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12:48 AM
I come here expecting boobs and I see regular discussion? Disappointing!
 
well, there's no one right sort of boobs either!
 
Isn't there an rss feed called 'two tits per hour' or something?
 
@ScottPack if there is, why hasn't its feed been added here yet?
 
Talk to the mods and/or room owners.
 
Some semblance of keeping it work-safe would be nice ;)
 
1:02 AM
of course, jesting is always fun for me ;)
 
1:29 AM
hm, for once in my life, i am hoping that my warranty isn't on site service
cause the building the drop off point for lenovo in singapore is AWESOME
 
wait what?
 
@Shads0: a usb port in my newish laptop snapped off. Its a thinkpad, so i may have onsite service. However lenovo's drop off center for servicing is in Parkview Square en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkview_Square
 
ahh...thats...unfortunate
 
2:06 AM
ya, need to wait a few days (i have a presentation on monday)
damn, its on site
 
 
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3:15 AM
 
3:35 AM
SFW:
 
 
2 hours later…
5:26 AM
Best use of paint:
 
6:26 AM
G'day
 
 
2 hours later…
8:13 AM
Ponies and tits.
I mean: Good morning.
 
 
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9:14 AM
^ she seems nice
 
9:56 AM
I was hoping for a conversation this morning so I could make chat sfw.
 
 
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11:32 AM
@SmallClanger Indeed, can't keep the tab open now
:)
 
11:44 AM
@BartDeVos So, erm.. computer networks. They're pretty cool, huh?
 
@SmallClanger Yeah, awesome. I've heard the can transmit bits and bytes.. Pretty nifty...
 
I agree.
 
So
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Q: How do you make it obvious you are on a production system?

Sionide21A few of us at my company have root access on production servers. We are looking for a good way to make it exceedingly clear when we have ssh'd in. A few ideas we have had are: Bright red prompt Answer a riddle before getting a shell Type a random word before getting a shell What are some t...

what do you do to make this clear?
 
Love the figlet answer.
 
Yeah, Kenny is my collegue
he's been pumped about the answer he gave all day
 
11:49 AM
I'd suggest some filthy ANSI colour codes on the shell prompt, so the reminder is always there.
I'd post that as an answer, but the thought of having to lookup those codes to make the answer meaningful makes me cry.
 
here it's just some fugly PS1-var
wit background colors etc
 
@BartDeVos Different admin account names.
 
Ah, yes, we have that to
 
@jscott. Absolutely. No root access, but everyone must sudo everything. The knowledge that everything you is audited is always a good way to make sure you behave.
 
L1.Bart.DeVos -> Develop
L2.Bart.DeVos -> Staging
L3.Bart.DeVos -> Production
no root, sudo everything, reminders every 120 sec that you are on a production machine
 
11:53 AM
@BartDeVos That's almost the exact thing we're doing. You really know when you're breaking out your Domain Admin user account.
 
ah, and autologoff after 5 mins of inactivity, so you can't confuse windows that are left open
never had a problem with it so far
knocks on wood
 
12:09 PM
'ello 'ello folks
 
@Shads0 Hi
 
"I just moved my website to XYZ free hosting site and pointed my official site there because it's SOOO much nicer to use than the one you set up and now we're told we have to use the one you set up so is there a way for you to get all the stuff I deleted back on my site?"
 
uhhh, herp derp?
 
In other words, "Your version sucks and so I moved away from it, now I'm forced to use it. Can you put back everything I wiped off of my page?"
O_o
Well, thank you for the feedback...
 
 
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1:47 PM
I use different prompt colors. Warm colors (Red, Yellow, Magenta) for production systems. Cool colors (Blue, Green, Cyan) for dev boxen and workstations. Production systems also end in a two digit number, everything else in a 1 digit number, but that's not completely obvious.
 
posted first answer to OnStartups...see how it's received. Very old question though.
Saw it in the mailing lists and intrigued me, so thought I'd try it.
As for the servers I rely on the "try to stay focused on my task" method a lot of times.
And throwing things at people that interrupt me.
Works fairly well.
Considering the low number of Linux servers there are here it's generally not a problem.
 
I'm almost always bouncing between a couple of tasks... Color coding and making a habit of paying attention to where I'm doing something really help.
 
I'm bouncing among tasks, just not normally multiple Linux servers.
...um...plus I'm partially color blind.
 
ouch..
IPv4 unicast indirectly-connected routes: 8144/8144 6942/6942
1,1k more routes and we'll have to invest in a new router pair
 
@BartSilverstrim Aren't the ASCI colors picked so the 3 most popular types of color-blind can still differentiate them?
 
1:57 PM
Depends, I suppose.
I'd have to look and see if I can tell.
 
I think the middle column would be the most important, as it's usually a dark background with white text for the prompt.
 
What? I can't see a middle column. What color is it?
 
What are you, red-green, blue-yellow? Or one of the more obscure ones?
 
Red-green.
Although I also can't tell purple from blue.
Green/brown.
DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME.
 
Interesting; I'll have to keep that in mind when picking colors..
@BartSilverstrim Why would I do that??
I can see how it would matter if you worked in QA at a dye shop... But I don't see how it would make much (if any) difference for a SysAdmin.
 
2:05 PM
red green meaning you cant see those colors, aye?
 
The human eye doesn't work by seeing or not seeing a color... If you're color blind in some particular colors then you can't tell the difference between them.
The colors simply look the same.
Those two images should look more or very similar to someone with red-green color blindness.
 
ah, i was going to make a nipple joke as they are a shade of red
 
I guess I'm not colorblind at all then
the only colour that matches here is the third line (yellow)
 
There are quite a few different types of color blindness.. Red-Green accounts for something like 85% of people who are color blind; almost all of them are men.
 
I know someone who is blue black colour blind
 
2:11 PM
@ChrisS They do.
The shades look different but they appear to be the same color or variations of them.
 
2:39 PM
@ChrisS Red LED versus green LED on a front panel (especially on old systems that don't blink lights for a failed disk)
 
our new EMC SAN has glowing red lights when something has gone bad
but its a different LED from the normal operating one
 
@voretaq7 I suppose for really old systems where they used Red/Green.. But I haven't seen any of those in a long time. They're all Blue-Green and Amber or some other combination that most color blind people can see.
And if you've got a system that old, you can probably just assume it's failed/failing/going to fail.
 
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Q: MySQL - copy database files - save my day

MurtaI need to salvage-move database from one MySQL server to another by copying database files between the servers (copy the .frm, .myd, and .myi files from one database folder to another). The first server failed (won't start) so I managed to salvage database files only, and I have no idea what My...

facepalm
 
Doesn't MySQL have paid support that you can call for this sort of thing?
 
@ChrisS I <3 my PDP/11!
 
2:56 PM
@ChrisS I think one could make a business of it.
 
So Gaddafi is dead, huh
 
$VENDOR: "We can't fix our shit so you have to pay us a fee to fix it"
Me: "ಠ_ಠ"
This is officially the week from hell
 
@Shads0 At least rebel forces didn't shoot you as you were trying to run away...
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There's reasons I wear a blast shield...
 
3:32 PM
Too snarky?
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A: Filename Case issue with over WebDav

Shane MaddenRename the directory. Trying to force Windows to play nice with a case-sensitive filesystem might be workable in a very narrow set of circumstances, but trying to get it to work correctly in all use cases is an exercise in futility. Why would you want to have that as a file organization scheme,...

 
He could turn on file name case sensitivity in Windows.. But the zillion poorly coded Windows apps that every 3rd party dev puts out will break.
If you edit that option in and mention that it's a bad idea I think you deserve an upvote for the correct answer "rename the directory"
 
@ChrisS Fair enough
 
@ShaneMadden that's not snarky
 
3:50 PM
+1 for Office Space reference
 
Haha
I'm almost tempted to turn on case sensitivity and fire up a WebDAV share with overlapping names to see if WebClient's actually capable. Maybe if I'm bored this weekend.
 
@ShaneMadden regarding your answer to the multiple ssl keys to one IP, the support is really a browser issue, isn't it?
 
@PeterGrace Yes and no - windows XP stuff using MS's crypto library can't do it
so, chrome, IE
 
ah, ok.
I +1'd your answer anyway :)
 
That works, thanks :)
 
4:40 PM
Anyone here publishing SPF records (and if so are they as type SPF or TXT?)
 
@SmallClanger Both. TXT is the old way, SPF is the new way - I wouldn't bet on a majority of validator implementations checking the SPF type just yet.
 
That's what I thought. I'm publishing both myself, just used a validator to check my changes and threw a: PermError SPF Permanent Error: Two or more type TXT spf records found.
Figured it was just a validator issue rather than my mistake, but good to know it's not just me. :)
 
Hmm, but it says there's two in just TXT records? That would indeed be an issue
 
True, but I've gone over my zone file with a fine-toothed regexp. Definitely only one TXT record in there.
 
Broken validator, then!
 
4:56 PM
 
@SmallClanger TXT, all version 1 too
 
man
I don't come in chat all of yesterday, and first thing I see is the meme generator back at work
 
I suppose anything that fails an SPF RR lookup will check for a TXT, still. I'm certainly following the RFC (4408 3.1.1) on publishing both, but I'm getting the same permerror from two validators.
 
5:11 PM
@Aaron Would you rather see goatse first thing?
 
Argh! sticks head in bucket to muffle bellowed swearing
 
yeah.... no.. not really
 
@Aaron could be worse, it can always be worse
 
Our idiot ASP support portal host is publishing 3 fucking TXT records and we're include:ing theirs.
 
@Shads0, I guess I was more surprised that the short term attention span of this room managed to hold on to memegenerator for 2 days
 
5:14 PM
@Aaron You should see it at night, as I have discovered...
 
They've been Poniatized... disturbing really.
 
wow, just got a piracy commercial from spotify, they're becoming self aware
 
5:32 PM
all these meme image things are making me itch
 
arrrrrgh! I'm trying to upgrade my computer at home, and it wont recognize the RAM properly
BIOS/win7 reports 8GB, while CPU-Z reports 12GB
I just re-seated the CPU, cleaned every ram slot for dust and still 8GB.. grr
 
What edition of Win7? Windows 7 Home Basic: 8 GB msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
 
sorry :( I couldn't help myself
 
@Aaron That's the spirit!
 
@ChrisS home premium
@ChrisS: and the BIOS reports 8GB, so the problem must be somewhere else
hm.. I just found the qualified memory vendor list for my mobo
the only 12GB combo they list is 3x4GB sticks.. I have 6x2GB
 
5:41 PM
Must be an Intel processor?
 
yeah, i920 on X58 chipset
 
Rank strikes again!
Two 2GB sticks on the same memory channel must have too high a rank for that chip. And If I remember correctly, one of the three channels has different characteristics than the others... Where's Chop when you need him?
 
Rank?
 
well.. this mobo has 6 ram slots
 
@Aaron Dual rank, quad rank, single rank
 
5:44 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about
In other news, I'm trying to stretch my Dell Dimension 8300's lifespan to 10 years! We'll see what happens
 
RAM has delay characteristic dependent on how much juice it draws and how many of each are installed. This dynamic is most easily expressed as a cludged number called Rank.
typically a 1GB stick = 1 Rank; though low voltage models have thrown a wrench in the works.
 
AGP video cards for life!
 
More Rank = More delay. The chip can clock down the RAM bus to accommodate more, but hits a limit eventually.
 
@Aaron I just sold my last PC
Now I'm an all Apple household
I do have a 2008R2 VM in VBox on my macbook air, though
 
we have 2 iphone 3GSs, 1 ipad 2, a work dell laptop, a compaq laptop, and the aforementioned dell dimension
 
5:47 PM
Apple's are PCs too, they just don't look like John Hodgman.
 
ok, I have 6xdual rank chips
the manual mentions that I can't run them on 1666mhz, but I already tried to run them at 1333 (and 1066) with no further success
 
@MarkM may I ask why the switch to all Apple? Maybe its because I'm a huge gamer that I don't see a good practical reason for this.
And I do have an iMac, was mostly used for iPhone dev until I realized the market sucks and the language is kinda convoluted
 
@Shads0 I recently got a macbook air and loved the thing. My fiancee has a white 2008 macbook and I got a mac mini from work for next to nothing for the desk that we share
The only PC that was left in the house was my gaming desktop but I haven't used it in over a year
between PS3 and iPad games, I lost interest for PC gaming, so I sold it
 
In other news, should you ever worry about the GPS system failing, don't worry! The iphone 4s can use GLONASS (where satellites find YOU)!
actually, wait, they do find you. I may have to rework that one
 
I saw something where russia just launched (or is launching) a satellite capable of 140Gb/s throughput back to earth
I was like, holy snikes
 
5:59 PM
afternoon
I posted a question on NFS and windows 7 if anyone is bored. serverfault.com/q/323359/96078
Will grant much checkmark in return!
 
6:16 PM
why does setting charset encoding in HTML/HTTP suck so much?
 
Oh, webmasters. How cute.
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Q: Intellectual Property theft from our webserver. What should we do?

kirkSo we caught some computers trying to download a ton of files from our webserver, and we stopped them before they got much (used iptables to drop their IPs). These were not web crawlers, but scripts that had been written to target a specific data set on our servers. Has anyone had success in act...

"Files on my public web server got downloaded!!"
 
@Basil You didn't use mount -u:joe -p:password \\netapp\share X:?
 
@ShaneMadden "Call your lawyer. Expect him to laugh all the way to the bank."
 
Mapping users names is usually for the other way around, no way to specify a domain name when a *nix client mounts a nfs share from a Windows machine.
 
@ChrisS I've been trying to map it with the mapping gui...
 
6:21 PM
Well there's your problem =]
 
@ChrisS claims it completed successfully, but I can't see it or CD to it in a command prompt...
never mind, I can
well, I can see it in the command prompt, but I can't see it in the mapped drives area
 
You mean "My Computer"?
 
also, I still dont have write access
@ChrisS yeah, I see my cifs shares there, but not the drive I just mounted.
 
I've never tried to use it with a NetApp, might be something "special" going on there.
 
that's what Im worried about, that and user mapping.
thanks for the -u and -p flags, though- wasnt aware of them
gotta jet for a meeting, be back in a bit
 
6:26 PM
Is your command prompt an elevated prompt (says Administrator in the title)? If so, mapped drives there will not appear in My Computer.
 
Is it appropriate to make a snarky remark to this comment like 'Well, at least you'll still get the w3schools.com hits!'
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A: Why is Google offering users the ability to block results from my site?

Mike HudsonThis is a "feature" that was rolled out in March (since modified in the UI). From the Google announcement (emphasis mine): You’ve probably had the experience where you’ve clicked a result and it wasn’t quite what you were looking for. Many times you’ll head right back to Google. Perhaps the ...

 
Haha
Yeah I've been using the blocklist since the day they introduced it. experts-exchange.com is no more.
 
I don't run across that one all that often that it bothers me
nextag.com on the other hand, gets the boot right away
 
posted on October 20, 2011 by SysAdmin1138

Say you want to execute a series of commands on a bunch of Windows machines and your AV considers 'psexec' to be malware. What are you to do? Remote PowerShell can be used. What's more, it can be done in parallel. Say you've got to run a malware cleanup script on 1200 computer-lab machines RIGHT NOW, you can't just put it as a scheduled task in a GPO and wait for the GPOs to apply. $JobTracker=

 
There's antivirus which thinks psexec is malware? Someone should slap them around.
 
6:43 PM
@ShaneMadden win.com? YOU'RE INFECTED!
 
@voretaq7 Damn right!
 
Ok, stick with me on this guys. Do you know the "Cyper-police are going to backtrace you" guy?
 
@MarkM I do now.
 
Apparently, and I didn't know this, that guy is my fiancee's friend's uncle. We were all in a FB chat to hammer out some plans
and i was like hurry up and answer or i'll have you backtraced
and she was like, haaa the backtrace guy is my uncle
I know a celebrity.
 
Nice. Claim to fame!
 
6:51 PM
Screw you guys, I can retire now. That family is Internet rich.
 
Couldn't find one with his face
 
haha
apparently that part of the family moved from philly to florida many years ago and no one kept in touch with them.
...I wonder why.
 
@MarkM ::innocent whistle::
 
7:06 PM
I'm gonna go with "Jeff didn't blackhole " for 800.
To add insult to injury, Hazey is the one that re-created it this time.
 
@ShaneMadden created an admonition in its tag wiki. Is there already a meta topic for burninating it?
 
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Q: Apache tags - a bit of a mess?

Shane MaddenSo, we've got apache, which is the second most popular tag on the site. It's a superset of the versions of it - apache2, apache2.2, apache1.3; and apache2 is essentially a superset of 2.0, 2.2, and soon to be 2.4; certainly, most of the apache2 questions are referring to version 2.2 and not 2.0....

 
@ShaneMadden yeah I know about that one - I'll make an official "please burninate" request...
 
@voretaq7 Fair enough
 
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Q: Please (re?) burninate the [apache] tag

voretaq7The apache tag seems to have risen from the dead and is attracting new questions - I think it may have gotten missed in the burnination requests from Apache tags - a bit of a mess? . (Per the conversation on that thread, apache is better off split into apache1 , apache2, and possibly future vers...

I resisted the temptation to create on meta. Though maybe it's not a bad idea to have such a tag :-)
 
7:19 PM
Couldn't hurt.
 
cute dragon.
I also have mixed feelings about apache-tomcat but maybe we can prune that one ourselves
 
Hm, I'm trying to upload an image in an answer and I'm getting a "format not supported" error for jpg and png. Can anyone else confirm this?
 
::sigh:: people who know nothing about e-mail/SMTP should not be running their own server...
 
@MarkM imgur has been a wreck the last few days, probably their problem.
 
I can upload the same pic directly to imgur
I can't

1) upload it directly through SF

2) Upload to imgur and link to SF
 
7:32 PM
Yup, same here
Continuous deployment strikes again @Zypher @PeterGrace
 
@ShaneMadden Agile: Release Early, Release Often, Release Broken.
 
@Zypher is taking a look.
 
@ChrisS specific question, or just generally disappointed at the state of the interwebs?
@PeterGrace tell him to be careful - if you stare too long into the abyss^W source code the abyss^Wsource code stares back...
 
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Q: Failed to upload image; format not supported error when uploading supported formats

MarkMOn ServerFault, I attempted to upload an image from my PC. I receive the error" Failed to upload image; format not supported error when uploading supported formats I tried with a JPG and a PNG, same error. I know imgur has been having issues, so I uploaded it directly to imgur, which actually wo...

 
@voretaq7 Someone invited me to a chat room.... Yahoo Postmasters are mad at them and they don't understand why... They're running a Free Webmail Service, but it might as well be an open relay.
 
7:37 PM
@MarkM Did you try to post the SQL guy's screen shot?
 
ya
this is my original
 
@ShaneMadden ja we had to turn it off a few days ago
seems that i.stack.imgur.com is having issues
 
 
@ChrisS . . . must. use. explosives.
 
I was tempted to tell them to unplug the server until they knew what they were doing...
 
7:38 PM
@MarkM you know what that needs? GREEN arrows.
 
Even then, the world has enough freemail services.
 
Red properly conveys my fury
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@ChrisS "NOTICE: You have been assigned the PUNISHMENT TERMINAL by your local system administrator. You are currently restricted to a single 80x25 terminal window, displaying red (0xFF0000) text on a blue (0x0000FF) background. Punishment will continue until you develop some competence."
(seriously if you ever want to punish someone set their terminal defaults to that.)
 
@MarkM Conveniently, the OP forgot to mention his initial install of SQL failed BECAUSE HE REBOOTED BEFORE IT FINISHED.
 
I'm going to vote close
 
7:40 PM
@jscott . . .
 
It's SQL Express on his local PC
 
To SU with ye.
 
@voretaq7 Duly noted
 
Smells like trash, reads like trash, and I can't upload a mocking image since imgur is broken. It's officially worthless.
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@jscott you want to inflict that on SU? Think they deserve it?
I mean it's not like they're SO...
 
7:42 PM
@voretaq7 the question is when don't they deserve it?
 
@Shads0 when the cryo tank ruptures and hell freezes over?
 
@voretaq7 Fair enough. To the bottomless pit of OT then.
 
@voretaq7 it's a Windows VPS
 
I've been tearing apart an empty bag of sour patch kids for the last minute or two to try and get at the sugary stuff at the bottom without making a mess. Then, it hits me, I have scissors in my desk. That moment of satisfaction when I reached for the scissors and solved my problem immediately must be what the first gorilla felt when he shoved a stick into a tree to pull termites out for the first time.
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what the fuck were in those sour patch kids?
 
7:48 PM
@Shads0 Sugar, Invert Sugar, Corn Syrup, Modified Corn Starch, Tartatic Acid, Citric Acid, Natural and Artificial Flavoring, Yellow 6, Red 40, Yellow 5, and Blue 1.
 
@ChrisS make it the desktop background then. and pop up a window randomly with red-on-blue patterns.
@MarkM OOH OOH AHH AHH!
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@MarkM ... sugar && ¬sugar?
 
@voretaq7 I just googled it, actually
 
@MarkM it's pre-hydrolyzed sugar
 
7:50 PM
Invert sugar comes from splitting sucrose into fructose and glucose
 
's basically what's in my "Stick this under your tongue before you black out, moron" sugar pills
 
I have a comment with 8 stars and just made my second consecutive m.so post that hasn't gotten downvoted into oblivion. Fuck it, I'm quitting my job and buying a lotto ticket. Today's the day!
 
That might be the sour patch kids talking.
 
@MarkM you got 8 stars with gorillas. I post magnificent knockers and nobody stars 'em.
 
@voretaq7 Gotta play to your audience, man.
 
7:55 PM
KNOCKERS! Who in this room doesn't like knockers?! :P
 
we should just flag everything @voretaq7 posts that invovles boobs, to f*** with him
 
@Shads0 do you really want the mods coming in here and seeing our boob-laden conversations?
or worse, the sock incident??
 
sock incident?
 
Frau Blucher!
 
Don't think I was around for that
 
7:57 PM
Jan 26 at 17:41, by pauska
Today, I came home to find a sock I previously used to whack off on my bed with googly eyes and a mouth drawn on it with a note that read "Because you can't find a real girl, I made your current one prettier, Love Mom." FML
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.... o O
 
@voretaq7 .......ಠ_ಠ.......
 
@voretaq7 For having bookmarked that, you win a star.
 
a sock? Really, who uses a sock??!!
 
@MarkM not bookmarked - google q/pauska sock eyes the comms room/
My google-fu is strong.
…(and chat archives are indexed)
 
7:59 PM
on that note....going home now
 
I would strongly urge everyone that voted for gorillas to also vote for pauska jerking off into socks with eyes. I hereby yield all future votes to the delegate from New York.
 
@MarkM ::smears feces on the walls of the House chamber and jumps from desk to desk shouting "NINE! ELEVEN!":: -- My best Peter King impression!
(also punishment for not SHARING YOUR SOUR PATCH KIDS YOU GREEDY BASTARD! :'( )
 
Dude, I just compared myself (accurately) to a fucking gorilla discovering tools. Give me a break.
 
gorillas share! :-)
 
I'm not sure I believe that fmylife site is actual submissions
the typing and grammar are too good
 
8:02 PM
@Aaron at one point it probably was. now that it makes money ... i doubt it
 
luckily, regretsy is still full of real life fails
 
@Aaron oh regretsy.
 
@jscott, awesome
I'm drowing in hipster
 
You can even see this guy's vagina here
 
8:12 PM
Is it bad when I look at the wall and can still see the visual imprint of the syntax diagrams I've been staring at all afternoon?
 
@ChrisS no. can you draw them?
 
not yet... getting there
I shouldn't complain; the diagrams are pretty easy to read overall.
 
@jscott well. I can say this: You know those guys got whatever the hell kind of freaky sex they wanted after doing THAT favor for their girlfriend. (Especially the ones in the RISTUPULOUS beanies)
 
so, in an hour you've broken imgur and re-(re-re) dragged up the pauska's Sock Incident? Impressive.
 
8:31 PM
@tombull89 we try.
 
8:44 PM
My Favorite Part Of My Job: BUYING NEW HARDWARE!
 
@ChrisS oh yes.
Or buysing new hardware in general.
Then again...from eBay...makes things interesting.
 
9:10 PM
Why in the world does this question have 30 upvotes?
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Q: Is there any benefit in using PHP comments over HTML comments in HTML code?

Emanuil RusevI heard someone say that there is so I was wondering. HTML comment: <!-- Comment goes here. --> PHP comment: <?php // Comment goes here. ?>

And a 1 sentence answer of HTML comments get sent to the browser and PHP comments don't, and if you don't understand that, you need to be beaten with a large book
 
9:24 PM
I just tried to propose as a synonym for but it won't let me as Version specific synonyms can only be created by moderators :(
 
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Q: What is the optimal Jewish toenail cutting algorithm?

Peter OlsonI am working on the software for a machine that will automatically trim toenails, so that users can simply put their feet in it and run it instead of having to manually do it by biting them or using nail clippers. A sizeable percentage of our potential user base will likely be Jewish, and, evide...

best W-T-F question title on SO
 
@Iain That makes very little sense. What's the point of the community synonym system if it's impossible to ever make an actual synonym?
 
the rules are tailored to SO
Outside SO it's almost impossible to propose a synonym these days
 
9:39 PM
For sure. I understand the votes-in-the-tag requirement, but really, what's with the version restriction? SO users making crap synonyms all over the place for nonsense versions for the badge, maybe?
 
Anyone play with data deduplication?
 
@ShaneMadden it will be because of something that happened on SO
 
save me from having to go over to webmasters.SE - Is 1024x768 still the lowest common denominator for screen resolution in web design?
 
The comments here...I still think it sounds like something bad is being asked for here. serverfault.com/questions/321982/…
I'd think it's 800x600, but I'm not a web design expert.
 
@voretaq7 make it so
 
9:42 PM
@voretaq7 Pft, 640x480 for life.
 
If you want it to be, for your design, then declare it so.
Then make a mobile version :-)
 
@BartSilverstrim yuck really?
also I don't care about mobile versions. Buy a damn iPhone and double-tap to expand :)
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shrug I've had goofy edge cases.
 
Seriously. And much hate for sites that auto-redirect to a mobile version.
 
I have too - mostly people forcing me into a nutless "mobile" version of their site and not letting me escape.
 
9:44 PM
That guy is insisting that data deduping for the OP's case would work on zfs. I'm thinking it's asking for trouble, multiple processes that big all hitting a data deduping filesystem?
Would it not be asking for trouble if the processes aren't aware of each other being shared like that?
Maybe not. I'm not accustomed to a filesystem that does that though.
 
@BartSilverstrim did I miss a Q?
 
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A: What is a good solution for multiple large software installations?

Alex HolstSounds like you need a filesystem with deduplication support. If there are no native filesystems with dedup support, you could consider hosting your data via NFS and placing it on say, ZFS, so each new copy doesn't take up as much additional space.

It just didn't expand it above...it was inline.
 
ZFS dedup just watches duplicate blocks, and all new writes are copies - I haven't messed with their dedup stuff much, but my hunch is that it behaves about the same as their snapshot stuff, just tracking which blocks belong to which instance. Modified parts of one instance shouldn't step on others.
 
So in that case it would be fine?
Does this mean that ZFS could lead to goofy size problems on the filesystem?
 
Yeah - making an educated guess on how it works, but my hunch is that it's ok..
 
9:49 PM
I.e., you have a 100 gig disk, ZFS, and you fill it with three VM's reporting to be 70 gig each but because of deduping it would look like you're storing 210 gig on a 100 gig disk?
 
Good question, heh.
 
Because if you're right about that, the processes see each file as a separate file, and the deduping is abstracted away.
So either the drive can overfill things until you make a massive change (update a VM, your storage goes sploof in my example) or the drive reports data as you're "virtually" storing it, negating the deduping benefit.
My only experience at all with deduping is Exchange's change in the way the mail whore works, so I didn't know about filesystem level. People act like ZFS is powered by unicorn farts.
 
Looks like they went with column A: you'll overfill then hose yourself when you make a big change.
Somehow, df now believes that the pool is 422GB instead of 134GB. Why is that? Well, rather than reporting the amount of available space by subtracting used from size, df now calculates its size dynamically as the sum of the space used plus the space available.
 
Ooh. And people worried about admins dicking themselves over by typing in the wrong ssh session. Can't imagine the wonderful issues ZFS will bring if it becomes popular.
 
Haha. You can hose yourself in the same way with thin provisioning in vSphere, too.
 
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