurrrnnnnnnnnn
Oh wait...
00:38
wait for it...
Antici
@ewwhite yeah, that's on the tables if I can get an AD solution running
@Andrew Ohh interesting. Upvoted for the picture.
kittens! and puppies!
@Andrew You can edit your posts you know. Hit the up arrow.
@MarkHenderson Why am I only now learning this.
00:40
@JoelESalas I uhh, don't know? I can also edit anyones post to make them say anything I like ;)
@Adrian As I recall from our investigation into Microsoft Live it will handle integration into a local AD environment. Plus, I have a fleeting memory they're going to start throwing in their Office/Sharepoint bits (called 360) as well.
@MarkHenderson I've been hunting down the tiny "edit" link every time ;_;
@ScottPack Nice. I know one of the guys running a piece of the 360 project. Sounds like kickass stuff.
@JoelESalas Ah but you did know you can edit
@MarkHenderson yes. not the up-arrow trick.
00:43
Then I retract my previous edit ;)
@Adrian I concur. A few years ago we pawned off our student email environment on them. Mailboxes for ~40k students cried out, and then were suddenly silenced when the migration finished. I've been hearing lots of good things about it.
@ScottPack We'll see if we can get it to run on a real browser. =D
@ScottPack Good GENOCIDE things, if your Star Wars analogy holds
@Adrian I wonder if I still have my student account. Chrome on OSX will be the ultimate test.
Well, Opera on OSX would truly be the ultimate test of real life edge case compatibility, but I'm not going to do that to my system.
@ScottPack Chrome and FF on OSX shit me. You can middle-click to open a links in new tabs, but you can't middle-click to close the tab
00:46
@ScottPack that's what VMs are for.
@MarkHenderson Yet another reason to hate OSX
@MarkHenderson cmd+w bitches.
Mind you they don't shit me nearly as much as Safari, which bitches and moans when you try to set your homepage to google. "You can search from the sidebar you know!" "Yeah, sure, but can I access the shortcuts to Reader and News from the sidebar? no? Fuck off then"
@ScottPack Yeah I know. Just so used to middle-clicking when I'm at work
Of course, we probably would get shot down on Office 365 since it's a Microsoft product. Not that MS products are bad, but if we start using ANY MS product, management believes that staff will immediately revolt and demand Windows 7 on all the workstations.
And I'm new to owning an OS X machine for myself, only had it for less than a week
00:48
@MarkHenderson You realize that you have to take your hands off the keyboard to middle click, right?
on slightly paraphrasing the response last time I brought up ditching ubuntu in favor of Windows.
@ScottPack This is an apple. One hand is almost permanantly plastered on the mouse.
@MarkHenderson Until hardware refresh happened, a few years ago, the Security Office was an entirely Mac shop. Coming from a Linux/Unix background, it was nice. Having to manage an Xserve? Fuck that.
@MarkHenderson Pussy.
@Adrian Windows 7 is not all that bad in a domain
00:50
we were forced onto it by one of our contracts
> Microsoft account passwords can contain up to 16 characters. If you've been using a password that has more than 16 characters, enter the first 16.
@Andrew Its fucking awesome in a domain
(if you know what you're doing)
@Andrew That's not the problem. The problem is the internal politics and how scared the management is of the staff reaction.
@ScottPack Huh? Really?
@ShaneMadden My question is, why did they let me use a 20 character password, but then give me that when I try to log in?
Seriously.
I'll bet they're using LMv2 hashes.
00:53
Never mind
@ScottPack Better than FireBird. Their default out of the box password is "masterkey", but they only have 8 bits of significance, so it's "masterke". Its even in the official manual.
My boss doesn't really grasp much of the Enterprise-management stuff. It's a battle to push anything through that would really improve things beyond the status quo
@MarkHenderson I see you baby, using that crypt(3), using that crypt(3).
Right, ok, so Microsoft Live in a wildly non-IE browser looks like owa.
@ScottPack better than the first piece of software I was sent to maintain. Password field was char(8), all plain text, and they did a stringreplace to remove '*' and '?' out of the input, as they were wildcards that were used in by the database engine
Which isn't that surprising, what with it being OWA.
00:56
So you could log in with the password '*' and it would just let you in
Is there anything like the Performance view in vCenter for VirtualBox
@MarkHenderson I may or may not know of a major enterprise SIS system that, when set to auth against LDAP, would let you log in to any account with the password ' '.
@ScottPack Weren't those even shorter?
@ScottPack This doesn't surprise me the least. SIS == CrapWare
@ScottPack Job Security for you!
00:58
@ShaneMadden Yeah, it was two 7 character strings. I figure LanMan version 2 would have upgraded to 8.
@ScottPack Hah. One byte per version sounds perfectly reasonable to me!
Funny Fact: Attempting to authenticate against LDAP with a username and NULL password results in the server saying, "Hey, I see you're using a NULL password. You must really be trying to do an anonymous bind. Sure, no problem. You've bound as Anonymous!" This is less than ideal when authentication subsystems don't properly check return values.
@ScottPack Allowing anonymous bind in the first place gets me annoyed. Pretty weak that it's enabled by default on every LDAP server.
@ShaneMadden Don't think AD allow anon bind by default. At least not that I can remember.
01:06
oh dear. mouse over the "ask question" button on gaming.stackexchange.com
@jscott Yeah, you're right - not as of 2003 and later, I've just dealt with it on those versions since those domains were created before.
LOL NT
Still don't think they've killed anon SID/name translation though..
Welp, Windows iTunes update just showed up. Does that mean iOS6 is coming soon[ish]?
@jscott It means the hegemony of Apple over your freedoms continues unabated
01:12
@JoelESalas Of course, I'm taking the blue pill. Sysadmin enough shit at work, don't want to have to do the same with my phone.
RMS, no.
www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3
Why do closed questions still show up in /review?
@jscott I think RMS is important, we need risk-takers to move society in any new direction
@JoelESalas enjoy the ride bro!
@jscott Join rms in Hacklandia
01:37
some would argue that the existence of extreme views makes less-extreme views more likely to be listened to
@Andrew Cool weasel words bro
haha
02:04
Nobody is buying the iPhone 4 because we're all waiting for the iPhone 5. Sounds about right.
@MarkHenderson Rofl, chromium refused to download the CSS for that because it's delivered insecurely
web browsin like it's 1999
@JoelESalas Ah, that would be my HTTPS Everywhere plugin
Forget it's there most of the time
What's a "disputed" flag mean?
Not 100% sure. I think there's some tools where 10 or 20k users can see flags and agree/disagree with them
Sometimes when I'm going through the mod queue I see "$x disagrees", with the name of a high rep user on it
@ScottPack Flagged, then flagged "nope" by a 10K
02:10
Yeah, the flags we can see we can put an "invalid" flag against if we disagree with it.
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Q: What is a disputed flag?

BrandonIn my flagging summary under the statistics, there is 1 flag listed as being disputed with the footnote † do not affect your flag weight This is the first time I've ever seen a disputed flag in my summary, so I'm just curious, what is a disputed flag? How would you even dispute a flag? Is ...

meta.SO? Ew.
@ScottPack I only use it via google "site:meta.stackoverflow.com disputed"
@jscott Thats pretty much how I search all the SE sites :p
@MarkHenderson Is there any other way?
02:13
My most common is site:serverfault.com can you help licensing (to find the canonical licensing "fuck off" question)
I do use the built-in search when I want to use some of the content-aware searches.
It's clear that search is hard [let's go shopping!] but why not just googlify the local search tool?
@MarkHenderson You can "favorite" questions as "bookmarks".
@jscott That's a pretty reasonable way to keep track of your SE userscripts too.
Can someone explain why I'm supposed to hate gingers
@JoelESalas Because you spend to much time on 4chons
02:18
@JoelESalas 1) They have no souls. 2) It's fun to arbitrarily pick a genetic group and hate them.
I also now remember mistakenly running something like rm .* in /etc with root a couple weeks ago. It worked fine then so I ignored it. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Did I really screw up?
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Q: Linux server started to behave in an unusual way

Axel LatvalaI have a linux server (Debian squeeze) set up. It's primary focus is to run LAMP. I also use it for stuff like mumble (voice chat) and minecraft servers. In the beginning everything was running fine. Then things started to happen. Stuff like java failing to run without headerless mode, and compl...

/me sighs
scope: not professional,migrate to superuser
Is there ANY other way. This system is NEEDED in 6hours
except for the "company data" bit
02:25
@Andrew plz, don't migrate shite.
Close code: Your're fucked
@jscott If only...
they should be fired for "stuff like mumble & minecraft" on a work machine(!)
unless it's a gaming company of course
@Andrew yeah, but they will be fired for losing all those client sites.
Well played Tom
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A: What's the best file system to use for a new /home partition

Oleksandr BolotovReiserfs works well everywhere. I use it even for /boot (with flags)

@jscott Sounds like losing customer data and firing him would be a good idea. Better than losing customer data and not firing him.
Plus he did say he has backups of the database, just not the os
Until it kills your wife. — Tom O'Connor Feb 13 at 13:26
02:30
@MarkHenderson I was struggling with that. His comment is much less effective without the context, but requiring a clickthrough is the devil.
@MarkHenderson Sure, and I bet the sites aren't under /etc, but I'll put a fiver on OP not having backups of /etc. :)
I have etckeeper set up but it's not replicated (yet)
actually, rm /etc/* wouldn't kill the dvcs
@ScottPack Hans was on one of those "Murder Mystery 48 Hours" shows here in the states. I watched with my GF. She actually asked me if that was how my work/life was.
@jscott Oh, sounds pretty much guaranteed. But I would consider having this roll over to 6+ hours, still being offline, and then firing the guy a good outcome. Just get the backups off him first. Might be a day or two of downtime, but thats better than letting this guy totally fuck you business
someone needs to re-run this on a recent kernel, throw btrfs into the mix: web.archive.org/web/20040407211142/aurora.zemris.fer.hr/…
02:33
I might not be fired for losing customer data, or for running mincraft + mumble on a production machine hosting customer data, but I would probably be fired for losing customer data because of running minecraft/mumble
@MarkHenderson Oh yeah, he's fucked.
Hm. Just saw that Mountain Lion is supposedly being officially released tomorrow.
no-one answered "prepare your resignation letter" yet?
That means I'm going to have to upgrade past 10.6 doesn't it?
lolz:
history | grep rm? — Shane Madden 1 min ago
@Andrew Summer of Love bro...
02:37
When the machine is back up it would be a very good idea to reconsider hosting business services alongside personal ones (MC & mumble). If you ran the rm command the other week then isn't it likely the site has had issues since then... ? Also this seems like more than just apache has been affected due to your mumble issue above. Sounds like the rm was run in the /etc and not /etc/httpd so who knows what else might be broken... Backups or new build time! — foocode 5 mins ago
@ScottPack BLINDLY UPDATING TO LATEST OSX, BRB. Just kidding, I will, but it's the old lady's computer so she can deal with it.
@jscott more like buying new Apple Product because new software...
@Andrew YES! I want the new MBPr plz. How to justify the expense?
@jscott do your execs hate the environment? that should be enough
@jscott I installed OSX for the first time in a long time about a month ago, so I asked my local Apple guy if I should do 10.6 or 10.7. His response, "Install 10.6. They didn't really add anything useful in 10.7 and it has enough bugs to show that it's not ready for prime time yet."
02:41
@jscott I bought one... but haven't switched to it yet.
@ScottPack Yep, "Mac guy" at work doesn't care for 10.7, but I threw it on her new MBP because DEAL WITH IT.
coming from a 17" MacBook, and the 15" retina seems mighty fragile.
@ewwhite So it's just sitting there, in the box.... UNLOVED?
@jscott Opened it... thought I'd get switched over... then left town for 6 days.
@ewwhite Do you use Dropbox or similar?
02:42
I'm back now, but I'd like a nice shell/skin for it.
@JoelESalas Naw... I use my laptop as mobile... and have ZFS replication at home
(and a few colos.)
@ScottPack surely not an Apple employee! joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1707.html
@ewwhite I heard that the retina display on the MBP wasn't quite the religious experience one would have expected.
@ScottPack It removes the notion of resolution. The display is fine... but my computers need to be workhorses... When I'm working onsite, things get dusty, banged around, etc. The new model feels flimsy.
I'm actually looking for a skin/case for it.
@Andrew No, just a very long time Apple user and Certified Repair Whatever before moving to security.
@ScottPack I ran the retina model for a day... I ended up using the same resolution I have native on my 17" MBP
02:52
I thought Summer of Love meant we needed to be helpful and not snide with users. I hope all you people feel shame for snickering about the idiot who wiped out his /etc/. Tsk.
@ewwhite On the plus side, at least you're carrying around a 30lbs 1U system as a laptop.
Seeing the smiley face beside the frowny face is a little misleading.
@ScottPack I'm not seeing any rudeness to him on the site itself
Would I be a tool for using a shell with it?
@MarkHenderson I'm seeing some snark, but nothing unexpected. I was mostly being a dick.
@ewwhite Conch?
02:59
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Q: Linux Raid5 faulty array

user1370584Facts first: mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd]3 |egrep 'dev|Update|Role|State|Chunk Size' /dev/sda3: Update Time : Thu Jul 19 22:42:40 2012 State : active Chunk Size : 64K Number Major Minor RaidDevice State this 0 8 3 0 active sync /dev...

Comment with two upvotes saying it should migrate to SU.
4 of 5 users vote to migrate here.
Well, SO aren't terribly good judges of site scope outside of "not coding"
/facepalm
I pretty much do remember the command i ran. It was (in /etc). rm *.* /backups/Axel Latvala 41 secs ago
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If he saw @ShaneMadden's comment he wouldn't need to guess
@MarkHenderson Reading is overrated
@MarkHenderson History won't tell him where, though, only what.
03:06
@ScottPack Yeah just realised that. Edited my comment
I suppose you could cobble his working directory back together by digging through the history. It sucks, though.
I've had to do that before. I don't recommend it.
@ScottPack Yeah, that's what I figured.
The sudo logs will tell you. Because, let's face it, there's no way he was stupid enough to be running as root. Right?
@ScottPack /sarcasam
Ok here they are: rm .* /backup/eResk/ and rm .* /backup/eResk/ Both were ran from /etc — Axel Latvala 35 secs ago
03:09
@ShaneMadden Doesn't matter where you run em from if you start it with a /
@MarkHenderson That actually doesn't look all that bad. I wouldn't expect many, if any, dot-files sitting in /etc
@ScottPack Yeah, but if he's doing that, what else has he been up to?
Of course, by default .bash_history only gets written on logout, so if he had multiple sessions open there will be data loss.
@ShaneMadden Dogs and cats I'm sure.
@jscott Looking at the review stats. Do you do things like eat, sleep, or work?
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Q: Please recommend best-practices documents for sharing encrypted data with non-technical end-users

Dr. Edward MorbiusIs there one, or several, "best practices" documents which cover in clear simple language how to share data among a non-technical support staff and non-technical end-users at various organizations? Our situation: we have some technical staff well versed in crypto, PKI, key use, and key manageme...

@Andrew Saw that one. i want to write an answer that basically says "don't"
If you need to share sensitive data, the users receiving it must be trained in how to keep it secure
03:20
0
Q: How to redirect ls to the cd command

VaskaI want to do ls | grep sometheng and cd to the one thing that is ls-ed. Tryed with | and searched, but nothing found. Is it using xargs?

...huh?
@MarkHenderson that and "ask a lawyer how much it will hurt if you stuff it up"
@MarkHenderson Trained end-users are different from technical end-users.
@ScottPack Well, for example, we don't expect our users to know what PKI is, but we do expect them to check the certificate hash when they log on to a server we manage for the government
I don't expect them to know why they must report certificate errors, only that they must
@MarkHenderson We struggled with that guy's problem for a very long time, until we got approval to buy, and start selling, the commercial PGP. We still have to train users, but we don't have to expect them to be able to pass 4th year CS courses to do it anymore.
@MarkHenderson and how often do they just ignore certificate errors in their browsers?
03:25
I'm finding lots of references to webmin in these older posts.
@Andrew Every time
But if they ignore a cert error for this particular server, well, then its on their head
Not that we'd ever know that they ignored it
Not if it was a MITM attack
@ChrisS I have a friend who as a sys admin, received a batch of cards from a single vendor and the cards only had one MAC address in the entire palette. The vendor said that the cards did not get mixed in to the retail distribution correctly so that there were duplicates, since the order was a direct drop from the factory. Before the cards went to retail distribution, they were supposed to get mixed together to spread the dupes around. So for a given vendor, MAC addressees aren't unique, much less across vendors. — Jarrod Roberson 12 hours ago
The moment I hear a story start with "I have a friend..." my BS meter goes off the chart
This guy may very well be relating a story his friend told him, but it loses all credibility because his friend was probably using hyperbole or trying to cover his ass for his mistake or something
Also, much less across vendors is a load of shit as well, as each vendor has their own prefix and if you used someone elses prefix I'm pretty sure they would send someone over to your house to kick the shit out of your dog
I do remember setting up computer labs with my dad back in the late-90s. We started getting about a 10% chance of duplicate MAC that summer.
@ScottPack Really?
@MarkHenderson Yeah, it was really annoying since we were using Ghost for provisioning.
Do you have any idea why?
Laziness? Defective?
I've never done any work with setting up massive networks, but I've certainly done 200+ computer networks and the thought of a duplicate mac never even entered my mind
03:36
Expected manufacturing defect. The company (I think Gateway but that could easily be wrong) said that it was not an uncommon for whatever system set the MAC to, for whatever reason, to not increment the MAC when moving to the next unit.
Summer of Love, baby!
@ScottPack Interesting...
@Andrew ITS NOT FUCKING SUMMER. That campaign is giving me the shits
Apple are just as bad
@MarkHenderson we need a "Winter of Discontent" counter-campaign :P
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Q: Apple is releasing IOS5 in "Fall". When exactly is that?

Mark HendersonI've just been reading up about IOS5. All looks very exciting. However, I can't figure out when Apple are going to release it. It says "Coming this fall", but to me, that means absolutally nothing. When is "Fall"? What is "Fall"? Can someone please translate that into a Gregorian Calendar date ...

They told us that normally it was no big deal because, as that dude said, the systems got spread out and any duplicates were unlikely to show up on the same segment. We were, however, buying large swathes of machines that came from the same batch.
03:38
The whole world does not exist in North America cunts
@MarkHenderson Depends on the cunt.
In all fairness you could blame Europe, too..
btw calling it "fall" totally fucks up the fact that all the other seasons have 6 letters. autumn fits perfectly, but nooooooooooo you have to go fuck it up
And as a result you can't have any of those blocks that have a different letter for each season on one side and you just rotate each block every 3 months to spell the next season
I think you need a drink, @Mark. Take an early lunch, find a nice black lager.
@ScottPack Already had lunch; I just get worked up over some pet hates of mine
"Fall" is one, doing worldwide releases based on intangible periods (like seasons) is another, and naming releases with names instead of numbers is a third
Apple do all three, so fuck you Apple. Mind you it seems everyone does the name-instead-of-number thing. And Microsoft can't make their mind up.
95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8
03:44
@MarkHenderson I can't wait for Apple to release Randy Cheshire.
@ScottPack Is that a real release name? Please tell me no.
But it wouldn't surprise me
@MarkHenderson Not yet. Although the current Fedora is called "Beefy Miracle".
o_0
And on that note, it's time to go to bed. Night all.
Have a lovely summer evening.
@ScottPack You mean cold winters day
But ok
04:06
@MarkHenderson Fucking macfags
04:57
Fuck you Adobe. Keeps resetting my default printer to the PDF Distiller. Which means when I print a PDF I prints it into another PDF
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05:11
@MarkHenderson <insert meme pic of xzibit>
05:53
Where can I backup my backup server configs?
@Andrew sock drawer
Sock drawer's an awful place to backup that kind of sensitive data, Joel. Back it up to my NAS server at home instead. RAID6 for redundant storage, Truecrypt volume encryption to keep his data secure, multiple redundant internet connections (that I borrow from my neighbors), really everything you could want to keep such important data safe, accessible and protected. I also recommend using it to backup passwords and financial data, should he have any of those he might want secured. :D
06:13
I'd just use two RAIDed phones.
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@mgorven Our desk phones have about 32kb of NAND storage...
@MarkHenderson Desk photos? As in digital picture frames?
@mgorven My bad, phone
But I guess RAIDed photo frames would be cool too
Hahaha
06:53
G'day
@Iain nice gravatar :)
one minor problem: it's winter
@Andrew it may as well be here the way our Summer has been so far
although the last few days have improved somewhat
50% of the globe has 100% of the summer :P
07:32
örning :)
07:50
Morning
Morning
muuurning
Got my new toy today :D
Funtimes
just in time for the new OSX :)
And also this:
08:06
@MarkHenderson wow, you got shat on for that, didn't you?
@BartDeVos A roomba? seriously?
Yeah, got it for 100 EUR
not a bad deal I think :)
What's the capacity of the Zalman drives? I'm tempted to get one as a birthday present to myself :P
There is no drive in it. I put a WD (500 GB) in it
runs nicely
tempted to try it with an SSD now :)
SSD on USB 2.0.. isnt that rather pointless?
@pauska Has eSata ;)
08:19
or not pointless, but a huge waste
ah.
Dan
Dan
Morning y'all
Dan
Dan
09:04
Went for a run at 6am - not really sure it's comething I'll be incorporating into my routine. Everyone tells me how good it feels to go for a run before work. Nope, I feel exactly how I'd expect to feel after getting up at 5:50am and going for a run!
09:36
@Dan My personal experience is that a good batch of exercise on the weekend or a half-hour session after work twice a week has all of the up-sides and none of the down-sides of a 6am run.
Dan
Dan
@Ladadadada I much prefer evening / weekend running, but I'm having real issues fitting it in. 5km runs aren't too bad, but it's still a good 45+ mins out of your day (From getting off my arse, to being showered changed and ready to carry on whatever). Likewise, 10km runs are well over an hour once you take into account warmup/cooldown and shower etc
NASTY - imgur.com/a/mbsr5 NSFW, contains gore
10:04
very interesting
Reading that, I really don't want to look at the picture.
I wonder how much damage there was to the engine
I wonder why an experienced mechanic would decide to stand up next into the suction of a giant meatgrinder, must be suicide no?
10:24
@LucasKauffman full rebuild as a minimum, did you see the fan blades - even if a bird goes through one it's a full rebuild
i thought jet engines only have 3 moving parts and are safe from attacks from like that ? :)
Eh? they NEED very few moving parts but actually have quite a few, besides one of the moving parts is HUGE and has foot-long razor-sharp fan blades at the front
@LucasKauffman Not likely suicide, just absent mindedness. That'll kill even the most experienced techie.
that'd kill a bear
thank god the engine didn't flame out
10:36
Wouldn't have done him much good, would that
toasty
more like crispy
Dan
Dan
10:54
@LucasKauffman Same reason as many other industrial accidents - complacency and a feeling of security in familiar surroundings
@LucasKauffman Forgive my ignorance, why would that have been a major issue?
@Chopper3 Indeed - the tolerances in jet engines are minuscule considering what kind of things they withstand. Balancing the blades etc
If the engine flames out it can start burning on the outside, especially with the covers removed. Now if he hit something in there that perforated a fuel tube the whole thing can start spraying burning fuel everywhere. If this happens in the air, it's often ok because the plane is still moving, but stationary it will have more heat and flames on the same spot
@ScottPack No, I click. Just clicking. Always.
Dan
Dan
@LucasKauffman I don't understand? A flameout is when the fuel stops burning, so there is no combustion?
@Dan yes, the flame in the combustion chamber dies, but there is no guarantee you don't have anything else sparking. So now air and fuel is being pumped through the combustion chamber without being ignited, so you get a mist of fuel. Now if there is a source of ignition outside the engine or behind the combustion chamber (caused by the damage of the guy going in) you might get the same result as spraying a can of hairspray into a lighter
just on a slightly bigger scale :p
anyone remember, a couple years ago there was a bunch of news about software on the server side that can live convert flash to html5 to deal with iOS devices? remember what it was called / search for? f'ing cant find it
Dan
Dan
11:08
@LucasKauffman I can see the possibility but I'm not really sure if the chances. The guy shouldn't have caused the engine any major problems as they're very much designed to contain damage
@Dan I've know it happening once, there were pictures of the whole runway covered in burning fuel when it rode along
and true they are built to contain damage, but also in the article it said that they removed panels to be able to reach the engine
@Luca
goddamnit i suck at this chat
@LucasKauffman, still in Spain?
:p
yes
till 3rd of august
start working on the 13th
I haven't been keeping up much with the international news, have the fires been put out?
Dan
Dan
@LucasKauffman Fair enough, not something I've come across. Not that jet engines take up a huge amount of my time!
11:13
@lsiunsuex Swiffy maybe?
Dan
Dan
@LucasKauffman True, though they're only access panels. I'd imagine most of the strength is well inside
@KennyRasschaert on our side yes, but there are stil lsmall ones on the other side of the mountains, they're hoping there wont come any wind so they can safely put those out
there's some really nice Kamov helicopters here
plus we can jump today :D
Awesome. Break a leg!
11:19
@JourneymanGeek like that, but for flv and on the server side - ie: automated
fuck it, going back to my initial idea; cron job that watches mysql database for new videos, execute shell script to convert flv to mp4 on the fly
@jscott Too bad we can't flag directly from the /review page. I think that's where most of my reviewing time actually goes.
11:35
@Chopper3 scary. next to nothing left.

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