TRPG General Chat

12:06 AM

@BESW that's a good list

As in it looks good, not tried any of the games

Trophy is the only one I'm particularly interested in, but the others look like decent choices for people who need something more D&D-like.

Quest is getting a LOT of press as a D&D alternative, to the point that I'm concerned it's feeding the "you should only have one game and dedicate yourself to it" tunnel vision which let D&D fester in the first place.

I've been reading the Wanderhome playkit and it's slow going because I keep stopping to take a break so I can appreciate it.

The recent 6e jam has some really great stuff.

There's just such an embarrassment of riches.

I'm hearing really good things about BOLT as a tinkerer's TRPG, designed for hacking and drifting.

AncientSwordRage

12:29 AM

I'm really a d20 or dice pool kind of gamer

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Unarmored Movement formula

I'm trying to plug in an equation for a monk's unarmored movement in DiceCloud, so that I don't have to change the bonus value whenever it changes. I had a formula, but lost it. Does anyone know what the formula is?

AncientSwordRage

I should look more into Burning Wheel

Also fate

BESW

Have you tried Lady Blackbird? Its engine is probably generalizable and it's good for "fistfuls of dice if you're competent" play.

nitsua60

12:48 AM

@goodguy5 did you say "the two yoots?"

goodguy5

essentially

AncientSwordRage

@BESW curiosity peaked

I like natures from mouse guard and I think burning wheel has something similar

BESW

@AncientSwordRage Iz free! The primary game is also available on itchio if that's your poison.

I think you might really like LB's keys.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW ahhhhh

I did a hecking confuse

BESW

Did you confuse it with Bluebeard's Bride? That happens.

AncientSwordRage

12:53 AM

Wait... Is it a game or a module?

^ confusion

BESW

It's self-contained game/setting/scenario that gives you a starting point and you play to find out what happens.

Each of the three games on ladyblackbird.org uses the same basic engine and setting, but applies it to unique characters in a unique scenario for a very different mouthfeel to the play experience.

Like, Lady Blackbird is a swashbuckling romance road trip, while Lord Scurlock is more of a tense family drama thriller.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW pass on the setting and the self contained nature

BESW

Yeah, I'm pointing it out because the engine is phrasal which makes it very customizable.

MikeQ

Who would win in a fight, Lady Blackbird or Lord Scurlock?

BESW

Lady Blackbird, because Lord Scurlock is dead. And she's a weather witch.

@AncientSwordRage It's got a lot of "Fate if you want fistfuls of dice" going for it.

MikeQ

1:03 AM

Well, who would win if Lord Scurlock was alive and had an umbrella?

Shalvenay

@BESW eheheh cranks the CAPE up to over 9000

BESW

@MikeQ Well, Lady Blackbird can still just hit the umbrella with lightning, but Lord Scurlock might have the political connections to get the charges dropped from her lover the Pirate King Uriah Flint.

Shalvenay

1:22 AM

@BESW I'd just crank up the straight-line winds and make Lord Scurlock curse out Daniel Bernoulli forevermore ;)

AncientSwordRage

@BESW ahh, I would need to figure what phrasal means in this context

MikeQ

> consisting of a phrase or phrases.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW that sounds good, but I would still need to learn more about fate first

> in this context

MikeQ

The rulebook has phrases in it.

AncientSwordRage

I'm fairly uncultured

@MikeQ I should hope so

> A priest, a priest, and a priest were sitting at a table.

> Two men were sitting next to them at the table: a lawyer, a lawyer, and a lawyer. The lawyer said to the priest, "I'll be seeing you in court." The priest replied, "I'll be seeing you in hell"

reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2Meta/comments/hr55rp/…

AI jokes by reading Reddit

BESW

1:42 AM

Just, read Lady Blackbird? It's free and the rules are a single page for players, a one-sided character sheet, and a single page for GMs.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW I downloaded it earlier, but I'll read it in the morning over coffee

BESW

2:04 AM

Jonaya Kemper wrote a twitter thread about why she thinks Jiangshi: Blood in the Banquet Hall "is exactly what the ttrpg world needs right now."

BESW

3:51 AM

Bodyworks by Speak the Sky is a mis-adventure mini-zine game for two players, specifically of the sort who want to roleplay body snatchers in a grim, bizarre, alternate London. Uses the board game Operation as a game tool.

gszavae

5:29 AM

@GcL I sure hope SE isn't running on paperclips and rubberbands, but you never know. Certainly wouldn't be the most bs I've encountered.

BESW

5:49 AM

Diwata ng Manila wrote a twitter thread "about the work that I am doing for Mnemonic: A Weaver's Almanac."

Bardic Wizard

@BESW I was sort of skimming the chat and I downloaded lady blackbird and now I’m realizing I really want to play it, so thanks for introducing me to it! Alas, I don’t know anyone local who plays anything other than D&D5e or maybe (read: almost never happens) 3e or PF. I might need new gaming friends.

BESW

@BardicWizard I use Lady Blackbird at conventions for both people who've only played D&D, and people who've never played any TRPG at all.

And yeah, I'm pretty much the reason anybody I know in hugspace plays something that's not D&D or Pathfinder.

Bardic Wizard

I should try it with my players the next time I forget to plan a session, instead of ripping off Star Trek again.

BESW

The big step was to find a franchise we all like that had an official TRPG license with a very not-D&D system; in our case it was Dresden Files, though we moved away from that pretty quickly it served as the passage into "Oh hey other stuff exists and it's cheaper and easier to learn and does certain things better."

@BardicWizard See also: Lasers & Feelings?

Bardic Wizard

I might try that too...

BESW

6:01 AM

Or Banned from Argo if you wanna do some silly bombastic Star Trek parody stuff.

Space Goblins! is great silly fun; I actually re-jiggered Goblin Court so that Space Goblins could be a sequel game.

Glazius

Banned from Argo is some quality filk. It's linked from the storepage.

BESW

There's just so. much. out there.

@BardicWizard I've also had some success with Honey Heist as an intro-to-indies game. Generally, stuff that's really aggressively pushing away from anything D&D-like, means that people have to give up making comparisons and just see indies for what they are rather than how they aren't D&D.

AncientSwordRage

9:09 AM

What noise do zombies make?

Blarghhg

That's me

@BESW reading Lady Blackbird didn't happen but I'll read it today

BESW

MikeQ

You are the noise that zombies make?

AncientSwordRage

I am the night

MikeQ

Which night? Are you Tuesday night?

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ all the ones where you wake up in a sweat and then can't go back to sleep... And still manage to some how oversleep

MikeQ

9:23 AM

You must be very busy, being a night every night, all while being a sentient zombie sound.

trogdor

9:33 AM

@BESW best advice XD

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ it's a hard knock life

@BESW I passed my concentration roll and read the pdf.

The conclusion I came to was I would gladly play with that engine as a one shot, I'd reluctantly GM a one shot, but I would probably turn down anything built in it for a long term campaign

AncientSwordRage

10:12 AM

It feel fun and novel, but I'm not sure if I would see myself playing with it over something else

AncientSwordRage

10:24 AM

that reminds me

An RPG That Uses Magic the Gathering Cards For Everything

MikeQ

10:40 AM

This just looks like MtG with less coherent rules

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ exactly

MikeQ

The author wants to simulate D&D while using MtG mechanics. That's not how game design works.

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ it's not how good game design works

it's how "I have a pile of cards, what can I do with it" game design works

MikeQ

The idea isn't bad in principle. Back in college, someone made a storytelling TTRPG using MtG decks. From what I remember, card types corresponded to types of events and scenes, and it's up to the player how to interpret the card itself.

Someone_Evil

Hope you aren't playing mono-black, I guess

AncientSwordRage

10:49 AM

@Someone_Evil ?

Someone_Evil

@AncientSwordRage I can only imagine that ends up some combination of grim and bleak

AncientSwordRage

@Someone_Evil oh, I found it odd as the example is someone playing a mono-black character

Someone_Evil

@AncientSwordRage For what you linked, or what @MikeQ was referencing? (I tried to respond to the latter)

AncientSwordRage

@Someone_Evil ahh what I linked

I see where I got confused

Someone_Evil

Ah, no worries :)

kviiri

10:55 AM

I like designing new card games using the standard 52 deck (plus maybe jokers)

I'm a bit sad people don't play cards like they used to, because the deck is a massively deep well of games of so many kinds

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri I love a good traditional card game

kviiri

My personal favorite is Kasino which is a Finnish variation of the Swedish game Mulle which in turn derives from Cassino

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri do tell

MikeQ

@Someone_Evil I think cards were drawn via draft rules, rather than as preconstructed decks.

kviiri

@AncientSwordRage The game begins with four cards per player (usually two or three players) and four on table. The players take turns playing a single card each until their hands are exhausted, after which they are dealt four new cards each, etc until the deck is empty and all cards have been played.

MikeQ

11:03 AM

Are there any other rules, or is the point of the game simply to exhaust the deck one card at a time?

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri how is it scored?

kviiri

Playing a card can go in two ways: taking a trick from the table or leaving a card on the table. A trick involves collecting any cards whose pips sum to the pips of the played card, eg. when playing a King one could pick up a ten and a three. Multiple pick-ups are allowed but each card is only counted once, eg. if there'd be two threes and a ten I couldn't pick up both of the threes with a king

The other way, generally used only when pick-up is not possible, is leaving the played card on the table to be used in future picks by oneself or other players.

AncientSwordRage

so do you leave the king on the table, or do you just reveal it?

kviiri

@AncientSwordRage If taking a trick, it's put in the score deck as a part of the trick

Scoring is by cards earned (most cards owned gives 1 point, most spades owned gives two points) and special cards (aces are 1 point each, deuce of spades is one point, ten of diamonds is two points)

Special cards have different values in different situations: when taking a trick with an ace, its value is fourteen, but when taking a trick involving an ace on the table, it counts as one. Similarly, two of spades is fifteen when playing it and two on the table, and 10 of diamonds is sixteen when playing, ten on the table.

Fully clearing the table with a single trick gives one an additional point, and the person who scores the last trick before the round ends (all cards played, deck exhausted) has the remaining cards included in their scoring

I think that's the comprehensive rules. One detail I forgot is typically the same person goes first for the entire deck

It's a fun game, nice blend of strategy and some chance. Plus it's fast to play

AncientSwordRage

It sounds like the sort of game that rewards understanding the rules

They tend to end up as more niche games I think, as rewarding as they are to play

I'd definitely play it if it was offered

kviiri

11:21 AM

It's not too complex, aside from the special cards but you get the hang of them after the first round or so

My usual hobby is teaching people, sometimes strangers, to play it and then lose

MikeQ

How about a game where you try to guess the card before drawing it. If you're incorrect, you reshuffle the deck and start over.

The point of the game is to convince other people that the game is fun.

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Can conflicting descriptions of the recent past be handled better than GM fiat?

I've been having a problem in RPGs lately where participants, myself included, have radically different ideas about what just happened on a basic factual level. For example, in a recent Pokémon RPG where I am a player, a significant conversation was had amongst the players and an NPC about wheth...

gm-techniques system-agnostic

Medix2

11:57 AM

@ThomasMarkov It would probably be worth tacking on all the mind control abilities in that hypnosis answer

But also *grumble grumble* "What save do you make against hypnosis" and "What save do you make against hypnosis according to the rules" being two different questions... :(

Thomas Markov

Eh, I think I'd prefer to Occam's Razor the answer.

OP asked for hypnosis, I gave them exactly that. I dont want to presume that mind control fits into what theyre asking for too.

Also that exapnds the scope of examples enormously, probably.

I also expected the feywild plants question to be hopeless, but I found an example.

Medix2

12:37 PM

@ThomasMarkov Makes sense. FWIW the Enchantment Wizard's Hypnotic Gaze feature is also a Wisdom save as is the hypnotic pattern spell

Thomas Markov

@Medix2 I added in hypnotic pattern

doppelgreener

12:53 PM

@kviiri well like, we'll still play cards, just that we now have the option of playing smash bros instead

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov why does it charm them, then incapacitate them? I'm guessing as a shortcut to letting anyone immune to charm be immune to the effects of the spell?

doppelgreener

@kviiri if we keep starring things eventually we'll reach 12345 stars

AncientSwordRage

We'll stop when we have more stars than the observable universe

MikeQ

Someone will say "Hey look we have 12345 stars", and then that will get starred, raising the count to 12346

doppelgreener

@AncientSwordRage that's a lot

@MikeQ lol

AncientSwordRage

12:57 PM

@doppelgreener yup

nitsua60

1:07 PM

@MikeQ Hey, look: we have 11119 stars!

Thomas Markov

12321 is a more interesting number

its a palindrome

AND it means weve reached 111 stars 111 times

MikeQ

Can an aarakocra be based on a goose, or would that be too powerful? Discuss.

Thomas Markov

Depends

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ Honk

Thomas Markov

Canada Goose? OP.

But on the other hand, you definitely dont want to have a problem with canada gooses.

Id allow it.

You got a problem with Canada gooses, you got a problem with me. I suggest you let that one marinate.

AncientSwordRage

1:13 PM

@ThomasMarkov mmmm marinated goose

AncientSwordRage

1:27 PM

Hey, I did a homebrew-review question :D

Medix2

Melee power word kill hmmm... I know one example but gotta find more

Rubiksmoose

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A: What does 'StackExchange' mean?

Stack Exchange is the short form of "Stack Overflow Knowledge Exchange Platform", which was the original name of the platform. This is officially confirmed by Joel Spolsky in this comment: that was a typo on the Fog Creek site; It was actually Stack Overflow Knowledge Exchange shortened to "Stac...

TIL

Medix2

@Rubiksmoose I was so scared that was gonna be some really long thing for STACK EXCHANGE

Rubiksmoose

lol

BESW

@Medix2 Stubborn Techbros Assume Charity and Kindness EXtraneous to Content, Harangue All Newcomers to Generate Earnings

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goodguy5

1:46 PM

@ThomasMarkov I'd like to raise a motion to burn the witch.

doppelgreener

@Medix2 it crossed my mind that just stabbing someone will reduce them to 0 hit points under the right circumstances, but that's definitely outside the spirit of what they're asking about

Medix2

@doppelgreener It's questions like that where I don't know whether answers should just incorporate what other answers said...

BESW

KorvinStarmast

2:03 PM

@MikeQ yes (or at least he should)

goodguy5

@MikeQ A goose should be fine but swans would be an epic monster

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 please do

I wrote the question on the fly, but still tried to balance

I'm not sure if the current power level criticism doesn't also apply to sleep. If it (sleep) just did 5d8 damage is it much different?

the feedback on wording thing ambiguously is spot on though

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage wall of fired does 5d8 damage... half for a save... level 4 spell. Sleep is level 1.

no save on sleep ...

AncientSwordRage

@KorvinStarmast but NathanS' criticism is that once they're out for the count you can kill them in one hit out of combat

Thomas Markov

2:18 PM

@AncientSwordRage did you intend to still make an attack roll?

AncientSwordRage

With the Sleep spell, you get 5d8 hp of creature -> combat over -> crit them

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage yes

and their allies can wake them up ...

AncientSwordRage

@KorvinStarmast it's the same for sleep though

Thomas Markov

As it currently reads, it seems you should be rolling d20s.

KorvinStarmast

eb don't cost a spell slot ... not sure this is a good idea ...

Thomas Markov

2:19 PM

when you cast EB, rolls twice as many dice

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage I think you need to play test this.

Thomas Markov

first thing you roll with EB is d20

it should read "when you hit"

AncientSwordRage

I should have been explicit as to it keeping an attack roll (@ThomasMarkov) and that like sleep the allies can wake them up (@KorvinStarmast)

@ThomasMarkov thats how it reads yes

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage suggest that you edit that in, I think it will improve the question.

Thomas Markov

@KorvinStarmast agree

AncientSwordRage

2:20 PM

@KorvinStarmast I'm reluctant to edit it and invalidate an answer, but it is needed

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage Nathan can edit the answer ... I can drop a comment to check the edited question

@AncientSwordRage have you thought through the 'critical hit' matter of an attack with eb on how many sleep dice are involved?

Rolling a 20 means damage dice are doubled. are sleep dice doubled?

AncientSwordRage

@KorvinStarmast added in to my edit

> ### Eldritch Slumber
>
> *Prerequisites:* [eldritch blast][2] *cantrip*
>
> When you cast _eldritch blast_, instead of rolling 1d10 per beam, you make any spell attacks as normal and roll 2d10 per beam (plus any additional modifiers from additional abilities or critical hits). Rather than deal damage, the number rolled per beam is instead the number of hit points of creatures that beam can affect. You may target the same creature with additional beams, but the effects do not stack.
>
> All affected creatures are rendered unconscious, until a number of rounds have passed equal to your char…

Better?

Yuuki

2:40 PM

Hmm... I do like the idea of invocations changing Eldritch Blast completely as opposed to just tacking on extra effects. If you look past the mechanics, it makes it seem like Warlocks have more spell diversity.

Medix2

@Yuuki I know somebody had a homebrew-review on making new shapes for the spell like radius explosion, line, and cone

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 thats cool

@Yuuki thats the idea

doppelgreener

2:59 PM

I have just learned about Chesterton's Fence.

AncientSwordRage

> The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it

I love it already

Medix2

@doppelgreener A debate class I took talked about that a lot

doppelgreener

I appreciate that it does not require the original purpose to have been remotely reasonable. For example, removing the inability for a certain part of the population to vote does not have to have any good reason.

Meanwhile, I think of a current case unfolding in the US system: Native American families are given preference to adopting Native American children in adoption processes. The lawsuit alleges this is discriminatory, and it may seem to be, but it is there to prevent the destruction of Native American culture via the tactics many countries have actually used—adopt the indigenous kids into white families to disrupt the ability to pass down generational cultural knowledge.

AncientSwordRage

@doppelgreener It does have the issue of the worse or more obscure the initial decision, the harder it is to reverse

You could end up with a metaphorical maze of fences

doppelgreener

(big article about it here for those interested in the lawsuit I just brought up: How a white evangelical family could dismantle adoption protections for Native children)

@AncientSwordRage Yes, that's true.

AncientSwordRage

3:09 PM

Interesting

I was thinking this was to do with removing the protection from questions (the fence) without understanding why it was protected

doubly relevant

Strawman Argument:

> the only explanation is that we don’t have the right color of skin

Medix2

3:26 PM

Aaaand now I'm thinking about court cases I probably shouldn't mention here (they make me sad and angry)

AncientSwordRage

@Pureferret Hmm, well at minimum, making it a "once per short or long rest" invocation would go a long way, since then it's not much different from just casting sleep regarding resources, it's at worst like you have a free spell slot, but one that can only be used for sleep. You can still do all the things that my answer says it can do, but it now costs something, so you've got to be a bit more thoughtful as to when you use it. I'm not sure if that's enough, but I think that would go a long way... In fact, this reminds me of stuff like "bewitching blast" from 3.5e (by which I mean NWN2)... — NathanS 18 mins ago

It's an interesting change

makes me wonder if it's more useful to make an invocation that gives a buffed sleep instead of relying on EB

AncientSwordRage

3:42 PM

But that risks treading more on the toes of the Feylock

GcL

@gszavae Any number of moving parts could be the cause of friction. A good design choice one day can be a terrible friction point later on. Also, dev time is usually a very limited resource.

AncientSwordRage

@GcL and getting it right so that it supports future changes is even harder

Hot RPG Questions

4:22 PM

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Q: What is the significance of monster subtypes?

A number of subtype tags are added after some monsters' general classification. With the exception of Shapechanger and a few other specific exceptions these tags are linked to a particular monster type. For example Fiends as classification sometimes have the subtypes Devil, Demon, and Yugoloth in...

dnd-5e monsters

Thomas Markov

4:43 PM

In this question, it is really guessing the system to say its 5e?

They stated they are playing a character "from [a 5e book]".

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov it's not guessing

given it only exists in 5e

Thomas Markov

Explorer's Guide to Wildemount

Medix2

"Is '5e' a clear enough statement of game system by a question asker?"

Thomas Markov

k but EGtW is dnd-5e book, ad they said they were playing that book.

Medix2

Questions quoting paragraphs of text, precisely naming features, or mentioning "AL" have been closed in the past

AncientSwordRage

4:48 PM

@Medix2 that doesn't mean they should be from now on

Thomas Markov

Maybe we should change the name.

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage Whether that should change should be discussed in Meta nor applied without prior discussion

Thomas Markov

I think calling it a "guess" is usually a bad idea.

or at least, not accurate.

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 I thought the conclusion was we couldn't guess

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov Fully agreed which is why I try to say "The current policy dictates that we cannot add a system tag without complete and explicit confirmation from the asker"

AncientSwordRage

4:50 PM

I'm saying, as per meta consensus, this is not a guess

Thomas Markov

@Medix2 GcL just added the tag.

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov I flagged it

Thomas Markov

So ive saw a post one time that explicitly mentioned two dnd-5e books as source for the content, and the reason given for why it was a guess was literally "there could be other systems with books of the same name"

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov Alternatively, they could think they're playing 4e and using books for the wrong edition (I'm told this has happened)

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov I did a google, nothing non-DND came up

@Medix2 it seems too much of an edge case, and regardless a 5E answer could still be relevant

Medix2

4:54 PM

A Meta post on a question that (to me) feels especially non-guess-like: "What qualifies as guessing on a system?"

Thomas Markov

@AncientSwordRage well yeah, cuz Explorer's Guide to Wildemount is trademarked.

AncientSwordRage

Explorer's Guide to Wildemount (tm) you mean

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage And it's also policy (or at least common procedure) that answers to questions without a specified system (where having a system tag is meaningful to the question) are not answers and should be deleted

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 that I can get behind though

Thomas Markov

ive half a mind to come up with a question using material and mechanics from every sourcebook and never stating its dnd5e.

except make it a post on meta, make it read like it should be on main, except at the very end, the question is "is this guessing".

How about this: Let x=25. I am playing DND x^(1/2) edition. Is it guessing to say dnd 5e even though I could mean dnd -5 e?

Medix2

5:00 PM

This question is also one I usually point to as "yeah... policy"

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 Unity domain only exists in DnD-5e

(afaik, but that's mostly provable)

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage Agreed, and here's a Meta post on that question. There are two competing answers

Thomas Markov

@AncientSwordRage Its not provable. There could always be some obscure system youve never heard of that has a Unity Domain. The thing about sourcebooks is that their titles are trademarked and actually verifiably unique.

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov true...

Bardic Wizard

What about sourcebooks like the Player’s Handbook? Those aren’t unique titles.

Medix2

5:05 PM

@ThomasMarkov Except that doesn't stop people from using the wrong books apparently

Thomas Markov

@BardicWizard Yeah, I get that.

AncientSwordRage

> My feeling on this is that we are not modrons or androids or maruts. People come to SE to get expert advise. And as an 'expert', "I understand the question when I read it" (Jacobellis v. Ohio).

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage If only it worked like that

Thomas Markov

Did yall see the ace attorney meme on r/dndmemes?

I kinda want to make one about guessing the system here

See here: reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/hr5b4f/…

Its brilliant.

Medix2

FWIW I've written about why I didn't see problems with the policy in the past, but since then I've seen it cause confusion, disagreement, and annoyance in new users and situations like this. I would be happy to see it change (yay data collection) but the most recent Meta voted in favor of maintaining the policy

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5:11 PM

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Q: Preparing for so many quests on Dragon of Icespire peak

I am about to start Dragon of Icespire peak, and I'm a bit uncertain on how I should prepare for it: I read Slyflourish's tips for DoIP, and I'm aware of some of its pitfalls, including low leveled characters, etc. What I'm wondering is, how in a practical sense do you prepare for the optional qu...

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HellSaint

You can disagree with the policy as much as you want, but don't go on individual level trying to enforce a policy change. Meta is there.

Thomas Markov

@HellSaint yeah weve been talking about that for a bit now.

HellSaint

@Medix2 It doesn't. We have had people using books from wrong editions, which explains why they were so confused about how it works, but if we just guessed they were using the right book in the right system, then the question would be trivially answered by re-reading the book. Since it was a different system, we actually had to explain that, well, the book was for a different system and adapting it to the system they were playing was another problem

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov That was wonderfully entertaining

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov I'm going to guess thats a DnD-5e meme

Thomas Markov

5:13 PM

@AncientSwordRage Nah, Player's Handbook isnt a unique title

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov Objection!

Medix2

@HellSaint Yeah I know it has happened, though I don't know how frequently nor do I have a way of measuring the harm caused by rightly closing those questions to the harm (confusion) caused by closing questions screaming 5e-dnd... It's impossible to know and one reason I'd be happy to see the policy change but will enforce it since it hasn't

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 I'm not certain why it doesn't

(I mean in terms of policy setting, not in terms of bypassing)

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage I'll grab... like six links I think

HellSaint

@Medix2 In general we think there is no harm done in closing questions.

Medix2

5:18 PM

@HellSaint I believed that until I saw it causing harm

HellSaint

If the asker doesn't come back to edit the question, then he wasn't going to come back to see the answer.

If there is anyone else with the same problem, they can ask a new question.

Properly stating the system, I mean.

AncientSwordRage

We have similar issues with Story-ID over at sci-fi

If a user doesn't accept the answer, we can't assume another similar question is a duplicate of it

@HellSaint if that happens

and if it does, and we get the old OP of the 1st Q coming back ang correctly tagging, do we now close one as a dupe, or merge Q?

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage If the old OP re-asked with a system tag, you'd just edit the old post and delete the new one (or just delete the old one)

Thomas Markov

Legit question now: how long do I have to wait before I just repost the question myself and tag it myself

HellSaint

@AncientSwordRage Close as dupe.

Medix2

5:22 PM

@ThomasMarkov THIS (I have this same question)

HellSaint

@ThomasMarkov You shouldn't ask questions on other people behalf, but if you really want to, you can do it right now.

Thomas Markov

@HellSaint it was more a question of principle than a statement of intent

HellSaint

If you are also playing a 8th level Chronurgy wizard with a bard that tried to use Id insinuation, go on :P

Medix2

@HellSaint Huh? But only one question has the system tagged? Do you mean to add the system tag and close the old one as a dupe of the new one?

HellSaint

@Medix2 The question was if the older question, which now has been edited to have a system tag, has the same system tag as the new question

Thomas Markov

5:24 PM

@Medix2 OBJECTION!

Medix2

@HellSaint Hmmm I don't see that, but that's probably me not comprehending things again

AncientSwordRage

OP1 post with no system tag (gets closed)
OP2 posts with system tag (gets answer)
OP1 comes back and edits a system tag into their old Q (it's reopened)
OP2 has their question closed as a dupe of OP1's Q

HellSaint

@AncientSwordRage yeap.

Thomas Markov

@AncientSwordRage that seems backwards to how it should be tbh

HellSaint

oh

OP1 has their question closed*

Thomas Markov

5:26 PM

unless OP2 was "tag sniping"

AncientSwordRage

@HellSaint I fixed

@ThomasMarkov who would do that?

HellSaint

@AncientSwordRage I mean, I would close the question from OP1 as dupe of OP2.

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage If two questions are the same and only one has answers, leave that one open and close the one that has no answers. If they both have answers, either close one or merge them

HellSaint

Because question from OP2 actually was made earlier with the proper system, and probably is the one that got answers already, if any

Thomas Markov

@HellSaint this feels right to me.

AncientSwordRage

5:29 PM

yeah, if we're strict on deleting answers to unclearly tagged Qs

Medix2

Now I'm just wondering whether every single tool-recommendation question (there's only 20 now) should be closed as off-topic :(

AncientSwordRage

what if someone goes and removes a system tag from their own question?

retroactively making it unclear

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage Then the answers would be made invalid meaning either they'd all get deleted (feels unlikely), or they'd be asked to ask a new question with a specified system

HellSaint

@AncientSwordRage we will just rollback it as we would with someone going on and editing the question in a way that it stops making sense.

Or that is a completely different question

Medix2

Oh did "someone" not mean "the OP"? oh no, it definitely did "their own question"

Thomas Markov

5:31 PM

is there a way to filter to all question closed for "needs details"?

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov To re ask with system identified?

Thomas Markov

i can neither confirm nor deny

I was just going to see if there were any actually decent questions that went unanswered for lack of tag.

searching unanswered doesnt include clsoed

AncientSwordRage

@HellSaint I think this is more sensible, and maybe ask the OP to add a new system tag?

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov Unanswered is a search param though

Though questions can also be closed as needing more details and have answers

AncientSwordRage

I can easily imagine someone asking it without a tag, tagging it as like shadowrun-4e then realising they've been playing shadowrun-5e (I think they're similar enough for this example) and just deleting the incorrect tag

Medix2

5:37 PM

@ThomasMarkov Here's the 1600 closed questions with no answers

Thomas Markov

@Medix2 ha, just figured it out right before you posted that

1600, yikes.

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov Here's a much more cut down list of 387

AncientSwordRage

@Medix2 I was almost there too

Medix2

@AncientSwordRage WE CAN USE WILDCARDS?!

HellSaint

@Rubiksmoose rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/10085/43856 - made the question a few secs before your comment :P

AncientSwordRage

5:40 PM

@Medix2 Wild huh

@HellSaint looks like I'm now famous/infamous

I have to dash

but I eagerly await the results

HellSaint

Just realized your nick here in chat and in the main site is different

Why is that? haha

Thomas Markov

@Medix2 nice work, thanks

The Oracle

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Q: Should this question be tagged as D&D5e without OP specifying it?

Straight-forward: this question has caused an edit war and a close-reopen-close war. The argument for tagging and reopening is The splat book only exists in DnD-5e, so it's not guessing – Pureferret Can/should it be tagged as dnd-5e? Related: What qualifies as guessing on a system? When is it ...

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Medix2

Wait the original question only stated "Wildemount"? 0_0

Thomas Markov

damn we really need to relax on editing closed questions lol

so far, on the only candidate for reposting ithe system is totally undiscernable.

Medix2

5:47 PM

I saw one about spells somewhere...

Rubiksmoose

@HellSaint good thinking!

Thomas Markov

Found one, but its a "read my class feature to me" question.

James

Hey, random quick question: The standard lock specifies a DC 15 DEX check to pick it. Is there any standard for the DC of trying to break a lock open?

I'm guessing there isn't, I just wonder if it should be higher or lower than the difficulty of picking it

Thomas Markov

Hey, I found one that could actually be tagged and reopened lol

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov The ones I've found have actually already been re-asked XD

HellSaint

5:55 PM

@James usually the adventure books state this DC in some introductory section

IIRC it is usually around DC 20. But that's from memory so don't take my word for it

Medix2

@James I didn't find anything though there are Manacles (DC 20) and the DMG mentions smashing open a door but doesn't actual give a DC

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