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AndrewH

18:01

Thanks @Scott

Scott

No problem. I don't know why Illustrator doesn't see or create the viewbox attribute in SVG files, I just know it doesn't.

(I assume that's what you were referring to)

AndrewH

Yea, that is what I was referring to.

plainclothes

@JohnB "Please step up and do your part before questioning the actions of others" Are you serious? Do my part? I think I've been a very fair and conscientious contributor over the years.

JohnB

18:49

@plainclothes I'm in total agreement with you, which is why I was confused by your comment

plainclothes

I see ...

JohnB

when a question has that many upvotes, answers, and views, I am very reluctant to use my binding close vote on it

plainclothes

The issue for me is that I've seen a lot of valuable questions being closed lately. Mostly stuff that provides value to lots of people in our business but has been labeled "tech support" by the community members.

JohnB

if the community acts to close it, I won't go against that. But we absolutely don't decide what stays or goes for our own amusement

plainclothes

We work in a tech business so closing those seems counter productive.

Darth_Vader

18:52

@plainclothes do you have some examples?

plainclothes

Now I see this question that is clearly "opinion based" and it's left open.

Darth_Vader

if we can make some edits to the questions Im up for opening them but I try to only close questions that show no effort or are very open ended

plainclothes

I think the trend will be discouraging to new contributors.

JohnB

@plainclothes so why not cast a close vote?

Darth_Vader

@JohnB agreed

plainclothes

18:53

Because I have no problem with it.

I tend to leave questions open more often than not.

I just find it an inconsistent approach that will be discouraging.

JohnB

> It's totally speculative and, frankly, useless

that reads to me as having a problem with it

plainclothes

Yup.

I still don't have a problem with it if people want to discuss.

I take a looser approach to SE communities.

JohnB

ok, so maybe a bit of cognitive dissonance there

useless but not worthless?

plainclothes

Are we going to have a UX discussion now (^_-)

Just because I find it useless doesn't mean the community shouldn't have the opportunity to engage it.

JohnB

if you see a question get closed that you think deserves a shot or maybe can be edited/reworded to fit with the SE format, by all means bring it up in here!

plainclothes

18:55

And I apply the same perspective to the tech-centric questions.

Will do.

I've just been casting 'leave open' votes.

But I can bring it here too.

Scott

I'd need to see some examples. But I would point out, unfettered, this site will become Adobe.se

The ONLY reason the past week or two has seen more "design" questions was due to the meta conversations regarding tech support.

plainclothes

Agreed ... doesn't that reflect the unfortunate state of our business?

Scott

And the regular members posing those questions.

plainclothes

Got it. It's a good direction, to be sure.

Scott

Yes. But there has to be a line somehwere

JohnB

18:58

anyways, just for full disclosure, here was my thought process for that font question when I saw it: "Hmm, this looks like it might be close worthy, but it already has lots of views and a good answer but zero close votes. I'll leave this one for the community to decide" (it had zero close votes when I first looked at it and continued to for a while)

Scott

I can't emphatically state WHERE that line is, only that it needs to exist.

JohnB

usually if I'm on the fence like that, I leave it be for the community

plainclothes

Okay, thanks for the perspective guys.

JohnB

sorry if I came off as a bit abrasive in my comment, but the "amusement" part rubbed me the wrong way I guess

plainclothes

Sorry if my earlier comments (on the post) were inflammatory. Not my intention.

JohnB

18:59

ah, sorries all around :)

plainclothes

(^_-) me too

JohnB

no hard feelings whatsoever

plainclothes

Thanks all. I'll go kill my comments on the post. They were in the wrong place anyway.

Scott

<-- still has no clue which question was the catalyst :)

JohnB

well regardless I appreciate you sticking your neck out even when your opinion goes against the current

Q: Will typeface design ever "stop"?

This mainly refers to serif and sans serif typefaces used for everyday body text, not "wacky" display typefaces. I've been looking at a lot of typefaces today and it occurred to me that there are SO many that looks similar. Now I know I'm not a "typeface connoisseur" and that there are such subt...

Scott

19:01

Oh that...

I did vote to close that :)

DA01 has the only viable answer :)

cockypup

I am guilty of trying to post questions that are interesting and don't follow a "how do I" pattern but end up being speculative : (

JohnB

on a different note, I don't know if I've ever talked with you in chat before. So, hi @plainclothes! :P

plainclothes

Hey. Good to meet you too, @JohnB

I don't make it to chat very often.

It's enough for me to carve out time for some answers and a few reviews!

Chat could turn into a real rabbit hole for me!

JohnB

hehe, I know the feeling believe me

plainclothes

btw, what is this number under my profile pic?

JohnB

19:05

your network-wide rep count

plainclothes

It's not my rep on the main site ...

Ah ...

Weird.

JohnB

yeah, there are some chat privs that are given based on network-wide reputation

10k gets you the ability to see flags people raise on chat messages in any chat room anywhere

Scott

Not that you can act on flags.. they go by too fast.

JohnB

yeah, I just ignore the notification :)

plainclothes

Look at that, I starred a chat! SE is so damn gamified it's dizzying.

cockypup

19:07

what is the difference between a white star and a black star (as in the star icons besides the starred comments)?

JohnB

well to add to that, there will soon be a whole SE site on Gamification area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/61762/gamification

black star means "pinned", room owners can do that. It's a "sticky" message, stays there for a week or something like that

plainclothes

Everyone from UX and GD should be required to join (^_-)

JohnB

Ok, I'm off to find some electrical conduit. Have a great weekend everyone

Zach Saucier

19:21

Hey @plainclothes good to see you around

plainclothes

19:44

@ZachSaucier Thanks, @ZachSaucier (◠‿◠)

I love the immediacy of chat ... I just have too many such channels open!

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