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10:07 AM
@curious Thanks :)
 
 
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2:17 PM
hey @WELZ, whatcha up to?
 
Nothing much, just lurking. :D
 
awesome activity, no? ;)
 
2:37 PM
I do that all the time :P
 
2:50 PM
says the mod
 
I'm just sort of staring blankly at the screen this morning lol
That was one hell of a weekend
@Vincent are you taroting?
 
I wish I were
my planning's rather full with more... commercial activities
I have been exploring some sketches for the next one, but I'm not happy with my current ideas
@curious nothing bad I hope? How come?
 
@Vincent I'm assuming it's not something you can post to Looking Glass?
 
I could. but then I'd have to divulge the big secret that I suck at early pencil sketches 'X)
 
@Vincent It'll get better, little one got shots last week but also had something else on top (roseola, which is unexained fever/crabbiness for a few days which ends with a skin eruption and that's when you know it's roseola)
I woke up wanting a shot of something strong lol
 
2:56 PM
oof
crabbiness... gotta love that word :)
 
@Vincent I'm not great at drawing either so you won't get judged by me :)
I know right, crabs are like the grumpiest looking things
 
and besides, I'm more stuck at the concept stage
I'm just not happy with the concepts I have, within the boundaries I've set for the project
 
When my daughter was 2yo, she kept asking to listen to "the crab" and I tried thinking of all the nursery rhymes and couldn't think of a crab one
then one day it hit me, she was reffering to "The fat of the land" album by Prodigy O_o
so much for nursery rhymes
 
Don't know that album but lol :D
 
@Vincent when are you presenting?
@Vincent Specifically this song
(and the album cover) :P
 
3:03 PM
@curious lol
aaah now I get it
awseome pic
I am a huge believer in the adage restrictions breed creativity by Mark Rosewater
so I've set myself some restrictions for the project. Resolution and palette, of course
 
@Vincent Don't know this specific person but I agree with the statement
@Vincent Well, maybe the restrictions are not aligned with the objectives of the project?
 
but I also want to buck the trend of tarot designs usually having a very mystic, classic, fantasy-ish style
Maybe. But I'm not about to give up :)
 
oh it's related to the tarot cards
 
If I did the first five in this style and with these restrictions, I feel I should finish them in it
 
I thought you meant your commercial endeavors :)
 
3:06 PM
oh lol no
fortunately
If I were as stuck with a commercial project as I am with this one, I'd be in deep excrement
 
so what's getting in the way? how are the restrictions currently working against you?
 
the most important one I'm running against is the restriction 'modern imagery'.
 
@Vincent yea that's what I was understanding so I was going to offer another set of eyeballs if you needed :)
@Vincent The symbols you are using?
 
I'm having a hard time finding good concepts that still really relate to what the tarot stands for
 
or at least, breaking away from the typical tarot symbolism
 
3:08 PM
I do want to have a good correlation to the card's significance and the image
yup, that. every schmuck can draw a skull or a skeleton for 'XII: Death', but I want something modern that clearly signifies 'permanent transformation'
 
@Vincent Is there one you're stuck on specifically?
 
all but one of them XD
 
@Vincent transgenderism?
 
oh yeah, other restriction: no people
I suck at drawing them ;)
 
@Vincent so every schmuck can draw a skeleton, but not one with muscles and skin on it ;)
 
3:11 PM
:P
 
a big fat cocoon
 
yeah, butterfly / cocoon did cross my mind
 
drugs :P
(like lots of them)
 
as in the illegal, hedonistic stuff?
 
suitcase
(not the font manager, but the thing you bring on travels) :P
 
3:13 PM
it's an idea. it's a bit against the trend that the 'death' transformation is usually read as positive
hehe
'leaving is dying a bit'?
hm. I love that one
 
it depends on your destination :)
Flight 666? x)
 
also, the imagery of packing a suitcase reminds me of breaking an unhealthy realtionship
and travel does permanently change you
 
Yup
Do you have another one for me? :P
 
I'll write that one down, it's a good one
 
No need to credit me, I'll just take a copy of the set once you're done printing them :D
 
3:15 PM
Be prepared to wai 25 years at the current pace XD
 
I'm patient :)
 
Uh.... 'XII: the Hanged Man' - symbolises self-sacrifice
 
Motherhood? :P
 
I was thinking of either a fireman's helmet or a single, extracted kidney
@curious ouch.
 
@Vincent Sorry, still recovering from the weekend x)
oh like a more hardcore type of self-sacrifice x)
 
3:17 PM
np. Oh, I'm really for subverting role models and all. If I can make the 'strength' one (signifies, well, strength, courage and patience) something explicitly female, I'd be delighted
 
@Vincent That would work too, and more positive :)
 
but how to express motherhood in just 70 x 120 and in only two tones? :)
 
@Vincent frame on the belly? could be post-birth too
 
thanks for helping me think about this. I really want this project to get unstuck
 
Pasting this here to help me think :P "He is hanging upside-down, viewing the world from a completely different perspective, and his facial expression is calm and serene, suggesting that he is in this hanging position by his own choice."
@Vincent I need a break from my thesis, this is fun :P
 
3:21 PM
ah the hanged man yes
I wrote down the 'pregnancy' concept for Strength. I like it.
'completely different perspective' thinks
 
@Vincent I have one thought I can't shake but it's the opposite...the idea of echo chambers on social media
 
hm. maybe 'pregnancy' is more fitting for III: the Empress (fertility, mystery, intuition, creativity)
 
@Vincent RE III: drugs? :P
 
lol
you have a one-track mind :P
 
@Vincent sometimes x)
I just think drugs somewhere would work well with the set lol
 
3:24 PM
It is something that I would be able to draw... Let's see what arcana fits best.
I'd say XVI: the Tower (disaster, hubris)
 
You could also go about this in reverse, like think of modern phenomenon and see if they fit a card
@Vincent Tower...pollution? a big tower made of a plastic bottle?
 
sounds good. If the concept doesn't fit a Major Arcana I can always store it for when I do the Minor ones. After I retire :P
@curious as in a very low frog perspective of a plastic bottle? Hmmm..
another thing I'm trying to with the series is unexpected perspectives and light play
the Hermit was a real challenge to get the light right
 
@Vincent Is that the shack one with the cat?
 
Re hangman: couldn't it be something sort of Matrix-ey
Like someone who is in one of the glass chambers but awake
or the blue/red pills
 
3:33 PM
the blue / brown pills :P
 
@Vincent Well it could be something like tossing the blue pill
or you just show the blue pill
which could suggest the red was swallowed :P
if you can make it obvious another pill is missing
 
well... a pair of glasses reflecting two hands, with one of them holding the blue pill
If that'd fit in 70 pixels wide :D
 
"Douglas Hofstadter's book Gödel, Escher, Bach features a pair of characters who "push-into" and "pop-out of" the two-dimensional world of Escher prints. "
I love that book
 
flatland?
 
something coming out of an escher like mosaic
do you have a restriction on flatness? :)
 
3:36 PM
that;d be more like XX: Judgement
(rebirth, absolution)
you're good at this
yeah I don't want to go into voxels
pixels are hard enough for me as is
 
ouch!
 
Persistence is key! x)
and a hard head
 
I'll do some more mulling. If you need any thesis break, just hit me up ;)
 
@Vincent Anytime!
I would keep going if you have more for me x)
 
3:47 PM
@curious I'd feel guilty towards your thesis :P
 
@Vincent But my mental health needs a break :D
 
well, then here you go:
IV: Emperor -- signifies Fatherdom, power and authority
V: the Hierophant (group identity, conformity)
 
Hi folks!
 
o/
 
@Vincent I looked up The Hierophant on Wikipedia. I can't really recognize your description ...
 
4:02 PM
Oh that's very possible. I'm basing my (very shorthand) descriptions on a booklet in the Art Nouveau tarot deck I own, and those are very... condensed
 
I was interested in tarot a couple of months ago actually. Tried to understand all the cards, but found many (to me) contradicting explanations.
 
yeah, that sounds familiar
I got really interested in tarot motifs by playing the Persona series of video games
they really line up lots of NPCs you can interact with according to the Major Arcana
 
Oh.
 
but yeah, according to what I read in that wiki article and what I know from Persona, I'd say Hierophant is 'balance from wisdom through experience'
 
It's quit some job to make a new interpretation of the motifs.
 
4:05 PM
which is conveniently abstract and absolutely depictable in 70 x 120 XD
that's why this is a multiple-year project ;)
 
Haha. I was taking the "Pope" motif more literally. It could be a "techno pope" of some sort.
If you perhaps have read Moebius comics?
 
unfo, no
 
4:23 PM
Hierophant "In many modern packs, the Hierophant is represented with his right hand raised in what is known esoterically as the blessing or benediction, with two fingers pointing skyward and two pointing down, thus forming a bridge between Heaven and Earth" SpaceX?
Techno pope = Elon Musk? :P
 
In the John Difool series by Moebius/Jodorowsky technology is is monopolized by a cult lead by the Techno Pope. Basically Mark Zuckerberg/Elon Musk with cooler outfit.
@curious Haha, exactly!
 
@Wolff I thought of Zuckerberg too lol
 
@curious SpaceX is quite literal. "Heaven" could also just be the "salvation" offered by tech corps in the form of various "indispensable" apps and services.
 
@Wolff Drugs? x)
 
@curious Techno drugs
 
4:28 PM
Notifications :)
Rep points? :P
Emperor ("Underneath it, he wears a suit of armour, suggesting that he is protected from any threat (and any emotional response or vulnerability"..."he is an authority figure who demands to be heard"..."Behind his throne looms a tall, impenetrable mountain range, signifying that he is backed by a solid foundation but resistant to making any changes unless he deems it necessary")
<insert specific politician> with a big wall depicted in the back :P
 
Some Techno Bishops:
@curious We forget the "no people rule" :-(
 
@Wolff right...
Space X rocket :)
Does Tron's Master Control qualify as "people"?
 
I'm happy that you peeps are so fanatically chowing down on this :D
 
I've also had thoughts about making a tarot deck.
I saw a psychic woman in Danish TV who were tired that: "Here in 2020 people are still mocking the supernatural!"
 
let's be clear about one thing: I'm Dutch, so I'm very, very worldly
So people like that, to me, are very funny
I'm only interested in tarot for the symbology. It oozes symbology
 
4:38 PM
Yeah me too. The funny part is that she thinks she's in 2020.
 
nooooo. She must have had someone from 2020 whisper facts to her
 
@Vincent I love symbols too. And history. We tend to think that we are living in the "modern time" and have it all figured out. It's humbling to dive into history and realize how much we are a product of earlier times.
 
aye
and how much people still let their lives be guided by wisdom that has long since become obsolete or at least up for serious reconsideration because of, well, the times, they are a-changin'
it's an interesting result of the very human desire to resist change
 
@Vincent I'm not religious in the sense that I don't follow a priest or a book. But if you think new technology answers any of "the great questions" you are naive. We are still just lumps of meat living in a mud pool. We are not about to ascent into the air and became ethereal beings.
 
Oh, tech isn't the answer either. As with everything, it's somewhere in the middle
I don't pretend I have it or know it
I just know that what I feel and believe is true and good for me, and that that will go for lots of other people with lots of other viewpoints as well
 
4:49 PM
Always remember Socrates.
 
It's just that I am opposed to blindly following a viewpoint without analysing it and trying to determine whether it has become stale or not
I read about him for Greek in high school. I don't think I'll ever forget about him ;)
Or at least, the way Aristophanes caricaturised him
But I guess you mean his ethical thinkings?
 
@Vincent I just mean: "I know that I know nothing"
 
That's what I meant :)
@curious roflol
 
5:16 PM
@curious :-)
@curious You have a nice collection of links in your meat lump of a brain.
 
@Wolff Hyperactive meat :) (and a bit disorganized too)
Links sent to you via ticking my meat sticks going ticketicketicketick on the keys. Amazing isn't? :P
 
@curious It's all we know.
@curious But still if you were using Zuckerbergs (doing the sign of the cross) brainhelmet we talked about the other day it would still just be vibrations of meat.
Meathelmet.
 
5:34 PM
I guess going from "flapping your meat" (i.e. talking) to communicate to "vibrating your meat" to communicate (i.e. brain to brain interfaces), makes that stretch seem much more plausible and obvious :)
With your propension towards colors and sci-fi, you might enjoy Neil Harbisson's work
 
@curious oh yeah, I saw him on the news a year ago or so.
 
I ran into him a while ago because I wanted to make an app to convert colors to sound and started googling around that
No way I'll ever find time to do that anymore, but I'd still like to try it
waving your phone around and make noise/music depending on how nice it sounds :P
 
@curious We do it a lot the other way around, describing sound with words I mean.
I saw a documentary about a blind woman who had a metal plate placed on the back of her brain. The idea was to stimulate the brain with electrical impulses from a camera and hope that her brain found out what to make of it. She ended up being able to see a 2x1 px bitmap image, light to the left or to the right. And then the doctor died and his notes were a total mess so nobody wanted to take over the project.
 
@Wolff Oh I hadn't heard of that one...how sad!
I seem to recall something was helping people see by using a device on the tongue
 
@curious What?
 
5:48 PM
@Wolff That was back in 2004 or something but seems like it continued...
 
That is strange ...
 
Imagine you had that hidden in your mouth and went about with your eyes closed as if you were seeing...people would think of you a Jedi :P
 
6:06 PM
You taste good wouldn't be inapropriate.
 
@Wolff lol!
 
Or taste you later.
 
@Wolff O_o
 

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