TRPG General Chat

nitsua60

01:48

Hiya--is that a Wonder Woman symbol you threw out there?
=w=

@Anaphory @BESW @SevenSidedDie and other Dungeon World advisors--how crazy would it be to not convert my group's characters? Just print off the move sheets but use their 5e stats/modifiers? At elast for a session or two?

Pixie

@nitsua60 Oh! It's a cat face.

nitsua60

@Pixie guess I'm missing the gestalt... even with three cats I'm not seeing it =(

I see whiskers, but what's the 'w' for?

Pixie

It's the mouth, and the =w= are actually the eyes.

nitsua60

hmm...

Pixie

(I couldn't find any actual cats making it, but.)

nitsua60

01:54

"Cats Making It" would be a good name for a band, methinks.

Pixie

It's a Japanese-style emoticon. I have a weird lexicon of both American and Japanese emoticons that I use out of strong habit to communicate specific emotions. I try to reduce it in places like this, but I'm not very good at that. If I'm talking casually... I'm probably using emoticons.

BESW

nitsua60

I think it worked--me interpreting it as wonder woman in reference to you having, in a past life, mastery of fighting forms long-forgotten stuck the landing pretty well!

Pixie

@BESW Yes! I think, generally, most people use =w= to express contentment.

I usually don't, though I'm not sure if my usage of it is widespread or if it's just a weird thing I've picked up. =w= in my case is often wry, because the eyes look tired to me. Compare to =o=.

nitsua60

@Pixie That's definitely Puss in Boots singing opera, right?

Pixie

02:02

@nitsua60 Hehe. If only I were Wonder Woman in a past life.

nitsua60

(9 year-old you was apparently pretty bad-ass, according to my read...

11 hours ago, by Pixie

@Zachiel Everybody starts somewhere. :P Though in my case, I actually started when I was 9 years old. I've just managed to forget everything I used to know. =w=

Pixie

My friends did fear me in the context of fighting games.

trogdor

@nitsua60 that seems odd, I am not sure how you would work it

nitsua60

@trogdor DW modifiers live in the +3/-3 ranges, right? And moves really just stem from the narration and only ever reference the modifiers? So... maybe we can spare the trouble of re-building while we experiment?

trogdor

I myself was definitely "middling" at fighting games

@nitsua60 I suppose so? it seems like it would work wherever there is overlap, but in any place that the moves they have don't fit exactly with what the characters can do, I don't have any idea how that would work

that being said, when you put it that way I also don't necessarily see exactly how it would be a problem

Pixie

02:10

@trogdor I wouldn't actually say that I was great at them. If I'd gone up against someone truly skilled, I probably would have lost a lot. But among my close friends and siblings, I did pretty well. xD

nitsua60

What about HP? Do DW characters end up with similar amounts?

trogdor

@Pixie I won what I want to say is almost exactly half the games I ever played, MAYBE a little more than that

nitsua60

Or do they just have a number that doesn't "level up" with XP?

(I.e. a sensible HP system)

trogdor

to be fair, the majority of them were against either my brother or the computer opponents

though for the computer opponents it was certainly more than half the games I won

I don't really know how much they count

@nitsua60 in what I played, no

it was a little more Fate like in that regard, as I recall

Pixie

Depends on the game for me.

trogdor

02:14

@nitsua60 characters have a certain number of hits they can take, some more than others, but every hit is a big deal

nitsua60

@trogdor Looks like it's just (CLASS BASE) + (CON) for your whole life. Unless you change Con score or class.

trogdor

not like hp in D&D for sure

@nitsua60 the version you are playing may be pretty different

I played Monster of The Week

@Pixie same, I think Soul Calibur was my best

nitsua60

This may work....

trogdor

I was ok at Tekken too, as I may have mentioned, but because I actually got attached to characters like Mitsurugi, Lizardman (of course) Talim and Voldo, I practiced with those specific characters a lot

and technically Lizardman was just a re skin of Cassandra, and or Sophitia

at least in most versions I played

nitsua60

@trogdor do you think there's a mainsite question hiding in here?

trogdor

02:17

@nitsua60 using 5e stats for DW?

Pixie

@trogdor I'm between Soul Calibur and Bloody Roar for my best. I forgot Bloody Roar skills more quickly, so that years later, when I picked it up again to play my then-boyfriend... I lost EVERY time that day. xD Yet, at one time, it was the game I was feared most in. :P Because my sister liked Soul Calibur too, I played it a lot more and for a lot longer.

nitsua60

@trogdor yeah

trogdor

@nitsua60 I think there is something in there

nitsua60

or "How can DW be run with a 5e character?"

trogdor

I don't know exactly how you would need to word it, or how many people could really really help you, but I think it can definitely work as a question

@nitsua60 yeah sorta like that seems like it could work, to me

nitsua60

02:20

@trogdor Oh, you know SSD'd have no trouble walking though it =)

trogdor

@Pixie to be fair, I think King of Fighters, Street fighter, Soul Calibur, and Tekken were the only ones I didn't play literally just one time

nitsua60

I'll try to write it up in the morning. Getting too late to deal with the inevitable massaging it'd need/get.

trogdor

@nitsua60 fair enough XD

nitsua60

@trogdor Thanks!

trogdor

no problem

Pixie

02:22

@trogdor KoF is probably my favorite, though not my best, series. I got really into character design as a kid, and KoF has nothing if not fun character design.

trogdor

@Pixie I think it had King in it? he was definitely my favorite character design, just a guy with a leopard head XD

it was fantastic

I wasn't great at the game, but I still liked him a lot and therefore the game itself

I am sure I mentioned that before

Pixie

@trogdor No, that's Tekken. KoF's King is a really cool, suave bartender.

trogdor

@Pixie ah ok

I am sure I also played King of Fighters though

I must have just gotten what game he was in mixed up

Pixie

@trogdor Easy to do, since KoF is called King of Fighters and also has a King. xD You might like this character in the upcoming KoF XIV though, if you liked Tekken's King:

trogdor

it looks familiar, I think I at least played it once

Pixie

02:26

trogdor

then again, it looks a lot like a few other fighting games, and maybe the name and some of the characters are just really familiar

@Pixie A+ for him

yesssss

Pixie

I'm pretty excited.

trogdor

if he is in it, then so am I now XDXD

Shalvenay

hey there @nitsua60

Pixie

@trogdor Most of the KoF games were 2D fighters. If you played around 1999 or later, you might remember these three guys.

Two of three you might remember if you've played... almost any KoF game. :P

trogdor

02:50

@Pixie I think we talked about the guy in the middle with the red hair

at one point

Pixie

Probably, he is one of my favorites. xD

I recall discussing the game at some point, too.

trogdor

I don't remember what we SAID about him, but he definitely sticks in my memory

I would recognize that hair anywhere, I think

Pixie

It was possibly in the context of my theory that his hair is a symbiotic being.

trogdor

that definitely sounds familiar

Miniman

My best was definitely Soul Calibur 2, although I used some pretty questionable tactics.

trogdor

03:02

like what?

reach poking?

Miniman

Well, Cervantes has this one move where he stabs them with both swords, lifts them up, and throws them to the ground.

Let's just say I got a lot more Ring Outs than Knock Outs.

Pixie

Heh.

trogdor

@Miniman ah ok

I did that kind of thing a few times myself

but then again, not too often

Miniman

It wouldn't have worked against anyone who was actually good at the game, obviously, but in casual play with friends I got a few controllers thrown at me.

Pixie

I can imagine. xD

trogdor

03:06

yeah

I did that a lot more to the computer than to people

Miniman

I'll be honest, I wasn't a very nice person when I was younger.

Actually, I'm still not, but I've learned to fake it.

trogdor

well in some other games I definitely abused mechanics

in Halo I loved sticking plasma grenades to people

like, throwing a whole bunch of them while sitting where the grenades spawned

and having maybe slightly better aim with them than most people I played with

and like, eating people as Kirby in smash

and just dropping with them

but in Soul Calibur, I didn't feel like I needed to resort to that tactic most of the time

Pixie

I doubt there's a kid alive who played fighting games and didn't do cheap stuff at least on occasion, though. :P I remember Mai's fan in KoF being used to great effect amongst us...

Can't remember if I did it, but it was definitely done to me. xD

trogdor

my group considered Raphiel in Soul Calibur pretty cheap

Miniman

@trogdor Mine too.

trogdor

03:15

he had decent reach and still attacked as fast or faster than most people

and he had one move that basically stun locked you

Miniman

@trogdor Faster. Definitely faster.

trogdor

I do admit to using him sometimes

but he was not one of my favorites

@Miniman yeah at least mostly

I think some characters might have been tied with him, but none of them had his reach for sure

Miniman

I always thought Yoshimitsu's pogo sword was pretty cheap, but just way too awesome to say anything bad about it.

Joel Harmon

@nitsua60 you can't translate (directly) the modifiers from 5e to dungeon world; the ranges and modifiers are both just different

Pixie

Kilik spamming is what I recall the most with Soul Calibur.

trogdor

03:18

@Pixie there was some of that too

not as much though

Miniman

@Pixie That's the staff guy, right?

Pixie

@Miniman Yep.

trogdor

@Miniman yep

Miniman

Never saw much use among my friends.

trogdor

I think, for us, he was the guy BEFORE Raphiel

but then he dropped off somewhat after that

Pixie

03:20

I can't remember who, but at least one or two people in my group used him at least on occasion. I didn't usually play him against other people, and I wasn't fond of him as a character, but there was something gratifying about whacking AIs with a big stick.

trogdor

and at one point or another I started sticking to literally only playing Mitsurugi, Talim, Voldo, and Lizardman

cause I liked them for some reason or other

Pixie

Talim was my main, with occasionally Ivy and later some Tira when she was introduced. My sister played Mitsurugi and I think Sophitia and Taki, but she played her custom characters with their styles more often. That was the really fun thing with SC.

trogdor

my brother did think Mitsurugi was cheap, but only when I used him

Mitsurugi was definitely the one I played the most

Miniman

I mostly played Cervantes, but I dabbled in Yoshimitsu and occasionally Astaroth.

trogdor

but I liked that 3 on 3 mode

with him Talim and Voldo/Lizardman

Miniman

03:23

@Pixie I have bad memories of custom characters; I wasn't the one who owned the console, and whenever someone used a custom we universally agreed they were overpowered.

Pixie

Somebody played Raphael... I can't actually remember being annoyed with him. I recall being amused by him. Maybe they weren't very good.

@Miniman Yeah, I can understand that. Much better if it's customs vs. customs (and even then, there are better and worse builds).

Miniman

@Pixie I recall having the same problem with some of the NPC characters (like Bandit or Assassin) - it's likely we were just bad at the game.

Scratch that, we were bad at the game.

It's likely that we thought characters were overpowered because we were bad at the game.

trogdor

yeah, same

part of the Raphiel thing for me was that that mostly happened when I hadn't yet decided on favorite characters yet, and that is distinctive because that was around the time I started to be at my peak at the game, AND I could split my practice in between them with a better balance

instead of just playing someone random or who I knew cheesy tactics with

Miniman

This reminds me, do we consider Super Smash Bros a fighting game?

trogdor

sorta, I think the name for that kinda thing is "brawler"

it does have elements that would definitely not be considered part of the normal "fighting" game

Miniman

03:34

Thinking about it, the fact that I was actually good at it is a pretty good reason not to consider it a fighting game XD

trogdor

like the emphasis on more than one combatant, a slightly (but only slightly, and only depending who you ask) less high skill ceiling, upward and downward mobility, defeating people in a way other than reducing hp as a main mechanic

Pixie

@Miniman Hmm, I don't know. There can definitely be balance issues in fighting games. I can also vouch for the fact that the items used to build custom characters could skew things one way or another.

Shalvenay

@Miniman I would consider it so, yes

Miniman

@Pixie Oh, definitely. But I don't think any of us were actually capable of detecting those imbalances.

Pixie

Miniman

03:38

@Pixie #drama

Pixie

Really, it depends on who you ask. :P I'd say that it is a fighting game, but it's in a different vein than something like Soul Calibur.

trogdor

I don't care too much about the distinction, but if the subject is raised I would probably say it deserves it's own seperate genre name

Joel Harmon

sounds like they're likely using different definitions, and won't agree on those because they imply things about their preconceived notions

Pixie

Oh, certainly. I just find the proximity amusing.

trogdor

either way though, not too big a deal

you want to call it a fighting game? I won't stop you or argue

if you don't then I at least technically agree with you, though possibly for different less volatile reasons than some

Miniman

03:43

Actually, there's a thought: Most videogames involve fighting in some sense. Therefore, when we say "fighting game", we actually mean "game that falls into the genre commonly labeled as fighting games".

Which makes it even more arbitrary than most genre distinctions.

trogdor

lol

well that is the thing, I always thought fighting game was just the name for the 2D sidescroll 1v1 games where you have moves and combos and stuff

then Soul Calibur introduced some 3D stuff in there

where does the line get drawn? XD

if nowhere then the name is useless

Joel Harmon

names for fuzzy categories can be very useful

trogdor

but too narrow and it excludes some games that probably deserve to be called that

Joel Harmon

see "RPG player", "Democrat", "Human"

trogdor

@JoelHarmon well, Fuzzy isn't the same as nonexistent

Miniman

03:47

@JoelHarmon I find it worrying that you consider "human" to be a fuzzy category.

Joel Harmon

I was discussing the idea of abortion with someone earlier; there does appear to be debate on just when a human becomes a human

Miniman

@JoelHarmon Ah, like that.

From that POV I can see what you mean.

Joel Harmon

(Please don't sidetrack into politics, it's just an example. Please don't sidetrack into politics, it's just an example. Please don't sidetrack into politics, it's just an example.)

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Miniman

@JoelHarmon I wasn't going to.

Joel Harmon

I didn't mean to imply anything about anyone, and in fact I was careful to word my statement to be neutral about my position (which I hold strongly). However, I understand that some people fixate on political issues and can't help themselves when there's an opening.

trogdor

03:56

I would rather not start in on that kind of thing either, no worries there

Joel Harmon

anyway, classifications of games can be loose, and that's a good thing; it allows for "like this but with a neat twist", instead of "yet another clone"

trogdor

this is true

I just kinda wanted to acknowledge how Smash Bros inovated

and in fact that they did enough different to at least warrant calling those games by their own genre or subgenre

Joel Harmon

well, I have to step out; talk to you all later, I'm sure.

trogdor

without saying it was literally wrong to call them fighters

@JoelHarmon yep, good day to you

Miniman

@JoelHarmon Cya!

Pixie

04:01

Smash Bros. is a bit of an oddball; I'd say it's got elements of fighting game, brawler, and platformer. Anyway, it's fun, whatever anyone wants to call it. :P Been years since I played it, though.

Miniman

@Pixie Elements of beat 'em up, too.

Pixie

@Miniman I think "beat 'em up" is used interchangeably with "brawler." That's what I'm talking about when I say that, anyway.

Miniman

@Pixie We're talking about games where you punch your way through hordes of faceless mooks, right? Usually sidescrolling?

Pixie

@Miniman Yep, that's it.

Miniman

@Pixie That explains a lot! My personal understanding of "brawler" was along the lines of "games like SSB", and that makes a lot more sense.

trogdor

04:08

it is a hard game to give a genre name to

Shalvenay

@trogdor agreed -- innovative games usually are that way ;)

trogdor

it has a lot of elements mixed into it that belong to relatively distinctive genres or subgenres

Pixie

On the subject of games like this, anyone else remember Digimon Rumble Arena? I really liked it, especially the second one.

Miniman

@Pixie I remember of it. (In the same sense as "know of it" as opposed to "know it".)

Pixie

Heh. I think I spent more time playing it than Smash, but by myself.

Adeptus

04:18

@nitsua60 Also note, that's Constitution value, not CON bonus. One of the few places the raw value is used, I think.

trogdor

@Miniman same for me there

I may have tried it once, or that could be me recalling watching someone else play it briefly, either way it was a while ago

Miniman

@trogdor Side note: The English language needs a better phrase for that particular sentiment.

trogdor

I suppose it does

Shalvenay

"remember of it?"

trogdor

English has a lot of improvement to be made to it in general

Miniman

04:21

@Shalvenay Yeah...and if I was being honest, "know of it" could use some work too.

Shalvenay

@Miniman s/remember of it/remember it exists/

Adeptus

The fighting games I remember playing most were KoF, Mortal Kombat, & Street Fighter. I loved MK's ninjas - Scorpion's harpoon & Sub Zero's freeze were both very effective followed by an uppercut.

Pixie

I never played Mortal Kombat. I did play some of the older Street Fighters occasionally, but not often enough to remember them much at all. I didn't own them, and I was usually playing King of Fighters or Tekken or Evil Zone with the friend who did.

trogdor

I played some Mortal Kombat but not much

and i never "finished him" XD

I certainly didn't play long enough to learn any of those button combos

Pixie

05:01

I have no words for this, other than "these rock."

4

trogdor

^^ dragons = always awesome

XD

user15026

@Pixie I love that someone thought them up and that they are a real thing you can buy.

Pixie

@Ash Me too! I want them!

trogdor

oh,.,

I didn't even realize that

I thought they were someones craft project

that is pretty awesome XD

BESW

@Pixie Nooo I already have one half-finished gonzo miniRPG I don't need to start writing another.

user15026

05:11

@BESW but dragon rock stars!

Pixie

@BESW Yeah! Dragon rock stars!

From SPACE!

[is a bad influence]

BESW

You've seen what I did with the concept of surgeons fighting Death, right?

Pixie

I have.

trogdor

I would play that RPG,.. but no one is surprised

oh my god, some of them have jackets on XD I can't take this XDXD

Pixie

05:30

The idea of dragon rock stars from space has somehow combined with a song I've been listening to tonight. I am now imagining popstar rivals calling down the dragon gods of rock to battle (of the bands) one another.

trogdor

that sounds a lot like what I wished Skyrim was like

XD

Miniman

@Pixie Like that one scene in Scott Pilgrim?

Pixie

@Miniman Haven't read/seen.

Miniman

@Pixie Worth a look!

Pixie

If it has popstar rivals calling down dragon gods of rock to battle (of the bands) one another, I absolutely should, though.

Miniman

05:34

@Pixie Not quite, sadly.

Pixie

Aw.

trogdor

yeah it is a little less awesome than that

course, just about everything is at least a little less awesome than dragon anything

Pixie

05:47

Me being me, I'm envisioning something a bit like Symphogear except with ridiculous rock dragons descending from the heavens (partial nudity warning for the video, kind of a magical girl transformation).

trogdor

good to know

can't look at that at the moment then XD

trogdor

06:42

@Pixie ok, I have never heard of that, but it looks sufficiently awesome

XD

Pixie

@trogdor It's pretty neat. It's about girls who control ancient techno-armor with their voices to fight an alien invasion. It could be a little too fanservicey for my taste at times, but I still enjoyed the first season and might watch more eventually.

trogdor

aah

fan service that happens too often is one of the things that bothers me

I am sure I even mentioned how it stopped me from watching Gurren Lagan for a while

I am so glad I got over it for that, cause it was super worth it

Pixie

It wasn't constant, IIRC, but it had its moments.

Miniman

@trogdor It really bugs me when it distracts from awesomeness.

Pixie

It's been a long time since I watched it. I didn't realize they'd made more, but now I think there are like 3 seasons or something.

Miniman

06:47

It's like, you had this great fight scene (or whatever), you put all this work into it, it's got all this cool stuff going on, why are you drawing attention away from it?

trogdor

@Miniman true that

though I don't think Gurren Laggan did it that specific way too often

but still, I did feel like, when Yoko was being fanservice-y, it was just time they could have spent on more important stuff that led up to awesome

Pixie

But conceptually, I love the idea of not only singing while you fight but singing to fight. xD

trogdor

thankfully she was probably being awesome herself more often than fanservice-y

@Pixie it does seem like an awesome concept, and at least in that particular clip seemed well executed

Pixie

Maybe that's why I love my PF skald so much...

BESW

07:08

Gravity Falls - Taking Over Midnight

►

Pixie

(I decided that the Animetal version of the Rose of Versailles theme was the default feel for his raging song, because it totally fits his image. Imagine someone coming at you with a longsword while singing like this about things like ~roses dying beautifully~. AMAZING lung capacity.)

@BESW That's amazing. I really, really need to watch more Gravity Falls.

BESW

@Pixie I recently binged-showed it to Trogdor, and am more slowly introducing the rest of my group to it as we have time.

Pixie

@BESW I love what I've seen, but it's been a very long time. Last I checked, there were no DVDs, and it wasn't on Netflix or Hulu or anywhere (but maybe that's changed). Hard for me to keep up with like that.

Miniman

@BESW Oh yeah, I meant to mention I started watching it. Thanks for recommending it, that was a great call.

BESW

@Pixie Have you seen Ursula Vernon's "ork poet" character?

Adeptus

07:16

@Pixie Still no DVDs AFAIK. Don't know about streaming sources. It is/was on "Disney XD" channel, so might be some episodes on their website.

Pixie

@BESW I have! A good character, most definitely.

Pixie

07:30

Looks like I can get it on Amazon streaming, but it's kind of expensive. The first season is only $25, but the second season is $46. $46 is a good collector's DVD set kind of price point... ah well. Hopefully DVDs will come out eventually.

William Mariager

08:30

@nitsua60 Something I'm working on myself. :)

Anaphory

@nitsua60 Could you give me a sample character? I barely know 5e (or any D&D, for that matter), in particular beyond lvl 1.

doppelgreener

12:44

sharing this image here because it seems relephant to us

5

BESW

...I may need to get this on my tombstone.

nitsua60

13:13

@mxyzplk in re these comments I've just been responding and flagging for deletion. Since they're not using the chat room I can't ping them from there to try to drag the conversation into chat. If you've got any advice on how to better keep things clean without wasting you-all's time I'm all ears =)

BESW

13:32

@nitsua60 I think the standard line on that is to leave a comment saying "Let's take it to chat" with a link to the room and then not respond to them in comments anymore.

nitsua60

@BESW thanks--done.

eimyr

14:12

@nitsua60 Hello!

nitsua60

@eimyr hiya

eimyr

Have you seen my new search?

Anaphory

The one he pinged us two in.

eimyr

Nitsua has been quite appreciative of chat statistics, so I'm eager to give him new ones.

Probably excessively so.

nitsua60

@eimyr vegetarian recipes--yup. Aahhh, that's why. I wasn't quite sure wherefore I was pinged; I couldn't remember divulging any of my views on lentils here =)

eimyr

14:27

No, last time I did a BESWism search it was the ..name for a band one

nitsua60

14:38

@eimyr that was a pretty excellent one. We should make up a playlist of all those bands... "Here we listen to some music that was, some music that is, and some music... that has not yet come to pass."

Anaphory

We do have some album titles as well, and things like that.

nitsua60