Over 400 votes already cast in the first day.

@Randal'Thor Does that mean 400 people listed their preferred candidates, or does it mean that ~60 people are considered to have casted 7 votes each?

@Alex Sorry, I should've said over 400 people voted in the first day.

Also, not everyone is casting the full 7 votes - it could be anywhere from 1 to 7 per person.

@Randal'Thor guessing that’s come from the CMs?

probably badge count

Ah true

7 pages (60 each) + 22 = 442 votes cast right now

Almost reaching last elections total count, though I imagine most votes are cast early

i think i made a voter turnout tracker for codegolf's election

don't remember if i kept the source code around

@The @hyp Neither CMs nor badge count :-)

You know the box on completed elections that says "x users visited the site during the election and y voted"? That box is also visible on ongoing elections, but only to site mods.

ah, cool. well, i wouldn't know :D

This is the first time I've been a mod during an election on my mod site too.

I did know that box is visible to mods in ongoing elections, but I didn't know that comments on nominations are mod-deletable. (Maybe they even weren't before the recent updates that made them upvotable/flaggable.)

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm a mod during an election sometime in the foreseeable future (like months or even a year or two) but it also might not happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Randal'Thor Cool, guessing it tells you how many have visited so far as well?

Yep.

@Randal'Thor Have been for at the very least several years.

@TheLethalCarrot I agree about most votes being cast early, but I'm also expecting significantly more votes than last time.

The number of eligible voters is almost three times as many.

Should get more then. And it's been a while since an election which could drive "hype"

I've seen people in various other chatrooms talking excitedly about the SFF election.

Lot of good candidates, which makes it particularly exciting, even if not as many as we were expecting.

alright so for anyone who is interested, this shows a (mostly) live count of how many people have voted (by badge counting) - it'll cache and refuse to update more than once a minute

I have to wait a whole minute to get an update on voter turnout! This is purely unacceptable

:P

The caching of the Constituent badge itself is probably more than a minute.

I'd imagine it runs every 15 mins at least

I'm seeing 445 on the election page and that site shows 444, so it's already out of date :-P

Useless!

shows 445 for me now :D

shouldiblamecaching.com

this is just a mess of caching. SE not awarding badges immediately, API might cache and not show the badge appearing, and my site caching. jeez

So shouldiblamecachingcachingcahing.com ?

I'll stop being sarcastic for a minute though, cool tool :)

thanks :D only took me like 15 mins to re-setup since i apparently deleted or lost the old code or smth

i think the old one may have actually been scraping the badges page. but the API makes it considerably less annoying :P

anyway i'm off to sleep it's 4:23 now o/

Ciao

@TheLethalCarrot Do you mean shouldiblamecaching.com

Twas a joke about the layers of caching involved here

Ca-ching!

@hyper-neutrino url blocked! Good thing I'm a site mod

@Randal'Thor They have? I was tempted to go to, or send representatives to SFF-adjacent chats and promote the election

PPCG CCCG were talking about it in TNB

@AncientSwordRage We've been discussing it a decent amount in TNB, and I think the Screening Room has had some chatter

I need to get used to CCCG, it was still PPCG when I was active there

We (the "elders" :P) still call it PPCG from time to time ;P

I may continue doing so then haha

@TheLethalCarrot I'm lost

something something code golf?

I always get TNB and the second monitor mixed up some reason

Oh I got it the wrong way round anyway, Code Golf and Coding Challenges

I worked late last night so my brain is not working properly this morning apparently

I still call it PPCG, but then I don't know anything either about that site or even about programming :-P

I just call it code golf, because it's codegolf.se

@Randal'Thor There's only one thing you need to know about PPCG: shorter is better :P

have we put any feelers out into Arqade/Lit/movies/rpg?

@cairdcoinheringaahing short++

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll just call it C then.

I'm going to call it from now on

@Randal'Thor See, you get it :P

@AncientSwordRage I can't speak for other rooms, but hyper keeps an eye out on elections network wide and announces them fairly regularly in TNB

@AncientSwordRage I'm on Lit, so I've mentioned it a couple of times there (actually as an excuse for my reduced Lit activity this month)

Dunno about the others.

Movies chat seems pretty dead these days, from my quick glance through the transcript.

I'll ask on RPG

@TheLethalCarrot awww, chat collapsed the double space

Just use this:

​

Network wide chat search for "election"

@Randal'Thor who wants to poke Arqade chat D:

@AncientSwordRage Done.

@Randal'Thor thanks

Do the nomination cards not update if a candidate earns a new badge during the election phase?

I saw that @SQB earned Sportsmanship some hours ago, but his candidate score is still the same.

Ah no, they do update, because Adamant earned Constituent and his score updated, and that must have been during the election phase by definition.

@Randal'Thor mine did as well when I earned Copy Editor

@cairdcoinheringaahing i just look at the weekly election schedule update in TL and mention anything notable / remember when a notable election starts, and an SFF election is definitely quite notable :D

Oh, those are back on?

well it's just a CM posting every friday lol

idk if there was previously an automatic thing or if that's what they did in the past too

There used to be a page you could visit, I think... And ArtOfCode used to have a page he hosted that had elections but I don't think he's been keeping it up for a while.

ah, I see. if I'm bored I could try to recreate something like that :p

@Randal'Thor I don't think it did. It's one of the moderation badges, right? Those are still at 6/8, with [Civic Duty, Cleanup, Deputy, Electorate, Marshal, Reviewer].

@hyper-neutrino I'm guessing that Art still has the code somewhere... I think he just didn't want to host it any more.

ah. probably could find it on his github ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ lol

@hyper-neutrino I know, it just fell off for a while AFAIR

Elections themselves fell off for a while, probably around the time you resigned.

Who'd want to be a new mod when existing mods were quitting left and right?

@Mithical ah. okay

^^ yeah, definitely true

Most of the reasons we stopped holding elections was less because no one was nominating and more because of other factors, such as waiting on the new mod agreement.

We thought it would be done in January - hahahahahaha - I think we finally put it out in... August?

We now have more eligible voters visiting the site during the election, and more visiting the election page itself, than in 2016.

Cool

Have more voted yet though?

according to my website, QUERY FAILED [400] people have voted

...

472 have voted. :)

i have probably hit a rate-limit/throttle :D

er, no, 400 is bad parameter. tf am i doing then

@Catija Not quite then yet, good turnout though so far

I haven't voted yet, so now is y'all's time to influence my choice.

Hmm, I wonder if there's any way to see the distribution of votes over time in past elections. Like how many were on the first day, second day, and so on. Apart from painstakingly going through the Constituent badge list ... maybe someone knows how to automate that process and produce a nice graph.

@SQB, I seem to recall you have some Data.SE-fu?

Sure. But are election votes in there?

You'd probably have to do it from the csv files

@SQB Constituent badges are.

The badge is awarded around the same time as the person votes, so it's close enough.

Dunno what data is in there

Ah, yes, that's a good one.

Y'all want to be a bit careful - any profiles that are deleted won't be counted.

There's not likely a ton of them, but there are some.

@Catija Vote for me or do a redesign for the site ;P

... threatening the person who awards diamonds probably isn't the way you want to go here? :P

True

:D

well, 100% of the times I've threatened a CM during an election I was elected :D (* disclaimer: sample size may represent misleading statistics *)

@Catija Oh right, there's probably quite a number of people who voted in the last SFF election but later deleted their accounts. Not just the two ex-mods that everyone knows about, there were a bunch of lower-rep users at the end of that election, and I remember a few highish-rep users who've quit in the last five years.

@Randal'Thor Regardless, the numbers you get from the badges will be a lower bound, which is fine, I think.

Hmm, does the number shown on the election page change when profiles are deleted? Or is it static once the election ends?

That'd give us an exact number for how many people voted and later deleted their profiles.

588 on election page, badge count 568

I... don't know. The file you download is not static, though, so if you download the CSV with the votes and it's the same, then the number isn't static, either.

@Catija The only thing I can threaten you with is a good time!

@Randal'Thor data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423133/mod-votes-by-date

Filtered to year

data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423137/mod-votes-by-date

Thanks for beating me to it @SQB cos I was starting to struggle there :P

What a pair of helpful fellows we have here. Someone should, like, give them votes or something.

... should I investigate you for suspicious votes, @Randal'Thor :P

@Skooba :D I do like scuba - but I'm not sure there's a correlation.

@Catija No, I haven't voted.

(^ my sock, if anyone doesn't know him)

I was trying to figure out why some rando was responding to my message to Rand.

@Randal'Thor GASP!

Not a rando. I'm the rand, he's the o.

Parameterised for fun: data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423140/…

Needs more graphs.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's an easy way to put them on the same axes.

@Catija yes, direct. Scuba Steve was a moniker I earned in high school, but the was too common to make a cool online handle

@Skooba Nice! :D I haven't gone out since we had kids (oldest is only four) but I'm really hoping to get back to diving at some point. It was really nice.

@Catija data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423141/…

You can do that but it's not exactly readable

@The @SQB Is it easy to get hourly figures and make a graph out of them?

You need a way to ignore the time between elections.

I remember someone was doing that for an SO election's primary, tracking the number of votes for each candidate hour by hour through the primary phase and putting them all on a graph.

I wonder if there's a way to assign dates as the first day of the election and then through the 8th (9th?) day and then stack the elections on top of each other.

Was interesting to see the surges when particular parts of the world woke up.

@Catija 2016 complicates that, since there were only 4 or 5 days of election voting.

Eh, that's OK.

And for some reason 2012 is only showing one day. (Was the Constituent badge only created later and they were all awarded at once, or did everyone really vote in the first day?)

@Randal'Thor Not too hard, except that my internet has crapped out again.

I'm now on my phone.

Yeah, first election's badges awarded on 8 Jun '12 even though the election ended on 7 Feb '12. So forget the 2012 data.

data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423146/…

That shows you over time but not really readable, probably need to collapse them into the hours

Nice.

So basically the election's probably already decided, unless the small number of votes over the next days will tip any balances.

Ah, that's likely each time the badge award script runs.

Catija can just tell us who's won :-P

Catija doesn't have an easy way to peek at the votes, so you'll just have to wait.

:-D

Catija doesn't generally speak of herself in the third person but it seemed appropriate here.

@ibid fail! You're at the top.

It seems to randomly sort them

Yep.

@Randal'Thor zoom, enhance. Find out who rand voted for!

@Randal'Thor whelp, it has been nice knowing you all, because clearly the universe will now begin to unravel!

I don't blur data. I just put it all in a black box like Schrodinger.

Who knows if you even voted

@TheLethalCarrot he has 3 constituents, so yup

The badges. The badges always know.

You both have to ruin it don’t ya?

Ruining things is a mod's job :-(

@TheLethalCarrot I'm sorry I thought that was what was trying to be done with a queries and what not.

@Randal'Thor well I am the perfect choice then. Most of my life in is ruins already!

That's what happens when you words out of sentences too much.

@Randal'Thor I was supposed to jokingly ask my [not yet then] wife "will you not marry me"

"I do not want kids"

"I will not accept that job offer"

"do not press the big red button"

"I am Groot"

Good thing you're not in the army.

"do not fire!"

all my command would need to be verbal

I don't miss words when I speak.

its an issue between the brain and the keyboard

a possible ID-10-T error

@Skooba Pebbak?

@Skooba I10TT?

@Randal'Thor and here we have another picture for you.... rofl

@Randal'Thor Uh-oh.

@Catija I stand by the one true voting system: the more a candidate supports radical pizza on pineapple, the more votes they deserve

Why is pizza on pineapple "radical". I tend to throw things like broccoli in that category, not a legitimate pizza topping that most (American-style) pizzerias consider "normal". :P

Broccoli on pineapple?

Nonono, not pineapple on pizza, pizza on pineapple :P

You get a slice of pineapple, put a small, raw pizza on it and stick it into the oven

Or you just use the pineapple as the dough.

Like a pizza bagel.

Ooh, that sounds (•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■) radical :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing hawaiian pizza is my fave

@Catija peas and mayo?

Unfortunately, pineapple doesn't do great if it cooks too long, which means using a pizza with crust would probably cause the pineapple slice to fall apart before the dough ever cooked through.

Unpopular opinion, but mayo is a devil's creation

We used to grill pineapple slices all the time, and they're delicious... just have to be careful about cooking them too long.

@Catija A pineapple upside down cake, with a sweet tomato and cheese topping could be nice

@Skooba On pizza? That's a bit odd... on a turkey sandwich the day after Thanksgiving, delish!

@Catija I believe at least a semi-famous person tweeted a picture of a peas and mayo pizza and it spawned the meme saying "pineapple and non-pineapple eaters we have a common enemy"

@cairdcoinheringaahing only because its competitor is Miracle Whip

@Skooba Wasn't that a Kardashian?

@Skooba *gags*

@Skooba Miracle Whip is the true evil - and I say that as a Texan.

@Skooba Ewww. Yeah, that sounds gross.

I'm glad we don't get Miracle Whip here in the UK

no but you love "brown sauce"

Never had that tbh

Still better than Marmite

the bane of all steaks

Mushy peas, though... love those.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Dunno why you'd say that; I had a lovely time in County Mayo.

marmite or vegemite!?

@Catija If you've never had an apricot jam and Marmite sandwich, you're missing out :P

Not sure about the tinned ones, though.

@Skooba HP sauce sounds like it could be on-topic for SFF.

@Skooba Yes? Which one is the stuff that's left over from beer brewing?

@Catija They're pretty similar, just marmite is the British version and vegemite is the Australian version.

@Catija oh i dunno, i thought they were the same thing. my loves the stuff

There he goes missing words again ...

*wife

@Skooba They're not the same thing, but they're similar

"here I go killing [the english language] again"

New Zealand calls its version marmite, but it's again slightly different from British marmite.

@Randal'Thor HAHA I see.

@Skooba I've never had vegemite.

But I like marmite.

Anyway, now that my Internet's back and having eaten in the meantime, here's a rolled up version.

data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1423133/mod-votes-by-date

@SQB Marmite lovers get my vote.

I'm just going to go get something to wash my mouth out with and pretend I didn't read all that.

Also

@cairdcoinheringaahing I hate mayo, agree with you there

@TheLethalCarrot No mayo on sausage? No mayo on chips? Let me guess, you don't even like potato salad?! :)

What about Flemish mayonaise, though?

I can’t stand the stuff. Even the smell of mayo, ugh

@TheLethalCarrot *moves TLC to be my #1 candidate* :P

:P

The main downside is of course that you can’t buy any pre packaged sandwich

Or burger, without having to explicitly say "No mayo"

True, even worse for me because I’m not a big sauce fan in general

or you say no mayo and they bring literally just the burger in the bun without any salad or anything else

Try being vegetarian in ... most mainland European countries.

I got a "vegetarian burger" in France once; it was just a bun and salad without the burger.

Haha

my wife is a veggie. We don’t have it too bad but a lot of the food is just the same stuff with a tiny spin on it so she gets bored of what to eat a lot

thats the trouble I have with my diet, there are only so many vegetables that I enjoy and lettuce is practically all the same.

and thats even with throwing some chicken or turkey or ham and different dressings

its so weird i can eat bad food for years but good food after a month and I'm sick of it

@Randal'Thor So you're saying that if you also can't have bread, it's basically just a salad.

just last week i was eating my salad for lunch and got nauseated.

but throw me fast food burgers every day and im good

Does tartar sauce count as mayo or does the relish make it different?

I’m not a fan of coleslaw either which is probably in the same ballpark as tartar

Depends... lots of coleslaw (in the US, anyway) is vinegar-based.

As mentioned though I’m not really a big sauce fan in general. I’m the person that asks for things “dry”

like your humor?

@TheLethalCarrot I'll have a dry martini.

@TheLethalCarrot Agreed, I can't stand it when they put mustard in my martini

Well I set you all up there apparently haha

@TheLethalCarrot "Your glass of water, sir."

@Skooba That's the best kind. Although it does have an annoying tendency to go over people's heads if you deadpan it enough.

@Mithical not me though, my reflexes are too fast, I would catch it

I didn't see you there! You must've been standing incredibly still.

I have mastered it

@Randal'Thor Oh, now I understand ... @SQB earned Sportsmanship on meta, which won't affect the candidate score.

I saw it on his profile and didn't realise it was the meta profile.

Was worried for a while about candidate scores caching.

@RandAlThor You're chatting at yourself?

@Randal'Thor works pretty well in NL

@Randal'Thor ah, that clears it up.

@Randal'Thor remind me tomorrow of the hourly graph, please.

Just popping in to say that I've voted in a lot of Stack Exchange elections, and this is one of the most solid slates of experienced candidates I can recall seeing in a very long while. Congrats!

O_O

I thought that name was familiar ... @WBT I voted for you in the English Language & Usage election some years ago :-)