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Ben
12:03 AM
I know the feeling. I've been trying to think of it for the last 20 minutes now haha
 
 
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1:18 AM
@Ben Lower your guard?
Also, I do believe I have just created the most non linear dungeon possible
It has eight entrances and about 80 ways to get to the goal
 
Ben
I think I was looking for more of a "vigilance" thing... oh well.
@TheDragonOfFlame Sounds like Skyrim :P
 
1:39 AM
CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Better wizards than you have lost buttocks, you know.
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Ben
@bobble For some reason that sounded very much like someone from the Unseen University would say
Anyone that doesn't know what I'm referring to, needs to read (or re-read) the Discworld series
 
 
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3:39 AM
@Ben yes! It’s from Harry Potter actually (disc world is better)
 
3:52 AM
@Ben Australian Discworld Convention was last weekend (online this time, because of reasons)
next year it's in Sydney
 
 
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Ben
6:10 AM
@Adeptus we used to have a group in town that would do on stage plays :D
 
 
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9:52 AM
this question should still be closed. We need an edition or setting, ideally both.
 
 
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12:00 PM
@ThomasMarkov agree
 
@Trish Good improvement on your meta answer.
changed my downvote to an upvote.
 
@ThomasMarkov thought so, first started as a too long comment, now is an answer in its full right
 
something ive noticed: other stacks seem to use comment locks fairly regularly, and I cant remember ever seeing one used here.
 
12:16 PM
@ThomasMarkov KRyan's comment is not overly helpful here
 
@ThomasMarkov the first past pass on the recommendation questions were locked
 
@Trish They were LOCKED locked. I just mean comment locks.
Where you can still answer and vote, but cant comment.
 
@ThomasMarkov huh. hmm, we often try to discuss with OP what they actually mean with comments and don't seem to go (too) toxic there... That is... we also stay away from stuff that belongs to another land and time its topics and stuff like racism...
 
@Trish That's my thought.
 
@ThomasMarkov we don't need to discuss Leechery and such, and unless someone tries tobring it up, no need to comment-lock. That's unless we discus Hirudinea, bloodleting as medicine and of course humanoid Haemovores. Then we discuss leeches of the (somewhat) acceptable type.
Leech: parasitic worm; Vampire. Leeching: adding Leeches to a body to draw blood.
 
12:39 PM
Time to summon the devil
 
1:29 PM
@ThomasMarkov your avatar is much more menacing up close
 
I'd VTC, but there's clearly going to be a reopening...
 
@NautArch idk, give it a shot
 
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A user claimed the question was a good question because we could provide good, edition agnostic answers, then that user provided a 5th Edition focused answer and claimed an edition-agnostic answer would be waste of everyone's time.
 
Yeah, that's not super helpful. We really should be focusing on solving people's problems and not just posting up answers for fake internet points.
 
 
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3:00 PM
This isn't meant to inflame, and is kind of the opposite of an answer (that is, it's a chat-only topic), but are there any editions of D&D in which access to a magic-using class is limited by some fundamentally innate capacity for magic? Outside of Sorcerer
I'm not well versed enough in pre-3.5 editions to know, but one example would resolve the discussion completely
 
The issue right now is not knowing which addition and setting up is playing
 
Right, but the assertion is that it doesn't matter because there is no edition of D&D in which the suggested constraint applies
Citation of all settings and editions for each magic-using class does seem unwieldy and not terribly valuable, and an expert-derived statement that "this never is a thing" seems like it needs more support, hence the drive for a specific setting and edition
 
Maybe, but this isn't a lower question. This is a real question, in a real setting, in a real edition. Those factors matter for this particular querent.
And that would be a very long way around to get to an answer.
 
Oh I agree the question is under-specified (and I suspect the querent is a drive-by user, who will not return to interact with the question in any way), and it would be better to get the additional information
But my understanding of the question so far is something like "in D&D are character classes a thing?". It's still going to be a better question with sufficient detail, but the answer is still "yes"
Citation on such a (contrived) question would be irritating, though that doesn't necessarily excuse not providing any
I wonder if we could put any predictive analytics together to mark out users that post a single, underspecified question and then disappear forever
 
@Upper_Case I'mnot one to 'change' a question so it' 'stackable.' without the querent's engagement. They posted a question for them, not a question that we need to try and 'fix' so we can answer it.
That always rubs me the wrong way and emphasizes our need to gamify helping.
 
3:12 PM
@NautArch I feel that way as well
 
Answering a question isn't helping. Answering the right question with a correct and well-supported answer is helpful.
 
Shrug I don't disagree
 
@Trish I'm thinking of voting to close the manual of bodily health question.
Alan Mills' answer was, to me, not idea generation but another of saying "it's up to the DM."
Then we started getting idea generation answers and it didn't really stop.
@Upper_Case So for me, working to try it and get it answered isn't what's important. What's important is figuring out what the user's actual problem is so we can solve it.
 
@NautArch I think protecting should be the first step for such questions. If bad answers still come in: close.
 
@NautArch There's at least one answer there which isn't... but yeah, it's a brainstorming festival
 
3:17 PM
@Trish Agreed. Still VTC'd.
@Upper_Case One doesn't make it right, unfortunately. It's all the others that make it wrong.
 
@NautArch Not disagreeing. Though I do think it would be a bad look if I VTC-ed, I can provide the last vote if neede
*needed
 
@Upper_Case Why would it be a bad look?
 
@NautArch Because my answer attracted a (relatively) middling reception
 
@Upper_Case Nah. That's all good. You can decide whether or not you think it should stay up. If ou believe it should, then it should (unless it gets downvoted to oblivion or flagged.)
Your answer does say what to do in particular, it's guidance for how to think about it.
Updoot from me.
 
@NautArch Falconer has a good reasoned answer, pointing out the pros and cons of his approach. Passable. Upper_Case argues the rules, using the "GM is always right". Which is all supported by the rules. Darth Pseudonym argues with the rules for the feywild, as does HuepfDaSau, but then we all have "idea generation"
 
3:21 PM
@NautArch Again, I don't disagree. And I'm not trying to stir anything up, just express what I think is the counterpoint on the table: there is no edition or setting in which the querent's issue is... an issue. It's a frustrating question
 
@Upper_Case Yeah, I agree as well :)
And my lore knowledge is not up to that task. It's a big task.
 
@NautArch sometimes, a tark is huge and unanswerable without cutting down. Other times one can just about manage to do so in 30k charactrs.
 
VTC recorded. I think I was concerned about nothing... I doubt anyone ever looks at users voting to close in that level of detail
 
I just don't understand the belief that experts don't need to support their answers. BESW said some great things earlier about that, but it's currently boggling my mind.
 
3:41 PM
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Q: Does a barbarian need to damage a target to keep Rage from ending, or just attack the target (whether or not it hits)?

Fight guyI’m playing DND 5e, the rage ability states that the effect ends early if your turn ends and you haven’t attacked a hostile creature since your last turn or taken damage since then. Does this mean that the Barbarian has to DEAL damage to an opponent, or just use an attack action in general, and t...

 
@NautArch there's something about an expert being a primary source
but in this case KRyan is not a primary source
 
Unless it's about dreamscarred press
But I agree, I don't think 99.9% of users are primary source.
 
@NautArch agreed
And I'm still suspicious of the .1% who claim to be
Has anybody come across this meaning english.stackexchange.com/questions/570467/… ?
 
@AncientSwordRage Nope
 
weird (for me at least)
 
3:55 PM
@AncientSwordRage Never once
 
crazy (not you though)
That being said I once thought Bart Simpson said "Over-Ease" when he said "Ovaries" so I've not got a great track record.
 
@Upper_Case I was gonna bounty your answer, but the question is gonna get closed (which it probably should).
 
@AncientSwordRage I don't have the evidence to back up a proper answer, but from subjective experience that phrase either means (literally) a motivated donkey or (in American lingo, at least) callipygian. The pun's meaning could be ambiguous.
 
@AncientSwordRage As an idiom, I've always heard it used as a compliment about a person's back side.
 
@MikeQ good ambiguous or confusing ambiguous?
@ThomasMarkov I don't know why I find that meaning so strange :/
 
4:04 PM
To me it sounds like an absurdist pun, and doesn't indicate that the person themself is hard-working.
 
@MikeQ oh :(
 
The pun is still kinda funny, but the underlying idiom may not be interpreted the way you intend.
 
@ThomasMarkov Yep, that's my knowledge of it.
Which suggests that it isn't negative :P
 
@AncientSwordRage Possibly because it is often used in a context that objectifies women, and I imagine you are not one to frequent such contexts.
 
@ThomasMarkov most likely
@MikeQ yeah I'll have to avoid it
@MikeQ I do like absurdist puns
 
4:11 PM
This has nothing to do with this conversation or this site, but it is super cool:
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Q: Why is there a mountain inside the Herschel crater on Mimas?

JohnIf the Herschel crater was caused by an impact, why does it have a mountain at its very center, its peak up to 5 mi (8 km) in elevation?

what the world, does ELU.se lock comments on everything?
this is like the 4th post Ive seen today that had locked comments
 
@ThomasMarkov it's very cool
@ThomasMarkov maybe?
 
@ThomasMarkov I think hey do because answers in comments
 
4:30 PM
I just sent an email to the county clerk to try and solve this question at skeptics:
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Q: Is this the flag of Niobrara County, Wyoming?

Unrelated StringI recently encountered this image, stated to be the flag of Niobrara County, Wyoming: It was posted specifically as an "eye hurting flag"; that is, it was noted as especially ugly. I know many strange flags exist, but several elements of this strike me as possibly fake: The foreground of the fl...

 
@ThomasMarkov oooh good idea
@Trish which happens because they can be overly harsh on answers
Perhaps you can have someone be confused, and then the character clarifies: "I didn't say they had an ass that won't quit, I said they were an ass that won't quit." — Hellion 9 mins ago
^ could work
 
@AncientSwordRage I haven't heard the specific "won't quit" phrasing, but Lizzo has a song where part of the chorus is "Thinkin' bout how it's gonna feel when I got that ass that don't stop", which, both in context of the song and Lizzo's overall vibe with her music, is definitely not about being a stubborn hard worker
 
@LCooper The question I have now is, do I want to google who Lizzo is from a work laptop, or at home while sat next to my wife...
 
s/sat/sitting
 
@AncientSwordRage She's a pop star, nothing likely to come up that's inappropriate! Lots of her music is that generic "yeah, I'm hot and cool and independent, what about it!" sort of feel-good genre. No more of a concern to google than, I dunno, Britney Spears.
Point is, I think the more common usage of "an ass that won't quit" is to comment on appearance, even if it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. (See: "dumps like a truck" from Thong Song. I don't know how that's meant to be a compliment, but the context of the song makes it very clear it's positive.)
 
4:46 PM
@bobble that's a BrE vs AmE thing I think
@LCooper good to know on both accounts
FWIW I've never heard 'Dumps like a truck' in a phrase or song
 
Mystery solved:
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A: Is this the flag of Niobrara County, Wyoming?

Thomas MarkovIt is not. I emailed Niobrara County clerk Becky Freeman to ask. She responded: No, it is not the official flag of Niobrara County. Niobrara County does not have an official flag.

 
5:16 PM
@ThomasMarkov good sleuthing
 
5:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, messaging number in answer, pattern-matching email in answer (355): Fighter with Aggressive Block & Flinging Shove & Powerful Shove by Laurie on rpg.SE (@Rubiksmoose @ThomasMarkov)
 
@SmokeDetector 43 seconds... we're getting slow
 
6:03 PM
@AncientSwordRage I don't know why you're so opposed to clearly legitimate spellcasting services. That covers, like, 10% of all questions on the stack!
 
@AncientSwordRage I'm pretty sure it's just that one song-- the context is "she's got dumps like a truck, a booty like what", so not exactly the pinnacle of poetic verse. But sometimes people will refer to a person as having a "dumptruck", to compliment them on the size/shape of their butt. Very strange.
 
@LCooper strange to us perhaps
 
@AncientSwordRage Mostly I'm not sure how being likened to a dumptruck became a positive thing, but I guess being a brick house is also not inherently something that sounds flattering? Such is the nature of poetic language, I suppose!
 
@LCooper indeed, and also different cultural norms.
 
6:19 PM
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Q: Fighter with Aggressive Block & Flinging Shove & Powerful Shove

VaniglioI would like to use these three feats, but I'm not sure how they work together. Aggressive Block You push back as you block the attack, knocking your foe away or off balance. You use your shield to push the triggering creature, either automatically Shoving it 5 feet or causing it to become flat-...

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Q: Can the Death Domain Cleric’s Reaper feature make an otherwise eligible cantrip ineligible for Twinned Spell Metamagic?

ProtonfluxIf a character had levels in both Sorcerer and Cleric, and had the Twinned Spell Metamagic ability and the Death domain Reaper ability, would they be able to use twinned spell if one of their intended targets was within 5' of another creature who was not an intended target? I believe this is a di...

 
6:56 PM
@Someone_Evil what's the word on a DGS update? Still cookin?
 
 
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9:37 PM
@ThomasMarkov Yes, in the pipeline, as it were
 
10:21 PM
@doppelgreener could you elaborate your meta-tagging comment and relate that to stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/07/the-death-of-meta-tags I don't see the line you are drawing there (except to argue against the case you are making).
When the content of a question is about firearms, then a firearms tag applies, even if the querent doesn't know that they are called that, and if the querent doesn't know that rules for them exist already, then pointing the querent towards those is in their best interest - the content is relevant not the degree of the information that the querent has when asking about something.
(I think arguing that the content of the question is that the querent doesn't know that their rules exist already doesn't meet support via that stance on meta-tagging - that is one of the things meta-tagging discouragement is about)
The tag is also not akin to a tag like [requires-reading-optional-rules], so I'm pretty lost about that line.
I also don't see how the could be a meta-tag as it is both well-defined, and stands on its own.
The content is the optional rule and its elements. The querent merely lacks the knowledge that it is an optional rule already and proposed it as a house rule.
 
Ben
10:42 PM
Morning all
 
Morning Ben :)
 
> The reason meta-tags are a problem is that they do not describe the content of the question. They describe some other aspect of the question, like the author’s skill level, or the author’s motivation for asking it, or generally what “kind” of question it is (poll, how-to, etc.).
from that blog post
 
Ben
How goes your day?
 
@doppelgreener yes, exactly.
 
is this about the rule of thumb i wrote?
anyway, i've tried to explain why i've taken the stance i have in several different ways
i don't think there's much more i could say about it—if you think there's no merit to what i've said, i'd rather leave it at that
 
10:49 PM
Just because I disagree that doesn't mean that there is no merit to it, I'm clearly showing interest in your argument, but I don't see how this particular part exactly applies to it.
 
well like: the querent is asking about a house rule they made. if the game author pronounces a rule in a forest, does that mean any house rule questions that happen to connect to it become optional rule questions?
the fact it's got anything at all to do with any optional rules is totally coincidental, and it's not all that surprising an optional rule for anyone to intuit, whether a GM or the game authors
 
The content of the rules is the same, even if completely coincidental.
 
the content of the question is not: they're not asking about an optional rule.
 
Yes, the motivation is different.
 
when we start tagging as [optional-rule], we're tagging by somethign that is not in the content of the question, and we only know that because we know the answer to the question.
we're tagging based on external connections we've made that are substantial to the answers, not to the question.
that's it
 
10:54 PM
But we don't, because they happen to share content even if completely coincidental.
 
if the GM decided this house rule a week before Tasha's came out, it'd be a house rule question. If they decided it this week without knowing Tasha's came out, it's still a house rule question. If they this week had read Tasha's and asking about Tasha's, it'd be an optional rule question.
 
Their motivation changes yes, but the content stays exactly the same.
 
The fact they don't have Tasha's, haven't read Tasha's, and don't know this optional rule is in Tasha's, makes it no different from a situation where Tasha's basically doesn't exist
It's nothing to do with the motivation, it's the entire substance of the question
 
Unless they are asking about a particular aspect that puts rules changes into perspective.
But they are interested in the applied content.
And when that content releases has little to do with the evaluation of it (unless in context to other releases).
Whether it is a house rule or an optional rule doesn't matter to the querent in particular.
 
well it doesn't matter to the querent, but we're not tagging what matters to them
 
10:58 PM
Exactly.
 
we're tagging the content of their question—and the content is a house rule
 
The content is a rule.
That it is a house rule only matters for categorising.
The efficacy of the rule is at the heart of the question.
And it happens to be an optional rule as well.
 
yeah that's not a semantic line of thought i'm going down
i see why you're going down there, but it's not one i'm ready to follow.
i have to go to bed, i was only checking in for a few minutes before heading off. do you mind if we wrap this up here?
 
Sure, good night :)
 
goodnight! o/
 
Ben
11:05 PM
Ciao
 
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Q: Roll up a D&D character, with options

user3934737I'd like to roll up the ability scores for my Dungeons and Dragons character. But I'd also like them to be balanced (and slightly better than average). Typically, a character's stats are created by rolling four 6-sided dice, adding together the three highest results, and doing this 6 times. A 6 s...

 
Ben
11:22 PM
@AncientSwordRage that Japt answer.... what
 

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