TRPG General Chat

trogdor

00:00

@Ben man you won something in a claw machine? That's actually extremely lucky

Those things are usually rigged as heck

Ben

@trogdor Yeah. We tried to get something on a different machine but we were continually thwarted by its dodgy-ness

trogdor

@Ben also, I assume you mean infinity war, did you like it?

Don't say spoilers obviously, but I can see the answer going either way

Ben

@trogdor In truth, I need to see it again. I got pulled in to it way too hard and it ruined it for me.

trogdor

@Ben because you missed stuff?

Ben

No, I got emotionally invested.

Heavily invested.

trogdor

00:04

I personally would have liked to have better seats for it myself, but I did enjoy it

@Ben ooooooooooh

Ben

I nearly walked out halfway through, not because it was a bad movie, but because it was making me very very angry

trogdor

I see nothing wrong with that, seems like it makes the movie better,.. though I can of course see problems stemming from it

Ben

So yeah, I kinda ruined it for myself haha

trogdor

@Ben oh angry? Wow ok

Ben

Yeah

trogdor

00:06

I figured a few other emotions but didn't think that one

Ben

Hahaha yup.

trogdor

There was a cameo, I won't say what it was because yeah,... Spoilers,.. but it did annoy me

Ben

Eh. Cameos are cameos. They're not meant to be more than just that so I tend to blow past them

trogdor

I have gone to most of the movies and that cameo still made no actual sense to me, so personal annoance and "how do you guys expect the members of the audience who didn't see most of the movies to get this making sense?

To be fair though, not seeing some of the movies might have helped in maybe blowing that cameo off

Ben

Well, that's what the marvel series is all about I suppose. Even from the very get go they intended Ironman to be part of a much larger painting

trogdor

00:10

My beef with it was that it obviously was there for super fans

Which is fine in itself

Ben

Personally though, I haven't seen Black Panther yet.

trogdor

But the way they executed this one made me mad

@Ben it was very good

Ben

But from what I understand, it doesn't provide much to the overall story anyway

trogdor

I loved Black Panther, it's my favorite in the whole franchise so far

Ben

@trogdor Oh fair enough. I do intend to see it eventually. I've seen all of them so far, so I can't let it slide lol

trogdor

00:12

@Ben nope not so far at least, it's kinda an origin story

Even though they technically did that for the main character earlier

@Ben oof, I slipped some of the Thors

And,.... Maybe one or two other things

Ben

@trogdor Which ones?

@trogdor Yeah, that's fair :)

trogdor

Uh the ones I saw were the first one and Then Ragnarok

So no Dark World

Ben

Ok. That's alright. So long as you've seen Ragnarok

Hahaha

trogdor

I dunno if there were others I missed, maybe just that one even

Ragnarok was great

Second favorite for sure

Ben

Agreed. It was an amazingly balanced movie. Good plot, fun, serious, and awesome all in one package :)

trogdor

00:16

I'm glad I can keep saying they are getting better

Ben

Indeed haha

BESW

Taika Waititi even managed to turn Marvel's over-reliance on bathos into something good!

trogdor

Infinity War was not technically better though,... More of a necessary payoff

In my oppinion

@BESW lol

Good for his part at least

Not sure it goes automatically for the rest of it

BESW

I did just see an analysis of Infinity War which really helped tie it together for me, by talking about how a big part of the Marvel film formula success lies in the experience of watching a Marvel film mirrors the experience of the main protagonist, and Infinity War does this too: it's a film about gathering the power to break the physical rules of the film's reality... and in the process the film itself breaks the narrative rules of the franchise.

trogdor

Didn't they kinda make some of the rules themselves at this point?

Ben

00:22

Well, yeah.

trogdor

Anyway, I just worry about stuff going back to status quo later

BESW

Right, but they're rules nonetheless: all the Marvel films have certain narrative touchstones that cement them together, but talking about what they are exactly would be spoilers for Infinity War because of how it subverts them.

Ben

It's a restructure of the Marvel Universe. So they basically rewrote it the way they needed to, to make the narratoves work

trogdor

Yes we have shake ups right now,.... But what About when the current arc is over?

Ben

@trogdor There are more heroes

BESW

00:24

@trogdor The one nice thing about the films over the comics is that eventually the actors will age out of the roles, so status quo is inherently impossible to maintain long-term.

trogdor

Hey if they want to bring new blood in I am all for it

@BESW didn't even think of that one

Very comforting really

Ben

I remember reading one comic (years and years ago) and I just remember seeing all of the superheroes from the MCU all gathered together, in an attempt to try and bypass this... wall... of some kind.

BESW

As for the shakeup of the narrative rules in IW, I'll leave this video for folks to watch, as it's where I got the idea.

@Ben Still not as dumb as Superboy punching the universe until it rebooted.

trogdor

Lol

Ben

@trogdor Fun fact; in one universe, Stark dies, and actually because an AI himself that he simply downloads into whichever suit is needed at the time. He has multiple spanning the galaxy, and is like "Hang on... needed in Asgard"

Then the Suit in Asgard is just like "Sup dudes"

trogdor

00:28

@Ben very silly that

Ben

@BESW Oh indeed. Obviously that plot is very thin (unlike the wall... lol) since it's based on a vague memory of a single issue in a more developed story arc.

trogdor

If nothing else, I see no reason he can't opperate suits in multiple locations at the same time

Ben

Because he's Tony Stark.

There can only be one :P

trogdor

Actually that's a great explanation

You win

Ben

Hahaha

trogdor

00:31

He is an egocentric man indeed

Ben

I liked the way they did that from the get go too; "I am Iron Man". It's true to the character, and it immediately opened it all up to the removal of the secret identity trope

trogdor

Yeah not all superheroes should have one

It does make sense to have one obviously

But for people like him it's not entirely on character

Ben

@trogdor How so?

trogdor

@Ben he wants too much to take credit for his invention to stay anonymous

Ben

@trogdor ...yes. I agree with that. But I don't see how that isn't on character for him?

trogdor

00:38

Even if there was no outside pressure it makes too much sense that he would eventually come out as the guy in the flying mechanical suit

@Ben I think you thought I was saying the opposite of what I was

Ben

I think so haha

trogdor

Sorry

Ben

All good haha.

trogdor

Probably I was too vague and rushed with that

Ben

But yeah, that's the whole idea they went with - in today's day and age, with technology the way it is, it'd be incredibly hard to keep your identity a secret

trogdor

00:41

That too

But it is possible

Especially depending what "superpower" you have

Ben

@trogdor Spider-Man still could have. I mean, I personally don't like the ending of Homecoming for that reason.

Still could have/still has

trogdor

Do you turn into a giant green guy? Chances are that both helps and hurts efforts to stay anonymous

In various ways

@Ben I kinda liked that ending

It said more about the villan than about Spiderman, and I liked that myself

Ben

Oh, no I meant when May busted him

@trogdor But that was awesome. Yeah

trogdor

Oooh

But yeah, basically my idea on that point is,. The main character of a story isn't the only one you should be invested in or learn complicated things about

Homecoming was a weird one, I did like it though

Ben

@trogdor Oh yeah. Honestly, Michael Keaton is an amazing actor, and the reinvention of the vulture was amazing.

The original Vulture was an old Russian dude in a green spandie, that robbed banks.

trogdor

00:48

He was fantastic in it yeah

@Ben yep this made it much less silly

It's definitely still silly, but much less so

Ben

Well, I honestly thought he made way more sense. I mean, he was still a thief, but a smart thief. All his jobs were below the radar; constantly reminding everyone to stay quiet, never going above his paygrade.

Until pushed into desperation, that is

trogdor

I am happy that he had more depth and complexity as a character than most villains are expected to get

Ben

Indeed

trogdor

@Ben yeah typical villains will just go hit whatever makes them the most money or power or wtv

You don't often see them being the who keeps reminding everyone that the only reason they don't get put down is because they don't let anyone know they exist

You see a lot of supervillains running around doing things they would attract way more than too much attention for

Ben

It's probably why Vulture wasn't a big-time villain in the comics, because while, yes, he was always robbing banks, and doing stuff out in the open, he was just in it for money. Now though, I can see him stepping up in the game. He's got the smarts, the motive, and potentially the intent to face up to Spidey as well...

But Spidey isn't the prize.

BESW

00:56

@Ben I think it's interesting how a lot of the cartoons have significantly streamlined Spidey's rogues gallery simply by picking one thing that gave almost all of them their powers/motivations.

Recently it's been the experiment which produced the spider that gave Peter his powers.

Everyone else is connected to that experiment somehow, either involved in its development or trying to steal it for their own uses or being somehow subjected to its effects.

trogdor

@BESW I kinda hate that myself

They really shouldn't be packing tons of people into the same origin story

Ben

@BESW This is the Andrew Garfiled movies right?

BESW

@Ben No, the recent cartoon serieses.

Ben

Ohh right

@BESW zeseseses

trogdor

It's a little too much for me

BESW

00:59

In particular Spectacular Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Spider-Man 2017.

Ben

There's logic there: Spider-Man is effectively undefeated, so "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

BESW

And yeah, it often lands with a thud.

Ben

I read one comic where Otto did that... on a far more direct level

BESW

But for me it's all about execution, I don't see anything wrong with the essential concept of streamlining a show that way.

Ben

He actually transferred his consciousness into Spiderman

trogdor

01:01

I mean, I like his rogues gallery being so large

But,.... Dropping this whole "and I too have this similar thread to your origin story thing!" Speal on all of them kinda makes it repetitive

Ben

The Superior Spider-Man

The Superior Spider-Man was a superhero comic book series that was published by Marvel Comics that ran between January 2013 and June 2014. The series was written by Dan Slott with artwork by Ryan Stegman, Humberto Ramos, and Giuseppe Camuncoli. It features a reformed Otto Octavius who has taken over Peter Parker's body, and, having allowed Peter to die in Octavius' body but being affected by Peter's memories, is determined to be a better Spider-Man than Peter ever was, and a better man than Otto Octavius. The title replaced the long running series The Amazing Spider-Man, after the conclusion of...

@trogdor Yeah. that's not about the characters any more. That's about the origin story at that point

trogdor

Yeah

But also lazy, and boring

BESW

@Ben Well, one of the things I appreciated was that, for example, turning Vulture into one of Otto's attempts to re-created the spider-serum with another animal, gave Peter and Vulture a lot of things to talk about.

trogdor

@BESW and that's cool, but is all of it that good?

My assumption is probably not

BESW

Of course not, but that's still in the execution rather than the concept itself.

Ben

01:06

@BESW Fair point

trogdor

My point is that doing that with every character is not the best

I don't hate the idea if it isn't overused

@BESW true

BESW

I enjoyed both Spectacular and Ultimate, overall. I gave up on 2017 partway through because urgh that is not how anything works, including people.

trogdor

@BESW that's too bad

I did like the one we watched where he was with Sheila and other in training superheroes

Was that ultimate?

(I also hate this naming scheme)

BESW

By contrast, TMNT 2012 basically said "okay, everything is either mutants or ninjas or aliens, and the mutants are caused by the aliens so really everything boils down to aliens or ninjas, and sometimes it will be alien ninjas" and rolled with that as the core origin for everything for almost all of the series. And it worked VERY well.

Yeah, we were watching Ultimate.

trogdor

(they used ultimate and amazing and probably a couple other similar words for Spiderman games I played,... Please stahp XD)

BESW

01:10

@trogdor Ever since Miles really got traction, I've considered even the best versions of Peter to be the Superfluous Spider-Man.

trogdor

Lol

I like Peter, but on that note, I fully agree that a new person with a new story is a good thing

Peter Parker has had pleeeenty of time as Spider Man

In various media

BESW

Ditto Bruce/David Banner, can we please have just Amadeus Cho now?

trogdor

I say give me Miles Morales with Venom already

I want see this thing

@BESW I am fine with this

I know even less about him than miles

BESW

And I'm not excluding Spider-Gwen. Miles and Spider-Grwen are cute when they team up.

trogdor

Which is actually a good thing really, makes him more fresh as a character

Venom Venom Venom

XD

Gooble gobble goo gobble

Jeez nvm fixing that one

Stupid phone

Anyway ( gimme Venom gimme Venom, ) XD

BESW

01:18

@trogdor Miles's mom was killed again during a fight with Flash Thompson's Space Knight Venom a couple years ago.

Well, his alter-mom was killed the first time, after his prime-mom was killed in his backstory? It's confusing, there's alternate universes involved. One of Miles's moms got killed in a fight with Venom, anyway.

And this is the cover of Venom #3 coming out this June:

That's the Eddie Brock Venom:

> Still recovering from his injuries, Eddie Brock – the Wicked Web-Slinger known as VENOM – has to defend NYC against the most powerful foe he’s ever faced! The only thing standing in his way? Miles Morales…SPIDER-MAN! Though Eddie and the symbiote have no qualms with this particular web-slinger, the same can’t be said for Miles’ feelings about Venom…

Ben

In truth, I like Venom. He 's the middle ground between Spider-Man and Carnage

trogdor

@BESW ooooooooooh

@Ben I don't like Carnage myself

BESW

And this is the cover of his show-down with the Thompson Venom:

trogdor

I was interested in him at one point but he doesn't catch me the same way Venom does

BESW

Ben

01:26

@trogdor I do, because he's scary. He's evil, not because hew wants power, or money, or whatever... he does evil stuff because he just wants to.

trogdor

@Ben eh, I prefer my villains less,... Like that

" I just wanna do stuff!" But why though?

BESW

Troggy likes anti-villains with a lot of internal conflict.

Mike Q

@trogdor I too prefer villains that have motives and aren't just evil for evil's sake

trogdor

@BESW they are more relatable or at least understandable

Ben

@trogdor Carnage has no interest in anything, other than himself. He has recruited "teammates", only to kill them later cos it's convenient. He summons demons form the nether realms because it's "fun". Life means nothing to him, and anything else means less.

trogdor

01:30

If a villain does evil stuff just cause, they aren't a character anymore, they are at best a force or plot device

In my opinion at least

Ben

Carnage is the creation of internal conflict, that lost.

trogdor

I won't tell you you can't like him

Ben

Lol. Neither :)

trogdor

He just can't compare for me to Venom

Ben

Yes. Venom is by far more of an interesting character, and Carnage is very simple.

Not going to argue that.

And to clarify, I'm not particularly saying that I like Carnage, as a character. What I like about him is that he scares me. He doesn't care, and he has the power to back that up.

trogdor

01:34

I will say, there is a chance I can be amused by Carnage, if done right

Ben

He doesn't care that pretty much everyone wants to kill him. Because he'll just get them first.

trogdor

But I don't see Carnage as a likely favorite easily

Ben

It's kinda like Pablo Picasso's "Guernica"

Ahhh.... come on

There we go.

People hate this painting. It's disgusting, it's confusing; people don't want to spend the time looking at it.

And that's the whole idea. This painting is meant to depict war. And war is ugly, and confusing. It's meant to depict that

That's why I like Carnage - because he's meant to be scary.

Mike Q

> Because of the time required to load this weapon, you can fire only one piece of ammunition you just caught, as part of a spellcasting focus, such as a holy Symbol, can be used only for the Spells from the back of a Griffon, or a Cleric soaring through the sky on a Pegasus all enjoy the benefits of a well-ordered society.

BESW

01:53

> Griffon-mage. You channel the magical power of your mount to cast spells; while on the back of a trained griffon you can use Lore to cast spells with the create advantage, attack, and overcome actions. Your griffon takes one stress for each spell thus cast (it cannot be prevented).

Mike Q

@BESW thanks for the translation

trogdor

@Ben I like Venom because, at least when done right, he is two characters that look like just one

He has built in internal conflict even if individually they don't

Ben

@trogdor Yeah. I like Venom more for the same reason :)

trogdor

Though ideally they do separately as well

@BESW anyway, I really like this story concept

Great role reversal

At least in writing there

The exact kind if thing I would love to see

As long as the execution is good

Ben

02:14

@trogdor Read "Superior Spider-Man"

trogdor

that's a good one then?

Ben

Otto Octavius (Doc Oc) trasnfers his consciousness into Peter Parker's dying body

trogdor

but Venom though? XD

:P

Ben

Peter's consciousness is still there, so Otto has to deal with that, but the entire thing is that he wants to prove that he can be a "Superior" Spider-Man. He basically places himself in Peter's shoes and lives his life, with the intent of doing it better.

So it's Otto's envy of Peter being the superior being, but Otto's superior mind (focus, etc), and the conflict between Peter's and Otto's sense of "right and wrong"

trogdor

ah

I thought it was Otto with just Peter memories

much better description that

Ben

02:26

@trogdor sorta kinda...

not really lol

trogdor

mk

Ben

Side note @daze413 @miniman, I am good for Friday this week :)

BESW

03:13

A friend's Fate game has a character with a Crazy Conspiracy Wall Web, and stunts that give him bonuses to figure out off-the-wall things while using it.

So I offered this:

> Field crazy. When you are away from your Conspiracy Web, you can take five minutes of concentrated action to re-create a portion of the Web using nearby objects. Declare one topic that the Web depicts; you can use Web stunts for that topic until the end of the scene.

trogdor

03:25

lol

BESW

04:20

to comply with GDPR, as of May 25th, I will no longer be remembering anybody’s name, face or personal details without their explicit consent ...phew, finally a viable excuse

Tweeted by ticky on May 11, 2018 at 5:53 PM

trogdor

04:42

lol

that is a great excuse

doppelgreener

10:10

@BESW You know how you've been interested in playing Fate with aspect-only gameplay? I'm interested to see how you'll feel about Cortex's resolution mechanics when we get to playing, because I think it'll do something sorta like that.

When you roll, you pick a couple of character traits and a couple of skills and roll the dice corresponding to each of them.

There's a section of the character sheet that behaves like aspects. For those traits, you pick one and say it'll either help or hinder you doing the thing. If it helps you, it contributes an average die to the roll, a d8. If it hinders you, it contributes a d4 to the roll, which increases chance of serious story complications in exchange for you getting a Plot Point, which is like a Fate point.

(story complications occur on rolling a 1, and a d4 has a higher chance of getting a 1 than any other die, so d4s are usually undesirable.)

BESW

Faith Corps borrows that basic mechanic, but uses a kind of skill/approach combination thing.

Like this:

For each action, you pick one from the first column and one from the second, and roll those dice.

doppelgreener

10:36

That makes sense.

For Marvel, characters have Affiliations (solo, buddy, or team), Distinctions, Powers, and Specialities. Specialities are skills, Distinctions are aspects, and you assign a d6, d8 and d10 between your affiliations. (Wolverine has a d10 in Solo because he's best working alone, Captain America has a d10 in Team because he's at his best when he's working with others.)

kviiri

12:13

Phew, such heat

We tried to go hiking yesterday but it was so hot we just sat on some rocks in the shade and grilled us some food

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener Well, I guessed wrongly on all three homebrews. Glad we got clarification. (The one from D&D beyond looks interesting, and to me fits the 5e Warlock flavor nicely)

Ethereal Warlock...

goodguy5

12:30

Good Morning, Nerds!

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast hooray! \o/

trogdor

@goodguy5 ?sdren gninrom doog

XD :P

goodguy5

P: DX

trogdor

lol

goodguy5

🔨 nailed it

doppelgreener

12:31

homebrew ID conjecture: the more homebrews we find that look like they're what someone is using, the less likely we've found the right one.

goodguy5

@doppelgreener wait what

doppelgreener

@goodguy5 someone mentioned they were using a homebrew ethereal archetype. we asked them to link which one, and in the meantime Korvin found several, and the querent was using a different one entirely. :)

trogdor

oh wow

doppelgreener

(Lemony Snickett: here "conjecture" means a suggestion there's a natural law that is followed, based only on gut feeling which is almost certainly wrong.)

goodguy5

oh interesting

ha ha

I love that show. never read the books, so I can only pose conjecture on how similar it is to the show

doppelgreener

12:34

same. :) i am up to the last episode of season 2.

trogdor

@BESW huh,.... why is it using those dice instead of Fudge dice?

goodguy5

*faith corps (I did the same thing)

trogdor

man I just couldn't watch that show with the promise that nothing will get better

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener What's even neater is that my first few pages of google search didn't identify a D&D beyond .... in part because I may have used search terms that didn't help me. I need to be a bit more discerning in my use of search terms

goodguy5

12:46

oh man... I might try to write something for that 200-word game contest.

I've always wanted to make a d12 game

alternatively, d4 based

but d12s are better soo....

Baskakov_Dmitriy

D10 is love, I say, D10 is life

goodguy5

there are enough d10 systems

you're lucky I don't make it a d5 system

Baskakov_Dmitriy

Well, granted that you have a bunch of D10, converting them to D5 is not too hard

You can think about D24

Which would require you to roll a D12 and a coin

Or two D12

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast google fu is difficult. one thing i've learned is always start off describing exactly what i want, and only then if that fails begin scaling back to more general stuff.

(even then however, "ethereal warlock archetype D&D 5e" still doesn't get me that page)

goodguy5

@Baskakov_Dmitriy I have a d24

one of my favorite dice

SPavel

12:55

What? The 200 word RPG is coming up again? I feel like the previous one just ended...

I guess I'm getting old

goodguy5

200 words is a lot more than I thought it was.

It's like three full rambling paragraphs

SPavel

I'd be impressed by a tweet-long RPG

goodguy5

that's kind of what my mind was envisioning

I opened up a word counter, just to test it. it's like 1000 characters. (a bit over, actually)

and that's with several "words" being "d12" or "d10"

SPavel

Laconic, the RPG

Baskakov_Dmitriy

13:17

Dice: The Falling, a new White Wold RPG (no)

SPavel

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Not Dice: the Rolling?

Derpy

@SPavel that's the expansion set.

goodguy5

1. is that hormonal teenager question off topic?

2. is there anything hormonal teenagers can do to stop being hormonal teenagers?'

SPavel

@goodguy5 Get older

goodguy5

fair point

Derpy

13:19

(obviously followed by "Dice III: the Loading")

goodguy5

and a canonical setting book
Dice: The Tower

Derpy

mumble.... now you remind me something... Wait a second..

yep.

Collectible DICES games. That's an actual thing

SPavel

Uhhh yeah

Like the totally original game Dungeon Dice Monsters

That is completely unrelated to, and is not an IP violation of, the distinct game Duel Monsters

Derpy

I think the one I posted had WotC involved somehow, but I'm not sure

that said, not my thing.

That said, I could try and pick up this

> Cats of Catthulhu Book I: The Nekonomikon

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 I'm not so sure it is off topic.

goodguy5

13:33

well, that's just adorable derpy

@Rubiksmoose that's fine. it can always be reopened.

doppelgreener

FYI:

Folks, a question being on-topic for another SE site doesn't make it off-topic here. Nor are RPG interpersonal questions off-topic here because there's an interpersonal site. — doppelgreener ♦ 53 secs ago

Please don't vote to close interpersonal questions as off topic.

goodguy5

okay, no more voting to close from me, then.

another "feature" I won't use

my apologies, heir doppel

doppelgreener

That's up to you, man.

goodguy5

no, "man". You're always on my case about misusing the site's features.

what else am I supposed to think? I don't know if I've offended you in some way, but it was unintentional.

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 Well one thing to always remember that a large part of RPG problems will always be interpersonal problems at least in part. They are intricately linked.

goodguy5

13:37

it does often handle issues of group dynamics, but it's usually further steeped in the game itself imo and in my experience.

"one of my players won't play nice with party"
vs
"Jeff keeps trying to take his wang out when he comes over for game night"

SPavel

@goodguy5 Who is doppel heir to?

doppelgreener

I came into chat to bring it back to community attention (not yours alone) because this is maybe the fourth time in recent memory that a question's been closed as off topic because it's interpersonal (despite those not being off topic). I didn't post that here to bring it to your attention specifically or to get on your case.

SPavel

@goodguy5 You are allowed to use site features however you want; hell you could VtC every question on the site

doppelgreener

I don't recall who's been involved in previous closures.

SPavel

@doppelgreener Is that not something that the community decides, to a certain extent?

KorvinStarmast

13:38

@doppelgreener We need to reopen that question, it's duped to the wrong question. This one has a specific case, teen/pre teen, and the linked question is not from that scope/pov.

I was in the middle of an answer aimed at that particular age group. (And any teacher who has run the game with students will have expertise in this area; I think we have a few here)

Also, the linked dupe is a player gripe, not a DM trying to get the game untracked.

doppelgreener

@SPavel Yes, but something like declaring interpersonal questions off topic is done via meta discussion. They're by canonical policy on topic, by both regular community affirmation and precedent.

KorvinStarmast

Table Top RPG's are inherently social activities, and involve social and interpersonal things.

doppelgreener

The community can change the guiding principle there and can enforce the guiding principle, but changing a guiding principle like that via just voting to close individual questions as off topic isn't the right way to go about it.

goodguy5

I cast a VtC because it seems like it has nothing to do with gaming, imo

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 I really wouldn't feel bad, we all make "mistakes" on the site and the mods and more experienced members' job is to help teach others how things are done and have that discussion.

SPavel

13:41

Eh, I would consider the opposite to be true: the thing that the community does is the right thing to do, and if you have a problem with that, raise it in Meta and convince people not to do it

goodguy5

but if Korvin has an answer and our goal is to provide answers to all askers, then so be it.

Helwar

@goodguy5 It has to do, RPGs are Interpersonal by nature and he's asking to fix his game. How can it not be on topic?

Rubiksmoose

@SPavel +1. Was in the middle of typing the same thing.

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 You are wrong about that; it is indeed to do with RPG gaming on a table top with other people.

goodguy5

holy hell

SPavel

13:42

@goodguy5 There is nothing wrong with casting a VtC that isn't backed by anyone else

That's why it takes 5 and not 1 to close

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 SPavel is right about that.

Derpy

@KorvinStarmast didn't Hero Quest had some "single player" rules for "random generation"? (ok, technically that is not a "table top RPG" but...)

Helwar

@goodguy5 excuse me, you are not "wrong", I think the conclusion is wrong. Don't want to be rude to you

doppelgreener

@goodguy5 For what it's worth I haven't been trying to be on your case at all. I'm sorry if I've been doing something that comes across that way. You haven't done anything to offend me. You're a regular community member I hold in good esteem.

goodguy5

@doppelgreener okay, thanks Doppel. It just felt that way to me. I feel like every week, I'm using some feature and getting told I'm doing it wrong.

KorvinStarmast

13:43

@Derpy My long term memory cells on that one are corrupted, methings. :(

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast you have to stop meth, then

KorvinStarmast

An 8th grade DM who needs help running his game needs our help, not a stiff arm. Oh, my form of meth is coffee, and that was supposed to be methinks.

@goodguy5 Anyway, I voted to reopen. I believe we have a number of answerers, not just me, who can help this DM with this social situation that occurs during their game.

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast the VtC as Opinion-Based are what confuses me

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 You are not alone. That can be a very tricky thing to suss out IMO

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 Me too. Seems to be a moving target, but as noted above, it is why it usually takes 5 votes to close something. ....

Rubiksmoose

13:47

I think if we are going to get any answers the comments need to be cleaned up.

From OP I mean. Since it is closed as unclear right now.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@Derpy Dice: The Rolling 20th Anniversary Edition

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Yeah. The question is very much group dynamics, sub set teen/preteen, that lovely awkward age we all have to go through in our lives.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

A game where you roleplay throwing dice and throw dice to check if you throw dice successfully

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast I mean I didn't but that was because of that cursed item I stole from a wizard

Baskakov_Dmitriy

About this question about group dynamics -- I think, it would benefit much from an answer from an actual teenager who has solved this problem in some way.

Helwar

13:57

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Not me then. I'm a 32yo adult and still have problems keeping my player's attention :P

Rubiksmoose

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Oh that is a nice thought. I certainly think it would. I'm not sure that any of our regulars are though unfortunately.

doppelgreener

Ok, that interpersonal question's been reopened.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

I will poke my friend who is a psychologist and also a D*D player.

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