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00:19
ugh. Early start at work on Friday, followed by weekend of setting up & manning a booth at Steampunk Festival, then early start at work Monday. I need a holiday.
@Adeptus Or possibly to use your weekends for relaxation :P
@Miniman wait... wha?
Whazzat?
It's a concept that didn't occur to me until I started working full time, I'll admit.
@nitsua60 Incidentally, I don't know if you saw this; it's the reason I voted to close in the first place, and it hasn't changed.
Yeah, I agree that bit's a bit unclear/broad. I initially just downvoted and thought about close-voting for that reason. I don't have any problem with closure per se, but I did find the comment above mine seemed a bit wrongly-directed.
@Miniman It wasn't an option this weekend. Wife was launching her 2nd book. She's starting to build a small local fanbase, which is nice. My work is usually good - government job with flexi-time. They just needed stuff done early these 2 days.
00:33
@Adeptus :( hopefully things will ease up a bit.
Another concept that never really fit in my head, but I've been forced to understand: It's ok to occasionally take a day off for no particular reason.
Yeah, should be back to normal levels of busy for a while now. I've been asked to not take any significant leave until mid November, because we're working on a project with fairly tight timelines. I can probably manage a day or two, though.
"mental health days" my mom called them. We got them as schoolkids. We could just say "mom, I don't feel like going to school today. I want to sit at home and eat frosting and watch Gilligan's Island." Once per year.
@nitsua60 "Frosting and Gilligan's Island" - you're showing your age a little there :P
okay, I'll buy Gilligan's Island, but what about sitting on a couch eating frosting dates me?
=D
"Frosting" just geo-locates you. Here, it's "icing".
00:40
@Adeptus Interesting - I associate that distinction with old people, but now that I think about it I'm not sure why.
@Adeptus Interesting. I call a lighter, fluffier confectionary cake-spread "frosting," while I call one that's more liquid-then-sets-solid/flaky "icing." I.e. I think I use "icing" and "glaze" interchangeably, while "frosting" is a whole different thing in my mind.
Though I think that last post of mine stretches the word "interesting" near its breaking point =D
A quick Google suggests that you're probably right.
Weirdly, "icing vs frosting" didn't get me any results along the lines I really wanted to know about - which would win in a fight?
@Miniman About that not actually being interesting?
@nitsua60 About the difference :P
01:01
Dear USPS: You know my package was put on a boat three weeks ago. You know it takes four to eight weeks for a boat to get to Guam from Richmond. Why do you still insist that the expected delivery day is a week ago?
@BESW Are you sure they know that second bit?
Yes, because about half the time they get it right.
@BESW Weird.
What's also weird: "Load older posts" is currently giving me one extra post per click...
@Adeptus It's still giving me half-pages, so watever it is, it's probably just you.
01:11
that is odd
@Adeptus it's not adding cumulatively though is it?
...and now it's behaving normally :P
lol
ok fine then
be like that :P
@trogdor Incidentally, it was BoF 3 that you were recommending, right?
yes
I liked Legend of Dragoon as well, but that game is reaaaaall long
and it has four disks, and is probably half impossible to find
Cool. I've been playing a lot of Diablo 2 lately, and that's a baaaaaad sign for me.
01:38
anyway, it's got a neat story, but I really like the nuances of the combat system
and all the items that are hidden everywhere
and I admit, BoF 3 might be only slightly easier to find
This advice on scene painting is also good advice for designing scenes, adventures, and campaigns in RPGs.
> ...If you put in too many accessories the interest will have no chance. ...When things are not interesting lose them. ...In a scene you will always have one part to your liking; neglect the rest for that favorite spot.
I'd already flagged and downvoted, but forgot to Vtc it =\
@BESW [in the middle of planning fronts right now] I like how DW's GM-side naturally puts this advice into play. If I drop a hint that something's happening on another front and you-all don't engage, it stays off screen. Developing. If developments every catch your interest, then it comes into scenes. If not, it all still plays out, just off-screen.
"Are you looking for a cool RPG game?"
"Yes..."
"If you like vampire-"
"yes..."
"and REALLY awesome people-"
"yes..."
"Then I have the game for YOU-"
"me?"
"and all you have to do is click."
"Oh. nvm."
@BESW that got staked in the heart quickly
02:42
I can has vampire spam again?
@trogdor Spampire?
yeah I mean, we do seem to get a disproportunately high amount of vampire spam
if only slightly
@JoelHarmon Wise words! :)
hey there @JoelHarmon and @RollingFeles
02:55
@RollingFeles that's true of anything I've stolen from Calvin and Hobbes
@Adeptus watches Vlad hurl a bunch of spam cans at people "EUGGGGH, what is this crap!?"
@Shalvenay hey! how's it going?
hi Shalv
@RollingFeles alright here, amped for session 0.5 of DW, as for you?
@JoelHarmon what's up?
@Shalvenay well, according to Calvin and Hobbes my weekends went very well :) I enjoyed Skyrim on steroids with mods.
03:01
@RollingFeles :p also, wondering who or what kidnapped or devoured the esteemed @waxeagle as he has been MIA for quite a while now. maybe it was a dragon, considering that the Stackizen 5e game was starting on Rise of Tiamat? :o
@Shalvenay Had a pitch party the other day. I was pleasantly surprised that I couldn't do both of the pitches I had ready because too many other people pitched, too
@JoelHarmon heheh.
@Shalvenay well, looks like a plot hook for another adventure! "Saving citizen @waxeagle".
Is it a wave of citizen rpg games or is it just me being unaware? First DW, now 5e :)
@RollingFeles hahahaha xD...first off...what sort of heroes should we send to save him?
also pleased that of the nine pitches, only two used the same system
03:05
@Shalvenay well, the kind of heroes that can survive meeting with dragon I suppose?
@RollingFeles wax's 5e game was going for quite a while (I got into it when I was first getting started on the Stack)
@RollingFeles true. I suspect that Rhino Driver off aviation.SE wouldn't turn down the opportunity to get a kill to his name though xD
@Shalvenay one dragon kill mark for plane wing coming up!
Or does he prefer helicopters?
nah, he's a fixed-wing guy
but yeah -- I reverse-engineered the performance envelope of the stock adult red dragon from the 3.5e MM and they're...actually rather pathetic, at least when compared to a modern fighter jet
03:17
What about legendary(or ancient, can't rember now)?
@RollingFeles doubt it'd change that much. the problem's both a drastic lack of thrust-to-weight (my line for it is "dragons don't do dirty double Immelmans") and the inability to pull Gs to speak of (as their ability to turn tightly comes from their ability to fly slowly)
Even 3.5 admits dragons should have "CAUTION: THIS VEHICLE MAKES WIDE TURNS" bumper stickers.
@BESW for a flying thing of that size, they turn rather tightly -- they just slow down a bunch to do so, which is not so good when you can't refill your "energy meter" if you will very fast at all :)
@BESW hello! :)
[wave]
What snoo?
03:28
That awkward moment when you have to google what other people say.
Clearly I'm referring to the recently-deceased playwright.
Random sentence from wiki:
"Blow-Job is a political exploration of urban violence during which a quantity of raw meat is thrown on stage to simulate the corpse of an Alsatian dog that has just been blown up."
Yeeah. Theatre culture is kinda weird.
@BESW And I'm sure that you're pulling my leg :)
[grin] Just wordplay. (I pay so little attention to Reddit that I usually don't remember they have a mascot, much less its name.)
03:34
@RollingFeles wow that is a really weird description
03:52
@trogdor I'm sure that work itself is far weirder.
work, like theatre work?
Yeah.
Screenplay or something like that. Don't have much time to read wiki carefully.
@trogdor Snoo Wilson was a playwright, and that sentence is describing one of his earlier works.
ah ok
that is a really specific and weird thing to put into a play
@BESW Although I'm not a reddit denizen, I admire this system. There are so much great subreddits and I love to see people's dedication. A lot of tools and materials for GMs. I mentioned such things earlier. Recently I visited skyrim subreddit and modders community, their involvement and tremendous amount of work invested in their hobbies inspire me.
04:04
it can become a toxic environment though
not to say there is no good that comes out of the system, but there is bad with good as well
@trogdor undoubtedly.
I don't spend much time there myself
last time I even visited the site was probably a couple years ago
The thing about reddit is that it's an entirely uncontrolled environment. So it's entirely up to the participants what kind of place it is.
Well, it was a pleasure to chat with you guys. But project isn't going to design and code itself. Have to work :) Happy roleplaying!
have fun
04:16
@Miniman Well, "entirely uncontrolled" in the sense that its curators choose not to curate unless and until it affects their profits and most of the time it's the really sleazy, objectionable, and outright illegal stuff that makes them the most money. Reddit has fetishised free speech and tribalism to make permissiveness in a company space seem like a virtuous defense of governmental principles.
Literally, they have framed their actions (or rather inactions) as governmental rather than corporate.
@BESW I'm curious, have you seen Captain America: Civil War?
...Yes.
I can confirm, he definitely saw it
unless I was hanging out with his doppleganger
@BESW I had to get an American friend to explain to me how anyone could possibly see Captain America as the good guy.
:P
@Miniman you are kidding right?
04:26
@trogdor Not at all.
@Miniman The logic of the plot is only good in comparison to the logic of the comics it was based on.
@Miniman tell me how having red tape over saving people's lives is ok?
The movie's plot is mostly an excuse to have heroes fight one another.
it isn't like they had much of a choice over "we go in and stop the aliens and robots" and "we just let them keep destroying the place they are in because we are waiting on a committee to meet"
But it sort of kind of works. Unlike Civil War II that's currently going on in the comics, which just makes me sad.
04:27
@trogdor So, you think that they shouldn't be held accountable for anything that they do, by anyone?
@Magician it is, the justification of certain things is silly
@Miniman They should be, after they saved the day. There, issue solved.
@Miniman no, not to that extreme, but I do think the level of hand tying involved in Iron Man's sides argument completely ignores why colateral damage was happening in the first place
At the end of the day, nobody in the film was right, because they were taking extremist sides. What made sense about Steve's choices is that he wasn't making them because of any righteousness he saw in the cause--he was making the right choices for his best friend who he thought he'd lost forever and was now the only link to his previous life.
@Magician Well, yes. The absolutist position Captain America took was so indescribably stupid it was unbelievable.
04:30
@Miniman the problem is, so was Iron man,.... Captain America took an extreme side, and he obviously shouldn't have sheltered an international fugitive
but he was backed into a corner on the side he took, by the other side AND by how the story was written
It's worth remembering CA just came out of discovering SHIELD was a Hydra front, so had issues with believing any kind of authority.
They made it pretty clear in the film that both Steve and Tony were shooting from the gut rather than the head because of a ton of emotional baggage each was carrying. They had the influence for their personal traumas to become international incidents, and the villain was making sure that's how it played out.
I won't defend the writing choices, but I do think it's silly not to also say the other side was at least AS extreme and wrong
accountability for their actions is something they should have embraced, but the exact way that accountability was decided on was not optimal
by any means
@trogdor It really wasn't that extreme, though. He was willing to compromise, to adjust the terms. All he insisted was that there had to be some oversight.
Steve was right only inasmuch as his totally unjustified paranoia from the lingering trauma of the Hydra takeover turned out to be accurate, and the film's choice to find him more sympathetic than Tony weakened the story's theme.
04:34
@Magician I do agree with this, basically, my main issue is that the proposal brought to them involved,... deciding that maybe the next time an international crisis happened they wouldn't be DOING anything until it was too late
@BESW It was also CA's movie, so us finding him more sympathetic was almost a given.
@trogdor Consider the situation in The Dark Knight Rises. The Avengers would have gone into that city without a second thought, and probably would have gotten the place nuked. (Well, except that sort of thing doesn't happen in Marvel movies.)
@BESW that is exactly my problem, they wrote the story in such a way that Tony was siding with people who were basically going too far in a direction they should have gone, one end of the extreme instead of the other
And it's understandable in America's current political climate that the film feared such nuance would be too risky a chance to take in a cornerstone film of the Franchise That Laid The Golden Box Office.
the exact proposal they made is something I would have disagreed with if it were given to me too
04:36
@trogdor It's not like we were given any idea about the details.
@Miniman but the situation was: they went into a couple of different cities and caused colateral damage when the alternatives would have been "the city is completely destroyed" or "the earth is conquered by aliens"
@Miniman other than saying it was wrong to even act in the situations they found themselves in?
I will say again, by the way, I agree that CA's position was, on it's own merits, wrong
but in his actual situation with more things than it's own merits being accounted for, his choices were to accept one of two un-optimal choices
Speaking of nuance... As much as I liked Winter Soldier (the movie), I thought it could have been so much better with only a couple minutes of extra footage. It doesn't make sense for thousands of SHIELD agents to knowingly work for Hydra - someone would talk. It would have been a much stronger story if only a few people on the top were "true" Hydra. And regular agents would have had to make a choice: follow their unmasked superiors, or rebell seeing where their earnest efforts lead.
Narratively (ignoring the mistaken impression that you have to Save The World for an ensemble superhero film to be any good and the fact that it was based on an awful comic which did the same), the only reason Civil War had to be such a world-spanning political thriller is that it was the only way they could get T'Challa into it. And they almost wrote him out anyway.
@trogdor Let me put it this way. The Avengers act as an independent nation that goes into other countries and blows **** up.
@Miniman yes, again that isn't great
but so do at least two or even three of the groups they fought
04:41
@trogdor So yes, they should have said "Hey Sokovia, is it ok if we intervene in the situation you've got going on?"
@Miniman I do agree
Sokovia most likely would have said yes at a certain point if they had bothered
...and what if they said "no"?
but I am pretty sure I recall more stringent requirements than that
@Magician well then, I guess they would blow up
And the rest of humanity with them, wasn't that the whole point?
@Magician yeah, this is part of the problem admitedly
04:43
You know who handled the complex politics of a private team responding to international emergencies on short notice better than Marvel? Freaking Thunderbirds.
injecting catastrophic world ending scenarios into the situation does make it about more than "you should have asked nicely first"
@trogdor Consider, too, that if there had been some oversight on Iron Man, that particular world ending scenario would not have happened.
@Miniman yeah this is true as well, but they blamed the people who helped him clean his mess up as much as they blamed him
which was honestly silly
I'm not sure if I've linked this before, but:
@trogdor It's not about blame, it's about preventing that sort of thing from happening.
04:46
@Miniman Which is also the reason why he was so so extreme in his position during the Civil War.
@Miniman but they did assign blame, they literally did that thing
@Magician Yeah, it's unfortunate that the movie relied on emotional motivations rather than exploring the actual conflict.
> "Well," replied Romanov. "Thank God that didn’t escalate."
And that's a boring movie :)
04:48
Yes, the Avengers franchise, like the X-Men, is predicated on soap opera logic.
(But with noticeably fewer people turning out to be Romanov's kids.)
lol
but that also spawned the horrible conversation between her and the Hulk
urrrrgh. Whedon, stop trying to help.
hehehe
[pinches nose] I like Natasha/Bruce. It works. They're both dangerous, neither wants to be, both have to learn to accept it or they'll hurt people.
@BESW [throws rock]
04:52
They can respect each other and help each other, and yes, there are interesting parallels between The Big Guy and the Black Widow as personalities forced on the individual which threaten to overwhelm their own identity.
I just want it to be entirely clear, if the story was written differently, I could find myself agreeing that Cap was not the good guy, but he was literally pigeon holed into a stupid situation where his (at least seemingly) best option was dissagreement
which he could have, of course, handled better XD
@BESW I don't think the characters can't work in a relationship like that, but they most definitely handled it a horrible way
especially that one conversation
But explicitly equating those problems with sterility crossed so many lines I thought somebody'd shattered the Siege Perilous again.
@trogdor Why, though? Why not just agree? 144 countries agreed that something needed to be done. This is literally more countries than have ever agreed on anything. Cap can't go along with it because he refuses to accept anyone else's judgment over his own. That's sheer, pure, arrogance.
Also, Vision agreed. The superintelligent AI that thinks only about the good of humanity.
@Miniman It's wrong, but it's not arrogance. It's Hydra-fueled paranoia.
With, probably, a good dash of front-line experience with having to make calls and live with them when no superior was available.
@Miniman I don't disagree that it was the wrong choice, but I am also not entirely ignoring context
04:59
@BESW I see your point, but there's a big difference between that and declaring yourself the ultimate moral authority.
(I kinda like HISHE's suggestion that it should have been the Sovokia Stark Accords.)
@Miniman the problem is that both sides were doing that
@BESW It's not like they were his idea.
@Miniman Right, that came from the paranoia coupled with the sudden emotional whiplash re: Bucky.
@trogdor No, Iron Man was admitting that his judgement was flawed, and that there should be checks on it.
Admittedly, largely driven by having his flawed judgement backfire on him so catastrophically it had to change his thinking.
05:01
Seriously, most of Cap's choices were driven by his love for Bucky, coloured by his Hydra paranoia and his WWII PTSD.
@BESW That's fair. It just makes it even more annoying that the movie framed them as right.
While Tony... honestly Tony wasn't making his choices for the good of humanity either, he was making choices to assuage his guilt.
@Miniman I do agree that his choices should not have been framed as right on their own merits, that is the wrong way to show it
@BESW yeah, that is also true
@BESW In fairness, I did mention that.
And if there's one thing I'll believe Steve has awful experience with, it's trench guilt.
05:04
@Miniman I think one of my problems with this when the conversation started was the implication was that Stark was the good guy
when in my mind he only sorta "sided with" the good guys
in some fashion
@trogdor Maybe not the good guy, but making the right choices. Up until the end of the movie, of course.
not that you intended to imply it even, mind you, just that I assumed an implication
I think Civil War would've been a lot better if they'd had the guts to not make it an international politics thing. The story was an emotional one, and bringing politics into it just muddied the whole deal.
but I also still had a problem with the exact form of hand tying proposed
Tony's guilt and Steve's paranoid PTSD would've pushed the story all on their own.
05:06
when the proposal was brought to them, they cited the biggest issues as the Avengers intervening in affairs that would have destroyed the world if they hadn't done anything
@trogdor Notice that, once the dust settled, Iron Man compromised, and tried to help Cap in order to save lives. Cap, on the other hand, refused to accept any sort of compromise, at any point.
when the largest concern they should have had was that Stark had cause one of those things to happen in the first place
@Miniman I don't recall an actual reasonable compromise
or at the very least, not one that was presented well
@trogdor How is "I won't try to bring you in, let's focus on stopping the bad guy, and we can sort this out later" not reasonable?
@Miniman which incident was that?
I mean, what chronological point?
@trogdor Towards the end of the movie, when he went to Siberia to help Cap stop Zemo.
05:10
cause I remember several instances where Starks FIRST response was "I gotta take you in"
he was not leaving many compromises on the table as I recall
@trogdor Well, yeah. He accepted reality, and allowed someone else to be placed in authority over himself. Then, when that authority told him to do something, he tried to do it.
yes. while Cap was in the middle of trying to root out a third party
@trogdor It's not like Cap even tried to tell him about that.
no, and that was silly
but I honestly doubt Stark would have listened anyway
should he have tried? absolutely
@trogdor Well, he'd have said "Ok, we'll take you in, we'll tell the authorities, and they can decide what we do about it."
05:14
there are severall silly contrivences in the story
@trogdor Yeah, the plot is pretty much 100% silliness.
hehehe
@Adeptus Those are the wrong way round, obviously.
 
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06:28
I confess to being amused by questions which are presented from the PoV of a character, rather than a player.
ones posted on the stack?
07:10
Org and Chargen for the Dystopian Universe RPG Beta Playtest (by @EvilHatOfficial ) https://cyberook.blogspot.com/2016/09/dystopian-universe-rpg-beta-playtest.html https://t.co/3aZ7kflReX
 
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09:44
Hey all
long time no see
@besw do you have a more recent version of Surgadores?
I've been meaning to play it with my group for a while
[wave] Got some ideas for playtesting variants on the mechanics.
I've checked over the google doc, but didn't see any changes. I'll willingly take any you submit for testing!
If you can, try playing at least one game as written, and then at least one game with the "wrestling death" and "operating on the patient" difficulty equations switched (so it gets harder to wrestle death but easier to operate on the patient as the game goes on).
Right, will do
I'll report back
did you ever get the writeup of the game I played with normal rules?
Thanks! Really appreciate it.
09:48
It should be on this chat, but I can't for the life of me remember how to search
I... can't remember. [pokes]
Apr 15 at 18:59, by Polyducks
@BESW Summary of our two-player test: We got one colour each before death passed my four-dice move.

Here's a pastebin of the game:

http://pastebin.com/KFqqwEQ3

It was fun being really over blown and ridiculous, but I think we need more players. I definitely saw the mechanics working to get the game harder as we went through. We worked on the idea that assets weren't used up when used against death - which means we could use them again and again until they were used up in surgery. I liked how that worked because we'd have to save our best moves for the end.
Ahah!
And yeah, I've got some more dramatic ideas for changes but need more baseline experience before I test anything new.
There we go
I do like the "only used in surgery" thing.
09:55
It worked well - but I think it made it harder as we progressed
but that could work better if we flip the difficulty, like you said
It's been on the back burner lately, as I've been teaching myself Bubblegumshoe and such. (And it's poster season again, so that's been taking up a bit more of my creative brain.)
10:08
Poster season?
Yeah, the university theatre hires me to do the advertising for their semester productions.
10:25
Aha! Got it :)
Best of luck to you. I'd better get back to work. Thanks BESW, I'll report back
Say hi to @eimyr if he's still around
ttfn
 
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12:09
> Abandon the safety precautions. You may get +3 to Create Advantage with spells that would do bad stuff, but you must also count as a target of the spell ins ome way, and this has to also be bad news for you.
> First Fig. If your spell has a negative effect, you can increase the outcome of your roll by one step (from failure to tie, from tie to success, from success to success with style) if you choose to suffer that effect (as if you failed to defend against it, if applicable).
@BESW excellent. even better. :D
What's the First Fig name come from?
> "First Fig"
My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night;
But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends—
It gives a lovely light!
- Edna St. Vincent Millay
12:25
oh, beautiful.
> Bribed the safety inspector. When you build an invention, you can add one extra stunt effect for every extra trouble aspect you give the item.
> Real science is real dangerous! When you take an action with Science, anyone sharing the scene with you (including yourself) can choose to fill their lowest available consequence slot to increase the outcome of your roll by one step. This effect is cumulative.
12:45
@BESW this made me laugh.
With enough collateral damage, you can accomplish anything!
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13:07
Hiya!
@kviiri Good morning/afternoon/evening/night to you!
> Dwarven engineering. When building an invention, you may take Consequences in place of assigning the invention Troubles. (Alt. name: the price of a masterpiece)
I've all but finalized by CD scenario. In the 1850's a retiring Russian colonel Alexander Pimenko buys himself a desolate villa, planning to renovate it as a Summer residence. After a few months of renovations, the villa is in a pretty good shape and the good colonel invites his friends (the investigators) to "check up" on the manor - ostensibly, that is. The real purpose is to have a jolly time there.
> Wombat engineering. When creating or fixing an item or structure, you can remove any trouble aspects on it if you take twice the time a dwarf would to do the same job.
Upon arrival, things start to get disturbing: bloated mice, rats and other animals appear, and puddles form on the floors without an apparent source. Furthermore, there's a sauna lodge at the lakeside that seems to demain damp and rotting despite all attempts to repair it. It seems it begins rotting almost as soon as it's fixed again.
13:16
Sounds like a good setting
Good thematically coherent hooks.
Legend has it that the manor/villa was abandoned a century ago when crops and cattle were lost to a curse that left fields swamped and cattle bloated, as if drowned. Occasionally, even peasants died in this way.
Of the few locals who remain, some recall their grandparents telling tales of the curse too, or confessing to actually partaking in the malevolent sorcery that caused the incidents.
Most think it's just tall tales, but Pimenko's entourage causes the incidents to begin anew.
oooh
I like how it's almost mundane enough that it would encourage players to look for mundane explanations
In the manor, there's some old books left from the previous owners, including an almanac with notes of the previous incidents. "August 11: Fields were flooded during the night. The rain was light but crops are wiped out. <Peasant's name> found a round green jewel in the field, about the size of a man's fist. We took it to the manor waiting for appraisal." That's the last log entry.
Local folklore, if pressed enough, also mentions said green jewels as a component of sorcery, but their actual method of use is not detailed.
On their first night at the mansion, the investigators can smell smoke and hear weird howling. Firewood has went missing in large quantities.
Spooooooky!
The foreman, Maunu Antinpoika, gets unrattled and starts trying to throw the investigators off the track.
Workmen start drowning. In places nowhere near water.
Finally the investigators see the fiend, a large humanoid-ish abomination that lurks beneath the sauna lodge, and wherever it goes, is followed by a filthy torrent of water it drowns its victims in. It has remained dormant for a century, but is now roused again from its slumber.
Turns out the green jewels are actually the creature's eggs, and local have been hiding them in other's barns, fields, homes as a way to "curse" them. The creature then would eventually awake and go retrieve her eggs, with terrible results.
Then the stories of the curse spread, the manor and the village were abandoned, and the creature could rest at peace. Now Maunu Antinpoika has rediscovered the cache, and being attracted by the pretty jewels, dragged them with him to the manor's basement vault to keep them secret and safe.
When the creature rouses, he realizes that the jewels are what the creature is after, and steals a large amount of firewood, trying to burn the eggs. Bad move.
The heat of the fire causes the eggs to hatch, something the creature's own, cold body couldn't manage to do. Now the cellar is full of little water fiends calling for their mother.
I expect this to end with the investigators deciding to burn everything.
13:40
Sup
Hi Skathix!
Hey buddy
How's it going
All good. Trying to refine my horror scenario a bit, as you can see :)
Yeah, I really like this
It's really good
Thanks! I wonder if it should still include some ancient artifact or spell or something.
13:42
Never hurts
What level are they?
As a red herring, there's a Kalevala-esque spell poem carved on the wall of the sauna lodge.
@Skathix This is Cthulhu Dark, no levels here. Apart from insanity level, but everyone starts at 1 :)
Oh neat!
My players love a good horror setting
So for the month of october, they're going to get creeped out, I'm going Silent Hill on them
Were you here for the description of my campaign about the Dragon Stones?
@kviiri I feel like this detail should be left out. The round green jewel is better off poorly understood. If green jewels are just a standard component of sorcery, this takes it from inexplicable cosmic horror to "oh it's just a spellcasting component, I understand those".
@Skathix Yeah, we were discussing possible effects for the stones.
@doppelgreener That's true.
I agree with Doppel
Have you listened to Welcome to Night Vale Kviiri?
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Nope.
@kviiri This sounds familiar...
Well it's a podcast that's based on H.P. Lovecraft's unpublished stuff
The thing they do best is lack of description
They describe around the events, instead of detailing things. For instance "A man in a tan leather jacket with a deerskin briefcase" is an "antagonist" of sorts
But that's about the most description you get from him
There is an entire episode about a man who is not tall and a man who is not short
@kviiri I would also be tempted to leave out any notion of calm, sane, rational people calmly partaking in sorcery. People doing this unwillingly, or people who are neither calm nor sane nor rational in the doing of it, perhaps. It might be best to have those grandparents that are reachable simply have suspicions and wild accusations to make about who was causing the curse and why. (They may confess to ... gruesome reprisals against suspected individuals.)
Here I went for sort of three antagonists: the creature under the lodge is the main villain, the eggs/worms are the primary motivator for the story and Maunu the Foreman is "the cultist" of sorts.
With Cthulu, you would do well to implement as much of that as possible, describe without detailing so their imagination can run wild
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@doppelgreener Yeah, since the village was abandoned a century ago all the actual culprits are already dead. All that remains is some weird local legends and deathbed confessions, distorted by a chain of re-tellings.
@kviiri However, people finding green jewels, suspecting they are the locus of terrible curses, and using them malevolently -- this maintains the curse and green jewels being poorly explained, and the people who used them like this would probably have some severe personal qualms with what they once did. This kind of detail I like.
@kviiri cecilspeaks.tumblr.com/post/82777490561/… read a bit of this to get a sense of what I mean
@doppelgreener Yeah, I think no one alive during this timeframe or even the past timeframe knows the truth about the jewels until Maunu tries to torch them. After that, he knows, and he sort of loses it after realizing what he's done.
@Skathix Sure thing, thanks.
After all, they've heard rumours and legends, and maybe this is the same jewel they've heard of? Some would be horrified and run away or try to hide the horrifying thing; others would see in it opportunity to get rid of so-and-so or otherwise manipulate outcomes -- but, well, I don't think anyone would feel good about hearing the horrific things they actually inflicted on someone by doing this, and that might traumatise the culprit.
During the main sequence of events, the basement vault is full of water fiend worms, calling out to their mother, with Maunu doing his best to prevent anyone from entering the vault.
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It's kinda like finding a snake and leaving it in your hated rival's food pouch. Except, this thing does horrifying things, and you don't understand it. Add in the possible scenarios where there's innocent bystanders: their family comes to visit, it turns out they have a kid, etc
@doppelgreener Yeah, true.
I found this on imgur, it's a FFXIV class conversion for 5e
I showed my players, and they immediately wanted to change classes lol
@kviiri Be prepared for the characters to react by trying to push the shiny red "do not press" button as hard as they can: they may suddenly want to find a way into the basement first thing.
You may be better off having Maunu trying to hide the jewels, then as the investigators start poking around too much, he tries to dispose of them in a late act -- and escalates the circumstances in doing so.
One might consider that Maunu's already passed the insanity 5 threshold and is now trying to obstruct the investigation and destroy evidence. :)
So the dragon stones are now also acting like the crystals from Final Fantasy V, granting new jobs. If they take them they go back to level 1, they lose all their magic items, but keep their non-class feats.
Cthulu sounds awesome, I unfortunately know nothing about it
@doppelgreener True. I was thinking about having the vault be locked/hidden until it's convenient for it to be opened, but that's just... cheap, right?
@doppelgreener Yeah, that's very much the case for him!
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@Skathix This in particular is (if I read correctly) Cthulhu Dark, not merely "Cthulhu".
I know so little I didn't know there was a difference.
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