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02:20
I still live. My Internet connection arrives Tuesday. Carry on.
 
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07:32
Good mornin!
@Mark: good to hear
08:21
G'day
09:07
hi
09:21
Morning
Great week ahead; 3DS, iPad 2 and Crysis 2 :)
Any joy with the new PC?
not had time to think and have a reasonably busy week ahead too, we'll see
09:51
morning folks
Ahoy
Good morning
does anyone know if Cisco sell actual fibres? I have a credit note from them and don't need anything just yet but do need some specific fibres
don't know cisco product line, sorry!
10:07
don't worry, our cisco sales people are in a meeting until 11am, otherwise I'd have asked them
I was under the impression that they only sell patch cords
that's all I need as it happens, a few hunded 2m-5m LC-LC OM3's
O M G
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/10545/macbook-air-passing-me-electricity
...
Yeah, its perfectly normal that a laptop electricutes you, and its good for your health. Dont even consider asking Apple support about this.
yeah i had to go ahead and reply in that vein
10:15
great minds
it rather suggests the electric supply is earthing via the case
something like that
as I say in my response I had this on at least one previous mac but not with any recent ones
it suggests that the earth to the case is missing
what sort of lunatic things getting electric shocks from kit ISN'T a problem?
that one
10:16
having been on the end of rich chunky volts a few times in my career, I'm anxious to neither repeat or share the experience
ditto
10:40
I think this is a genuinely interesting question; serverfault.com/questions/249754/…
slightly odd/mental but interesting.
bit of a mentalist question but compared to people who don't know if its ok or not that your computer gives you electric shocks or that lunatic who wanted to put his servers in a fridge....
It took me a couple of reads to understand that one
11:30
The problem with electric shock is that after enough of them you tend not to notice anymore.
11:45
thats not a good thing!
11:58
wow it's a lovely day down here, working in shorts/sandals for the first day this year, birdies tweeting, sea's calm, what a great day
Almost unreal that the first day of spring should be so spring-like. They're usually pretty grim.
its nice out, wish i was at home with my feet up. Or out on a nice long walk
today's my last day of working from home for a while though, at least it's a nice one, saw a kingfisher before, bloody gardener scared it away
Whereabouts in Dorset are you?
Friar's Cliff, Christchurch
12:13
Not been to Christchurch myself, but my Wife's from Poole, so I've been around the area a bit. It's a nice bit of country there.
@Chopper3 Lucky you. While today is supposed to be about (72|22), the thunderstorms are out in force.
@SmallClanger it's a quiet little place, full of the nearly dead and a very good school (which is why we're here), only 1h50m by train from waterloo too
Heh, I think it was Lee Evans who said: "Bournemouth: The only place in Britain with Bifocal shop windows."
Can there be code added to SF that searches for the keywords "disk, space, deleted, still, no," and "rm" and have a window pop up with "use lsof and close open file handles" then reach out and smack the questioner while replacing their home page with Let Me Google That For You?
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12:26
i'll let you go over to stack overflow meta and ask for that one ;-)
Anyone see the much better version of Friday!...
Found it on Boing Boing :-)
do i dare click
@RobertMoir: Give in to the dark side...
Doooo iiiitttt
I think it's...actually...tolerable!
Actually... is this Jacob?
12:41
@RobertMoir The one in the middle? Could be.
:-) that will please him later
woohoo - massive systemwide design change just imposed on me, saw it coming but don't mind
Yay for massive change!
yeah, an inevitable discussion on a golf course turns everything around on a >£100m project - ha, funny old world, oh well, it'll keep me busy for another 6 months
You guys are starting to creep me out.
12:48
how do you figure?
AT&T buying T-Mo, thats interesting
that's been coming since about september
@DanBig: or scary + hurts competition
I'm not a fan of AT&T myself, but I've had them for a bit under 3 years now. In my current job, my cell voice minutes are somewhere around 60/month, i have the second lowest txt plan, and my bill is still $101/mo
I tried to get them to lower it based on my crazy low usage, and they didn't care.
@RobertMoir Seems like every morning I come in here you've got Rebecca Black all over the place.
12:59
Who me?
@RobertMoir I don't know, it's too early to be taxing my memory making specific accusations.
T-mobile's service...will it get worse, or better?
Will this be another HP/Compaq merger? :-o
is tmob's service good or bad in the states?
Well...AT&T bought them. That should tell you something.
i've seen ailing companies get purchased to save their customer base. I've seen bad but larger companies purchase good, smaller companies in order to improve their own tech or service levels
13:05
Well...um...have you seen also-ran companies get bought by crappy companies to become a massive but mediocre company?
fair point. The old "Trying to make an eagle by stapling two turkeys together"
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that never ends well
Not really, no.
@RobertMoir Of the 4 national companies, T-Mobile constantly has been tied for highest customer satisfaction and customer service ratings.. Not the highest coverage, Verizon has that locked up.
that sounds like the two turkeys theory to me then for sure
I love troubleshooting charsets on linux :|
13:15
@BartSilverstrim I'd guess that AT&T will swallow them whole and the last remnants of the old republic, er T-Mobile, will be swept away...
ended up compiling the entire i18n collection to get things working
@DanBig Is this the general pricing for usa? insanely expensive..
I'm at around $50 per month, and that includes 500MB data
but then again, norway :)
@pauska Does that $50 include tax?
@ChrisS: yes
plus we have free calling between employees
There are regional carriers that you can get unlimited everything (large exclusions to "unlimited") for $50/mo...
well, this is country-wide
13:18
But from the national 4 (now 3) $69/mo + ~20% tax is as cheap as "unlimited" gets.
so about the same size as a state in USA
:P
@pauska, i'm grandfathered in to the unlimited data, but let me look at my plan real quick
I'm a bit surprised Nextel didn't buy T-Mobile... A deal like that has been rumored for several months now.
There's something about Sprint not being happy.
@pauska, $30 for data, $40 for the lowest voice plan possible, $15 for txt, plus taxes and other BS = $101/mo. I use about 60 voice min a month.
13:29
@DanBig $35 for 400 minutes, $5 for 300 Txt, $0 for unlimited date (tried to switch to a competitor and they offered this) + Tax, Title, License, Fees, Cost Recovery, New Construction Permits, and Applicable Tariffs = $56/mo
i have 600minutes/txts + unlimited and an iphone for £36
Anyone know off hand what the 1 year subscription is for the vSphere essentials pack? Is that support?
@ChrisS, i just re-upped in october i think, it was for the new iphone, i dont know how much pull i have this early in the contract
although, i think its $175 for the ETF, which would pay for itself in ~4 months if i could get onto a vzw plan with my gf, and just get another iP4
I have a feeling this merger will annoy me, been with tmobile for 10 years
@KyleBrandt I was initally pretty pissed about the Nextel Sprint merge, but they ironed it out after several years and I'm fairly happy now.
13:35
@KyleBrandt: "*NOTE – The vSphere Essentials kit is the only offering that contains the option of per incident support and requirement of subscription for one year. All other kits and editions listed below have support and subscription requirements (SnS) for one year."
I do hate that I've told them repeatedly not to call me and they still call every month or so to remind me that I don't have a contract and am eligible for a new phone (with a 2 year contract)... It's got to the point where I harass the people who call, making demands I know they can't provide...
@KyleBrandt: I hope you're aware that the essentials kit doesnt have vmotion
@pauska: Yup I don't care about that
AFAIK subscription is product updates
I'm on some VIP list at Orange after they allowed some scrote in Tower Hamlets to order two new handsets on my account without either knowing or resetting my password.
13:37
@pauska: But is the subscription a subscription for use or for support?
and you'll have to pay for each support incident
@KyleBrandt I didnt care about vmotion when I first bought vmware licenses.. suddenly I had ~30 virtual machines, and had to manually shut down each and every one of them every time I needed to patch ESX
Normally their service is pretty bad, but I get some nice treatment and cheap deals, whenever I call them. It seems it's the same list they put all their celebrities on, to ensure that famous people don't publicly badmouth them.
@pauska: So the subscription is a support subscription? And then after 1 year you have to pay per incident?
You're a celebrity?
No. Unless I'm in the The Truman Show...
13:47
Depends. The surest way for a sysadmin to test if he's in a fake reality is to measure the uptime of his Windows systems.
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13:59
@Zypher Oh, units were in seconds, so it's only a week.
@packs s/Clearly not windows/PATCH YOUR DAMN SERVER IDIOT/g
gah!
14:13
@KyleBrandt it's support, then you can do per incedent the other tiers make you pay for another year of support @pauska we don't have centralized storage so ...
@KyleBrandt Im a bit unsure to be honest.. maybe you should call vmware
@Zypher Not even a shared disk shelf? :o
@pauska nope
15:02
that gif is making me dizzy :-/
new rule ... if an animated gif stays on page for more than 30 seconds you will be silenced in chat for the duration of the gif being visible ;)
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unless I find it amuzing :) then maybe not
@KyleBrandt Kyle that subscription is for support and code updates
:-P
I'm just glad I have the video horsepower to render it without slowing the rest of my system down too much
@Zypher: even if the gif is fun fun fun fun?
15:11
and what if said gif reminds you that you need to get cereal
@RobertMoir Things we need: Cereal where the pieces are shaped like serial ports & serial port accessories (gender bender, 25::9, Serial Analyzer (with little marshmallows for the lights!))
If you implement the silencing rule for gifs on screen, can you also change our displayed gravatar to a mime?
LOL
@Chopper3 It took a couple times till I could read what that said
That's almost as funny as someone telling me they were going to put Windows on a freakin' cell phone!
15:22
But Windows Mobile 7 is aces, except it's several years late and missing some very basic features, but seriously it's great
not that I've just done a big deal with MS today of course or anything...
@Chopper3 MS should seriously consider shoving Windows Phone 7 the way of the Zune...
Comes a point where you just have to cut your losses and admit defeat
agree from a commercial perspective, but it's a good UI
Actually I think they're going to integrate their Zune ecosystem into Windows 7 phone.
or whatever they're calling it.
Microsoft is like the guy that comes back to the college during alumni weekend and acts like he's back in college...it's just sad to see.
I just picked up a Verizon iPhone. So far I only complained about the voice recognition for making phone calls over bluetooth, but otherwise I've liked it.
Was the kin running Windows 7 mobile?
@BartSilverstrim No
mmm marshmellow lights
15:32
@BartSilverstrim It ran some stripped version.
@chriss - they can't admit defeat on mobile because mobile is going to be the big battlefront i think
@RobertMoir I suppose so, but it's just denial at this point.... Everyone else knows it.
When I bought the iPhone from the girl at the verizon store who also owned an iPhone she had one of those retractable badge things branded Kin...funny to me at the time.
maybe - they have enough money to throw at it though.
There's something scary about a future where our computing platforms are going to be easily dropped in the toilet by careless teens.
15:34
And I hope they succeed. The more viable alternatives for smartphone platforms there are, the harder each one will have to work to keep their edge and the better we'll all be for it
@BartSilverstrim Yeah, all the Zune "technology" is getting rolled into WP7, which means they're just dumping it... Zune never had any particular technological advantage; it shared all it's media codecs and technology with Windows Media Player...
Anyone here in the States; what do you think about AT&T buying Tmobile?
Wait...aren't you in school now?
@ChrisS Yeah, I bought a ZuneHD... Bad move
And while The Windows Media Codecs might have been a good idea at the time, they're inferior to current media standards like h.264 and AAC.
15:35
@BartSilverstrim I should be... but I'm home sick...
@Jacob We all dislike/fear it... see earlier conversation
@ChrisS Ok... Archive time!
Apple has a lead because they created a whole ecosystem. Too many companies are focusing on the gadgets. That's their mistake.
@RobertMoir @RobertMoir @packs Thats just weird...
Apple's hardware is like a ticket to get access to the content. It's good hardware, but without the app store and music store and interoperability it would be nothing worth crowing about as much as it is now.
15:38
@BartSilverstrim Right, their advantage was, and still is, the end to end hand-holding. MS eventually picked up on that, but too little too late.
Now this virtual product juggernaut gets rolled into their MP3 players, phones, eventually we'll probably see some interesting things from apple TV once they get more with streaming content.
They're going to be the next evolution in Amazon.com...they're probably in the best position to unthrone Apple if they got their heads out of their arses.
@BartSilverstrim Apple, Google, Hulu, and Netflix... Someone is going to buy/merge with someone else... it would make too much sense to ignore the possibilities.
Probably at some point. But content is king. Access to it is next.
@Chopper3 I really like the rug that pussy is lounging in. Looks soft enough to rub my face on.
Apple has the hardware, aesthetics, and content.
15:41
I think Hulu are trolling hard to be purchased by someone
@BartSilverstrim Tell that to Netflix, they've made millions off delivery alone.
Amazon has content, but not the hardware...unless they have an evolution in the Kindle.
@ChrisS: they also partnered with Apple :-)
@RobertMoir Nulu/Netflix would make the most sense I think... Hulu has so much content Netflix viewers would want...
@BartSilverstrim Netflix has partnered with everyone... They want their App/Service available everywhere.
does one of those have a player though? I can see a lot of vertical integration - tie content down to a certain player
@RobertMoir Netflix has bent over backwards to make use of everyone else's players... Hulu's got nothing (worth mentioning). Google and Apple have the players, but lack content. Google in particular is also in a good position to start last-mile delivery too, FTTP anyone?
15:44
then i can't see netflix merging with a player provider
hulu however...
maybe
Apple has content...
Since you can play netflix along with the itunes store.
google have content. If you can call youtube that.
I guess, but Apple TV has youtube too built in.
@ChrisS Verizon has the network,not the content
Apple and Google have some content yes... But not like Hulu and Netflix.
15:46
Verizon really only has the network. They suck as a brand company.
They tried cheap knock offs of crap with their early smartphones.
IT was @#% annoying.
@BartSilverstrim I was talking about FiOS FTTP :)
at the end of the day the question is which one of those things is the strategic pressure point, the player or the content? I think content, but the player has an opening too, being the gateway
@Jacob The incumbent ISPs haven't put much investment into their networks, I think they're going to get killed by dynamic content like Netlifx/Hulu/whoever in the next few years if they don't pull their heads out of their rears and starting focusing on their core competencies.
Content is king. Once you have that, though, you need good access to the content.
@ChrisS I assumed Verizons network is decent? I don't have any issues
15:48
@Jacob FiOS is a good step, but it's only available in very limited areas, and I don't think their backbones could stand a large portion of the nation riding on them.
Little slow at times but good coverage and works well for me.
Unless you're talking about FIOS which I don't have so I can't speak to it.
@ChrisS Thats why there starting caps... EX AT&T DSL
Caps will only buy a little time for the network before customers get pissed off about them and demand change.
If you were constantly getting hit with overages every other month, how long would you stick with it before you found a competitor that didn't pull that?
And if there are no competitors that don't pull that crap then the people will complain to congress.
And nothing moves congress like a zillion people without access to the entertainment they demand!
@ChrisS Nothing moves congress like MONEY.
@voretaq7 See changes to copyright terms whenever Micky Mouse is about to go public
15:56
@voretaq7 Eh; I'd put money second behind lots of angry people... for the most part. But good point nonetheless
@ChrisS It depends on whether those angry people are from your district, and how secure the incumbency is.
Peter King could probably smear feces on the bill of rights and the folks around here would keep sending him back to the House. depressed sigh
16:12
HA! Nice quote. King later became a Bush supporter: "Look, we have not been attacked in seven years and it's not because of luck."
I've never been eaten by a tiger since putting on this underwear...I'll never change them and I'll always be safe!
yay !
You can't have my underwear, dude.
of course not, that would make you unsafe to tiger attacks
@BartSilverstrim Dude WTF? Tigers don't even live in PA.... expect on monday....
16:40
frickin' VMware. I'm about to punch this thing in the face. ugh
anyone else ever have problems with ESXi not committing snapshots correctly?
@ErikA nopers, but we're still running 4.0u1
I have a VM that I removed a snapshot on last week. The snap was from last summer, and the owners of that VM didn't need the snap any more. ESXi reported that the snap delete completed successfully, but upon reboot, the system was as if it was when that snap was created.
both the original vmdk and the snap file are still present on the datastore, so it's as if the two files didn't get merged correctly
hmmmmm, funky
yup
@ErikA Layer 8 problem I reckon
16:58
@Chopper3 heh, had to look that one up. User or political issue?
user
17:13
@Chopper3 how would this be a user error? I was the one that removed the snapshot, and have verified that the system indeed is as it was pre-snap, with none of the changes that have happened since then.
I'm only kidding, just joking that you did something wrong
@ErikA: Is the vmx file pointing at the correct disk files?
(this is my go-to answer, after encountering that bug in deploying new VMs)
heh, okay. Yah, for a sec I thought I might have done a "Revert to:" instead of "Delete" on that snap.
kinda thought the same
But went back in the task log for that VM and verified that it was indeed just a remove.
So VMware is sending me instructions on how to merge the two disks, but the problem is that since that machine has booted on the "old" vmdk, writes have now happened in both places and as such, I'm guessing that the fsck is going to have a jolly good time when it boots.
18:16
I can't believe what a shit/misguided set of answers this is; serverfault.com/questions/249971/…
james isaac's answer? Not the way I'd have done it, lets put it that way
it's mental
Why do you say that?
these days i think RAID 5 is pretty much the wrong answer to any question. Unless the question is "What sucks less, an angry rabid lemur in the face, RAID 0, or RAID 5".
its never going to yield great throughput for VMs, that's for sure
Ahh, didn't even notice he said R5. Editing my "seconded" comment to recommend R1 heh
18:23
@RobertMoir RAID5 is fine if you need capacity & some redundancy but can sacrifice speed.
unfortunately most people can't sacrifice speed these days (also, disk is cheap!)
@voretaq7 - I just feel these days it falls into the category of "least worst solution" rather than actually being a good solution.
@RobertMoir RAID5 runs quite nicely if you have a good system, though. With 2GB of cache and 30 spindles (6x 5-disk R5), we have absolutely no problem.
I don't trust it for capacity, so I'd say RAID6 these days there instead of RAID5
we all know that the more spindles you have in an array the higher the chance that if one fails, a second will also fail before you've recovered with raid 5
A 5-disk R5 set won't take too long to recover.
I actually use R6 for my content, secure enough without being R10-expensive, when you have 16TB LUNs it's perfectly acceptable in my opinion
18:27
Plus, the only time I've seen double-disk failure was when a server room was hit by a mortar. It's just one of those rare situations that you have backups for.
5 disk ain't too bad (but again, if it was very high capacity disks I'd worry) but anything above 5 or 6 drives and I start thinking that I should be doing something else. And since we're moving our data to SANs from local hard storage on each server as our old servers reach EOL, I just think of raid 5 as something I used to do.
my comment may have been a bit harsh
well... those being hit by a mortar moments aren't exactly something you can legislate for
@RobertMoir @chopper3 Do many controllers support RAID6 natively now?
I've seen 2 disks in a raid5 array fail, quite a few times. Or rather I've been called in to help people recover from corrupt exchange systems that had that happen to them.
and seen it once or twice, though not often i admit, on my own servers
good question voretaq, I honestly don't know
18:29
@RobertMoir How big of a R5 set?
@Chopper3 - we've seen harsher from you
6 disk on my own - never built them larger than that and kept them at raid 5
@voretaq7 Dunno, I'm a HP guy and theirs do, some need an 'unlock code' kind of thing but yes they do, think most good adaptecs do too, can't talk for dell sorry
@Hyppy just saw your comment, do you honestly think his idea of two R10 arrays makes any sense at all?
@Iain :)
seen some real big raid 5 arrays from others that have failed I've even had to say to a few people: "You have 12 disk in a raid 5 array and not even one of them is marked as at least a hot spare? Well you're just asking for trouble"
I can't believe that answer's got 3 upvotes - it's wall to wall bullshit
18:32
@Chopper3 I didn't read all the way through. Screw it, I'm just deleting my comment. You're right, it's a fuster cluck.
So, does anyone have any advice on how to deal with serverfault.com/questions/249817 ... I'm about to just delete my answer and move on.
@RobertMoir When I joined [main customer] they had some 26-disk R5 arrays, MS had not only recommended that config but had written the build scripts including automatically bypassing the HP "don't do this" warning, one of the first things I told them to do was move immediately to R6 and we've not lost any data in 5 years
@Hyppy glad you agree :)
There's some very good people and some very bad people involved with Microsoft and its pot luck who you get.
I presume that was Microsoft consulting that suggested that
not the SQL server or exchange server support teams
more than suggested, they built it! but yes it was, and they were subbed from 1E, as I mentioned before just done a new deal with them today and one of the caveats was that they don't get any say in the infrastructure
oh and we have two of their SQL DSC's in house, great guys
I use RAID5 commonly; it gets pretty good performance if: 1. You pay close attention to stripe size and file system block size, alignment, etc 2. The controller has a huge cache 3. You aren't pounding it with small writes (which most DBs do, so poor choice for DBs regardless)
I think at one stage MCS was where they threw all the rejects... the people who couldn't cut it in MSN operations (already the corporate dumping ground)
18:37
really?? hadn't heard that
@ChrisS - I'm not saying it can't ever be good. I'm just saying its time has, imho, passed as there's nearly always better options now.
I'm not sure if that's the gospel truth or a halloween story they told to scare poor performers but its something I heard. God knows MCS was a dumping ground for fools at one stage though
@Hyppy deal with serving NFS from a Windows box to *NIX? I think "don't DO that!" is as good an answer as I'd venture myself...
@voretaq7 do you see the 8 comment superthread that's there now? I've given him four separate howto and documentation guides already.
I think what you've said is right enough hyppy but some people don't want to be told the answer, they want to be told they're right
@Hyppy Didn't read the comments. Your answer is as much info about NFS-on-Windows as I'd be willing to tolerate. It's against God's Law, the Laws of Man, and Nature Herself!
18:43
@RobertMoir After introspection, I think that's pretty much what I'm doing right now. ;-)
(This is leaving aside my own personal loathing of NFS from years as a Sun admin dealing with environments that were cross-mounted into a dependency hell that required restarting the universe if one machine crashed)
I think people need to be realistic... if you want an active directory server then buy windows and you'll be happier in the long run. If you want to run NFS then put it on some kind of Unix box and you'll be happier in the long run. (+ countless other similar examples) Simple as that.
@RobertMoir If you want to run NFS drink vodka until you pass out. You'll be happier in the long run :)
well that's a whole other issue.. one I'm inclined to agree with
@RobertMoir it actually works for a lot of things in the SA field, though sometimes you can get away with just beer :-)
18:45
it just amazes me that people come up with the most fantastically twisted solutions and never once stop to ask themselves "hey, If I'm having to do all this crazy stuff to achieve something then maybe I'm starting from the wrong point"
Man, if @RobertMoir and @Chopper3 came to my office, you'd both jump out the window. We're running 100 VMs on R5 over NFS :-)
southern comfort and 7 up. Better than it sounds
hey if it works for you and and i'm not going to get a 4am call about it...
@Hyppy :) go on, 1Gb NFS too?
@Hyppy I'm the first to admit I'm lucky/spoiled - it's why I keep coming here, you guys are so inventive and realistic that it broadens my mind - I've found loads of cheaper/better solutions via SF than the default "write a big cheque" ones I'd normally do
Heh, The storage system has 16x 1Gb uplinks, but it also serves up CIFS and iSCSI as well.
We actually started off running our VMs on an OpenFiler system that had 2 DAS enclosures, so it's still an upgrade.
ah, good news, amazing how many people come on SF with a dell 1Gbps iscsi box wondering why their VM performance is shit :)
18:49
@Chopper3 you can get pretty good performance out of the md3000i
you just have to spend weeks on weeks tuning it
Heh, nah, it's an NS480. 30 FC15k spindles for VM alone
then ... spend 1/2 your day babysitting it :)
@Zypher bless :) seen any good gifs recently?
haha
gif's no but saw this today
installed vcenter operations the other day. Still trying to work out if its useful or just pretty
18:50
very nice zypher
while there are a couple of admirable points to that avatar, its not exactly family friendly
Wow, whole lots of NSFW there Iain heh
@RobertMoir not dealt with that, which is unfortunate given it's on the VCAP exam which I'm doing in a month gulp
big gulp. It's very pretty... not exactly difficult to setup and configure mind you
it just looks like its designed to go on the "big mission control TV" as much as it is to deliver actual useful info
18:52
there's so many bolt-ons I've never used, what are you going to use it for? was it spendy?
@RobertMoir @Chopper3 How big of a VMware farm are you guys running?
it was free... which played a large part in our decision
@Zypher can you deal with that avatar I pointed out ?
yep
and i wanted to do some monitoring of choke points on the first farm prior to setting up the 2nd, just to make sure my assumptions were correct
nothing big hyppy 5 hosts with about 40 servers on them
18:54
@RobertMoir oh that's very good, not planning on seeing our vmware rep for a while but might have to kick a free copy out of him @Hyppy ...quite a lot...
i think chopper's somewhat upmarket from my setup
they emailed me an offer for it, didn't even have to ask
bingo - will pursue!, thanks for the tip
no worries
@RobertMoir they gave me like 200 seats of VDI for buying a foundation kit for our secondary dc at the last place
any nginx fans here?
18:55
i think they just like to get people hooked every now and again on new stuff
thats pretty cool zypher. I wonder if that's 'cos they were pushing VDI as the next big thing a while ago
@RobertMoir I know I'll have to read the documentation at some point but does it need another DB in the same way VCUM does or does it sit inside the VC DB?
if they want to give me free stuff tho, then i'm all for that
@Zypher we get such a great deal off them I don't think we get the same free stuff as everyone else, I know there was a time when you could get free training/PS points but we don't get that now, good Ent+ prices though :)
It came down as an application package to me, I think it has an internal DB of its own but doesn't require you to setup another. It does setup a web server and will want to plug into vcenter but thats hardly a surprise
18:57
They'll give out free trainings for VM when you buy EMC products too. I think we got about 12 classes for our guys free when we bout a 250k SAN/NAS
@RobertMoir ah cool, thanks, did you install it inside your VC machine/VM or on another?\
So half our guys got to go to VMware troubleshooting and performance classes
@Hyppy nice
just imported it as another guest on our farm
asks for 8gb of ram, but other than that it doesn't seem to monster a lot of resources
that does sound easy - do you use the VMa?
19:00
nope. we're a bit to ghetto to need it
it's free isn't it? I love it, lets you script all sorts of things with passthrough authentication - great for consolidating logs too
never even looked that closely at it in the past, though i suspect we're coming to the point where we will need it
so i might take a look, especially at 'free' Thanks :-)
it's VERY small so easy to drop in, comes as an .OVF so quick to do, default password was a bit buried :)
am I being thick or have both the answers to this missed the bit where he says that jobs like date run ok ? serverfault.com/q/249998/9517
sounds about right. That's how operations standard came down... the most difficult part of the deployment was remembering how to import OVF files
19:04
haha :) we use vApps a lot so know that bit well :)
we package up whole versions of subsystems as vApps, move them from dev to test to prod etc.
sounds about right. We don't do any of that, once its on the virtual hosts its probably staying where it is, for us
@Iain oh yeah, that is odd isn't it
well it's odd to me that both answers say check crond is running
@RobertMoir we have some subsystems that get 90-day updates, others can be twice weekly, by version-controlling them at least we're less likely to trip over ourselves
don't have the time to be too clever, i spent most of today playing with something called PaperCut to manage printing
19:07
when the OP says that simple jobs run OK
so i tend to be spread pretty thinly i mean
yeah cron is either on or off, its not going to look at a job and say "that looks like hard work, sod it, i'm going offline for a bit"
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@Iain I didn't think cron could run jobs like that.. I thought you had to put the 'cd /path && run program' part into a script and run the script.
He doesn't say what *nix he's running either....
you mean they're different? ;-)
@ChrisS is does work OK like that
@Chopper3 Haven't messed with vApps that much. It's just a logical grouping of VMs into OVFs that can be managed as one unit, right?
19:21
@RobertMoir Cron Daemon Sez: "Screw that, I'm not in the mood to run jobs right now!"
i know how it feels. My neck is stiff and I think i've got a cold coming
@RobertMoir Well, the room topic wants to offer some comforting information.
its never lupus!
Mr House taught me that
@RobertMoir Except that ONE time!
oh yeah, the one time it was actually lupus
19:26
I think House has all the qualities of a good sysadmin. "Users lie", "Keep trying things until it's fixed or more broken", and "Make the interns do the busywork" have been mantras of mine for decades.
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i have to agree...
It's like Sherlock Holmes meets BOFH, medical-drama-style
19:44
@Hyppy Nonsense! I can only think of 2 episodes where House's treatments involved electric shocks!
A good BOFH applies the cattle prod FAR more liberally
Cattle prod, stress test until a heart explodes... Is there really a functional difference?
@Hyppy hmm
depends
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