TRPG General Chat

doppelgreener

00:00

@Pixie Wikipedia's list of roleplaying games doesn't mention it, and Rogue Trader is the only instance of "trader" on the page. Maybe Traders! wasn't an English game.

Pixie

A search on RPGGeek doesn't yield anything that looks right. Hmm.

user20683

@Pixie rogue trader was Warhammer 40k edition 1

doppelgreener

@WorldEngineer Yeah, but that's not the game we're after.

user20683

I don't recall it having a quest system per se

doppelgreener

(Probably)

BESW

00:01

I tried a search through rpg.net reviews and got nothing, which means it's really obscure.

Pixie

@doppelgreener I've considered that. I've yet to see anyone call it anything besides Traders or Traders! so I'm almost certain it's not RT.

@BESW Yeah, it's not on RPGGeek either.

They do catalog non-English games too, and pretty thoroughly, so...

user20683

Traders (game)

Traders is a business simulation game with a science fiction setting. It was created by André Wüthrich and published by Merit software in 1991. Traders was inspired by M.U.L.E. and released for MS-DOS, Atari ST and Amiga home computers. Up to four players control their character - an alien known as a Plubber. The ultimate goal for each Plubber is to be first in a race against commercial competition, and gain victory. To achieve this, corresponding assets are accumulated. This can be achieved by skillfully growing fields, make tactical approach with any product or small raids on the players. �...

user20683

?

Pixie

@WorldEngineer Ooooh, this could be it.

BESW

...that'd explain why we weren't finding it.

Pixie

00:03

Yes, yes it would.

Mystery solved, I think. Thanks, @WorldEngineer!

user20683

@Pixie Gameplay:

user20683

Traders - 1992 PC Game, gameplay

►

Pixie

I actually tried searching for other types of RPG too just in case, but I got similarly polluted results.

doppelgreener

00:16

Pollution!? Not today!

Captain Planet is here to clean up the googles.

trogdor

nope, he is dead now

BESW

> In our top story today, Captain Planet died of Reddit poisoning early this morning, just hours after the blue-skinned environmentalist announced his plan to "clean up the Googles."

trogdor

he fought google and already lost

user20683

He was killed when he refused to turn his mullet into an upcut.

doppelgreener

00:31

He was not fresh enough

Stay fresh, people

Miniman

@doppelgreener It doesn't get more fresh than Captain Planet

user20683

@Miniman Mr. Clean?

Miniman

@WorldEngineer Well, stuff that isn't fresh generally ends up becoming pollution in one way or another

Besides, Captain Planet was only ever a few hours old

doppelgreener

@Miniman But he did not have an upcut

Miniman

@doppelgreener It's difficult to argue with that. Maybe he was so fresh that his mullet was actually...nah, I got nothing.

doppelgreener

00:37

(source, no idea if SFW or NSFW, have not visited directly)

(STAY FRESH OR DIE)

user20683

@doppelgreener looks safe to me

user20683

dangerously talented artist though

Pixie

Ooh, they do commissions... I have felt the desire for new art recently.

doppelgreener

@Pixie They do? I might come back to this page later tonight...

Pixie

But aww, photo references required. I usually get commissions because I need references. :P

@doppelgreener Yup, they have a post about it pretty close to the top of the blog.

doppelgreener

00:44

@Pixie \o/

Requiring photo references is a fairly high requirement though

Usually that is on the artist to figure out what they need, but I guess some artists like artistic license more than others

Pixie

I think by photo they actually mean picture in general. They appear to do a lot of FF MMO characters and such.

It's not that uncommon in my experience for artists to want a reference of the character because of difficulty in interpreting descriptions and it not being what people wanted in the end.

Unfortunately, my difficulty is that I want nice art of my characters, and that exceeds my current ability. If I draw a reference myself, it will probably look only vaguely like I want it to, and then the pictures based on it will be the same. xD

doppelgreener

Aha, that's fine then

I was thinkin' like, pose/anatomy references

Pixie

I've worked with artists who did accept photo references alongside descriptions if you knew what you wanted, like a certain type of hairstyle or piece of clothing, but yeah. Not for actual anatomy. xD

Hmm. I could still do Isidore within these parameters, probably. I mean, I get art of him disproportionately often, but I always want more, so it evens out. :P ... if the artist is willing to do a frankendude.

doppelgreener

A frankendude named Isidore... nice name.

@Pixie Some of my favourite artists are ones that will be like: "Oh hey, they only said a sentence or two about their character. Freakin' sweet, I can do whatever I want!"

Pixie

@doppelgreener Some artists do like that!

But that can also make it difficult, especially when you're trying to make a living freelance and you're risking "that's actually not what I wanted, spend this much more time on it even though I'm not paying you more" or even a canceled commission.

It's super rough for freelance online artists as is, so if they're trying to remove that variable, I definitely understand it. xD

@doppelgreener This is my absolute favorite art I've gotten of him:

doppelgreener

01:01

@Pixie Oh yeah. One of these does her stuff exclusively during livestreams. If you're there, she talks with you about it as she works. If you're not, you get what you get.

Pixie

Yeah, that's another way to handle it.

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener -- I once did a live software dev session via Remote Desktop with the customers sitting next to me

worked out quite grand :) especially considering the original ticket (for a UI enhancement) wasn't at all clear about what was wanted

sadly, I'm not all that good at drawing -- mostly lack of practice and lack of anatomical understanding

Pixie

I like to doodle. It's one of those things that is a passtime rather than an art for me. I take free requests sometimes because that's almost the only thing that motivates me to finish a picture. :P

doppelgreener

that is a bit different, but yeah, who knew, working in close communication with the people you're doing stuff for works pretty well :D

Shalvenay

@Pixie -- my drawing background comes from diagramming and engineering sketchwork

doppelgreener

01:07

I have an enormous emotional artistic block based on unrealistic expectations I set for myself and the fact I am habitually hard on myself. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ I have made myself a promise this Saturday to sit down and draw for an entire hour because like seriously I usually stop during what should only be considered the warm-up phase.

Pixie

Yeah. For me it's a combination of that and simply a lack of patience.

So I do a ton of sketches but nothing else. xD

trogdor

@doppelgreener this is me as well

though my mom did get me to do a watercolor last time I was on a plane bored out of my mind

I still didn't consider it a masterpiece or anything, but I actually liked it

if only I could find it, I think it is lost for good XD

Pixie

Like this is my reference for the above character. This is about as finished as most of my drawings will ever get -- and mostly they're just a mass of sketch lines. xD

Now, if it's for someone else, I have a decent shot at finishing it. It may not look great, but it might get finished.

doppelgreener

@Pixie that looks fine

and sketching is good.

The serious artists I know, like the dude who runs Dresden Codak, draw for hours. Like, four or five hours at a time would be a standard session. The first hour is warm-up. Everything they produce comes after dozens of sketches. I understand this yet somehow still fault myself when my drawings don't look excellent on the first try. (They are not meant to!! But in high school I could draw pretty cool stuff and got praise for that, so, y'know, conditioning I guess.)

Pixie

Yeah, my problem isn't that I sketch but that I don't sketch enough. The sketch wears me out. I do not have the patience to draw as long as I would need to in order to seriously improve my skills.

doppelgreener

01:13

Mm. There's barriers that take various degrees of wanting or needing it, I guess.

Miniman

I admire people who can draw - it's a skill I find absolutely mystifying.

doppelgreener

For me, art has always been a method of expressing things I otherwise simply cannot express. My need to conquer this barrier and be able to draw everything I want freely goes soul-deep, and I intend to shatter it while I'm still young.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Yeah. In my case, I'm at peace with it. I understand myself. I don't feel bad about it (much) because I know its place in my life. I put the energy I might have put into art into writing.

@doppelgreener Best of luck with it! I know things like this are really difficult to work through, but I'm sure that you can get there.

doppelgreener

@Pixie GOOD! You shouldn't. What you're doing is fine, and that sketch of your frankendude's beautiful.

Codeacula

Programming is my art, because arting is my (most people's) programming

Miniman

01:17

@Codeacula That sounds deep, but I have no idea what you're saying

Codeacula

@Miniman Most people I talk with express desire to learn how to program, that they could get it, etc. Kinda like how I talk about drawing.

doppelgreener

@Pixie Thank you! I have confidence I will get there. It just takes skills I'm only just now developing, because I only recently realised they were missing.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Aww, thanks! (I also understand that I will always be 1000% harder on myself than anyone else. Understanding that doesn't fix it, but it does help to try and remember it.)

Miniman

@Codeacula Ah, right, I see what you mean. I'm in the same boat - I know lots of people who find programming to be the mystic art that I find drawing.

Codeacula

@Miniman I find arting to be mystical, and programming is my method of expressing myself

doppelgreener

01:19

Determination and resolve are the big ones. So is focus, and working despite it passing through a phase of no longer being entertaining. (ha-haaaa and i'm here on the RPG chat but whatever work is at an enormous lull at the moment)

Satsuki Kiryuuin from KLK is an individual I've just recently realised I can not only be impressed by - I can take such a character on as a mentor, even if they're fictional, and embody and channel their being. (Warning, googling anything to do with Satsuki Kiryuin and KLK is not safe for work.)

So I intend to do that in developing resolve.

Codeacula

@Miniman When people ask how I can go to work and program all day, and then go home and program all night, I compare it to someone who does art doing the same thing

Pixie

@doppelgreener I actually went into university in the art program. This was mostly because my parents shoved me into going before I was ready and I just had no idea what to do, but I thought I might want that. It felt like I was already expected to know the technical skills I actually wanted to learn, which was intensely frustrating. But I also realized that I simply did not have that resolve for art, and though it can be developed, I didn't want to.

Miniman

@Codeacula I'm ashamed to admit that I lost my taste for hobby programming.

Codeacula

@Miniman It's understandable. I go through phases myself

doppelgreener

@Pixie I know exactly what you mean. That is pretty frustrating for me too.

There are classes for absolute beginner artists which are not for people serious about developing their skills at all. We're more like novices or amateurs, and there's no novice --> expert classes. The classes begin at "be an expert already".

Pixie

01:24

It was like... the teacher was attempting to teach us basic concepts while already expecting us to have a polished style that figured into our grade. It was a weird situation.

doppelgreener

@Pixie schwaaaa

Pixie

I think I might not have gotten a good teacher, so that was probably part of it. xD

doppelgreener

(I haven't actually attended tertiary art classes, but did a lot of research into doing one myself)

Oh XD That wouldn't have helped

Pixie

He was a great guy, but... he definitely was figuring a developed style into the grade, but doing so kinda haphazardly. People I could tell not only had a more developed style but almost certainly had spent more time than me on a particular assignment (and it's not like I didn't try on it) got the same grade as me, and that really bothered me. It was mystifying.

trogdor

my only art "teacher" has been my mom, but she tried to get me into art at an age where I just wasn't feeling into it

so

up until recently I just have not even been interested

Pixie

01:28

But at the same time, he was trying to teach us pretty basic concepts that couldn't hold my attention. The assignments were grueling, but they were not teaching me anything I hadn't gotten already in the general art class they'd put me in mistakenly the first semester. (That was a pain, too.)

trogdor

I also had a tendency to give up when I saw that I wasn't already doing an awesome job

which is an entirely unrealistic measurement especially considering I have so little experience

Pixie

I came out of it feeling like the non-major class taught me more, and I eventually dropped the major class and changed majors.

@trogdor True, but it's also not an uncommon situation. People put a lot of pressure on themselves to succeed, and the idea that talent is the biggest factor (it isn't) gets ingrained sometimes.

doppelgreener

@trogdor part of art is accepting that you're not going to do an awesome job on the first few tries (and if you do, good job, and if you want to draw that same thing again, that might take a few tries too). another part is accepting your drawings are going to look amazingly goofy until you finish them, at which point suddenly everything looks fine and you wonder what you were so worried about.

probably tumblr somewhere has an autobiographic comic detailing this exact experience i describe.

Pixie

There are a lot of those.

doppelgreener

the "oh god it looks terrible it's SO BAD AUGH I CANNOT CONTINUE BUT I MUST AAAAAAAA-- oh hey it looks great"

Pixie

01:34

My favorite is going through my files and "how did I draw that it looks so good I have NO IDEA how to do that now"

"what witchery did I perform? that eye actually looks like an eye???"

doppelgreener

I can't confess having the same experience XD

trogdor

yeah

and like I said before

I actually was really satisfied with my last watercolor thing

Pixie

I do not fully understand my own powers. [stares at hands]

trogdor

even though I wouldn't call it the best art ever, I am happy with the effort I put into it

doppelgreener

good

Pixie

01:45

@trogdor That is the important thing.

doppelgreener

@trogdor it isn't meant to be the best art, if it's good that's good and you're done.

This is relevant for that "my art isn't good enough" phase: Ira Glass: Advice for beginners.

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener -- what happens isn't just that the inspiration is killer, it's that I have trouble getting my vision onto paper accurately enough

doppelgreener

There is also Be Friends with Failure, from Doodle Alley

@Shalvenay that is always going to be a thing.

Shalvenay

yeah

doppelgreener

this particular phase is all about that. you cannot fully execute what's in your head, and you cannot fully execute it to the quality you see around you.

but the former is always going to be there sometimes.

Masterful artists cannot put down stuff that's in their head all the time. The difference is they keep trying, and trying, and trying, and eventually they find a way to pull it off, or something that almost works, or they do something different and accept that's about all they can manage at that point.

Pixie

01:50

I'm lucky enough that I survived my introductory period with poetry. That is the thing that really allows me to express myself. I started out terrible, as is necessary. I managed to get through it without getting discouraged.

doppelgreener

@Pixie That is good :)

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener -- yeah :)

doppelgreener

Seriously this entire be friends with failure thing is a beautiful lesson. (And one that takes serious work to implement in yourself.)

Shalvenay

I'm getting better, albeit slowly

doppelgreener

@Nyoze WHATUP.

@Shalvenay Great! :D

@Pixie DO YOU READ JOHN KEATS.

Shalvenay

01:52

although the other half of it is that I only am motivated enough to draw when I have something I seriously need to communicate graphically

doppelgreener

(suddenly comes to mind)

Nyoze

Holla :)

doppelgreener

@Shalvenay you only need to be as good as you feel you need to be.

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener -- I actually have a crude concept sketch that I want to send to the national OLI people, but I'm not sure how to communicate to them that it's a crude concept sketch and not something that can just be inked+colored to turn it into a finished product.

Pixie

@doppelgreener I have definitely read Keats, but not excessively. I can't remember what he wrote right now. xD

doppelgreener

01:54

@Pixie DO YOU ENJOY WELL WRITTEN PROSE NOVELS

'cause i may be about to recommend you a book.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Have you been dosing on too much hyper juice?

doppelgreener

(which you can read at your leisure)

Pixie

@doppelgreener Rather depends. I know Keats was a Romantic if it's something by him, so he's got that in his favor.

doppelgreener

@Nyoze No, I am being excited about something.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Excited is always good... But I still don't get why you're excited to see me :P

doppelgreener

01:56

@Nyoze I am busy being excited about this book mainly, the what up was an energetic exclamation of sorts.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener In that case - Carry on good sir! :)

doppelgreener

@Pixie Okay. There is a novel series called the Hyperion Cantos. It is the most beautiful thing I have ever read, the writing is beautiful and incredibly elegant, the people (especially those from the second half, Endymion and Rise of Endymion) are going to stick with me forever.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener I must read this at some point...

Pixie

@doppelgreener Cool, I will have to look into it. :) Endymion is the Keats connection, then? I went to rediscover him. xD

doppelgreener

It comes in two two-parters: Hyperion and the Fall of Hyperion, and then Endymion and the Rise of Endymion, the events of which begin a couple of centuries after the Fall of Hyperion's conclusion. All of them echo John Keats' poetry of the same name. I am told Hyperion follows the same arcs, and ends at around the same narrative point Keats stopped writing that particular poem. Hyperion itself is more or less an enormous tribute to Keats.

Pixie

02:00

Ahh, I see.

[squints] I may have analyzed Ode to a Nightingale at some point in my school career. It is sometimes something of a blur.

doppelgreener

@Pixie Hyperion and Endymion are both poems Keats wrote. Hyperion is about the Greek Titans and their response to the new Gods who were emerging and how they are confronted by the inevitability of their replacement by the Gods.

He never finished Hyperion, and later tried a second time to write it.

Pixie

Ahh, I see.

The series sounds like an interesting read. I wonder if it's at my library.

trogdor

It is nice to hear that my main problems are pretty common to people trying to do art

Pixie

@trogdor Yeah, sometimes it helps to know you're not alone. If other people worked through it, it's possible, y'know?

trogdor

yeah

Pixie

02:06

I feel like there's one poem by Keats that I really loved, but I can't recall what it was... it's bothering me now. xD

To Sleep, that's the one.

user15026

@Pixie I never really liked Keats as much as other poets (T.S Eliot! Gerald Manley Hopkins!) that I studied in university, but this was one Keats poem I did really like.

Pixie

@AshleyNunn Refreshing myself, he's not my favorite either. There are things about him that I enjoy, but it's more like... poems that may not work for me overall but which are studded with little gems. To Sleep is wonderful, though.

user15026

@Pixie Makes sense, it's more that I like specific bits of his stuff than I like him as a poet.

Pixie

For me, it's like, individual lines and images'll make me stop and go "ohh!" but the entire poem may not be as strong.

user15026

Yeah, that's it :)

user15026

02:17

Whereas with Eliot or Hopkins I spend the whole poem captivated by it

Pixie

Eliot is quite good. I have likely read Hopkins at some point but, again, not enough to remember it well.

user15026

(Like seriously, there is just something about Hurrahing in Harvest that just delights me.)

Pixie

I'm partial to Langston Hughes, Sara Teasdale, Christina Rosetti, and... someone else who I am entirely forgetting and cannot seem to recall but whom I know exists. xD

@AshleyNunn It is quite a delightful work!

user15026

@Pixie I love Rosetti!

user15026

And Hughes.

user15026

02:29

(For someone who dragged her feet through an English degree, I seem to like a lot of poets.)

user15026

(I think studying them in depth just ruined the joy of it.)

Pixie

@AshleyNunn Heh. I don't mind the studying in depth, but having to do so much does suck the life out a bit.

I've got an English degree as well, so... I definitely know the feeling. By the end of it I was happy never to look at a classroom ever again. xD

Adeptus

The only poetry I remember studying (in high school) is the WWI poetry of Wilfred Owen. Not exactly pleasant subject matter, but definitely memorable.

Pixie

I think reading Harlem (Dream Deferred) as a child was probably the first time I was enchanted by a poem. Stuck with me ever since.

user15026

@Pixie Yes! That is the exact feeling.

Pixie

02:34

@Adeptus I know what you mean...

Adeptus

actually... I think we looked at some romantic poetry as well... by Shakespeare among others

user15026

I was never really a big Shakespeare fan.

user15026

I don't know if that was overexposure, or what it was.

Pixie

Romantic poetry is a mixed bag. I really love some things about it, and I really don't love some things about it. xD Shakespeare isn't my favorite either, but yeah, overexposure can do that.

Probably the poetry I like the least is Wordsworth. I... I can't do Wordsworth. I couldn't tell you why. xD

I can observe the merits of his work and the effect it had on poetry at the time but I cannot like it. xD

user15026

@Pixie Yeah, I can study it from an academic standpoint, but I can't say "oooh these words are tasty delicious in how they go together"

Pixie

02:38

@AshleyNunn Exaaactly.

Also, I think its singsonginess grates on me. xD

user15026

Yeah, it has an odd flow to it that I just find unpleasant when I hear it in my head.

user20683

I tend to like Shakespeare as theater

user20683

I'm not fond of it as just reading material

Pixie

I'm not too into the theater either, but I can sit through a good production.

Adeptus

Our English teacher was really good. He said that Shakespeare's plays were basically the soap operas of the time. And some of the romantic poems could be paraphrased as "life's short, sleep with me now"

user15026

02:43

@Adeptus So many romantic poems are like that.

user15026

Which cracks me up because people are like "oh in the old days people were so different" and really, no, come on, have you READ Comin' Thro' the Rye? Do you know what he is talking about? SEX, is what.

user20683

People today don't tend to understand that prose was not the dominant literary form until recently

user20683

@AshleyNunn there's graffiti in Pompey talking about how some dude is exaggerating the size of his junk

Pixie

@Adeptus Carpe Diem, as they're called. :P

user15026

@WorldEngineer I did not know that, but that delights me that it is true.

Pixie

02:46

Oh, Pompeii graffiti is the best.

user15026

Oh? I don't know much about it. Is it a lot of things that prove we really haven't evolved as highly as we keep trying to say we have? Because I like that.

user15026

Same way I like when we find books from monks and stuff that have marginalia about how they are bored and hungry and junk.

Pixie

@AshleyNunn It is NSFW but glorious.

user15026

Okay, I've only read the first one and I am already cracking up.

Pixie

It ranges from "I'm gay, deal with it ladies" to "BFFs!" to... much more sordid things.

user15026

02:52

"On April 19th, I made bread."

Adeptus

@Pixie Sounds so much better than "YOLO" :P

user15026

I love that that is preserved forever

Pixie

@AshleyNunn Yes. That is one of my favorites.

We just post it on Twitter instead of writing it on walls.

> The finances officer of the emperor Nero says this food is poison

So sassy.

user15026

I like how so much of it is just mundane

user20683

Flavius was here

user20683

02:54

;)

Pixie

II.2.3 is cracking me up.

So direct.

> Traveler, you eat bread in Pompeii but you go to Nuceria to drink. At Nuceria, the drinking is better.

Friendly advice.

user15026

So many are about defecating, which is making me laugh.

Pixie

Yeah. "Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place." is killing me.

user15026

@Pixie That one made me laugh so hard I startled my cat.

doppelgreener

@Pixie wow XD

Codeacula

02:57

queue Final Fantasy fanfare

doppelgreener

@AshleyNunn I do too. And that it is preserved. This is some beautiful humanity to preserve.

Pixie

These have the cadence of casual blog posts but they are ancient Roman graffiti and that's wonderful. That's humanity.

One of them is just someone's laundry list.

user15026

@doppelgreener Yeah, the fact that it's there just makes me laugh because like...people get silly sometimes about how we will be remembered with all our Twitter or Tumblr or Facebook posts if they're preserved

user15026

When really, this is the same stuff! Just less pictures of cats and food.

doppelgreener

There would be pictures of cats and food if they could manage that.

user15026

02:59

@Pixie I liked the laundry list one. Part of me wonders if they recorded it because things went missing or something.

user15026

@doppelgreener I bet there would! We just have the technology to take thousands of cat pictures.

user15026

(I am totally guilty of that. I love my cat.)

Pixie

> If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend

That is so cute.

doppelgreener

That is!! Awwww. :D

[more magnitudes of aww that can be satisfactorily expressed in text]

Pixie

"Epaphra, you are bald!" YOU, SIR, ARE BALD.

doppelgreener

03:02

@Pixie and he is bold

or not actually since it's graffiti

rather than SAYING IT TO HIS FACE

Pixie

"The man I am having dinner with is a barbarian." See this is just a blog post. This is just twitter except without twitters.

doppelgreener

#terribledates

#barbarians #doyouhavetobreathethatloudlywhileyoueat #why #howdoileave #sendhelp

Pixie

Pfffff.

... someone really doesn't like Secundus.

There are also some that are basically like Yelp but with sex.

user15026

@Pixie Those ones also made me laugh.

user15026

Like all of this is so blessedly normal. We make tumblr posts that are pretty much all of these things.

Pixie

03:14

Argh. I've got to start submitting things to journals. My problem is I feel compelled to keep my best work to my chest in case there is a better opportunity for it later, so... I never do anything with it. xD

doppelgreener

@Pixie Why would you keep it there? :O

Instead of putting it in journals

Pixie

@doppelgreener Because... what if better journal! What if more appealing publication opportunity! I am too protective over my poetry because it is the only thing I do well. xD

user15026

@Pixie I don't know, I am all for sharing one's awesome with the world at every opportunity

user15026

so I vote "share the poems!"

Adeptus

> Gaius Pumidius Dipilus was here on October 3rd 78 BC

I'm assuming this isn't literally what it said, otherwise the guy could predict the future

Miniman

03:19

@Adeptus Well, yeah. I mean, he almost certainly said "woz 'ere" - it's graffiti, after all.

Pixie

@AshleyNunn Yes, I'm going to have to get over it. :P It's just that most journals will only accept unpublished work, including even personal blogs, so I get into option paralysis about which ones I should submit to. The answer, honestly, is "all of them that accept simultaneous submissions and see what happens." xD

user15026

@Pixie I think that's a good plan :)

doppelgreener

@Pixie What's to protect in not showing it to people that you'd lose in showing it? c(:

(As a matter of fact, putting a time and date to "PIXIE WROTE THIS THING, YEAH, BELIEVE IT" is protection! That's a copyright date!)

Adeptus

@Pixie That's sort of what my wife was doing with short stories. Then she decided to publish some of them herself (first as ebooks, then print-on-demand). She's trying to make a career of writing.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Well, I do have some really polished works that were published in local publications, which I appreciate immensely, but that also means I can't submit them to journals that would actually pay me or allow me wider recognition if they don't accept previously published work. =w=

@Adeptus This may be where I go with fiction, in time.

doppelgreener

03:28

@Pixie Oh! Dang, I get it now.

Pixie

But still, gotta get over it. Gotta build up a body of work.

user15026

Gotta start somewhere! :)

Pixie

... then sometimes I find one and recoil because it's so visceral that I can't imagine showing it to people, yet I know I should precisely because of that reason. xD

user15026

@Pixie Yeah, if it makes that reaction in you, just imagine the reactions you will get out of people who are not you :)

doppelgreener

.... but @Ashley is that meant to be encouraging of showing it or not!? XD

Pixie

03:36

I'm sitting there going, "This is horrifying! ... it's good. I can't show this to anyone. This is probably publishable."

user15026

@doppelgreener Haha, good question. I say go for it, because there is totally a market for "good at giving people the horrified wobbles"

Pixie

It means it does what I wanted it to do, but it also means that it's laid bare and people are gonna look at me and go, "woah." :P

doppelgreener

@Pixie This is funny. Is too personal, or is it just the reaction it produces?

Pixie

@doppelgreener It's intensely personal, but usually not in a way that is specifically revealing, if that makes sense. It's shocking. I have shocked people before. They enjoy it and are impressed, but they don't expect it, and it says more about me than I will ever say to anybody. It paints a picture, especially if you read everything together.

The imagery can also be straight up intense.

doppelgreener

I think I get it.

... I'm now very curious about reading some of this poetry. Including some of this stuff you feel you can't publish.

Pixie

03:46

Heh. Shoot me an email at [email protected] if you want.

I could likely use some eyes on them anyway, if I can get over sharing them, 'cause they haven't been edited by anyone else for obvious reasons. xD

Nyoze

I love that email address :D

user15026

@Pixie I can take a peek if you don't mind a random internet stranger peeking at them? I am not sure how helpful I will be, but I can try and put on my English major hat?

Pixie

@Nyoze Haha, thanks. It's my video game and RP address, made it so I could stick it in public places like this for easier communication. xD

@AshleyNunn Sure, if you want! I do not know if I can set them all free, but I will try to set at least some free. xD

user15026

@Pixie Whatever you feel like, I just like helping!

Pixie

@AshleyNunn I do appreciate it. :,D School may've been rough, but I do miss the workshops. xD

doppelgreener

03:53

That is a nice email.

I will EMAIL YOU A THING.

Pixie

@doppelgreener I will EAGERLY AWAIT IT.

Shalvenay

so -- things Smaug shouldn't try.

I suspect "getting in a dogfight" would be near the top of that list...

Nyoze

@Pixie I always used my normal email address for Video Games/RP... Maybe because I didn't have any other email address to use lol.

Pixie

@Nyoze I kind of compartmentalize things. I have one old email that the signups go on, one email I use for friends/Google Drive/my phone and the like, one for games like this, one for work... xD

Nyoze

I have... My work email, my phone email for things that I need to have when it comes through, and I've got a new game email now, that I pretty much made just for stack lol

Pixie

03:57

Well, two for work. One is my actual work-issued email, the other is a personal email I use for business correspondences and submissions.

I have soooo many emails.

Nyoze

@Pixie Oh, I had one of those once. Well...

Correction: I had a redirect one of those once. The one thing Hotmail does better then Gmail are aliases.

Pixie

True, Gmail's not good for aliases.

doppelgreener

Sent.

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