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00:00

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BESW

00:47

> The undead are not subtle, so their skills always end with an exclamation point.

Miniman

01:00

@BESW I Deny! these vitalist allegations.

Asteria

@Miniman is undead, confirmed

Miniman

@Asteria We prefer the term "differently-alive".

trogdor

01:17

or "less necromanticly challenged"

Miniman

@trogdor Maybe even "non-lifespan-limited".

trogdor

well, that one works a little too broadly

I mean, Immortals of any kind would be called that

Miniman

@trogdor We are happy to be grouped with our eternal brethren. Except celestials. Those guys are jerks.

trogdor

well then there you go

it is a slight problem isn't it?

Miniman

01:33

It's true..."animated" (as opposed to "animate", and incorporating "reanimated") would work, and includes our close kindred, the golems.

Adeptus

@Tijnkwan That's a duplicate of rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/40734/…

Miniman

01:56

Also need to note that "self-animated" is included in this category. Liches are the last unholy beings I would want to exclude.

Ben

02:13

@Miniman ok, I hate to be a nit-picker, but the answer is solely relying on the use of magic, or magical items in this case, outside of physically forcing the Rage to end by either KO'ing the user, or avoiding conflict for a round

Actually, would a grapple work?

The requirements for a Rage to continue are for the user to make a successful Attack, or to take damage. So in a grapple, can they successfully "Attack"?

Miniman

@Ben Yes. You can freely attack the grappler.

lithas

Grappled is pretty significantly nerfed in 5e compared to other editions

or at least it feels that way to me

Miniman

But, I continue to get the impression I'm missing your actual question. What's the motivation? Why does it matter that I only listed spells?

Ben

I'm just trying to clarify. For example, if the opponent had no magic, or magical items at his expense, there's no way to end the Rage, other than the methods I have previously mentioned - avoiding being attacked, or attacking the user.

Miniman

I mean, that's pretty much true of spellcasters, too. Everyone has to fulfill the rage-ending conditions to end the rage.

lithas

02:19

It turns out that denying a barbarian the ability to Rage makes him nothing more than a really bad fighter.

Ben

On the subject of the grapple however, (you'll have to forgive me, my memory of it is fuzzy), once grappled, you can either attempt to break free (spending an action) or attack the grappler. Correct?

lithas

You see similar problems with trying to deny a Rogue the ability to Sneak Attack: These features are a core and critical part of the classes, the 5e designers made it intentionally very difficult to deny them because of that

Miniman

You can attempt to break free with an action, or do anything else that you can normally do.

lithas

The only thing you can't do is move (unless you can move with a movespeed of 0 somehow)

Ben

I'm asking in the case of facing off against these abilities. 1-on-1 a Barbarian vs say, a Fighter is actually fairly unbalanced

Miniman

02:21

Yeah.

@Ben Ok, I'm going to come right out and say it - it seems like the question you asked is only vaguely related to what you're actually trying to find out.

Ben

Ok, is there a better way of phrasing it? The information you've provided is relevant still.

Miniman

How can a character force a Barbarian to end a Rage with no spells or magic items? Is a perfectly reasonable question, but it's not what you asked.

The answer I'd give to that question would include "a mundane net will usually work".

Ben

Well, yes and no. I tried to keep it open, because using spells is a legitimate tactic, as is using a net.

Miniman

A list of every tactic that could conceivably be used is miles long. If your looking for tactics you can use, ask about your specific situation.

Ben

Hm... ok. I'll try to re-think it. And I think I might ask it as a new question too.

Miniman

02:26

Note that I commented straight away to ask whether you were looking for strategies, and you said you weren't.

Ben

I think maybe I didn't have a specific scope on the question to begin with.

I'll make this question a bit more specific too.

Unless you think it works ok? @Miniman

Miniman

@Ben I think it's ok - maybe a little obvious (if you want to end the rage, fulfill the rage-ending conditions) but perfectly fine.

Ben

Ok. :)

Miniman

02:46

@Ben Your new question is...*really* broad.

A list of every spell, ability, or item that can either render someone unconscious or make them not attack or make them not move or make them follow a command is already really broad, and then we have stuff like "stay more than 30 feet away" which doesn't work if he has a ranged weapon, so "stay more than 300 feet away", or hide, or...

The reference to the original question also makes me think once again that I have no idea what that question was actually asking - non-combat tactics sounds like you're asking for answers like "talk the barbarian into ending his rage"

Miniman

03:10

Wait, acratch

@Ben Wait, ignore everything I just said - I apparently completely failed reading back in kindergarten.

@Ben Ok, now that I've actually read it, how is your new question different to your original question? The new question specifies combat tactics, and says that the original specified non-combat tactics, but the original doesn't say that...so...huh?

nitsua60

03:34

@Miniman Yeah: grapple, net, and hide were the three that first popped into my head. Of course, a friend and I have recently been bandying about the idea that his barbarian might self-attack any time a target wasn't around just to maintain the rage... A punch in the face for 1 dmg (unarmed strike), halved due to resistance, rounded down means the barbarian can sustain the rage...

@Ben attack doesn't need to be successful to continue the rage--it just needs to be taken. You can whiff and be really frustrated by that =)

Miniman

@nitsua60 Would you mind reading back a ways and seeing if you can make this make sense for me? At this point I'm not sure I actually have any idea what either question is asking.

nitsua60

03:51

@Miniman I have read back, and I'm not sure what @Ben is getting at either. I think this is a case where we need to help Ben dial in on what his problem, not his question, is.

The list of things that end the rage is very simple: cause the barbarian to drop of his own accord, prevent damage to him one round, prevent him attacking one round. Like you say, the list of how to achieve each of those things is rather long and (IMO) uninteresting. Feels like doing someone else's homework.

Ben

Ok I have hopefully clarified the first question.

nitsua60

@Miniman do you have five minutes for 5e brainstorming?

@Ben [looking]

Miniman

@nitsua60 Yep, although as always I may suffer temporary existence failures.

nitsua60

@Miniman except: hold that thought. I wanna get back to Ben a moment.

@Ben Ok, so you know all the ways to avoid damaging the barbarian, you know all the ways to prevent him attacking, and you're wondering about other ways... is that right?

Ben

@nitsua60 Yes, if that makes sense?

Miniman

04:01

@Ben Looks good to me; to be more specific, it looks like the question I answered in my answer :) so now I have to ask: what's the newer question about?

Ben

Clarifying that now. I'm adding reference to the Fighter, as we were discussing earlier. I have a bad habit of keeping questions open.

nitsua60

@Ben Sure. Then I think significantly tighten up your question. Something like "I really want to stop barbarians' rage without going toe-to-toe. How can I force a barbarian to end his rage, themself?" Saying "what are the ways" implies there might be a multiplicity when you already know there's only one: the barbarian has to end it via his bonus action.

Shalvenay

hey @Ben

Ben

Quick question - I don't have the material infront of me, so I'm blanking pretty hard, but Fighters can employ "Skills" when they level up, right? Like "Sentinel", yeah?

Shalvenay

@Ben Feats? yeah

nitsua60

04:05

@Shalvenay Behold the cheese!

Ben

Ok, hopefully that's a bit more specific

nitsua60

@Ben [looking]

@Ben what lucky dice rolls are you talking about?

Shalvenay

also @Ben -- is this a sign we'll see you back on the weekends, too?

nitsua60

@Ben Also, I'm not quite sure I'm clear on one point. You say that "avoiding being attacked by them" is a way to countermand Rage. What exactly do you mean? Dodge? Having really good AC?

Ben

@nitsua60 I mean lucky as in bad dice rolls on the barbarian's part - i.e. bad attack rolls etc

Miniman

04:09

@Ben That doesn't help - the Barbarian doesn't have to hit, just attack.

nitsua60

@Ben That's what I was afraid of. Because that doesn't matter, and I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding something. The barbarian doesn't have to hit anything to rage. Just has to attack.

Ben

@Shalvenay Hey, sorry about that! There might be soon, I have been so super busy lately!

nitsua60

32 mins ago, by nitsua60

@Ben attack doesn't need to be successful to continue the rage--it just needs to be taken. You can whiff and be really frustrated by that =)

Ben

Wow really?

OP haha

nitsua60

That's what the "Rage" description says. Ends if [among other things] you haven't attacked a hostile creature. Says nothing about hitting or damaging.

Miniman

04:10

Like the question about rogues recently, it's meant to be easy to use and benefit from your class features.

Ben

@Shalvenay I'll be keen to get back into some more 1v1 play :D

nitsua60

@Miniman Particularly your defining one.

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 haha, barbarian attacks you with a pillow, goes into rage

nitsua60

@Shalvenay even better: misses you with pillow, stays enraged.

Ben

Ok, well after that, is the question better? This is asking about purely physical situations, no tricks, no magic.

nitsua60

04:12

So fundamentally, @Ben, you need the barbarian not to attack, not just to fail when attacking. That's where @Miniman's suggestions about Suggestion, Command, Dominate come into play.

You've got to clarify that bit about "avoid being attacked."

Ben

@nitsua60 or not to be able to attack, yeah.

Miniman

@Ben That would definitely be better...but it doesn't actually state that restriction right now.

nitsua60

@Ben Right, so this is where we get something you haven't mentioned yet: Hide.

@Ben Also, what do you mean "no tricks"? Try to stick with game terms and you'll see us much less confused.

@Ben If the barbarian can't choose any targets, then can't attack, and doesn't sustain the rage.

@Miniman, @Shalvenay, @Ben: two-minutes' brainstorm?

Miniman

@nitsua60 Sure

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 make it quick xD

nitsua60

04:17

Okay, had session -1 of new IRL campaign tonight. We're rying to set in something like Earth's Bronze Age.

First quick thought, looking at equipment lists, was to excise all martial weapons and heavy armor.

Shalvenay

not a bad start

nitsua60

Unforeseen consequences? Playable class list is restricted to Bb, Ftr (only Champion), Dr, Rogue (no Arcane Trickster), Wild So, and Ranger.

Hey @BESW

Miniman

@Ben So, here is the edit I would suggest: Title: Mundane tactics to end a Barbarian's Rage Body: How can a character cause an enemy Barbarian's Rage to end without using spells, magic items, or class features?

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 not sure if Druid is a good fit for the setting or not....it's really a split between Druid and Cleric -- and I suspect you'd have to tailor the class to your setting either way you went

OTOH -- why no Bards?

nitsua60

One setting conceit is that such gods as may or may not exist aren't (yet) known. All magic is a sort of primal earth-driven magic.

Miniman

04:22

@nitsua60 You're probably eliminating Str-based builds for everyone except Barbarians.

nitsua60

'Cause... bards.

[j/k]

Shalvenay

it seems like an obvious omission from that list if you ask me, just in terms of character concepts

nitsua60

@Miniman because of the heavy weapons?

Miniman

@nitsua60 And the heavy armor.

nitsua60

@Shalvenay really it's because the idea was that arcane magic is so in its infancy that wild magic would be the highest level of "control" thus achieved.

@Miniman So maybe we pull the Maul into the weapon list...

Shalvenay

04:24

anyhow, I'd look at tailoring a custom Druid circle to fit your setting, and look at fitting some type of Bard (Valor Bard?) in there

nitsua60

It's a very mountainous region. Think like Andes or Himalayas.

Playable races are Goliath, Human, Svirfneblin.

Miniman

@nitsua60 It's up to you - a lot of mundane builds are effectively removed, if you're ok with that, that's fine.

nitsua60

@Miniman well, it's up to me and the players =) They're the ones who picked many of these restrictions.

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 I wonder if you could build a serviceable Bard around the bardic inspiration type stuff they do (i.e. without the casting)

maybe take a page or two from the 4e Warlord in terms of class abilities to give them?

nitsua60

@Shalvenay I've got zero 4e experience.

Shalvenay

04:28

understandable. it just seems to me that conceptually speaking, bards in your setting would work, just as mundane-ish leaders instead of casters

BESW

@nitsua60 [wave]

nitsua60

@Miniman You wouldn't fancy a STR-based druid who gets in and fights hard with a spear or maul, then fights hard as a bear?

Miniman

@nitsua60 My thoughts are all from a char-op perspective, and not really applicable.

nitsua60

@Miniman Fair.

@Shalvenay We had a similar discussion about Monks. Some were like "well, they don't really clash..." while others were "they don't seem to make obvious sense, either."

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 yeah, Monks make less sense because they come from a different setting tradition if you will

Miniman

04:30

@nitsua60 See previous comment - if I come up with a cool character concept, I'll play it and char-op be damned, but that's not what I'm doing here :)

nitsua60

@Miniman I had wondered if it nerfed the Ftr too much, as you've removed half of their weapon proficiency. Would one pick Ftr over Bb?

Shalvenay

(i.e. they reflect a different view of how combat is supposed to work vs the other martials)

but I need sleep

nitsua60

@Shalvenay right. Thanks, and see you 'round!

Miniman

@nitsua60 Hmmm...probably? Dex fighters haven't lost much. I wouldn't play a Str fighter, but Dex is the god stat anyway.

nitsua60

And the various styles (and maneuvers) all still make sense, too.

Miniman

04:34

The Barb is going to have to live with smaller damage dice, but then so is everyone else.

nitsua60

GWF mooted a little bit?

(Since you can't grab those 2d6 weapon re-rolls?)

Miniman

I guess my main worry would be the Druid - every other available class has had at least some nerf, but the Druid hasn't lost anything.

@nitsua60 Good point, it's another reason Str builds are much less viable.

nitsua60

@Miniman I see that in one way, but not in others. For instance the So has lost a source-choice, but the WM So is exactly the same here as before.

But the Ro, Ftr, Ra, and Bb all lose weapons and (for some) armor.

Maybe we need to do a careful excision of some spells?

I was planning on bringing in the Elemental Evil Player's Guide spells; perhaps we cycle some out to keep the list the same length and provide a small knock to the casters?

Miniman

@nitsua60 Yeah...but the WM sorcerer kinda sucks anyway.

nitsua60

Oh, no--my favorite!

Miniman

04:40

@nitsua60 Sorry.

nitsua60

(But agreed, the Draconic Sorceror gets some good things, and the whole chaos-manipulation thing doesn't really seem to match it.)

@Miniman No worries. Some people like bards, after all =)

[j/k again, @Shalvenay]

Miniman

It's 2 of my sisters' favourite, too! It's a really cool concept, just...badly executed.

nitsua60

@Miniman one thing that my WM player has liked is that I copied the WM table from 2e Tome of Magic and roll on that one. So he doesn't even know what's on the table, 'cause it's not sitting in the PHB.

Using the PHB one felt like a chore for him to do, he said. This way it feels "wild" for him.

Miniman

Interesting...it really seems like the closer it gets to the concept, the less control the player has over their character :P

nitsua60

Okay, I gotta run. Thanks so much @Miniman for helping me think through some of these things.

BESW

04:44

ttfn

Miniman

@nitsua60 Cya!

nitsua60

This is my favorite time of the campaign: the few weeks' ideation leading up to session 1 =)

@BESW later.

Ben

Ok, so I've added the clarifications to the question - specifically the reference to the Fighter.

Miniman

@Ben Does the answer Premier Bromanov gave answer the question?

Ben

Well, no because he's suggesting abilities that the Fighter can't use.

I also changed the title (but that was after he answered)

Miniman

04:52

@Ben Ok. So the paragraph on the Fighter isn't really "for example", it is the actual question? The first paragraph is just context? (Context which confuses the heck out of me and apparently Premier Bromanov too)

Ben

@Miniman Ok, I should really try and figure out a way to get across what I'm trying to explain.

The first question has been answered. That was the answer I was looking for.

Miniman

@Ben Glad to hear it!

Ben

As for the second question, I'm using the fighter as an example, because he has no special abilities, like magic, to assist in this situation.

What I'm looking for, is ways to assist a player in ending a Rage, that isn't going to give me the answer of "Keep your distance"

Miniman

@Ben Yep, I think I do understand what you're trying to ask...do you mind if I do an edit to what I think you're trying to say? Revert straight away if I'm wrong, obviously.

Ben

Sure :)

An example you suggested were using a net, which is one suggestion I'm looking for.

Miniman

05:06

@Ben Ok, drastic edit complete.

I'm not entirely happy with it, but I think it gets the intent of your question across, at least.

Ben

Yeah that looks good to me

But then again, I came up with the original edit, so maybe you're just speaking my language haha

Miniman

@Ben That's a relief! At least now I am pretty confident I know what the question is. Hopefully it'll be obvious to everyone else too.

Ben

It is that big of a problem if I'm facing off against a Raging Barbarian though. I do apologise for the confusion of the original question, and the following multiple edits. The question I'm trying to ask is are there any feats or equipment that can be used to assist a base melee character (eg a Champion Fighter) in ending a Rage? — Ben 43 secs ago

Does that add any extra clarification in your mind?

Particularly this bit: "The question I'm trying to ask is are there any feats or equipment that can be used to assist a base melee character (eg a Champion Fighter) in ending a Rage?"

Sejanus

morning o/

Miniman

05:24

@Ben I'd already gathered that clarification along the way. Thinking about it, if you find yourself in that situation you might be better off just trying for the kill :)

@Sejanus Afternoon!

Ben

@Miniman Well tbh I have tried that once. However in the situation there was nothing I could do against the rage. I just did no damage at all!

Miniman

@Ben That's hyperbole, right? You mean you did half damage?

Ben

Blegh. I feel so bad about that question. It's confused everyone and taken so much effort to try and get the question right!

@Miniman This is true

Miniman

@Ben Sometimes that just happens - you shouldn't feel bad. Considering how often someone isn't willing to even attempt to clarify, you're way ahead of the curve.

doppelgreener

@BESW There's a kickstarter for a Dresden Files co-op card game: kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/… It uses Fate dice!

Ben

05:28

@Miniman I've been around long enough to see a few of those. I know what you mean.

BESW

@doppelgreener It hasn't started yet, has it?

Miniman

@doppelgreener Incidentally, in case it's not clear from Premier Bromanov's comment: The restrained condition does not prevent someone who has it from attacking.

doppelgreener

[edits with actual kickstarter link]

BESW

That's better.

Miniman

Oops, just saw your comment. Ignore that.

BESW

05:30

Have you seen Mort yet?

doppelgreener

@BESW I have!

BESW

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@doppelgreener I think it may be very close to what Ben wants to run some day.

Ben

Uhh what? A different Ben I'm assuming

BESW

Yes, sorry. One of our players who doesn't come to chat much.

He's been sitting on a zombie campaign for years but hasn't found the right system yet.

Ben

@BESW I had a friend that made up his own. You need a lot of d12s to play though haha

Though it is cool. It's all based around the number 12

doppelgreener

05:38

@BESW I'd love to participate.

trogdor

I almost forgot that that Ben even had an account here

but yeah, not the same person XD

doppelgreener

he's just some guy, you know?

BESW

He's some guy we know.

trogdor

@doppelgreener you have met him, over Skype anyway

but yeah, we have both known him for a while

he was part of an earlier group we used to hang out with, some of whom used to be part of our Saturday game nights sometimes

pretty much everyone but him has completely moved on to other things

BESW

Ben and Colin are the only current group members who date back to my 3.5 days.

Although Guada's brother played in our 3.5 group sometimes.

trogdor

05:47

huh, when was that?

BESW

Back when we played at UOG and Matt was the DM sometimes? CJ played in that group.

trogdor

ah ok

she is his sister? XD

BESW

Yup.

trogdor

that is pretty neat

ok, that clears everything up then

I was wondering if you meant someone I didn't remember

eimyr

08:53

Dear Chatizens.

How does one ask "I have this stunt, dunno if good, wat do?" question?

(For Fate Core, ofc)

Magician

Ask in chat?

eimyr

Ask as a mainsite Q

Miniman

@eimyr I don't know anything about Fate, but to hopefully make it easier for those who do: Do you mean you've come up with a stunt but you're not sure if it's a good thing to add to the game, or do you mean that your character has a stunt and you're not sure if it's worth having?

eimyr

I want to know what impact does it have, but I'm not sure if it won't get closed as unclear/opinion-based etc.

Magician

@eimyr That was a suggestion masquerading as a question.

eimyr

08:57

I have come up with a stunt and I like what it tries to model, but I don't know if a) power is appropriate b) there are any game-breaking qualities of it. I fail to estimate how will it impact the game.

Miniman

@eimyr That seems like a pretty reasonable question.

Magician

Otherwise... "Here's my stunt. Our game is about such and such, using this version of Fate. Would this stunt be on par with other stunts, would it break the game, etc?"

eimyr

@Magician That's precisely it.

Magician

It's a bit tricky because Fate is full of dials and sub-versions.

eimyr

I have vanilla Core with standard skill list + modes from Toolkit

The stunt is for the player to add a Special trapping to one of his skills that would allow him to have huge stress track

as if he had two separate Physique skills

Anyway, maybe I'll jsut ask and see if it gets closed

Magician

08:59

If it replaced Physique, that'd be more easily acceptable. Huge stress track has issues.

eimyr

That's the point - replacing Physique is A-Ok, but the stunt is "your character adds physical slots with Athletics AND Physique"

Magician

What's the story that it's trying to model?

(include that in the mainsite Q)

BESW

The "using this version of Fate" bit is key to it being Stack-worthy.

Not all Fates are stunted equal.

eimyr

SO I've heard with variations on Mega-Stunts etc.

Anaphory

09:50

@doppelgreener We had done character creation in advance, some of the group together, some individually, with some gaps left to tie the group together properly. So we could just fill in some gaps and stunts and leave some gaps, and then jump straight into a classic prison planet escape.

The basic fate point economy works, actually better than in games I gm'ed myself (players are quite well into doing self-compels already)

We still need to get our grips with the mechanics of Create Advantage in particular, and Compels to some extent.

The Force as a separate skill is something I'm not convinced of yet.

But I think it will work, because the two characters that have force powers have very specific ideas of what they can do with it (Force Throw and “What's the history of this object”)

doppelgreener

VTC, needs 1 more vote, recommendation question & overvague.

Anaphory

[Why is VTC so high up the rep scale?]

And we apparently have a mechanic that gives FP for cool gung-ho action scenes (going right, so it's not an implicit game aspect compel)

doppelgreener

That all sounds pretty cool. :)

Anaphory

10:05

Next step is probably looking for the best way to do space combat and represent the space ship

So far it's got an aspect, a stress track and one consequence taken

eimyr

@AncientSwordRage I've never said it before, but I really like your avatar.

AncientSwordRage

@eimyr thanks

eimyr

Mind sharing where it's from?

AncientSwordRage

@eimyr I was just trying to find it

darrencalvert.com

It's not on that website, but I did ask him to draw it for me

eimyr

Cool.

AncientSwordRage

10:13

@eimyr I like your too

eimyr

@Asteria Were the answers to your yesterday's question useful?

doppelgreener

@Anaphory Often that stuff's handled via Vehicles and Shoot, unless you have specialised desires. Also, you may want to borrow a notion from Atomic Robo's Factions: your own ship has a small set of key skills, such as Flight, Lasers, and Shielding. You might give them +2's and +3's. When your people are doing something with the ship, they roll their dice, add their skill, and then also add a relevant Ship skill.

eimyr

@AncientSwordRage Thanks. I just randomly found it and can't really give credit, as the image is quite popular on the internet.

doppelgreener

So a ship with an awful cannon (+1) can do a lot of damage with a great gunner (+4 in Shoot), while a ship with an amazing seeking missile system (+4) can do quite a lot even in the hands of someone who's average (+1).

Anaphory

There's quite a few options out there, cf. also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/35433/….

I have also had a look at Kriegszeppelin Valkyrie, and I think it's not the mode we need to follow – the focus is on individuals in their fighters, not on a Millenium Falcon doing stunts and escape maneuvers, and defensive shooting, which is what I think we'll mostly do.

Polyducks

10:24

Hey gang <3

Anaphory

Hey!

eimyr

yo

Polyducks

So I'm thinking of generating loot values from random strings (i.e. names of clothing on a clothing website)

Anyone have any good loot generation charts that rarely makes something awesome?

eimyr

@Polyducks how's your gods game going?

Polyducks

Great! We haven't played since last session, but it's feeling good. I need to think of more incomprehensible things to do as Goddess of the incomprehensible

I think my best creation so far was shadows that not even the Gods can see into

The best part so far was removing the point system

It's made it much more colaborative

eimyr

10:36

Did you get your group to play it with you?

Polyducks

Oh yes, twice! Sorry, I didn't know how much you knew

The first time was with the point system and we had a Loki-like character mess things up with relations between the fish people and the gods

and we took away his ability to make rules

so he sired a demi-god with the fish people to get around this to live through his child

It was really devious

doppelgreener

@Polyducks The problem with trying to figure out what to do as a Goddess of the Incomprehensible is that you'll usually be trying to comprehend something about it.

Polyducks

@doppelgreener It only needs to be comprehensible to myself

Most of her existence is spent being jealous of the other gods

Wael, god of life is the only one that can make life, and mortem is the only one that may gather their souls

doppelgreener

(hehehehe. so they're post-mortem after that.)

Polyducks

I think next session I'll get one of the hundred elements and throw it into the four-dimensional shape she made at the start of the game

(haha)

That way life can evolve from the shape, and she won't be the one creating life.

It's so good for roleplay too. We spend a great deal of time using our in-universe actions to swim around the base of the universal flower

eimyr

10:44

universal flower?

Polyducks

Oh, Wael planted a seed in the void and we nurtured it into a flower

From the pores of a leaf came the first life - living columns of water

Everyone did little things to make the life come to be

I introduced hurricanes to give them something to do :p

That's when Mortem harvested the first souls

doppelgreener

Ohh. So these gods are you the players?

Polyducks

Yeah!

doppelgreener

Nice.

Polyducks

Sorry, I'm being really bad at explaining today

doppelgreener

10:46

Well I presume there's been discourse in here I have't seen :)

Polyducks

This is a game I wrote as an expansion to nomic

doppelgreener

And I'm used to the gods being not the players - except in Great Ork Gods, where you're the gods and the orks.

eimyr

(they're also great)

Polyducks

I'd really like to host a game with you guys. The ruleset is called 'Gods of this universe' and you basically collaborate on building a universe together

Anaphory

@Polyducks I'd like to try it at some point, I like nomicsen and world building.

Polyducks

10:50

@Anaphory Which timezone are you in?

I'm sure we could organise something!

@doppelgreener @eimyr @sejanus Would you guys want to play if I hosted a game of 'Gods of this universe' at the weekend?

Anaphory

CEST (UTC+2)

Polyducks

Anyone else is welcome to join if they're reading this

@Anaphory oh, that's really close to mine!

@doppelgreener @eimyr @sejanus @Anaphory That said, I'm going to NY this weekend. So maybe the week after?

Anaphory

Looks Good To Me (As Far As I Know)

doppelgreener

My weekends are various levels of busy and we're in different timezones, I believe, so we'll see c(:

Polyducks

I'm in GMT :)

Not that I don't believe we're in different time zones

doppelgreener

10:54

Oh right!

i am 10 hours ahead xD

Polyducks

haha

Polyducks

11:07

Maybe we could play a game slowly over the period of a day in another chat

eimyr

@Polyducks Can't say: in principle I'm cool with it, but I might be a nightmare to schedule.

@Polyducks Actually, you're in BST (UTC+1)

Anaphory

@eimyr It was understandable from context ;)

eimyr

:) <- my face usually

:| <- my face when timezones are mentioned

:{ <- my face when summer time is mentioned

:C <- my face when I have to work out both at the same time

Golokopitenko

11:37

@eimyr what's the deal with timezones and summer?

eimyr

Don't you have summer time in Spain?

Golokopitenko

yeah, but it has never bothered me

eimyr

In the UK and Poland as well we set clocks an hour forward for the summer.

That makes us join a different timezone

Golokopitenko

so the sun sets "later"?

eimyr

Yeah

Some countries have different dates for doing so.

Anaphory

11:39

@eimyr I think most (all?) of Europe is uniform, though.

eimyr

Trying to schedule stuff when there's a summer time change is a nightmare.

I think so too, but some areas of the Pacific has different dates

I remember lat year trying to Doodle a Stack RPG game durin wintertime change season.

Pure madness.

We tried to get Guam, AUS, SA, Ameri and Europeople on board and I remember I couldn't work out who-has-what-time-when-and-for-how-long

Golokopitenko

aaaah of course

but coordinating people from different timezones has always been a mess

Anaphory

I'm still in favour of there being precisely two time zones: UTC and UTC+12, so you don't get a date change in the middle of the day.

Golokopitenko

I'd just use +0 time and let everyone figure out their time

I think if you google a time in a certain time zone it tells you which time is/will be at yours

Anaphory

Means that some people work 9–5 and others 5–1, but so what.

Golokopitenko

11:43

for instance 5PM EMT

or... whatever's called

Anaphory

@Golokopitenko But what about "5PM XYT in three weeks when they still have summer time and we are just switching and I can't remember in which direction”?

Golokopitenko

ohhh well....!!!

then brace thyself

Anaphory

Because I think that's what @eimyr means.

eimyr

@Anaphory Precisely this.

It was "Oh, me and Tashio are on the same timezone, but not these two weeks and BESW is +10 first week, +11 the other. Now, to include Greener..."

Golokopitenko

I lucky have never had to deal with such qualms

eimyr

11:49

How's your game going?

Golokopitenko

my campaign or the new game I'm joining as a player?

eimyr

any you desire to speak of :)

Golokopitenko

well, my campaign is "paused" while we play this new PF campaign

as for my new character, I almost done with the build and the description

wanna check it?

eimyr

Check is not a good word, but I'd like to take a look!

Golokopitenko

wanna Chezch it?

eimyr

11:58

I've never actually played PF, you know.

Golokopitenko

oh haven't you??

eimyr

I haven't.

Sadly.

Golokopitenko

How can you even call yourself an RPG player?? /s

eimyr

lulz

Well, have you played it?

Golokopitenko

yeah, this would be my second game

and I'm just now beginning to grasp the character building

docs.google.com/document/d/…

here's the description, in the second page

incorrect

it's in the first page, the other stuff are possible traits/feats I might take

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