TRPG General Chat

doppelgreener

13:00

@BESW he could kill someone with that chin.

BESW

@doppelgreener He probably has. That's Beware the Bat's version of Alfred, and he's a retired British spy.

SPArchaeologist

Wait wait wait.... The first picture is from TMNT? ARGH!

doppelgreener

@BESW Whoa. Nice~

SPArchaeologist

Why they don't buy THAT

doppelgreener

because they suck oh snap

sillyputty

13:04

~z snap while standing behind and to the side of doppel~

SPArchaeologist

Well, at least I can somehow be happy with one thing.

We don't have the 4Kids One Piece....

Sandwich

shudder

What you dont like the pirate rap SP?

Miniman

@Sandwich [death glare]

Aaron

I have watched One Piece. Is the 4kids a bad dub or something?

@Sandwich ?

Miniman

@Aaron Leaving aside the fact that all dubs are bad dubs, not really

Aaron

13:07

I feel like I am missing something

Sandwich

@Miniman The Bebop dub is an amazing dub.

@Aaron Yes the 4Kids dub of One piece is surprisingly bad

BESW

@Aaron Take a look at the voice actors some time, if you need more convincing.

Aaron

@Sandwich ... That was dubbed? I thought that was American it was so good...

SPArchaeologist

well.... how to put that....

the one on the left is the 4kid version....

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist ... what?

SPArchaeologist

13:08

the other the original.

Aaron

What is blondy holding over the kids head?

Sandwich

@SPArchaeologist Nailed it

Aaron

A shower nozzle?

SPArchaeologist

a rubber hammer

Sandwich

Some kind of spring hammer

BESW

13:09

The technical term is noddagun.

SPArchaeologist

or Amy Rose Piko Piko hammer, your choise

Aaron

Oh. Right

Sandwich

Oh! On the subject of great shows with not-so-great animation

Keroro Gunsou

Aaron

And Sanji with a lollipop. Well he might actually get to work his tongue for once... XD

SPArchaeologist

this one must be the better.

so great it got on Wikipedia.

doppelgreener

13:10

@Aaron How 4kids licensing works, according to VGCats. Warning, it's graphic.

Aaron

WHAT?

@doppelgreener I Is at work so not clicking

doppelgreener

@SPArchaeologist wait, 4kids repainted a dark-skinned dude as a white guy?

SPArchaeologist

Yes they did

doppelgreener

Wow.

Aaron

That is just messed up

doppelgreener

13:11

I have no words for that.

Sandwich

Of course @doppelgreener, representing a black person as a pirate would be a negative stereotype and would be totally racist apparently =\

doppelgreener

@Sandwich I would not figure that was the decision making behind it

sillyputty

Same reason why Mr. Popo turned blue in Dragonball Z

Aaron

i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/… .

doppelgreener

if anything maybe it was the blackface stereotype they wanted to avoid: dark skinned dude, big red lips

Aaron

13:12

That loop is horrid

SPArchaeologist

@doppelgreener They claimed that was the reason... but... well......

also. Crocodile with both hands.

Sandwich

Hook hands are wrong

sillyputty

@doppelgreener Yes, the "golliwog" racist character archetype looks similar to how both of those characters appear. Apparently American Standards and Practices were having none of it.

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist Oh come on really?

4kids is no longer a thing right? Please tell my they failed miserably.

SPArchaeologist

really. They edited Mihawk sword too.... Seemed like a cross they said.

Miniman

13:14

@Aaron Yeah, they didn't last

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist Well that one I can actually see but they shouldn't have edited it.

SPArchaeologist

@Aaron they edited most of Luffy grin smiles too. Too scarry.

doppelgreener

@Miniman For real? 4kids broke apart!?

sillyputty

This would be good news.

doppelgreener

oh my god

SPArchaeologist

13:15

search about it... you will find some really "funny" edits.

Aaron

Ugh the dub.

4kids Vs Funimation: Zoro vs Mihawk Dub Comparison #112

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Miniman

@doppelgreener No idea. I should probably have said their One Piece dub didn't last.

doppelgreener

> The 4Licensing Corporation (formerly 4Kids Entertainment) is an American licensing company. The company was previously also a film and television production company that English-dubbed Japanese anime through its subsidiary 4Kids Productions between 1992 and 2012

THEY STOPPED.

YAAAAAYYY

Ding Dong The Witch is Dead

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Aaron

Oh my god the more I listen

SPArchaeologist

@Aaron Have you ever had the pleasure to see the crying Nami scene, 4kids version? The one in Coconut Village...

BESW

13:17

List of 4Kids licenses and productions

4Kids Entertainment licensed, developed, and distributed a wide variety of media products, ranging from video games and television programs to toy lines. == Former TV productions == The following TV programs have ended or expired but were handled by 4Kids Entertainment along their run: The Adrenaline Project (Broadcast rights only) Alien Racers Back to the Future: The Animated Series (Broadcast rights only) Biker Mice from Mars (Broadcast rights only) Bratz (Broadcast rights only) Chaotic (streaming rights only) The Cramp Twins (Broadcast rights only) Cubix: Robots for Everyone (Rights now owned...

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist ...no

SPArchaeologist

@Aaron keep it that way.

All the power in just 4 words... "Luffy, please help me"... all destroyed.

Sandwich

Oh yeah

Another bad show

Cubix, Robots for Everyone

I don't even remember what that show was about

But I sure as heck remember it wasn't about that

There was a Kirby animated series too

BESW

Oh, if we're just going to talk about bad shows... [clears throat] Shall I start with Seabert?

Sandwich

That was pretty uh.. bad.

Never heard of it @BESW

sillyputty

13:21

@Sandwich "I don't even remember what that show was about
But I sure as heck remember it wasn't about that"
I don't know why but that tickled me something fierce. Co-workers are concerned.

BESW

Seabert English Intro (High Quality)

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Aaron

@BESW It must be really bad when Wikipedia doesn't even show pictures of it lol

sillyputty

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot How about ReBoot? Anyone else remember this show and how...just ridiculously mediocre it was?

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist It must be horrible cause I can't even find it anywhere

Sandwich

Oh god I remember it now

Seabert ugh

That was... awful

Reboot was mediocre yeah, but it wasn't like AWFUL

I never understood why losing games destroyed the parts of the computer

That analogy didnt really make a lot of sense.

Its like

"Oh you lost a game, well there goes 1/20th chunk of your motherboard"

Good luck operating without essential circuits

sillyputty

13:27

@Sandwich Not even! If the User wins a game, he destroys parts of his computer.

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich Did we jump to Code Lyoko?

Sandwich

No this is about Reboot

Miniman

@SPArchaeologist Nah, they were talking about bad shows

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist I liked Code Lyoko

Sandwich

Code Lyoko was alright for a little while

Until they mucked it up

Miniman

13:28

A bit formulaic, but a good show

Aaron

@Sandwich I must have missed this. What did they do?

sillyputty

From the perspective of the characters, if they lost, sure, parts of the computer were destroyed, but picture it from the kid who owns the computer's perspective...

SPArchaeologist

I knew I knew, I was just joking on the fact that out of context that phrase was actually fitting in Lyoko plot

(And I also must say that I somehow liked Aelita design)

Sandwich

@Aaron Changed some of the art style, repeated the same formula ad infinitum

BESW

...I really like the French version of the theme song.

Sandwich

13:31

Something bad happens, go into crazy virtual world to fight bad guys, finish their jobs in the nick of time. ALWAYS.

BESW

Eh, formula can be reassuring, especially for certain age groups.

Sandwich

Like right before something really bad would happen they manage to do the thing

And reverse time and delete memories of the event

BESW

Series like the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew capitalised on the reassurance of formula big-time.

Sandwich

Even reboot didn't stay the same forever

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich they lose the "Return to the past" thing actually.

and that is just before someone almost manage to die.

BESW

13:32

It's got a solid place in developmental progression, learning story pacing and elements, what works and doesn't work, through repetitious exposure.

It can still be done intelligently, but story repetition is not itself a narrative sin.

SPArchaeologist

Well, you can't really expect they to go much further than that, but Lyoko did have some changes in the second part.

What concerned me more was the whole Aelita problem...

They manage to make others believe she is a relative of Odd...

but where will she live after the show ends is another question...

Sandwich

shrug

I didn't care about the show enough to keep watching it after it got boring

I think it was stretched on too long

It should've ended after Aelita was rescued and they shut down the Malevolent computer.

SPArchaeologist

But well.... we have been talking of the same show for quite to much, and we were talking about bad shows... so.....

Sandwich

What were your favorite cartoons?

SPArchaeologist

since our Flutterlight is here....

bad show with good drawings.

Pokémon anime.

Sandwich

13:41

Nailed it with that one

Ash doesn't even come close to "Red" from the comics

Ash is a moron, Red is a god among men and mon

SPArchaeologist

all the visuals from the game without nothing else

Miniman

To be fair, it was entertaining at first

Sandwich

And they turned his rival into a scientist

SPArchaeologist

every one who played the games, would want to throw Ash in the sea.

Sandwich

Which made me sad as heck

Because there was no more Gary Oak =\

And then I shed a single tear

SPArchaeologist

13:42

you don't need types, you just yell "Full power"

Sandwich

PIKACHU YOU SHOW THAT ONIX WHO'S BOSS RIGHT NOW

It doesn't MATTER THAT HE RESISTS 100% OF ALL ELECTRIC ATTACKS

YOU SHOCK THAT SNAKE

sillyputty

Did...did the show or the games come first?

I was under the impression that the show came first.

Miniman

@sillyputty The games

Are you even kidding

sillyputty

Ohhhhh

...no, I'm not, thank you.

Miniman

Sorry

I was just surprised

sillyputty

13:44

That's ok. =)

Well it certainly makes the hate I've heard about the show make a lot more sense now.

Sandwich

After the masterpieces that were Red and Blue people were maaaaad

And I mean MAAAD

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich at least they attempted to have him sometime use iron tails in the latest season. Until they decide to go ~~genkidama~~ lighting sphere.

Sandwich

As in Multiple attributes, and every one of them was blistering with rage

@SPArchaeologist The best one was when he learned Volt tackle

Which is an Egg move

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich There was just one good thing that came from the show.

Sandwich

Misty?

Miniman

13:49

Epsilepsy?

SPArchaeologist

Misty fish bait.

Sandwich

Or the fact that every girl ash has met he has destroyed the bike of?

Miniman

Wait, that's not right...

sillyputty

I can understand that. A show, though, does require different things than what a game does. Plus, I mean, it was sooper legit guys when Pikachu electrocuted that rock snake cause he turned on the sprinkler system first! ...yeah...

SPArchaeologist

you know, when he goes to fish and he pulls out a little Misty shaped bait and then goes totally insane when he almost manage to lose it

Miniman

13:50

@sillyputty He did some crap with a windmill or something too

100% legit

Sandwich

SPArchaeologist

that one

about 5 season after.

still in Ash pocket.

(minus the cape)

Sandwich

Misty was the only girl that Ash felt feelings for ever supposedly

Too bad they didn't go further with that

Might have actually advanced his characterization

Teen romance and all

Miniman

She was certainly the only girl the audience ever felt feelings for

sillyputty

Who needs characterization?

@Miniman BURN! nice.

Miniman

13:52

The continual switching out of characters really hastened that show's demise

Aaron

Don't forget the lack of Ash aging... at all.

sillyputty

@Aaron Yea, but a lot of cartoons do that.

Aaron

And their inconsistent levels of power. Pikachu able to beat a super powerful pokemon at the end of one season but losing to a starter pokemon the next.

@sillyputty But the issue is OTHER people have aged

only Ash hasn't

sillyputty

Heh. I didn't realize that. That's absurdly funny to me. How can a show think that that makes sense? Hah...wow.

Miniman

@sillyputty Because...he gets hit with electricity a lot?

sillyputty

13:55

Ash is the newest Legendary Pokemon with the power of not aging?

Miniman

(I'm not reaching at all, why would you even think that)

Aaron

Like everyone has changed and looks older BUT Ash. Hence the fan theory he is in a coma. Or when he saw HoHo he wished to never age.

(HoHo supposedly grants wishes when you see him. )

sillyputty

Yea, coma. Or, y'know, Everyone is Jesus in Purgatory.

Aaron

I want to see a pokemon series with James as the protagonist. Cause he is actually a really good pokemon master. He didn't actually catch any of his pokemon he ASKED them to come with him. And he actively takes care of them even though they always accidentally hit him with their attacks.

Plus he is only in Team rocket to hang out with Jessie cause he is loaded cause his father is rich or something.

SPArchaeologist

@Aaron Have you saw the episode with just the Team Rocket where they end up in a far away city and then almost become heroes there?

(and manage to build Yatta-Meowth)

sillyputty

14:00

I've often wondered how the Ghost of Charles Darwin feels about Pokemon... "that's...you're not using the term correctly!"

2

Sandwich

James is a really cool guy, Jessie is just a bad influence

With awful hair

Aaron

@SPArchaeologist No I haven't. I know that Jessie and James are actually competent when they are not trying to steal picachu though

Sandwich

Also main characters have the combined IQ of a Box of crayons to not be immediately suspicious of pink haired and blue haired people after all they've been through

Miniman

@Sandwich I tuned out after "main characters are dumb as bricks"

Sandwich

You could argue that at least a box of crayons is colorful

SPArchaeologist

14:04

@Sandwich there is the episode from the Misty era where Ash and Misty dress like Team Rocket to mock them

Aaron

@Sandwich lol

sillyputty

@Sandwich And useful!

Sandwich

@SPArchaeologist There was also one where James dresses up as a woman with fake boobs and all to win some kind of contest or something

I don't even remember what it was about, just that it was bad

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich which was also censored by 4kids if my memory serves my right.

Sandwich

Yeah that episode didnt Air in the US

Neither did the Porygon one

For good reason on the latter

The first one was just censoring

Miniman

14:06

Or the safari one

Bas Jansen

Afternoon gents

Sandwich

Howdy Bas

The newest Oglaf is funny

False truth-o-mancer

Healed a guy with the power of lies

SPArchaeologist

Seem the perfect class for Usop

Sandwich

Oh another good show with good art

Fairly Oddparents

Bas Jansen

I am making flow charts (I was bored) to visualize the interaction between improved grab, improved grapple, constrict and so forth for DnD 3.5. Does anyone feel like taking a peek at the flowchart (to initialize a grapple) to see if there are any obvious mistakes?

SPArchaeologist

14:11

@Sandwich ..................

Sandwich

Sure Bas

Bas Jansen

docs.google.com/drawings/d/…

errr wrong link, 1 sec

doppelgreener

No

Bas Jansen

or did it work?

doppelgreener

Mr Squiggle

had the best art

Miniman

14:12

@doppelgreener Except it was upside down :P

doppelgreener

all else pales to insignificance in its shadow

Sandwich

It did work

doppelgreener

@Miniman temporarily! And usually it looked just fine upside down too :D

Bas Jansen

cheers ;)

Sandwich

Getting hit during an AOO doesn't interrupt your grapple though

SPArchaeologist

14:13

@Miniman Wasn't that Patema ?

Miniman

@doppelgreener Not temporarily. Everything is always upside down, remember?

SPArchaeologist

Bas Jansen

Quickly grabs his pdf's

doppelgreener

@Miniman Oh right, my mistake

Bas Jansen

If the attack of
opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails.

pg 156, phb

Sandwich

14:15

Really?

Bas Jansen

nods

Sandwich

Huh

You're right

That sort of makes grappling pointless to attempt without improved grapple then

I've been playing it wrong

Bas Jansen

correct

I mostly take improved grapple for the +4 untyped bonus

and for when a creature doesn't have improved grab

Sandwich

I guess I assumed that Grapple had the same rules in that instance as Sunder and Trip

Bas Jansen

I just felt that a chart like this would make it easier for our 'new' DM (he used to play with us for a few years and is now starting a pre-made campaign)

Sandwich

14:17

Which aren't cancelled by an AoO

Erik

Where it says "Unarmed Strike", do you mean "Improved Unarmed Strike"?

Bas Jansen

Yes

Sandwich

I don't know why it works like that

Losing your grapple when hit wouldn't make much sense

Bas Jansen

the idea is that they 'pushed' you away

I assume

Sandwich

"If you get nicked by a dagger for 1 hit point you fly five feet backwards and your grab attempt fails!"

Bas Jansen

14:18

when you were trying to get close to grab them

sillyputty

Plenty of things don't make sense, but they're Da Rulez anyway.

Sandwich

That sounds like something I would personally houserule for consistency

It favors the crab

Bas Jansen

don't trip and sunder allow an opposed roll when you fail, ie they get to try and trip you instead?

I never use those myself

Sandwich

If you fail your trip you roll another check and then they have a chance to trip you yes

Erik

Also the graph looks pretty intimidating, but a lot of the boxes are copies of each other. You might be able to clean it up if you move some of them together

Bas Jansen

14:20

@Erik fair point, I just wanted to make sure that there were no mistakes first

now afk a few minutes

Pixie

I must run again, but Jesse and James are the best thing about the Pokémon anime forever. :P Also, yes, 4kids is done, thank goodness. They weren't the only ones doing this at that time, though. If you want another example of similarly butchered shows, I will discuss Cardcaptors sometime.

Bas Jansen

BACK

curses his capslock

Pixie

I thought you were just very excited to be back. Capslock strikes again.

SPArchaeologist

@Pixie Just hope my friend, that you never will have to read or see what Italy managed to do with Orange Road.

Miniman

You know who's a show butcherer as guilty as 4kids? Bones.

SPArchaeologist

14:41

@Miniman don't really know, some examples?

Bas Jansen

Now the fun part of the second flow chart, finding out which ruling to use to determine if having improved grab and improved grapple allow you to deal both unarmed strike damage + natural attack damage or not (always found that bit extremely unclear from the rules, based on the writers assuming that someone never has both feats)

Marc Dingena

Fate Core SRD states that you can even suggest Compels on your own Aspects. How does that work? Do you simply name one of your Aspects with a negative implication and if the GM accepts he hands you a Fate Point?\

Erik

@MarcDingena shouldn't you ask that on the main site as a question? :)

But I think the basic idea is indeed that you suggest something bad that could happen to your character because of one of your Aspects and then that thing happens and the GM gives you a FP

Alternatively, when the GM suggests you roll for something you could point out one of your Aspects that would complicate it and say "how about I skip the roll, fail miserably because of this Aspect and get a FP?"

Marc Dingena

@Erik I understand your sentiment but it seemed like a really dumb question, just because I don't read that rules page correctly...

Erik

I don't think it's a dumb question at all

I'm not even convinced my answer is the correct or best one

Marc Dingena

14:56

@Erik Oh... I was... :)

I'll ask it then

@Erik Feel free to provide your answer as an actual answer anyways :)

Sandwich

I want more adventure time

Cartoon network why have you forsaken us

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich a good opportunity to go and watch Guru Guru.

Sandwich

15:23

Animaniacs is like the best cartoon though

Nations of the World - With Lyrics - Animaniacs

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SPArchaeologist

.....

You meant this one wasn't the original?

Lyra's Paper World

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Sandwich

..Of course it wasnt

SPArchaeologist

this explain Lyra's strange voice.

Sandwich

It does say "Original song: Animaniacs" :\

I can't tell if you're screwing with me or not

Wakko's 50 State Capitols with Lyrics/Subtitles

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SPArchaeologist

who, me? never!

I never ever would do that just to post a pony.

Sandwich

15:31

You're hysterical

SPArchaeologist

And I any case it is your fault :P Your username remembers me of Cheese Sandwich.

@Sandwich Thanks, I will take it as a compliment

After all, I am the one that keep warning the others that my mind state is somehow the one you can see Twily show in Lesson Zero....

Sandwich

15:49

So Pancake?

SPArchaeologist

nope, this one.

Sandwich

Yeah she has wings now supposedly

Pixie

17:32

So, Cardcaptors. The only way most networks in America are willing to broadcast anime for/about girls is if they can spin it into "Boys will love the ACTION!" Numerous examples of this practice, but Cardcaptors is the most egregious.

They changed the name from Cardcaptor Sakura to Cardcaptors and cut the first eight episodes because the male character doesn't appear until episode 9.

They then inserted some of these episodes at later points, but it was a giant mess because Sakura can only use the powers of cards she's captured. So suddenly she's barely using any of her cards for no apparent reason. They made a lot of other cuts as well. I had the perpetual sense that I was missing tons of episodes when in actuality I saw almost everything they aired.

They also did things like erase Japanese writing but not replace it with anything, so characters would chalk absolutely nothing onto the blackboard.

Pixie

19:33

I got into Offbeat Classes the last time after all. ;w; I have rolled a News Alchemist. xD

Iron Heart

... huh.

Zachiel

19:55

@Pixie [facepalms]

Zachiel

21:01

I need to learn how to have my browser play a sound when a tab title changes... please direct me to a good place to learn so

Aaron

@Zachiel browser?

BESW

I'm not sure if that's Web Applications or superuser.

Aaron

Web applications specifically states in their help center

`Please note that the following subjects are considered off-topic here:

Web browsers, including features and browser extensions/add-ons
Creating or developing web applications
Desktop software
Applications for mobile devices such as the Android or iPad
Hosted scripts such as Wordpress.org and phpBB
Web applications containing adult content
Web application recommendation requests`

Ah I can't get it to qoute

Well superuser is more about hardware so not sure.

It might be a fringe case that Web App could help with.

David Reeve

it's web apps

superuser is for os-level stuff

Zachiel

@Aaron chrome, but I could move to something else just for the sake of proving a point.

David Reeve

21:17

someone say something

DrewS

Hello

Actually I have a question. Is it considered bad form to @ someone who isn't in chat?

BESW

Nope, although an @ doesn't actually ping them unless you can auto-complete it (meaning they've been in the chat recently).

Aaron

@Zachiel Sorry I looked on google but didn't see anything for chrome. I have to hop off though so good luck

DrewS

@BESW Okay, thank you.

Pixie

21:35

[signs on to Skype] "Yo! See if you can reverse-engineer the incredibly convoluted etymological route that led me to this name!"
[checks sheet] "Adam Horusson"

BESW

@Pixie ...Hm? Sounds like mythology mixing to me.

Pixie

@BESW Heh, the obviousness of it is the point. I was actually expecting something complicated. xD

BESW

I wasn't sure if I was missing an anime reference or something else even more straightforward.

Pixie

@BESW Ohh, I see. No... unless I'm missing something. xD

BESW

Alternate response: "Do you think JKR knew how much trouble fanfic writers would have with spelling horcrux?"

trogdor

21:46

it does seem like it should be pretty easy

but I think a lot of people expected it to be harder so they just went in any old direction with it

Pixie

@BESW Oh dear. xD

BESW

My favourite is the one which also enshrines the spelling Vodlemort.

> High on a hill was a lonely Dark Lord
Lay ee vodl lay ee vodl lay hee hoo
Loud was the voice of the lonely Dark Lord
Lay ee vodl lay ee vodl-oo

Pixie

I'm pronouncing that vodleemort in my head and I love it.

"and kick Voldies' ***" How many of them are there?

BESW

@Pixie Oooh, if you're not familiar with McTabby, you're in for a treat.

Pixie

I am not! I think!

BESW

21:53

She collects awful summaries and bad horcrux spellings and even amazon.com reviews of Pride & Prejudice.

> I do like Jane Austen movies, but I think in her books she tends to elaborate on things a bit much for my taste.

Pixie

I wouldn't say that's untrue, but... :v (I am not an Austen fan, really.)

BESW

The implication that Ms. Austen's films are also her own works, though...

> It is generally considered a pretty, romantic book - like a swan on a lake. But much like the swan, it's what happening underneath that's important.

Zachiel

@BESW I should make one for people in my game misspelling Jotunbrud

Pixie

@BESW Yes, that is particularly funny.

> Pride and prejudice, is a novel on the love and hate of a man and a woman who are perfect for each other from the beginning but do not realize it until the end. It is about how a great love overcomes the prejudices that two of the main characters have for each other. This novel, in my opinion was everlasting and boring.

I laughed so hard at that my cat is now looking at me funny.

BESW

Oh, yes, warning: do not read McTabby collections while drinking.

There will be tea in your sinuses and on your monitor.

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