Words and colors

Redwolf Programs

20:42

Functional is a very purple word, but functional programming itself is more of a brown

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah my brother had a question about synesthesia (forget why we were talking about it) so figured i'd ask you if you don't mind: if i misspell a word, like "kut" for "cut", what happens?

@RedwolfPrograms oh so multiple words that have a meaning grouped up will all color together?

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino That's actually really interesting

'cut' is a different color from 'kut'

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms what about "concentric" itself?

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Are any two different words exactly the same colour?

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl Doesn't have much of a color. I'd say green if anything, but not the green in that picture.

@Adám I think some programming keywords are the same color of purple, because I'm so used to seeing them in that color

Wezl

20:46

:D my green is special, with extra yellow (#350/#85A)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms How did you find out you had synesthesia?

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Oh. If you don't mind, how about variant spellings? color/colour, grey/gray (btw, do colour words have the right colour?)

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not sure, I'd heard about it before but I guess one day I just realized I had it :p

@Adám There's sort of a difference between the color of the word's spelling and the idea behind the word, if that makes sense. Red as a word is a mix of red, yellow, and brown I think, but red (the idea) is definitely red.

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh, so maybe you're better equipped at that challenge where you have to read a bunch of colour words written in mismatching colour:

Delfad0r

@Adám I think not being a native English speaker also helps a lot ^^

Redwolf Programs

20:56

@Adám Is it supposed to be hard to read them? The differing colors don't distract me at all.

hyper-neutrino

are you reading the words or the colors of the words

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms That's what I suspected.

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Like for the first one, I see the color white, but I think the color green.

hyper-neutrino

wait was the challenge to read the words or recite the colors ignoring the letters

i feel like it's the latter

Adám

Both are challenges. Just tested my wife (who is not a native English speaker) and it was much easier for her to recite the words than the colours.

Delfad0r

20:59

@hyper-neutrino And there I was, finally convinced that I was a genius :(

caird coinheringaahing

I find it much easier to read the words, and I am a native speaker

Saying the colors out loud is a challenge

Redwolf Programs

I can do both without too much trouble, reading them is a bit easier though.

hyper-neutrino

i find reading the words pretty easy. reciting the colors is significantly harder and takes me a while per word

Wezl

^

hyper-neutrino

though switching over to saying them out loud in mandarin seems to make me a bit faster

caird coinheringaahing

21:01

Huh, trying it in German, it's easier than in english

hyper-neutrino

never mind, it's not too noticeable of a difference

Redwolf Programs

I don't think the synesthesia has too much of an effect, actually

hyper-neutrino

close to 20s for each, so too much error to say which is easier, and by now i probably have memorized chunks of the pattern

Redwolf Programs

Oh, 20s?

Maybe it does make a big difference then, I was still stuttering a bit on most of them but it was never more than a second or two

hyper-neutrino

uh

i mean 20s total for each language

Redwolf Programs

21:03

Oh uh...oops

hyper-neutrino

20s for each would be... considerably different

Redwolf Programs

I'm a...fast reader? (looks around quickly)

hyper-neutrino

how long total does it take you

Redwolf Programs

Seems like about 20s yeah

hyper-neutrino

okay

Redwolf Programs

21:04

lol

Adám

Easier to recite the colours now?

user

This becomes a whole lot easier if you just blur your eyes :P

hyper-neutrino

@Adám yeah, that goes down to about 13.5s for me lmao

cuz i no longer have to actively think about what the color is said as, i can just look at the color and immediately think of what to say

Redwolf Programs

I messed up about as often lol, maybe I'm just not very good at colors

Adám

I feel like there's a sales pitch here for APL, where you don't have to go via words to connect what you see to the meaning.

rak1507

21:09

@Adám there's always a sales pitch for APL ;)

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms Hi I'm hyper-neutrino's brother and I have a "few" questions about synesthesia I was hoping i could ask you

Mostly about language but I might think of other ones

Redwolf Programs

Sure, go ahead

Adám

@hyper-neutrino You can see what it does. No need to engage the linguistic part of the brain.

hyper-neutrino

well, you'd have to know that ⌽ is reverse

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms first question is do you speak any other languages, and if so, how do you see the words in that situation

Wezl

21:12

@hyper-neutrino whereas in Jq.... :)

hyper-neutrino

lambda x:x[::-1]==[-y for y in x] in python

Xoniterfos

like let's say in french, would a word with the same meaning as in english have the same color

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Yes, but once you've been told, you can't forget, especially if you also learn that ⍉ is transpose and ⊖ is flip upside down.

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos I do know a little bit of Spanish, and the words look mostly the same, since for me their colors are mostly based off the letters in them

hyper-neutrino

@Adám oh that makes a lot of sense. okay yeah now i'm not forgetting that. :)

Redwolf Programs

21:13

The same as in the spelling, not the meaning

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms what about if you see a character in (let's say) chinese and you don't know what it means

would it have a color

Adám

@Wezl What does - mean?

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos Probably not, although if I saw it a lot I might start to associate it with one

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Ah, that's really interesting.

So the colour association is somehow tied to there being a significance to the shape.

Wezl

@Adám the same thing it means in APL :), except for the . on one side makes it explicitly infix

Xoniterfos

21:15

@RedwolfPrograms ok so let's say you see this character 五 (hopefully you don't know what it means) i'll assume it doesn't have a color

Redwolf Programs

Nope, no color

Xoniterfos

ok so then if i tell you that it means five (which it does) what happens in that case

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Not to bombard you with questions, but do letters have color when by themselves?

hyper-neutrino

@Wezl wait so would mapping by - be ambiguous since it could be the infix or prefix negative

Adám

@Wezl But you wouldn't know if you didn't learn the meaning of the symbol. It doesn't really allude to subtraction in any way (it is actually a stylised m → ~ → -)

Redwolf Programs

21:16

@Xoniterfos I still don't see the character as five's color, but when I see it I think "five" so I think of that color

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yep, more strongly than words. For a lot of words the color is just like an average of the letters' colors.

hyper-neutrino

is A red? for no reason in particular

Redwolf Programs

Yes

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms You should arrange an "I have synesthesia AMA"!

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms what about if you see a mess of letters? would you see the letters individually as their colors or would the entire "word" be assigned a color

hyper-neutrino

okay. just trying to decode the information i'm getting from the hivemind

Wezl

21:18

@Adám that's because it's an inferior language. It'll be negate in (one of the) one(s) I'm making :)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms The "Scream very loudly" challenge has an extra meaning then :P

hyper-neutrino

(jokes aside i heard from someone with the same class of synesthesia that A=red is very common apparently)

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos Sort of both, if that makes sense. Like afdafadaffda is reddish because of all of the as, but the ds are still the color of d if I focus on them.

Adám

@Wezl I think you'll find that words are actually detrimental to the ability to reason about code.

Wezl

personally I disagree

hyper-neutrino

21:19

I for one find that inferring where arguments go and how values move around the code can be very confusing

ngn

@RedwolfPrograms do you actually see the letter itself in red? or is it something more abstract?

hyper-neutrino

as such, Funciton is clearly the best language

Adám

@Wezl "two times three to the power of five" vs 2×3⁵?

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms do letters' individual colors have any discernible influence on words? like would the word "at" be the combination of red and whatever color you see t as

Redwolf Programs

@ngn It's more like the idea of the letter is red, if that makes sense. Like when you think about red, you sort of see it in your mind (I think), it's like that

rak1507

21:20

@Adám 2*3^5

Adám

@rak1507 2×3*5

rak1507

both equally fine

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos Yes, for most words the colors of the letters basically determine the word's overall color for me

Some of them like function have their own distinct colors though

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Do punctuation symbols have colours too?

Wezl

@Adám lot's of useless things there: "to the" "of". I'm not arguing for English in any way :P

Redwolf Programs

21:21

@Adám Not really, no. Question marks are sort of purple though I think.

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Wait, that means you can can do fairly heavy computations instantly!

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms what about like a really similar word in a different language such as "fonction" (in french)

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos Different color, although if I knew it meant the same thing I might start to associate it with that same color.

It changes a bit over time

hyper-neutrino

CMC: golf a sequence of characters that redwolf sees as a rainbow

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms what about this work of art: ‽

Redwolf Programs

21:25

@Xoniterfos Still purple I think

It's not a super strong association like a and red though

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms also i know you said "not really" about punctuation but if you see periods with a certain color, would you see . and "period" as the same color

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos No, probably not.

Xoniterfos

second last question: do words have to be in one piece to have a color associated, or if i say " f u n c t i on" will it still have the same color

Redwolf Programs

(to previous question) I think if I did associate . with a color it'd be something like black or gray, whereas "period" or "dot" are a bit more colorful

Xoniterfos

and final question: does the "on" in "function" have its own color if you focus on just seeing the word "on", or is it interrupted by the rest of the word "function" being there

Redwolf Programs

21:28

@Xoniterfos Since it's less about me seeing the word and more about me subconciously associating it with the color, it still has that color

If I focus on the "on" it is a bluish color though

Xoniterfos

ah ok that kind of answers my last question too then

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms do members of your hivemind also see colors in words, or do they have to query the Redwolf API, or is this not a public-facing method?

caird coinheringaahing

I'm not sure why @Xoniterfos is asking all this, as part of the hivemind he should just know :P

@hyper-neutrino Have you explained the hivemind to your brother?

hyper-neutrino

not at all :D

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino They can query the Redwolf API, although it uses a custom protocol that involves SE chat :p

caird coinheringaahing

21:30

Even better :P

Xoniterfos

he wouldn't need to explain it to me if i was part of the hivemind

caird coinheringaahing

good point :P

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah what would you say is the ugliest color you've seen @RedwolfPrograms (though i guess this can also apply to the rest of y'all unless you're fully colorblind)

Xoniterfos

ugliest color i've seen is your eye color

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Umbridge pink

Adám

21:31

@RedwolfPrograms Do you also get a colour association if you imagine a word? How about if you imagine a thing (not the word for it)?

hyper-neutrino

also do words like walk and walking look similar

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino e, which is a sort of murky yellow

hyper-neutrino

the most common letter being the ugliest? wow that's unfortunate

Redwolf Programs

@Adám First one yes, but not second

@hyper-neutrino I know, it's awful

If you look at stuff I write, you can actually see very conscious effort to avoid e :p

hyper-neutrino

from now on i will call you r*dwolf programs /s

Adám

21:33

@RedwolfPrograms Are uppercase letters coloured like their lowercase equivalents?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Have you ever read Gadsby?

Xoniterfos

what color do you see the word "wolf" as, and would it happen to be red

Redwolf Programs

@Adám I think so yes

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms How about ə ? Is it murky yellow too?

Xoniterfos

no it's upside down yellow

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Redwolf Programs

21:34

@Xoniterfos Not really much of a color actually

wolf, not ə

ə is still yellow

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms What colour is "p"?

Redwolf Programs

I'm actually good at talking without using that word thing (fifth word thing, you know what I'm talking about)

Xoniterfos

my 9 year old self has wanted to ask this for years

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Do you know the subreddit about that? :P

Xoniterfos

what is your favorite color of the alphabet

Redwolf Programs

21:35

@Adám One of the less colored letters, maybe blue or brown?

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms What colour is "d"?

hyper-neutrino

@Xoniterfos yooo finally a case where this makes sense. poggers

Redwolf Programs

@Xoniterfos f or w, purple :p (not my favorite color-color, but my favorite alphabet-color :p)

@Adám Context dependent, purple or brown

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms that sounds difficult, I don't think my vocabulary is apt for writing long strings of words without that particular symbol

Xoniterfos

ok actual last question now; what color do you see words that don't have an actual definition but have a meaning (such as poggers)

hyper-neutrino

21:36

it might be easier for redwolf to just write out the colors of each of the letters / ascii characters, lmao.

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms How do you know it wasn't an upside down "p"?

Xoniterfos

@hyper-neutrino no i think we need to ask him each one in an arbitrary order

hyper-neutrino

i just noticed adam had a specific reason for those two letters though :P

Xoniterfos

:d

Redwolf Programs

@Adám I read it as a "d", so I thought of "d"'s colors.

hyper-neutrino

21:37

also what effects do diacritics have

Redwolf Programs

Not really any, ~ on its own is green though :p

Adám

I'd guess they are rather colour-less like punctuation.

Yay, called it.

Yeah, I think we simply need you to write up that ASCII→colour table.

rak1507

what colour is
 k[j]←-(k[r[j]]=0)∨0@({⊃⌽⍵}⌸p[j])⊢(t[j]=1)∨(t[j]=2)∧k[j]=4 ⋄ t[j]←2

Adám

Oh me. That's some seriously pornographic APL right there.

rak1507

@Adám co-dfns

caird coinheringaahing

21:41

@RedwolfPrograms Challenge idea: given a printable ascii string, output it but each letter is colored (ANSI escapes, whatever) according to your synesthesia

Xoniterfos

:d

Redwolf Programs

gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

Xoniterfos

@RedwolfPrograms sick thanks

hyper-neutrino

gotta go now. thank you for answering my questions r*dwolf :P

Redwolf Programs

No problem, just wait 'til you hear how I see music :p

user

21:42

@RedwolfPrograms Does the color of a word mostly depend on its first letter?

Redwolf Programs

Quite often yes, actually

hyper-neutrino

wait your synesthesia also affects hearing? oh boy. maybe it's about time we make an AMA room for your synesthesia lmao

this whole conversation is so off-topic but it's too late to move it now. if i try SE chat might just crash

user

Do it

Redwolf Programs

We can make a room I guess

Xoniterfos

apparently yellow is the most common color for that letter

caird coinheringaahing

21:43

I was just considering doing that :P

hyper-neutrino

i mean, if you're interested in answering even more questions. lmao

user

@Xoniterfos You just us*d that l*tt*r

rak1507

youtube.com/watch?v=EA53UMx7dHY @RedwolfPrograms what colour is this

Xoniterfos

according to this aesthetically horrible website web.mit.edu/synesthesia/www/trends.html

user

@Xoniterfos Oh god, that background

Redwolf Programs

21:45

Apparently my colors for O and U are uncommon (blue and golden brown)

caird coinheringaahing

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hyper-neutrino

only 143? that is not as many as i thought

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms What colour is Jvppv?

user

First of all, I just want to thank whoever used American English to name this room

Redwolf Programs

21:48

@Adám Four dimensional

Adám

Huh?

caird coinheringaahing

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Redwolf Programs

I have no idea lol, but I did think of a hypercube. Probably unrelated.

Wezl

@hyper-neutrino I hav obligd myslf

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Can you actually spot a 4D form in your mind?

Redwolf Programs

21:50

Only rectanglular prisms :p

rak1507

A musician from country of croissants also had this condition. Do colours show in his music for you? youtube.com/watch?v=EA53UMx7dHY @RedwolfPrograms

Writing without fifth symbol is hard.

user

> youtub*

rak1507

lol

Adám

@rak1507 But so worth it.

rak1507

@Adám It is

user

21:51

@user ^ You forgot to avoid that which must not ... be typed. Gah, I give up

Redwolf Programs

The colors of consonants for me are quite unique it seems

Adám

@user must not show up in writing.

user

Ah, thanks!

Redwolf Programs

Seeing those letters listed beside other colors (like yellow for Q or S) feels so wrong lol

user

@RedwolfPrograms Art thou a masochist?

caird coinheringaahing

21:54

@user I don't know how to spell Synesthesia, I've just been copy-pasting it from whenever someone else says it :P

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 Nope, nothing particularly synesthesia-like about that music imo

Adám

What colour is "sassy"?

user

@user Thou hast nam'd that which must not show up in this room

rak1507

This constraint is tough, practically most words in our vocabulary contain it, practicing avoiding it is stimulating my brain.

Redwolf Programs

@Adám Weird mix of red and green

rak1507

21:54

@RedwolfPrograms huh, fascinating

Redwolf Programs

I see music more as shapes rather than colors

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms I thought it'd have fun colour.

user

@RedwolfPrograms 1D, 2D or 3D forms?

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Additionally, an RO who is not caird is using that glyph

Redwolf Programs

@user Typically 2d, with lots of lines

Very complex or with swirls often

Sometimes sharper turns

rak1507

21:56

youtube.com/watch?v=iBRTJMKyvV0&t=3419s @RedwolfPrograms how about this (you don't mind lack of consonant sound, right?)

Adám

Hm, how should I ping RP?

user

@RedwolfPrograms 1D forms wouldn't fascinate much

Wezl

@rak1507 avoid talking and it's not hard

rak1507

@Adám good point

user

@Wezl This is an optimal approach

caird coinheringaahing

21:57

@Adám Arrow at right of a chat

Adám

@RP Is "Bob" of strong bluish colour?

Redwolf Programs

Yes, although the o is much stronger of a blue than the rest

@rak1507 Looks sort of like foothills before a mountain, without the mountain. Quite boring.

caird coinheringaahing

room topic changed to Words and colors: Chat should not contain that fifth glyph (no tags)

user

Do colors vary by situation?

caird coinheringaahing

Improving :P

Redwolf Programs

21:58

@u

user

Moi?

Redwolf Programs

oops

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms boring?! it is a good part! :(

Redwolf Programs

@user If you mean the letters nearby, yes

Wezl

@user hmmm, why didst this ping Wzl ... twic?

Redwolf Programs

21:59

@rak1507 Boring 2d-shape-wise

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms fascinating

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms So chars do not assist other chars of similar colour?

Wezl

kicks U, RP, CC, HN, D

user

@Wezl idk (also, why "didst"?)

rak1507

@Wezl simply omitting a char is particularly boring

Wezl

22:01

@rak1507 I couldn't find a substitution for twic

Redwolf Programs

@Adám It's kind of complicated. I think vowels have a much stronger impact on the color than the rest, though.

user

@rak1507 I'm not as good as omitting that monstrous glyph from my vocabulary as thou art, h*nc* th* c*nsoring

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms Yup, I saw that only consonants have doubts.

rak1507

@Wezl on two occasions

Wezl

@user cuz

user

22:02

@RedwolfPrograms I meant if a keyword in a programming language differs from that same word being used in Shakespeare, or something like that

Adám

I'm slowly warming to the thought of no fifth-char.

rak1507

I am also.

Redwolf Programs

@user Potentially, not sure

user

Soon, you'll stop using all glyphs

rak1507

@user ⍥

Wezl

22:03

@rak1507 cuz my nick didst not load again so far

user

Communication will be vocal, not through chat

Adám

Tough as it is to US and UK writing.

user

@RedwolfPrograms Like if 'y' is green when it's an axis on a graph but blue otherwise

Adám

@RP Is it good for you that this room avoids fifth-chars? Soothing in a way?

Redwolf Programs

No, it reminds me more of the letter being avoided :p

user

22:06

lol

Adám

Oh no.

Wezl

it's fun though

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms So omission is bad? Inclusion of a fifth char in words is good?

Redwolf Programs

If you can do it in a good way so that nobody knows at all, that's most fun :p

user

We could stop using all but one letter by just using something like Unary

rak1507

22:08

@RedwolfPrograms It is hard!

Redwolf Programs

Not that bad, though

Wezl

funny how chromium highlights it in (about) #ff0 so I can run a RW simulater

user

@rak1507 My brain is spinning with such a finding

Redwolf Programs

You just want to know good things to say

Wezl

thrown into trash

rak1507

22:10

@RedwolfPrograms Not for an individual who was practicing!

Redwolf Programs

That's that spirit!

Fairly good, not all idioms will work

That "had" word is so annoying as a past word

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms oh, RW is joining us ("that")

Redwolf Programs

I am!

user

@Wezl As civilians of a world past would say, "lol that's curs'd"

rak1507

It hurts the brain trying to find words, but good fun.

Redwolf Programs

22:12

@W I did it for a bit prior, you just caught on?

user

Lol I'm just using DDG

Redwolf Programs

Boring :p

rak1507

@user Manual adaptation is optimal.

user

@Wezl RP now knows that it is a good way

Redwolf Programs

I just had to work on this for most of a day or so

Now I'm good at it

user

22:13

@rak1507 Manual adaptation has crappy fruits such as this

Wezl

@rak1507 you can BF words if it assists

Redwolf Programs

A good trick is to swap the thing you want to say not how you want to say it

rak1507

I am adapting, but not fully fluid.

user

I am liquid

Redwolf Programs

Adapt a big part, not a small part

Wezl

22:14

@Wezl pain is still in it though

rak1507

That is smart

Redwolf Programs

If a small part works that's okay obviously

user

@RedwolfPrograms I will put this away in my mind

Redwolf Programs

But you must think past habits from normal talking

rak1507

You can do this naturally! Wow

Redwolf Programs

22:16

I must do work, but I might join you all again in an hour or two

user

I would think that this room would dizzy a guy stumbling upon it

Redwolf Programs

If you put this in your brain too hard it can stick

Watch out

user

Lol no danger of that here

Wezl

it is a fun activity, until topic is null

user

o/

rak1507

22:17

I must go too, maths tomorrow.

Good night all

Redwolf Programs

o/

user

I too must finish my work

Wezl

ditto

Adám

I must go to doze but must do stuff first.

Wezl

>:O doz

Adám

22:29

Oops.

Wezl

mod can trash it :P

user

@Adám nap?

I should go back to do work, actually, but I don't particularly want to

Adám

Yup, nap.

Wezl

I don't know why I'm putting off making focaccia, as I can munch it at finish

Adám

Yummy.

I don't know why I'm putting off waking my kids up to go to toilet.

Wzl

22:34

>:O toil

user

Why cook if you can buy from a shop?

Wzl

cuz it's fun, and tasty, and not coronavirus

Adám

And good for your body.

user

What I cook is hardly good for my body :P

But it is right that you could contract covid by buying focaccia from a shop

Wzl

count of fifth glyph has shrunk! (though it grows by 1 if U talks)

lyxal

23:11

sigh not this fifth glyph avoiding stuff again

rak1507

why not?

lyxal

Discord talk of this is too much and now this

Bad char avoiding is kinda ov'rrat'd imo

hyper-neutrino

this is for darkpinkwolf programs' words and colors condition; said human finds said glpyh's color bad

lyxal

I got a fix for this

eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
e e e e e
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
e e e e e
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
eeeee
e
eeeee
e
eeeee
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
e e e e e
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
e e e e e
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
eeeee
e
eeeee
e
eeeee
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee
e e e e e
eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee eeeee

That's my opinion on fifth glyph avoiding

@RedwolfPrograms

Wzl

this is his opinion

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