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12:29 AM
Paizo announces the Open RPG Creative License (ORC). Further, “Paizo does not believe that the OGL 1.0a can be “deauthorized,” ever.” and is prepared to go to court over it. The Open RPG will be irrevocable, and Paizo is looking for a nonprofit to take ownership of it.
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1:02 AM
I'm already seeing larger content creators boycotting D&D Beyond and urging others to do the same.
Most recently, MrRhexx
 
Interesting to note from the blog post:
“We believe that any interpretation that the OGL 1.0 or 1.0(a) were intended to be revocable or able to be deauthorized is incorrect, and with good reason.
We were there.
Paizo owner Lisa Stevens and Paizo president Jim Butler were leaders on the Dungeons & Dragons team at Wizards at the time. Brian Lewis, co-founder of Azora Law, the intellectual property law firm that Paizo uses, was the attorney at Wizards who came up with the legal framework for the OGL itself. Paizo has also worked very closely on OGL-related issues with Ryan Dancey, the visionary who conceived the OGL in the first pla
 
1:20 AM
Bad idea: casting raise dead on unidentified bones
 
@Joshua I think it's fine, because Raise Dead doesn't replace missing organs, so it'll stay bones.
Worst that can happen, maybe, is that they're a bone mimic.
 
Correction: I confused Animate Dead with Raise Dead
if they weren't hominid you get something you might not be able to control
 
Okay, good, because Raise Dead wouldn't work on a skeletal corpse even if you had their organs in jars because decomposition to the skeletal stage only really happens as fast as 2 weeks, which is just outside the 10 day window.
Even then, though, Animate Dead in 5e only makes Zombies or Skeletons, so you'd end up with a normal skeleton either way, iirc.
 
Axoren: not if the lion was there first
 
I don't think the lion would be able to cast Raise Dead or open jars of organs.
 
1:25 AM
Do you want a T-Rex skeleton?
 
Is that a question? Or an offer?
Because I'll take it!
 
You have a T-Rex skeleton. Roll initiative
 
1d20-1
I've been betrayed
Dicebot not working anymore?
 
lol
probably wrong channel; for the best I'm not set up to run the fight anyway
 
I actually had my party fight a T-Rex Skeleton.
It VERY QUICKLY killed two party members.
 
1:28 AM
not suprised
 
It was an ambush and they all failed to spot it, even after actively searching to find it.
The Wizard decided to stop right in front of the foliage it was hiding behind and was in perfect chomp distance.
 
oof
 
Luckily, one-shot. None of your backstories matter because you have no future.
"It's a one-shot, bring someone expendable."
 
what would you think if you found a wizard version of a druid spell in a two thousand year old spellbook?
 
1:50 AM
I'd think the DM really wanted to give the Wizard something cool to play with.
 
2:00 AM
Also:
- Kobold Press are creating their own open-licensed system (possibly an almost-5e? not sure). They'll finish the 5e projects they've already committed to, but after that it's in doubt.
- Troll Lord Games aren't going to make anything new for 5e, and will focus on their own system, Castles & Crusades.
- Frog God Games have stated that they won't sign on to OGL1.1, and if OGL1.0a can legally be revoked they'll probably have to go out of business.
@Axoren dicebot doesn't do +/-, just straight dice rolls
 
@doppelgreener I might contribute a few bucks to a crowd funded effort to give them legal support, even though I give less than two hoots for Paizo and their products.
@Axoren it works but only on raw rolls
d20
 
2:27 AM
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Q: How will this static initiative houserule affect game balance?

SmasherSo in my current D&D group all the PCs have a static initiative (8 + Proficiency + Dex + any other bonuses) while enemies and NPCs keep rolling the original way (d20 dice roll + Dex). This enables us to plan a permanent group order in combat but I would like to know if this is actually balanced, ...

 
 
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Q: What happens to a conjured creature when the caster of the spell that conjures it loses access to that spell?

SpexguyThis is already something of an edge case, and the intuitive answer would seem to be that the creature vanishes, right? But I'm interested in whether that is the case when certain items are involved. The relevant text for Ruby Weave Gem and Ring of Spell Storing are as follows: Ring of Spell Sto...

 
 
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11:17 AM
@ThomasMarkov you don't understand the lasting utility in "what is the stated design goals?"
 
@Trish Sure. But if your question is “what are the stated design goals as of today?”, and they change tomorrow then (1) I can’t post an answer tomorrow with the new stated design goals, and (2) yesterday’s stated design goals are meaningless. The question doesn’t have any lasting utility.
 
@ThomasMarkov The main reason is archivial - what is/was the stated goal of the license, even if it never comes to fruition or ends up looking vastly different than stated. It's something that can be used to pin down future research. That's why I had a strict date in it!
 
@Trish so can I post the same question tomorrow but change the “as of” date?
 
@ThomasMarkov possibly... maybe with "What coals were removed/changed"? It'S hard... how would you edit the question to become a catch-all wiki-style about ORC? Just remove the time cutoff?
make it all about pre-release?
 
@Trish Sort of, yeah. Something like “how did the stated design goals for the ORC license evolve/develop/change prior to its release?” This way all changes coming down from official discussions and releases have a home on one question, and the entire development history of the license can be documented in one question.
And it doesn’t look like you’re just asking for this week’s game license news.
 
11:27 AM
How about now?
 
Removal of the “as of [date]” but is definitely an improvement, but I still think reframing it to focus on the continuous development would be even better. Framing it as “how has it evolved over the course of the pre-release period” encourages complete answers that focus on the whole development life cycle, and discourages one-shot “here’s an update” answers.
Remember, we want to optimize for pearls, so anything we can do to frame a question in a way that encourages high quality, complete answers and discourages brief “adding to the conversation” type answers is something we should aim for.
 
@ThomasMarkov I tried to make it better... you think you can pick up the red pen?
(FTR: that's question #99/100 for Socratic, if it works out)
 
12:03 PM
@Trish I’ll have a look when I sit down at my desk.
 
 
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1:15 PM
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theresattrpgforthat answered an ask on tumblr "Do you have any recommendations for someone who is used to the level of crunch and structure of D&D 5e, CoC, and SWN but wants to try something new?"
 
I'm going to start up the bimonthly meta feature I'd been considering, listing game suggestions to try out & prompting people to get active with them on mainsite. What should I call it? "Now Try This, January 2023: [summary]" for example comes to mind. (bimonthly or quarterly, I'll figure it out)
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"Game Design on a Cozy Budget" compiled by Nevyn & Jam on Argent Lion Games. here’s my guide to modern TTRPG game systems to try for your gaming table or indie content.
Loose Playbooks Jam Hosted by Courtney. The Loose Playbooks Jam is an event encouraging the creation of playbooks! Make a playbook for your favorite game! Make a playbook for your least favorite game! Make an extra playbook for your own game! Make a playbook that isn't attached to any game at all
Animon Story Intro Playkit by Zak Barouh. Intro pack for Animon Story, the 'Kids & Monsters' TTRPG.
ApocUnlimited asked on twitter "could you tell us about some awesome TTRPGs made by POC?"
Bonfire & Blade by Color Spray Games. A Souls-themed rules-lite RPG for 1 GM and 1+ players.
Corps a Corps: An RPG about Fencing by arisia. Clash with hearts and steel in this GM-optional tabletop RPG.
out of playtesting: Gubat Banwa First Edition by makapatag. Martial arts fantasy in the islands of revel and beauty.
Upcoming crowdfunding: Corvid Court Aviary by Spencer Campbell. Birds of a feather, kill together.
Paleskin Princess by Agarwood Studio. A pamphlet dungeon for low-level characters.
 
Combat Wheelchair will be pulled; its creator says to get it while you can. It's free & located here. v4 is indefinitely shelved. This is because of OGL 1.1 collapsing the 3pp market.
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Upcoming Crowdfunding: Earth to Jupiter: A ZiMo TTRPG by Pidj Sorensen. An epistolary roleplaying game for one or two players.
Hannah Rose wrote a twitter thread about chefs, menus, and games. Everyone who's like "These creators should unite to create A Single New Game System!" is missing the point.
Pam Punzalan wrote a twitter thread about "the dangers of singular communities, spaces, games."
"Good riddance to the Open Gaming License" by Cory Doctorow on tumblr. it’s not just that the OGL fails to give you rights — it actually takes away rights you already have to D&D.
"Open Gaming Interview With Ryan Dancey" by Ryan S. Dancey (2002), archived from wizards.com by archive.org.
> The logical conclusion says that reducing the "cost" to other people to publishing and supporting the core D&D game to zero should eventually drive support for all other game systems to the lowest level possible in the market, create customer resistance to the introduction of new systems, and the result of all that "support" redirected to the D&D game will be to steadily increase the number of people who play D&D, thus driving sales of the core books.
The TRPG space is much much bigger than any OGL, and that's despite the OGL, not because of it.
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Don't let people talking about Hasbro "ruining" Wizards, or Wizards "squandering goodwill," distract you from the fact that Wizards was owned by Hasbro before it published any D&D-related material including the original OGL and the original OGL only created "goodwill" by promising that if 3pp creators gave up some of their existing rights then Wizards wouldn't harass them with frivolous lawsuits as much as TSR had.
Wizards already tried to pull the teeth on the OGL by quiet influence twice, once with the 4e GSL and once with the DM's Guild's contractual sandbox.
And don't get taken in by opportunistic counter-PR from other companies exploiting Wizards' mask-slip to try and take D&D's place in your hearts; as Punzalan and Rose wrote (linked above) we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking the problem is that we pledged ourselves to the wrong corporation and we should look for one more deserving of our fealty.
One system that a lot of the "D&D alternative" list articles are sleeping on, is Gubat Banwa. It's an amazing epic fantasy setting with high-crunch tactical combat and the characters are integrated into the setting so combat has context.
@doppelgreener Maybe something less ordering-around-y?
My "naming things" brain is firmly in paleocyber ranger territory right now though so I'm blank on alternatives.
 
2:08 PM
@doppelgreener "In the shadows of the giants [Ep. 1...]: "? sounds like an adventure title, it note that it's about small RPGs and how they might be overlooked?
 
@BESW that has been precisely what i've struggled with, i need to phrase it as an invitation
 
And maybe not remind people of what they're more used to in the same breath.
 
@BESW Paleocyber's Game Suggestions? 🤔
And oh look, I had all these Chat Stars burning a hole in my pocket...
 
It'd be nice to see more stars on non-D&D stuff than D&D stuff, or that top non-pinned star will feel a bit out of place.
So many cool things happen in TRPGland that have nothing to do with the Dragon Game or the Other Dragon Game.
 
My apologies if this is already posted here, but gizmodo.com/… suggests that OGL 1.1 is being delayed.
 
2:20 PM
it was posted a little earlier but it's fine :)
 
@BESW I agree, I guess I'm biased by what I'm familiar with 😥
 
yeah, its announcement was supposed to be a few days ago according to the leaked version, so it's already delayed
and wizards has postponed responding to public backlash a couple of times
 
So much to read... :-p Thank you.
 
a whistleblower from yesterday said the executive class at wizards has contempt for the community and is just waiting for them to stop being upset about it before they just brush over things and release it anyway
but like, OGL 1.1 represents a direct threat to the livelihood of anyone active in releasing 3pp content. it's not going to be something people just forget about.
 
@doppelgreener Which is one reason I'm aghast at people adulating Paizo's ORC, as if the solution is just a matter of switching from one company whose executives are known to have open contempt for its community, to another company whose executives are known to have open contempt for its community.
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Not that "community" is really a good word anyway.
If I knew nothing else about Paizo, peddling ORC as being in "the spirit of the Open Game License" would be a red flag all on its own. Being there at the beginning they should know the OGL was always about Wizards galaxy-brain idea to choke out competition by controlling 3pp instead of suing them and looking like the good guys in the process. Which makes me think maybe they do know that and really are working on the spirit of the OGL.
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Upcoming crowdfunding: Constellation Volume 1: RPG Zine Anthology by Hit Point Press. Featuring 12 exciting roleplaying game zines, packed with action, horror, and intimate emotional experiences.
Jennifer Kretchmer wrote a twitter thread about the need for accessibility in digital tools "because everyone abandoning the one platform that has accessible materials available means disabled people, many of whom haven’t left our homes in three years and ONLY play TTRPGs virtually, means we are just being left behind and abandoned AGAIN."
BTW, @doppelgreener, if I started a Geek Night thing again would you be interested?
I've been designing games more than I've been playing them and that feels dangerous. But also I just miss gaming with y'all. We'd likely all be online this time around which probably means figuring out a tabletop app like role?
I'm getting to the point where I'll want to playtest a full run of Mechafauna Valley but it's a very physical game so translating that to online play will require some tech I'm not familiar with. It uses a deck of cards so our old pass-the-token-through-the-screen technique won't cut it.
 
3:19 PM
@doppelgreener I've started playing ATLA Legends and we're absolutely loving it.
 
3:45 PM
@doppelgreener FWIW a lot of folks I have played with use Tome of Beasts, and that's 3PP.
 
4:23 PM
@NautArch Oh, wonderful!
An Update on the Open Game License (OGL), from D&D Beyond. Some adjustments made in light of the blowback. The license back and royalty structures have (apparently) been removed, with alternate unspecified features put in their place.
 
@doppelgreener We're really digging the storytelling aspect of it. Not relying on the GM or image of a scene to drive what's happening because the players get to populate it is amazing.
 
4:53 PM
That's so exciting.
I haven't been able to play yet myself. I'm so looking forward to that.
 
5:08 PM
@BESW there's Discord bots that might help?
@doppelgreener I shan't hold my breath
 
@AncientSwordRage Yeah i expect it to remain equally bad if not get worse
 
@doppelgreener what's telling is the language used like "oh, us? No, we just wanted protection from Major Corporations"... Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
 
Yeah they're outright stating they thought it was fine to include that license back privilege. "We'd never exploit that," says major corporation busy exploiting terminology in the previous license as part of this one.
 
 
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6:40 PM
@doppelgreener My preferred choice of words for this article are unfortunately not appropriate for this chat.
"First, we wanted the ability to prevent the use of D&D content from being included in hateful and discriminatory products." It is very fortunate I was not eating or drinking when I read this sentence, for it would have soiled everything on my desk.
 
6:58 PM
@ThomasMarkov same
@ThomasMarkov like pals, buddies, have you read your own books
 
@doppelgreener chuckle, I did. 😊
@ThomasMarkov yeah, that's kinda rich. There are ways of dealing with that risk, which do not include stomping on people who do not produce hateful and discriminatory products, such as using viral, and thus cheap, twitter and internet information campaigns to expose such abuse and send those few bad actors the strongly worded legal letters. ~ Hasbro suit interrupts ~ Oh, but wait, an OGL change is the easy button, let's do that no matter who it harms! Sorry, I forgot the problem there... 😛
 
 
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@doppelgreener There is no way this show is even 1% as good as Legend of Vox Machina.
 
i won't be watching it
three years and two months ago, wizards of the coast deleted people like me from the canon of magic the gathering, by order of an executive who wanted to be able to sell a TV show to markets where queer people don't get to exist
 
@doppelgreener Have you seen Legend of Vox Machina?
 
i have not!
i've heard good things
 
I don't have the experience of having watched it without being a diehard fan of Critical Role already, so I may be a bit biased.
 
8:45 PM
LoVM is decent, but I think it is significantly improved if you already love that story
I watched it from the position of someone who enjoys CR, but I've only properly watched C2 and some of C3; I am familiar with the characters and overall story of C1 because my partner did watch it all and I picked up stuff peripherally
my impression was "yeah, it's pretty good", not "omg I love it"
 
Sam Riegel is a national treasure and I will hear no other opinions.
 
I mean Sam is my favourite player at that table
Sam is definitely not my partner's favourite player. (Sam's sense of humour is more my wavelength than theirs.)
 
Sam is dialogue director on many of my kids' favorite shows.
 
9:06 PM
@BESW I posted a mancala board for you a while back chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11?m=62679460#62679460
 
Stack Exchange will go into read-only mode in 2 hours time, for 3 hours.
 
Wait that's not a good star, it will be wrong in an hour.
 
9:25 PM
it will say 1 hour ago tho
 
9:44 PM
AbyssalBrews dives into analysing the D&D Beyond post about OGL 1.1, pointing out things it lied about and issues it completely dodged.
 
10:41 PM
@ThomasMarkov well, I guess if you're going to blow your wad in January, there's nothing I can do to stop you =D
 
 
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oh hey chat still works
nice
 
@bobble Nice! That's very similar to mine, except mine doesn't have the line decoration.
@AncientSwordRage Most game bots force you to follow the rules of the game, in my experience.
@NautArch Is that sort of like how Lovecraftesque or Wanderhome do it?
Sebastian Yue wrote a twitter thread "the zines included in the Constellation anthology! There is no single ‘theme’ to the book; the excellence of the zines and my own taste are their commonalities. I’ll break down why I chose each of them in this thread."
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Rae has written some of my favorite games, check it out.
 

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