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I'm beginning to notice a trend here.
@Papayaman1000 Alright, so not that different from Colorado.
@Papayaman1000 at least you don't have a city shoved smack in the middle of the mountains
I've been to Pittsburgh and "hilly" is an understatement for that city.
@WrongOnTheInternet I was more referring to the US as a whole.
@Papayaman1000 Oklahoma and North Texas are pretty much totally flat, if you drive through them.
@Shalvenay When I say "Appalachia" I mean our little chunk of the Appalachian Trail and its mountains.
21:01
@Papayaman1000 heheh
@Shalvenay As have I. I pass through Pennsylvania every year to visit relatives in Maryland.
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hello there @user44651
I forgot to eat again. Oh well, dinnertime is close.
Yeah, you know how there's mountain tunnels and endless winding roads going up the sides of 'em? That's how southeast Ohio is, too.
@Papayaman1000 Somebody got bored and copy-pasted two states, is what I'm hearing.
21:05
@WrongOnTheInternet Nah. We have less mountains and more tolerant former governors.
Plus, a much more bloody relationship with another US state. Did you know we almost got in a war with Michigan? More than just college football, folks.
@Papayaman1000 I guess the east had a nastier history with other states.
@WrongOnTheInternet Blame it on the focus for State powers when the nation was young.
@Papayaman1000 I mean, there was a time when State actually meant State in the political sense, not Province.
@WrongOnTheInternet That's around the time our region was purchased.
@Papayaman1000 Makes sense.
21:17
@WrongOnTheInternet Yet everyone forgets bout both us AND Michigan and just talks about Indiana, with their race cars and their being the name of the purchase and all that.
@Papayaman1000 I dunno if Michigan is really forgotten, though... more like the homeless guy you see in the street and avert your eyes from.
@WrongOnTheInternet No, that's Illinois. Michigan is the guy's brother who tries as hard as possible not to be associated so just sorta blends into the background as a whole.
Until college football arguments start up.
@Papayaman1000 Huh, different perception down here. Though I mainly think of Michigan in terms of Detroit and Flint.
@WrongOnTheInternet Mmm, yeah. There's a point right there. But think about it, aside from the Flint fiasco, when's the last time you've heard anyone mention Michigan outside of sports?
@Papayaman1000 Typically, they're talking about Detroit and how that's had a lot of industry leave.
21:23
@WrongOnTheInternet Ah. So looks like Michigan finally got dragged out into the street, shown the state their brother is in, and threatened with it. They did not meet the demands.
@Papayaman1000 Yeah, we don't even HEAR about Illinois. I probably know more about Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota than I do Illinois.
@WrongOnTheInternet I mostly hear Chicago jokes, and feel unending glowers following the Trump Trail.
@Papayaman1000 It's much weirder down here. Colorado is probably purple because the main poltical ideologies are "Libertarian" and "Left Libertarian".
I still don't know what to make of Arizona.
@WrongOnTheInternet The main political ideologies here are... "Who the president is gonna be" and "Sorry, I was too busy rooting for a failing sports team thAT JUST WON WOOOOOOOO"
@Papayaman1000 Sorry, yeah. That first one is true everywhere in the US though.
21:31
@WrongOnTheInternet . . .
...I hate you.
@Papayaman1000 What? Oh no! I'm not a big sports guy.
But you've identified the primary political ideologies in the US.
GYAAAAAAHHHHHHH
I think the joke in Colorado is "You can get gay married while shooting your guns and smoking pot."
@WrongOnTheInternet That sounds like a utopia.
@Papayaman1000 Well, property prices are stupid high in the Denver area, and outside the denver area is horrible poverty if you don't live in a resort town.
21:35
@WrongOnTheInternet yeah more or less
@Papayaman1000 But I think that might just be the city / small town divide, too.
@WrongOnTheInternet Eh... not quite. Some areas, the only real poverty you see is in the big city.
@Papayaman1000 Yeah, that's absolutely true. Although the ghetto is like a block away from the nice glittering skyscraper in Denver.
@WrongOnTheInternet you have to realize that cost of living tends to be silly low in rural areas too
@Shalvenay Yeah, that's also a reason why the minimum wage argument is, well, an argument.
21:38
@Shalvenay Though, that reinforced poverty by impairing mobility.
New York studio apartment: $4000/mo.
Nice rural home with an acre of land: $20000 (or about $200/mo. for rent)
@SevenSidedDie This is also true
@Papayaman1000 The most baffling thing to me about NYC is that places like Dominoes and Olive Garden exist there at NYC prices.
@Papayaman1000 omg. House prices around me are in excess of $1 million for a knock-down.
@WrongOnTheInternet What baffles me is that people eat at Dominoes there when they can get a pizza that tastes three times as good at a third of the price.
@SevenSidedDie Come to Colorado! We're Still Cheaper than living in New York City or San Francisco!
@Papayaman1000 See, it makes sense in place that only has pizza chains around.
21:42
And now you people see why I've been getting into real estate
I'm getting off, time to concentrate on other things.
ok bye sir
@WrongOnTheInternet You've got that whole foreign country thing going though. ;)
(I'm in Vancouver, Canada.)
@SevenSidedDie You wonderful sir! You glorious, socialized-healthcare-having, not-Trump-voting, always-forgotten-about-and-sorta-blended-into-the-US, wonderful sir!
Vancouver is not really in Canada
It's more like an overseas Hong Kong
Because the Chinese own most of it
21:57
@SPavel So, Hong Kong, then?
Right, but overseas
There are some issues with international speculation / ownership driving up real estate, but unfortunately ownership isn't (yet) tracked so it's all guessing.
Hong Kong is more...over-straits?
Vancouver's real estate prices are even higher than New York's and San Francisco's
@SPavel Aye.
Which is ridiculous because it's not really an economic powerhouse
It's just really bad at managing household density
21:58
@SPavel The real estate issues here have more to do with it being a bounded valley with no room to grow.
Well there's always shudder Victoria
The Ottawa of provincial capitals
@SPavel There's a whole lotta NIMBYs who freak out any time any rezoning other than single-family is proposed by the city. And renters won't speak out, because those freaking out are their landlords.
Brooklyn has the same issue
Manhattan residents have long since given up the dream of having any sort of rights
22:26
Thassa lotta opening comments, peeps: rpg.stackexchange.com/q/101329/23970
None of them individually unwarranted, but still a lot taken in aggregate for a new user to face.
22:41
@nitsua60 Yeah, I think they need pruning but it's quite hard to decide which. I think maybe the “have you read the DMG…” and “what are you running…” comments are second-order-of-business and could probably be held until after they respond to the more basic requests.
Even the Related comment could probably wait.
I went ahead and trimmed some. Again: they were all individually good, but I'm not crazy about the aggregate that formed =)
@SevenSidedDie I removed the answer, as per your comment it was not helpful.
@Gram No trouble! There's a bit of a learning curve to the site, so this is all within expected norms. :)
22:59
@SevenSidedDie Thanks, I had the same question for 5e and found that one, but I suppose I should have asked it again with a different tag if I wanted to answer it. I know for next time now :)
@Gram Yeah, self-answering is totally okay to do! For that particular question it might not be a well-received question & answer because it's pretty quick to answer, but more uncertain self-answered questions tend to get upvote love. People like seeing non-obvious knowledge being shared.
@nitsua60 👍🏽
@Zachiel thanks, that's definitely a type of spam we get sometimes.
23:18
hey there @Icyfire
"He must have read that Evil Overlord list."
God, I love the Dresden Files.
hahaha
oh, btw -- what elements of a campaign world should I have built first before starting play and what elements can I leave open to developing as needed?
@Shalvenay world building should be done kinda like an inverse doughnut: the players need information about their immediate surroundings, and information about the general world they're in (what kind of world is it, what are the basic pantheons and civilisations and so on), and don't really need to know anything in detail about any specific place they're not presently in.
so figure out the general shape of the big picture, and detail the place right around them, and everything else can be developed on the fly.
@doppelgreener yeah, it's what should be in that big-picture that I'm trying to figure out
23:49
@Papayaman1000 To be specific:
Feb 14 '16 at 8:12, by BESW
deadEarth chargen asks you to roll a minimum of 627d6 + 6d10 for chargen. There is no upper limit, and no guarantee you will get a playable character at the end of the process. So they suggest you roll three characters and pick the most playable.
So that's a bare minimum of 1,899 rolls for a single player's suggested chargen process.
@BESW 633 dice. And original rules say you must roll 3 characters, no more, no less. Yeah.
Oh dear.
in deadEarth: The Chargenning, Jul 6 '14 at 13:09, by BESW
I managed to roll a character who was going to die of liver failure in 1d6 years, reverse-age and die as an embryo in 1d6 weeks, and die of spontaneous combustion in 3d6 hours.
I assume that if you get a suitable character, many more horrors await?
From what I've been able to bear of reading it, the main game is tedious, sexist, and subject to random humiliations and confusion.
@BESW gosh.
23:57
If I had a lot of time and very little to do, I might make a character sheet. If I had even more and even less of each, respectively, I might make a character sheet generator.
Heh.
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