The current title of my talk is, "Meaningful Animations: Making UX Not Suck". It's fairly accurate to what I'm talking about, but "suck" in the title isn't favorable. I don't want it to just be a completely bland title though. What do you guys think? Should I change it? Any ideas?

So does this mean i can go through all the 3D modeling questions and close them as off-topic lol

Another option for a subtitle is, "Meaningful Animations: And how to avoid terrible ones"

@Darth_Vader I'd say wait a bit

@Scott Knock knock...

@Boris_yo I don't think he's awake yet.

@RandyJones Are you replacing him?

Scott's prone to come here later today, though. He's on PST.

@RandyJones What is your expertise?

@RandyJones Pacific Central Time?

eh yeah. I'm bad with American time zone names--I'm a Euro

What's your Q?

@RandyJones It's a printing question...

try me

@RandyJones Heard of metallic ink?

yup

extra inks are usually PANTONE, and you'll have to add those as separate swatches. Contacting your printer may help, they'll probably be able to tell you a lot as well.

@Boris_yo does that help?

@RandyJones Metallic ink is extra ink? Or it's has something metallic in it?

It's an additional ink, yes. In addition to Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and blacK, you instruct your printer to add a print segment to the process, loaded with the metallic ink.

of course, that's more expensive, for the additional setup is non-standard.

check out this Q and its answers:

@RandyJones More expensive than foil?

no clue--that depends on your printer :)

I'd say ask them

@RandyJones I heard abot pantone book. Panton method is set up on codes I must provide to my printer?

yes, you can find pantone swatches in the respective swatch panels in each Adobe app. Seriously, there's lots of info on this on the main site, try a search for Pantone or PMS and eat your heart out :)

@Zach mind if I nab your brilliant theme song and copy it to my profile as well? :)

@joojaa I, for one, don't think I would want to be able to force an accept.

@RandyJones sure, go for it

tx :)

@RandyJones Usually when hang tag sample is made from die-cut and I want to change die-cut will printer have to create another die-cut even if small change?

think about that yourself: what is a die-cut? how does the paper get die-cut?

good morning all

welcome @onirix

good morning

hey all

@RandyJones From mold.

mold? I'd say a die cut is done using a die cutter, a knife in the shape of your die cut.

hey @Dom

anyone know of a way to outright kill inline css? It's driving me positively crazy

Quick question for any mods. I'm pretty sure I deleted this comment, did a mod undelete it?

Hi @RandyJones

I don't think mods can undelete comments that you deleted

yeah, there are other comments in that thread you deleted that I have no option to undelete

I really thought I deleted that while pruning. Huh :)

Was just wondering, enjoy your day all :)

you too

oh sweet its Friday..

hey Matt

plans for the weekend?

work

I should as well, but man, I'm exhausted :(

wahey

wheee! :D

@RandyJones gotta think of the bigger picture

@JohnB woot woot

@JohnB Yay!

@Darth_Vader I'm doing exactly that. My work's quality has been dropping sharply already because of a lack of sleep and relaxation and enjoyment.

so glad I had this small poster assignment. spent too much time on it compared to the money, but it I was so happy to finally do something fun again

@RandyJones I find when that happens I span the design when I feel relaxed and not exhausted but when Im exhausted and need to get work done I code

hm, for me the ideal way is exactly the other way around. When I'm exhausted I make stupid coding mistakes, and designing gives me juice

SE is considering giving access to site analytics as a higher priv tier, pretty neat meta.stackexchange.com/q/253668/216955

heh, I thought the same thing re: those colors, @Randy

yeah, it's not the finest example

just saw the A51 3D proposal by @GiantCowFilms

:D

if anyone wants to post a Community Promo ad for it on our site, I'd upvote it.

I do I do!

@GiantCowFilms I made one for the (failed) Printing proposal last year: meta.graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/a/902/8708

simple and unoriginal, but if you need ideas :P

Can I change it later?

uhhmmmmmm not sure

minor edits are probably okay but completely changing it might not be good

Alright, I'll get to work on somthign

cool, speak up if you need advice/help/critiques :)

I will when I've got somthing

Is @RandyJones vincent?

yes :)

I got that confirmed

just like Zach is Mark Mussler

@GiantCowFilms I posted a topic clarifying that the proposal is not a dupe of GD and added 5 example questions stolen from GD questions that have 0 answers

@JohnB Oh thanks

there's a group of watchful people on A51 that like to stomp out any proposal that is even the slightest bit of a dupe :p

UVd

Is it even readable?

noooo

that text on checkboard hurts my eyes :P

I knew you were going to say that

eyebleed! T_T

@JohnB It will make any 3D artists happy

hahah

Thats the famous uv test texture

I can recognize a Utah Teapot when I see one :)

;D Had to put him in

Chrome ball, class monkey, diffuse cone and a rendered teapot

What color to make that bue text

white

or give the text a background, so it doesn't overlap with the checkerboard

I'll tone the checker board down...

Much better

I'd give the bottom text some more breathing room, maybe a 5px margin

maybe split it to two lines if you want to maintain the font size

center the "3D Graphics" and Follow It button, they're off by a few pixels

Ah ha!

Some DOF will make the grid way less obnoxious

sounds like a good idea

bummer that Blender doesn't have community promo ads yet, it'd be nice to suggest it there as well

@JohnB Are we allowed to add some?

I'm sure tones of our users would jump to make 'em

you could ask but I think the answer would be no. It's a graduated site feature

Yah

you guys have the stats required to graduate, your questions per day rate is stellar. You're just a victim of other betas ahead of you in the graduation queue, site designs aren't done quickly

@JohnB We should be done by the end of the year

@JohnB What do you think now?

much more readable. What about laying the bottom out as "& Gain \ Another Dimension" or "& Gain Another \ Dimension"?

a drop shadow on the Follow It! button like you have with the text might help it stand out more

Okay

I think that is good

ah, I meant a drop shadow on the orange rectangle but on the text looks good too

It looked odd on the button

ok! No more nitpicks from me then

Alright, she is go!

Alright lets get this onto the sidebar

cool, thanks for putting the effort in

and being more original than me

:D

and putting up with my nitpicking :)

No that was good, the original one was horrid

every design starts somehwere

I wonder where else this add might apply

Game Dev?

Sure, I'll have to change the gain another dimension joke though

haha

;D

@JohnB

^^ 'Nother one

cool

Okay, I have to go now, cya

@GiantCowFilms looks a bit 1995

drives just arrived, @Scott. Now to put them to use

happy Friday!

Seariously @JohnB ? I just now got the notice of shippign this morning :)

What's up @Boris_yo ?

I slipped them a fiver to expedite

Oh I didn't :) I wasn't in a hurry :)

@Scott We were talking about printing last time.

not really :P I'm apparently only an hour away from their distribution center

I was in no hurry either and surprised they arrived so quickly

I see some reference to metallic inks above @Boris_yo

@JohnB sounds liek me and Wacom.. I always expect a week or two and get thing almost next day because they are so close.

@Scott Hang tags - have we talked about them? I wanted your take on them...

I'm not sure. I do a lot of talkign abotu a lot of things with a lot of people :)

I'm very close to NewEgg's warehouse as well which is always nice

@JohnB yeah a lot of "hubs' are in the middle eastern US :)

meetings... blah

crinkle in direct sunlight

@Scott how do you clean your keyboards?

@Darth_Vader I have to from time to time, they get gross.

oh HOW

With clorox wipes

but HOW

Just be careful not to let it get too wet

and no issues with the keys messing up? saw some where they take the keys out but dont really want to do that

I wring out any excess moisture so it's only damp.

@Scott What do you think about this?

Not as long as it's not dripping wet

ya I always ring..

@joojaa 1995!

you clean it after with some type of stuff to prevent it getting sticky?

I did lose a keyboard once due to using a wipethat was too wet. $60 mistake :)

that hangtag looks embossed, which would probably be extra costly

@JohnB huh?

the link Boris just posted

@JohnB or maybe hot-stamped with foil

I see no boris?

It looks nice @Boris_yo I think I'd opt for either a circle or the rectangle, but the cigar band shape works

yes, it looks like foil not ink

@JohnB It is supposed to be debossed... with gold foil.

Looks like foil, yes

@Boris_yo sure, hard to tell by only seeing one side

I asked printer to scan and send me hoping I will see clearer picture...

Slight misregistration at the bottom of the circle

@Scott Indeed. You know why this happens?

that is how metallic inc always looks in the mind of the client (like foil) but not the way it looks when printed. lol

The die was positioned correctly. Either the stamp die or the cutting die (Foil requires a die as well)

That's what I wanted to achieve.

@Boris_yo registration is easy to mess up, they either didn't notice during the run or didn't think it was significant enough to re-calibrate

But instead I got yellow ink?

Differnt foil. You want a brighter foild it seems like

Well, you got a yellow foil more thna a gold foil

@Boris_yo ink usually just has flecks of shiny stuff in it, you won't get the same smooth sheen from ink

@Scott Do you think I must give him some kind of color code for bright foil?

"Gold" is not a very definitive term. It can mean different things to different people. You should ask the printer for foil samples and pick the color from his samples. If you jsut say "gold" then it's up to his interpretation. Your tags could be called gold. They do appear tobe gold here, just a very yellow gold. But they don't seem to be the gold you want.

@Scott Printer told me that he is aware of misregistration of circle and this won't happen with full run. Not sure if I should ask to remake sample...

As a printer, that would just annoy me :P

The dimensions are 65mm39mm with 0.5mm thickness cardboard-like paper. You can see stroke on circle's edge. Doesn't it look too wide to you? I asked printer to reduce it from 1.5mm to 1mm and he said hang tag is too small and it will be hard to notice difference.

No I wouldn't ask for a remake of the sample. If he pointed it out and states it won't happen, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt there. But I'd also check the final run and kick it back immediately if there's misregistration.

Yes, if it's still there for the delivered product, that puts you in the position of refusing the product or at least negotiate a discount

@JohnB I also asked to increase radius of corners and width of bottom "tail" from 19mm to 21mm...

You mean the stroke on the inner circle? I think that adds a bit to the piece.

Would that mean new die-cut?

@Scott Stoke that surrounds logo.

Not sure what your'e referring to. The outer gold circle?

Yes. Sits on edges

I don't regularly deal in die cutting but yes, I assume that would require a new plate. Is there an additional plate charge for these changes?

@JohnB I will need to ask him...

I was thinking that font looks smudged too. "Inn" word.

I wonder if preparing sample was more manual work than automated.

If this is just a "sample" it will be a little less impressive than the final run. I don't think the stroke is an issue and I agree with the printer. No one but YOU will notice a 1/2mm difference.

And hoped with automated run, machine precision will be utilized with less room for error.

Samples are generally more one-off and more manual in many cases.

Especially with stamping and die cutting

@Scott The logo was filled, specifically branch. Do you think this non-filled version will look better and involve less complexity? imgur.com/a/IU1lb#IxJRvLc

I don't know that the "open" version would hold up under foil stamping

@Scott Won't hold up? Less foil... less of it looking "smudged"

notice how they modified the art on the glass, the line between the glass and the liquid is thicker

the choice to fill in the branch was probably for the same reason

detail is too small and it would look bad

'zactly With foil you can't get too intricate and small

Would this contradict branding? Branding that should stay consistent?

Would it make sense to have filled branch logo on goft box and non-filled on hang tag?

Medium plays a large roll. If the medium requires special alterations it's generally acceptable if the alterations are not that big. I think the filled leaves for the tag to allow stamping is okay. The only way around that it to avoid the foil and use an ink.

@Boris_yo The brand is still recognizable, I wouldn't see it as a problem personally

Here is reference with non-filled branch: imgur.com/a/IU1lb#qYNzprg

It was made by different printed and for package.

how does that compare in physical size?

Looks like could work?

@JohnB Compare with hang tag logo?

yeah

I would ask the printer what are the margins for miss-registration with the die cut. It is almost never accurate. If they say 1mm and the final product if off by 1.5mm, then you can reject it.

@JohnB Had I sample in my hands I would know.

that's pretty much exactly how I would have expected it to look. Some but not all of the detail is there

@JohnB You are talking about logo in link above?

yes. I think the filled look is nicer when comparing it to the hang tag

Here's 3 versions: imgur.com/a/IU1lb#rp5Q0Pq

As John points out size makes a difference. If the open foil stamped logo is larger than the hang tag logo, that may be why it was possible for that piece. Reducing the logo for the hang tag means all those little spots in the branches are going to plug up. So, filling them was most likely the best option.

You are asking a lot to maintain all that small detail in foil stamping.

@Scott You mean by getting smaller, those holes will overlap and blend with each other?

Yes. When the logo gets smaller the detail becomes smaller and it's much more difficult to foil stamp the detail.

@Scott If not logo, then would it make sense to ask for outer circle to be 0.5mm less thick? I see that the gap between logo and that circle is small...

I'd actually remove the outer circle.

It would be more inline with the other peices without it

As a side benefit, there'd be no registration issues then either.

@Scott Is it polite to ask for sample without circle?

Sure

Especially if you are planning a large production run

@Scott Large in thousands or hundreds?

well at least 4 figures or more. The larger the run the more willign the printer is going to be to work with you :)

I'd ask anyway

Even if he does get a bit bothered by it. It's YOUR brand

And any good printer is going to try and accomodate

hundreds is probably not a lot for something like this, thousands probably has their attention. Depends on what their MOQ is

I wonder if it's Pantone color code that I need to let printer know about or CMYK code in order to attain that shiny gold color.

neither

Maybe I should ask printer who printed logo on boxes to stay consistent?

Just ask him if he's got a lighter gold foil, you feel this one is too yellow

@Scott I will provide him pictures.

that's a good idea

The selection will look something like this, nothing to do with Pantone or CMYK

it wouldn't hurt to ask to see what they have available

Based on that ^^^ seems you want more of a #9

and you got a #88

@Scott Why not #88?

No reason.. but #88 is more yellow based on the chart John linked to. Just ask the printer for a lighter gold :)

#88 is matte, you want shiny

it's really okay to ask for samples of what they have. Not a sample of each color for your hang tag, but just overruns from other clients to evaluate the color in your own hands

It's actually in their best interest to do so. That way you know exactly what you're getting and are less likely to be disappointed in the finished product

Most print providers would MUCH rather answer 50 questions BEFORE a job then to run the job and then have the job rejected because something isn't right.

^^

I will ask for sample with 1mm circle, for sample without circle like @Scott pointed and make sure all come with foil I specified to printer.

good luck with it!

Never "feel bad" for asking your printer stuff. If they get annoyed or angry, they may not be a great print provider to use.

Good Luck Boris!

@Scott Cigar band shape? Would it accomodate logo?

It is currently the cigar band shape... circle inside a rectangle.

The rectangle clearly wouldn't work for your logo

I think without the outer gold circle, the current shape would look nice.

you mods are cleaning up the review queue too quickly, I don't get to vote as much :P

sorry, need to exercise my new clout :P

no problem. Clean is clean, regardless of who cleans it

I dislike the Village people names..... I keep losign track of who's who

did we gain another?

doesn't look like it.. Just me an Vincent so far

tell you what, Scott. You bounty off 500 rep to me and I'll change it back ;D

Took me 2 days to realize Mark was Zach :) But I am blond.

You CAN'T change it for 30 days :)

uh... you can have it done by a mod :)

True :)

Puddle_of_Was should know, of all puddl... people

@Scott @JohnB Thanks!

certainly

Happy to help @Boris_yo

I wish there was like a 7 day wait period for name changes rather than 30 :)

@coypup I can send you my 3.5 USB Floppy drive if you need it :) Lord knows I haven't touched it since 1993 :)

@Scott I really did get rid of all my old floppy disks : ( Thanks a lot, though! Really appreciate it.

I come from Cuba, where it is VERY humid. The floppy discs did not last more than 3 months haha

ouch!

But hey.. at least you've got those Cohibas!

cuba..

that didnt sound right..

lol

I saw that, Matt

I didn't

@scott you're a room owner, so you can check it out

Oh room owner.. I can look ! HA!

yeah I just figured that out Vincent :)

well it didnt.. but its true, wanted to know what the hype was about

They are good. It's like the difference between a $40 bottle of wine and a $5 bottle.

But of course, you have to like wine to begin with

I had a millionaire boss that was really into cigars.

He'd give them away at the holidays. That's the only way I'd even try one. I wouldn't pay for them :)

you can get them in europe and I always think about how I should have bought a case of them over there

Oh, you had the $2000 to spare :)

@RandyJones non room owners can see history too, just not deleted comments FYI

ah! thanks, fellow Villager :P

.....I have some deleting to do

you cant see a deleted chat message here if you're not a room owner

there's jut too much blue in here now... damnit!

It's conflicting with my distain for authority.

@Scott wha?? that just flew by my head

mod names are blue

Blue.... mod names :)

whoops

@Scott oh you mean overlords ;)

sheriffs

Ewoks ... Yeah I know you're all furry and dance a lot.

twirls gun in each hand

rides off in the sunset

oh joy... 3 hour meeting...

SHANE!!!!!!!

gotta go, I'm a poor lonesome cowboy

See ya Vincent

later cowboy

have a good weekend, all!

see ya @Randy

have a good weekend

nope, to a birthday

Welcome @Andrew

Hello all

What do you work doing? Photography?

I dabble in it all at work. Work on the website, creating new promotional material, videos, photography (sometimes).

I work for a healthcare place, don't do much freelance.

Cool

I'm the main web guy here, though still in school

@Scott yup. that was another floppy killer: ash

Hi @AndrewH I'm nobody :)

@Darth_Vader or you can go to Cuba and buy them for 10th of their price haha

NOW.. sure @cockypup but not even 1 year ago :)

true. BTW now that you guys can go directly to Cuba, nobody will ever flight here (Toronto) from the states haha

People were going to Toronto already???? :)

hahaha, just to go through Canada to get to Cuba

Hi nobody

I imagine all the USA border officers frowning when the tourists returned: sure, sure you got a tan and bought a painting of Havana in Toronto.