TRPG General Chat

NautArch

00:00

@MikeQ all work and no play makes @MikeQ a dull boy

next thing you know, you'll be chopping down a door with an axe

Shalvenay

@NautArch -- will you be available to play 45mins to 1h from now?

NautArch

yeah - can play for a couple hours

until 11PM Eastern

Shalvenay

@NautArch okiedokie

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hiya

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 what's up?

nitsua60

00:10

@Manner you around? Sorry--just back after a dinner. I'm on for the next few hours if you're interested in homebrew/balance thoughts.

@Shalvenay Study hall duty.

You?

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 NM here, wondering if someone wishes to stand in for MikeQ and finish the playtest him, NautArch, and I had started tonight

The Oracle

0

Q: Encouraging positive thought out answers rather than starting with "No"

A negative trend As a new member of the community, I am concerned by a trend I have seen in the tenor of answers on this site. Some of the answers are pure gold, and while I suppose it is somewhat expected that such answers would be rare (like gold itself) I fear that many of the answers could ...

Manner

00:43

@nitsua60 hey there, I really need some help with those homebrews

nitsua60

@Manner I'm here! So are smarter people!

=)

First question: why are you worried? What do you see going wrong if you somehow "mess up" with these items?

(I.e. what are you trying to avoid?)

Manner

Future exploits mostly, for now they don't have much game breaking spells, but this can change quickly

NautArch

@Manner Can I ask a clarifying question?

Shalvenay

hey there @THiebert

Manner

Sure

NautArch

00:48

I'm assuming this is about this question?

nitsua60

But what happens if something turns out to be overpowered? Could the group just have a discussion around "hey, I think this is getting out of hand, let's rein it in..."?

THiebert

can you save messages in here?

Manner

Yeah, that question

Shalvenay

@THiebert there's the starboard, why?

nitsua60

@THiebert you can link to individual messages, or you can create a link to a conversation. What're you looking to do?

NautArch

00:49

and in this case, one of your players GM'd for a couple of sessions and handed out a bunch of homebrewed items?

Miniman

@THiebert They're all saved, whether you like it or not :P

THiebert

I think i had something a few weeks ago that I tried to save and i want to find it again

Manner

Yeah, they aren't jerks, if something feels way too overpowered they'll agree to change

NautArch

@Manner Heh, didn't think they were. Do you often hand out magic items?

Manner

@NautArch that's right, the armor is also a perfect fit for his character.

nitsua60

00:51

@Manner Then my best advice would be to say "buddies, I'm not sure about some of these. But if you like them let's try them with the proviso that we might have to re-think it. And here's how we'll decide that the re-think has to happen."

(Or "how do you think we should decide whether to re-think them?")

Manner

No, I'm pretty strict with them, I'm DMing for the first time, so I'm being extra cautious not to handle too much stuff for them

THiebert

@nitsua60 I think you were involved. it was about planning out weather and encounters in ToA before you begin. can't remember if it was in here or the ToA channel

trogdor

@THiebert the two closest things to saving something in chat are the star bar and perma linking. I reccomend keeping a permalink if the saving you want to do is just for your personal use

NautArch

@Manner I may be overreacting, but it seems that while not actively being jerks, some advantage was taken of with the power they were given. I think you can start off with @nitsua60's suggestion, but you are going to have to build much harder encounters to counter the newfound homebrew items. You're kind of in a catch-22 here :(

THiebert

I thought I grabbed a link, but I'm not sure it was on this computer.

nitsua60

00:53

@Manner that said there are items that raise an eyebrow for me. And if you want to share that with the players, we can go through those.

Manner

I gave them a lot of attribute points instead, I wanted them to feel like they're powerful and they shouldn't depend too much on magic items

Shalvenay

@THiebert -- are you going to be around for the next couple of hours?

THiebert

no, starting a game in ~10 minutes

trogdor

@THiebert ah well if you remember what It was and who said it / posted it you can search it

THiebert

or when the pizza gets here

Shalvenay

00:55

@THiebert aaah :) I see

nitsua60

@THiebert I'm not seeing anything here. I base mine off of Guam's historical data (Sep-Dec of 2016), if you're curious.

Manner

I know that some items ARE way too powerful, the items were handed at the end of the session, no one used them yet so I think it's best to balance them before there's a problem

nitsua60

@Manner IMO the big one is the dagger.

First off, there's no indication of when Stunned ends. Stunned is huge. Second, it's a lot of complexity, and it's not clear what-all that much complexity is getting you.

NautArch

@nitsua60 For me, it's the dagger, the bow, the mantle, and the plate

nitsua60

(Dagger, staff, mantle, for me.)

I'm going to harp a little more on "needless complexity": in a couple of places you've got ones with different attack and damage bonuses, and it's not clear what that gets you. "Flavor" isn't enough, in my book.

The dagger doing 1d3 damage. Why? Is the 0.5 damage difference worth remembering that there's this one dagger that does d3 rather than the d4 that every other dagger in the world does?

Doubling modifiers rather than doubling dice... again we're doing something differently than everything else in the game, and it's not clear what it gains you.

@NautArch Personally I'd go ahead and make the bow require attunement and match the attack and damage bonuses (probably at +0) and be tempted to run with it. I'm not too worried about it. But I might be missing something?

trogdor

01:04

@THiebert I see a couple things nitsua said a little bit ago that could be what you are looking for by searching the chat archives for just the word "weather" but I am on my phone and can't copy pasta the perma links

nitsua60

For the mantle, I kinda like the idea of the wizard wading into a mob and self-centering meteor swarm.

NautArch

@nitsua60 I think my concern was a lot of these are giving class abilities out. A single Bardic Inspiration Die isn't much, but it takes away if there is or will be a bard - same with the bear totem-like resistance.

@nitsua60 I love that, but it's also the evocation wizard's schtick.

nitsua60

@NautArch good points, both of them.

NautArch

@nitsua60 @manner that's my biggest issue with them - along with your plan to NOT give stuff out like this this early.

Manner

The bow is going to the bard so I'm not that worried about it, I'm going to make it need atunement and spend the reaction to use it just like an inspiration

nitsua60

01:07

I think overall what bothers me is the complexity of some of them: lots of stuff that seems like it could be achieved in more "standard" ways. And then the non-standard nomenclature/notation makes things seem (to me) like they'll increase cognitive overhead. (Even if I didn't care about balance I'd be bothered by those things.)

Manner

I'm kinda pissed with the armor, he made the armor for his own character...

NautArch

@Manner It seems like the real question is how can you walk this back without insulting him?

nitsua60

Yeah, what're the prospects of hitting the reset button?

NautArch

Oooh! Idea: Why not scale back some of the items (with our help) make it a quest to get ONE of them?

Manner

I made it pretty clear even before he started to DM that everything that is Homebrew is subjected to adjustments

So I'm kinda safe here

NautArch

01:11

Based on what you've said, you aren't playing in a high-magic setting. I'm in a similar campaign and I didn't get regular Plate until 5th or 6th level.

nitsua60

You kinda seem to have the opposite of this problem:

189

Q: Managing a Medieval Low Orbit Ion Cannon

Sometimes I hate my players. My table is currently composed of five diabolically inventive players. They come from a mixed IT/Engineering background, so more often than not, I have to deal with some really weird solutions that they create for the problems I present them. This is one of those c...

pathfinder gm-techniques plot

You want to keep playing the same campaign you started, but someone managed to shove it in a new direction.

Manner

Yeah, I told them that I would made their characters strong so I wouldn't have to worry about magic equipment

I did have them a bunch of utilities

Like magic rope, hat of disguise and a smoke jar (not sure if that's the name)

nitsua60

eversmoking bottle?

Manner

They always had plenty of options to clear the challenges

Yeah, that might be the name

NautArch

I'm having a hard time not suggesting retconning those magic items :(

and ir eally don't want to say that

Manner

01:18

I'm worried that with a bunch of magic items they'll turn into murdering hobos

nitsua60

Well, that's a whole different can of worms.

If you're worried that being powerful will make them murderhoboes, well, you're not going to stop them from getting powerful.

There better be something else stopping them from murderhoboing.

386

Q: How do I get my PCs to not be a bunch of murderous cretins?

Most RPGs teach you that casual violence is the best solution to all your in-game problems. This is so well established a part of the vast majority of RPGs that there are entire satire RPGs like Greg Costikyan's Violence and John Tynes' Power Kill dedicated to showcasing the issue. Even now that ...

system-agnostic gaming-style

Manner

They aren't stupid so they won't just get into a city and start killing everyone

But they might just start charming some key NPCs and get away with murder

NautArch

yeah, they now have the option to do both extremely well

Manner

That's why I wanted to at least limit the disadvantage from the staff to damaging spells

NautArch

your life is going to be much more difficult in encounter creation

which is fine if you are on board with that, but it ups the ante for them, too

Manner

01:23

I'm new to DMing so that's another big problem to me

NautArch

@Manner I'd like to hear what @nitsua60 suggests, but I think you need to talk about how you built the world to be less magic-item focused and instead went with stronger abilities and that you'd like to roll back those items...but maybe they'll make (an altered) appearance as they progress.

nitsua60

I don't think there's a wrong path. Well... having concerns and not voicing them could be a wrong path.

But whether the items stay or go, whether the campaign's high- or low-magic, whether they're murderhoboes or agents for good and right... you can have a good time playing any of those. As long as you're all in some agreement about what game(s) you're playing.

Jul 15 '16 at 23:47, by nitsua60

@Nyakouai This is why I always assume that at a table of N people there are at least 2N+1 distinct games being played.

Manner

Yeah, I'm pretty confident that I'll sort things out without much problems

I just wanted the opinions of more experienced people as I'm pretty new to this

NautArch

hopefully we were helpful :)

Manner

My friend also kinda pulled a dick move with all these items and he kinda also know that

Yeah thanks guya

nitsua60

01:37

Drop by any time! There're always people in here to chat games =)

Manner

I'll do that

Didn't even knew this existed until today

Thanks for the heads-up

nitsua60

(In fact, feel free to stay. I'm just going to tease @NautArch a little bit about the excellent session of mine he missed last night!)

NautArch

@nitsua60 noooooooo

nitsua60

3 sea hags: frightening visages: 7 of 8 PCs frightened. Paladin: turn the faithless: two of three sea hags turned.
Pure Scooby-Doo =D

NautArch

@nitsua60 awesome!

NautArch

01:55

@nitsua60 the meta question I think is referring to this question

@nitsua60 i'm a big fan of hags - they're a lot of fun to play as NPCs

nitsua60

Hmm. That's an interesting one, if that's the case. Because it looks to me like "system's working!" Votes will out, and your answer--which goes well beyond "NO!" and explains why, how one might modify/work around it, &c.--gets upvoted.

Eh, enough speculation.

NautArch

yeah, i'm not sure what I did to frustrate them :(

I've been trying to answer more in that style. But my lede still follows my RAW thoughts.

nitsua60

Until/unless they point to it, I wouldn't assume it's you.

NautArch

02:12

@nitsua60 true, but I'd be pretty surprised if it isn't.

Miniman

02:29

@NautArch I doubt it's what you did - my cynical self immediately pointed out that they have an answer on that question which isn't exactly prospering.

NautArch

@Miniman Maybe, but no answers there are really prospering. :) He removed some comments on mine that make me think it's partly about me.

but I might just be sensitive right now

Miniman

@NautArch Fair enough - I guess we'll see what happens.

nitsua60

Gah, I'm an idiot. I looked to see if the meta poster was the same as the querent, saw it wasn't, then moved on. Never thought to look at the other answer =\

Miniman

@NautArch Full disclosure - the reason I haven't upvoted any answers there is because you've gone to the (rather silly, but that's not your fault) "PCs can't have nice things" rules from the Enlarge spell, and not the (even sillier, but that's not my fault) "NPCs with privileges" rules from the DMG.

NautArch

@Miniman hmmm. I may need to rewrite. My goal wasn't PCs can't have nice things, bu tmore of the mechanic of enlarge needing a larger weapon, not just a larger body.

nitsua60

02:34

I haven't upvoted any answers because I'm still unclear on the question.

Miniman

@NautArch I think what I'm really looking for is an answer that says something along the lines of "medium creatures have two-handed weapons and one-handed weapons, big creatures have big two-handed weapons and big one-handed weapons", if you see what I mean.

NautArch

@Miniman yes, that's what i was trying to say in a much more long-winded, confusing and unclear way :P

Miniman

@NautArch Ah, good to hear! Then yeah, if you rewrite, I'll reread, and hopefully vote!

NautArch

attempted. :)

Joel Harmon

03:13

@Miniman facepalm thanks.

NautArch

@JoelHarmon was that to me or miniman?

Miniman

@JoelHarmon All good! Interesting how it was just that one line :P

Joel Harmon

@NautArch miniman caught some embarrassing spelling/grammar issues on an answer I just posted, and it seemed too off topic to thank him in comments.

@Miniman I can only guess that I was looking at my book at the time.

And also hang my head in shame, I suppose.

Miniman

@JoelHarmon Nah, that's why we all have the edit privilege :D

Joel Harmon

@Miniman Oh sure, and I've sent that around before. Only fair that it comes around once in a while.

NautArch

03:20

i think we wrote our answers at the same time @JoelHarmon

Joel Harmon

@NautArch Seems pretty likely

NautArch

nm, you beat me by 5 minutes. didn't see you had answered whilst typing

Joel Harmon

@NautArch I think we've all been there before.

NautArch

most definitely

@JoelHarmon fixed :) I didn't even consider the bonus action requirement :/

Joel Harmon

@NautArch Well, I can't immediately think of a way to prevent someone from having a bonus action but still have a regular one, given that Slow still gives you the choice. But if you can do it, that's a way to prevent summoning a bound weapon.

NautArch

03:30

yeah, slow was the first thing i thought of

Joel Harmon

Other stuff like Petrify prevents all actions.

I haven't combed through all the spells in the ~20 minutes since the question was posted, so I can't say whether there's another loophole in there.

NautArch

other than being incapacitated

but that's already covered

it does seem to be condition related. which is also the only other way to prevent the summoning

Joel Harmon

More or less, yeah.

Then again, I'd rule that Friends could prevent that, for about one mintue, so I hesitate to make blanket statements about what is or isn't allowed in D&D.

NautArch

Friends could prevent summoning? Advantage to convince someone not to summon?

Joel Harmon

It was intended as a joke, but also to imply that you can prevent someone from summoning their weapon if you convince them there's no reason to summon it.

NautArch

03:43

Heh, feeling literal (as usual). You would need to know in advance of the summoning plan, though.

Joel Harmon

Oh sure. But that was the first mind control spell that came to mind that wouldn't also immediately cause a fighter to summon a weapon.

NautArch

Geas!

They could still summon it, but it'd hurt.

although it's a suicide move anyway so a little pain before an ancient red eats you isn't a big deal

Joel Harmon

That's... odd. I'm not sure it's necessarily a suicide move per se. Red Dragons don't seem to have any explicit ability to track the fighter down or teleport to him or anything like that. Implicitly, their horde may have something to help out, but a cursory reading turned up little utility, just combat and flavoring.

NautArch

yeah, was just noticing that they don't have any spellcasting

i made an assumption based on the original question

Joel Harmon

Ditto, or I may have frame challenged as well.

NautArch

03:58

I added a bit on it.

also failed to make a "this is my weapon, this is my gun" reference to the bond and to make a faulty towers joke in the answer.

Joel Harmon

With regards to Fawlty Towers jokes: you started it.

NautArch

@JoelHarmon you vicious bastard

Joel Harmon

@NautArch Hey, you invaded Poland.

Erics

06:53

What's the geological name for a very wide mountain crevice, bordering on being a (narrow) valley?

Nyoze

07:06

A Chasm or Canyon maybe?

Erics

Yeh, that sounds more like it.

>A dwarven town nestled in a chasm in the Bleak Mountains, straddled by many stone bridges, the chasm sides riddled with balconies and terraces. There are many external paths and stairs, but none that stretch the whole length of the crevice.

Erics

07:26

Chasm = a gap formed by the sides being pulled apart.
Canyon = a gap formed by erosion and weathering.

BESW

07:48

Hey, guys, a friend has a question: What's the best RPG system for a game about hockey players on and off the ice?

Character drama and brutal sports action.

Quentin

09:23

@BESW (Speaking as someone who doesn't follow sports) : I'd lean towards DramaSystem for that. Possibly also an Apocalypse Engine game, I know there's a wrestling game out there which might provide some inspiration.

doppelgreener

@BESW Sounds awesome. Check with June too, she might know a couple.

trogdor

she knows hockey rpgs?

doppelgreener

@trogdor she knows a whole bunch of awesome RPGs I never knew about 'til I met her, and there's probably one that could do, or already does, hockey in there.

trogdor

fair enough

I think she is the one who first mentioned the existence of Golden Sky Stories

so I have that to thank her for at least

it's a nice system when you want that exact experience

doppelgreener

\o/!

She's also very fond of Blades in the Dark, which I'd like to try sometime somehow.

trogdor

09:40

what is that one?

doppelgreener

@trogdor it's a non-Fate Evil Hat game, and this page is the limits of my knowledge about it. Other than, also, June recommends it's a fantastic game for new people to start with, and a friend of mine went in cold with doubts to play it with their own group and had a blast.

trogdor

has June mentioned why it's specifically good for beginners ?

and by that do you mean beginners to RPG's or just beginners to the system?

doppelgreener

@trogdor beginners to RPGs specifically, and she hasn't mentioned. that'd be a good thing to ask. (and experience!)

trogdor

fair enough

it definitely seems interesting

I do wonder what those archetypes and crew types mean

like, I imagine shadows prefer to sneak around, but then what difference from them do the Whispers have?

I definitely would be up to trying it with you sometime

BESW

Given hockey's reputation for bone-crunching brutality combined with genuinely sweet players, I'm kinda thinking a Katanas & Trenchcoats hack would be hilarious.

doppelgreener

09:54

@BESW that sounds brilliant

trogdor

it has potential at least

doppelgreener

@trogdor good question. o:

@trogdor yay! \o/

trogdor

I have a soft spot for sneaky stuff

and this looks like a game that focuses on sneaky stuff as much as anything

doppelgreener

I'll see if I can GM a game. @BESW, would you be interested?

trogdor

I am concerned about group size in it

it seems like it is built for a gang, which I would assume would usually mean at least a small handful of people

doppelgreener

10:00

It might be you're more of a two-man "specialist" "organisation"

trogdor

as long as it works

doppelgreener

i'll check with June about whether it might work for 2 players + 1 GM

trogdor

it says 3-6

so not that it couldn't possibly work for less, but it seems like it assumes a slightly larger group than we usually have

doppelgreener

yeah, theoretically technically doable with 3 people and I trust Evil Hat, though small groups can require some special handling

like 3-6 could be "please have five but technically you could do it with three if you really wanted to"

BESW

@doppelgreener Sure!

doppelgreener

10:15

@BESW Yay!

doppelgreener

10:26

It's occurred to me I need a suitably halloweeny costume for the holiday, so I am changing my avatar back to Space Ghost.

trogdor

hehehe

don't give me excuses to change avatars XD

doppelgreener

@trogdor 👻!!

trogdor

uh

how did you do that?

doppelgreener

@trogdor emojipedia.org/ghost

trogdor

@doppelgreener you monster

this is happening now

doppelgreener

10:30

XD

🎃

BESW

Here's a fun exercise: guess when this game was designed, based on this single line from the rules:

> One of the strangest things about this game is that only the characters actually have attributes.

trogdor

wat

um, 1982

doppelgreener

@BESW either last year, or early 90's.

trogdor

lol

BESW

For the answer, mouse over this text.

trogdor

10:35

oh, ok

fair enough

maybe I overshot a little XD

BESW

Tonight for dinner I made this pumpkin pasta sauce with added onions, vegan sausage, and walnuts. Served on whole wheat spaghetti.

trogdor

why is there vegan sausage?

eh wtv

BESW

Because Tofurky's Italian "Sausage" is actually pretty tasty. I dice it and use it in stir fries.

trogdor

@doppelgreener I seeee you ghost man

XD

I didn't realize I missed space ghosts goofy face

doppelgreener

aww :D

@trogdor i think i did too

BESW

10:40

such ghost. very face. goof.

trogdor

that is ok, the game was a little rigged

kviiri

@BESW Hi, I have a öitt

Rats, stupid mobile keyboard.

BESW

I've never had an öitt!

kviiri

I will claim öitt is something Scandinavian and awesome that I am very proud to have.

But I was going ask you about Colonypunk...

BESW

@kviiri I will believe you.

What's your question, O Öitt-possessing One?

kviiri

10:52

What is the inspiration for the idea that the relationships in the game are all friendships in one direction and rivalries in the other?

BESW

Hmm. Colonypunk was interesting, in that I didn't design it so much as exorcise it.

It's an attempt to codify a handful of nebulous thoughts I had on the subject and see what I agreed with.

So my answer probably won't be especially satisfying.

Communities have very complex relationships between their members. Small or narrowly defined communities all the more so. Within the tiny word limit, that was my attempt to represent how the members of an indigenous community might be bound up in complex ties of reciprocity and competition.

kviiri

That is a satisfying answer on its own, I guess :)

BESW

If I were to revise the game now I'd make some significant changes--and probably have to break the word limit.

kviiri

You could call it Colonypunk 2000 and make it ten times as long!

trogdor

lol

BESW

10:58

Hee.

doppelspooker

11:35

\o/

trogdor

oh, what is this color?

doppelspooker XD

🔥🔥🔥🔥

doppelspooker

it's not even greeeeeen!! oOOOooooOoOOOOOoooOO!!

trogdor

oooooooOOOOoooooOOOOooooOO

line up to be spooked

kviiri

12:04

3spooky5me

doppelspooker

@kviiri brace yourself, spookoween is destined to get even spookier

BESW

12:26

When a Space Ghost turns orange, does that mean it's ripe?

kviiri

Anyone here about to participate in nanowrimo?

I'm going to try, but I have little hope in success because it's also going to be my mathewrimo (master's thesis writing month)

BESW

Ah, NaNoWriMo, aka National Novelists Taking To Twitter To Reassure People It's Okay If Your Writing Style Isn't Compatible With NaNoWriMo Month.

trogdor

@doppelspooker yep, we are just the,.... two horses,.... something, spookpocalypse,.... yeah that's the ticket

DForck42

13:00

mornin

@BESW lol

@kviiri I keep wanting to, but I always end up not able to for some reason or another

this year it's my wedding and honeymoon, lol

BESW

Ursula Vernon does NaNoFiMo.

> Actually, I rarely actually finish anything in November, but what I try to do is slam a few more thousand words on existing works and get them a little farther along. My work method involves keeping a dozen stories going at any given time, abandoning for months or years, coming back, working on them more.

kviiri

Recently, I have mostly written letters and news for my RPG universes in terms of fiction. And most of my ideas for novels are actually meant to be RPG settings.

That's a challenge.

BESW

Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

The needs of a novel and the needs of an RPG setting are often violently opposed.

DForck42

@BESW lol

BESW

[he said from bitter experience]

kviiri

13:08

@BESW I am well aware, yes :(

I like RPGs with action, danger and drama, but novels with deep themes and contemplation.

And I can't even imagine how I'd write a good action scene in a novel...

DForck42

@kviiri it's easy. first you write a paragraph, and then you pull out a gun

BESW

Mar 4 '14 at 10:29, by BESW

Good games usually range wide, exploring this and that and the other, with a fairly flimsy plot holding them together. It's the continuity of player which makes a campaign cohesive.

Mar 4 '14 at 10:35, by BESW

Gaming doesn't lend itself to the same kind of structure and foreshadowing that novel-writing does. Depending on the kind of narrative time you want to depict.

kviiri

@DForck42 The most lethal thing I own is a wicked kitchen knife (2-harm hand)

DForck42

@kviiri I don't own a gun either, lol

doppelspooker

13:34

Hey @DForck42 how much tomato puree do you put in your chilli?

I realised I got a couple of little 140g tins instead of big ones

DForck42

@doppelspooker I usually go with a 6oz can (looks to be ~170g)

@doppelspooker you making my recipe, or just borrowing elements?

doppelspooker

@DForck42 making it. phew, i've got a good amount then.

DForck42

@doppelspooker neat! you'll have to tell me how it turns out for you

Anne Aunyme

@doppelspooker can I have more explanation about what you call a "help pile"?

DForck42

are you doing the slow cooker method?

@AnneAunyme it's when a BUNCH of people, usually 4 or more, throw in trying to help a person. basically, a post that has issues causes the OP to get overwhelmed by people trying to help

Anne Aunyme

13:48

and why you consider that a sentence without a verb makes sense

doppelspooker

@AnneAunyme ten different people give a newbie fifteen different requests for clarification, five of which the newbie doesn't even understand. possibly, again, repeat the process.

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A: How is the community doing?

Well-intentioned help-piles are occasionally problematic. First, the mea culpa: I have been guilty of this as often as anyone else I've seen. Here's the problem, generally: New user posts a poor question. Downvotes and close-votes come quickly. This is proper: we should close unclear or OT que...

it tends to freak people out and make them give up and leave.

Anne Aunyme

was there other people than me suggesting improvements?

doppelspooker

@AnneAunyme yes, yours was the only comment i removed. it was asking to reformulate a sentence that looked clear enough.

Anne Aunyme

seriously, you find it clear?

and besides that there was other questions in this comment

"I tried to have a couple of npcs show that not all the settlers weak, murderous, blights upon the land (his words), but states that is not enough. "

^Am I the only one to find this unclear?

DForck42

@AnneAunyme I'd have ot see the context

Anne Aunyme

13:52

rpg.stackexchange.com/posts/108954/revisions

If you want the real context, scroll to the original version

DForck42

@AnneAunyme there's a slight grammatical error, where he's missing an "are" and "of". so it would be: "I tried to have a couple of npcs show that not all [of] the settlers [are] weak, murderous, blights upon the land (his words), but states that is not enough. " while this could be made clearer, to me it's obvious he's talking about settlers in the nation-building that's taking place in the campaign

Anne Aunyme

to me it was the settlers who were stating that it was not enough

DForck42

@AnneAunyme ahh

Anne Aunyme

also is the "vet" a player? a PC? is he a doctor for animals or a war veteran?

DForck42

again, it could be made clearer, but I don't think it's inherently wrong

@AnneAunyme again, could be made clearer. I read it as "veteran player", ie someone that has played this particular game for a long time

Anne Aunyme

14:01

it is wrong, the sentence lacks a verb

I read it as "a doctor for animals", and that made no sense at all

DForck42

@AnneAunyme lol, yeah I could see that

Anne Aunyme

I also asked for how many players there was

DForck42

well, tbh, the question is highly problematic, despite it's grammatical errors

it states that the one guy is a problem, but instead of trying to figure out a way to handle him, he's looking at just ending the whole thing, without providing any real reason why he's jumping to that conclusion

basically, there's a lot missing from this question

Anne Aunyme

there is a good reason for why it is closed

but to me it doesn't justify the comment deletion

DForck42

@AnneAunyme I think, to defend @doppelspooker, to him the sentence DID make sense, and it DIDN'T make sense to ask for rewording a particular sentence in a question that already has numerous issues. I udnno if there are other comments that were deleted, but there are 3 comments above yours, all trying to help the asker make their question work

and @doppelspooker was trying ot prevent it from getting out of hand

Anne Aunyme

14:12

mine was the first

i don't know how many were posted after that

anyway deleting a comment only because of opinions feels like very bad manners.

DForck42

@AnneAunyme also, I'm not saying that @doppelspooker was correct in this instance, just trying to output what the intention was

Anne Aunyme

actually @doppelspooker told us a few messages above that mine was the only deleted comment

DForck42

@AnneAunyme I missed that

"•Keep your eye on the prize: getting the question good enough to be on-topic/reopened. We can fix the small things later, focus on the big things while closed." - from @nitsua60's post that was linked

Anne Aunyme

I get the intention, I don't want to hold a grudge or anything, but I also want to make sure it is known that I don't accept it either

doppelspooker

DForck42

14:18

@doppelspooker hah! looks pretty similar to my set up

doppelspooker

so far so good. it's quite thick so i'll be cooking it on low heat.

Anne Aunyme

to me getting the question to be on-topic needed for me to understand it first. The part about the number of players was because I suspected the OP to be playing with way too many players that what is maintainable for a beginner.

DForck42

@doppelspooker it's not a bad idea to add some extra water, I have accidentally burnt mine in the slow cooker

doppelspooker

@DForck42 ta. :)

@AnneAunyme my thoughts are for how the receiving user is being handled above how any existing user (including myself) feels. i had to head off earlier to receive someone and also do some cooking, so i didn't follow that up with some explanation -- had the comment included suggestion about how they should reformulate, what's unclear about it, or any pointers along those lines, it would've stayed.

however, several helpy comments (probably more incoming) plus "rewrite this sentence" meant that last one was over the threshold and i took it away. a later reading might show what's going on.

DForck42

14:36

@doppelspooker how long until you try the chili?

doppelspooker

14:54

@DForck42 about 3-4 hours. i'm going to leave it on a simmer until then to work away some of the water i added.

i added a cup, and then about a quarter-cup more so i could swirl out the diced tomatoes can. it worked out to a lot.

DForck42

15:14

@doppelspooker neat

doppelspooker

15:36

@DForck42 thanks for sharing that recipe, I'm really looking forward to seeing how it goes.

how do you prefer to serve it? i've often had chili con carne either straight-up or with rice.

DForck42

@doppelspooker I love dairy, so I tend to add sour cream and cheese to mine

crackers (saltines) are also an excellent food delivery mechanism, and are also good crushed up in the chili

doppelspooker

ooh.

DForck42

my fiancée likes it spicier, so she adds shiracha

doppelspooker

i've had lightly toasted pita bread before used to make wedge crackers for this stuff.

DForck42

@doppelspooker that sounds good

THiebert

18:07

why does this channel have a jeff tag?

DForck42

@THiebert We are all Jeff

THiebert

Really? I've always felt like more of a Jim

DForck42

Jun 28 at 16:15, by BanjoFox

Side-topic: What is the "jeff" tag all about? I get a 404 when clicking it.

GreySage

18:24

@THiebert There is a long and storied history behind jeff, which I don't know

Interestingly, [rpg] and [pen-and-paper] also give 404 errors

DForck42

@GreySage yeah, it's cause you can put tags in the description, but there are no "chat" tags, rather they link back to the main site

we've got these on the movies chat: identify-this-rage, mod-rage, sarcasm-at-its-finest, sardonic

Zachiel

@GreySage Take the link by DForck42, read the reply to that post.

kviiri

19:47

@DForck42 That assortment sounds like it could also use be-nice :P

DForck42

@kviiri lol, probably

doppelspooker

Dec 1 '16 at 10:35, by doppelgreener

something is weird with my site shortcuts in my browser:

DForck42

@doppelspooker how was the chili?

doppelspooker

@DForck42 delicious!!! i'm considering adding more of the spices i used.

the predominant flavor was the beans and the beef, but that's pretty good imo. :)

Zachiel

Inspiration, where art thou?

DForck42

19:56

@doppelspooker good!

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