TRPG General Chat

Sandwich

06:00

What you should do is clone the moon

So you have TWO moons to pull the water away

Pixie

@Sandwich Yell at the moon until its feelings are hurt and it decides to go play by itself, removing the issue of the moon and its tide-meddling entirely.

(and ruining a whole lot of things in the process)

Sandwich

Without the moon the water from the ocean would actually be way more stable I think.

The only waves would be created from winds

Or underwater currents

Magician

@Pixie Make it less trivial! Maybe the party has to find the hidden shrine and the holy book hidden there, to prove the falseness of the prophet. The only wrinkle being, the hidden shrine of the Goddess of Mercy is in the death row of the harshest prison of the Dragon Empire.

Grubermensch

I wonder if the existence of significant tides had a positive effect on the origins of life in the oceans? Especially with the moon being closer in the early times.

Sandwich

Obviously the moon caused the destruction of the dinosaurs

The moon got full, and the saiyans turned into giant monkeys and killed all the dinosaurs

Pixie

06:03

@Magician Oh, I didn't mean "fits together effortlessly" in a bad way. There are plenty of places to go with it, expected and unexpected.

Grubermensch

I mean, really, what didn't cause the downfall of the dinosaurs?

Sandwich

Then there were no more dinosaurs

Pixie

@Sandwich The sun causes some currents but not as much as the moon, so they'd be much weaker.

Sandwich

Maybe the moon swung so close to the earth one point

That the dinosaurs got sucked onto the moon and suffocated

doppelgreener

@Grubermensch the dinosaurs

@Grubermensch in what sense? certainly water movement helped early life move around, and brought it new water

or to new places with different materials available

Sandwich

06:07

The dinosaurs left on earth were shut ins who sat inside, watched anime, and tried having sex with their dakimakura so they died out

And thats the story of how anime was created

Grubermensch

doppelgreener

@Grubermensch hahaha!

Grubermensch

@doppelgreener I mean as opposed to a similarly-positioned planet with liquid water but not a supermoon. Earth is a mighty weird place in the universe, as far as we've seen.

doppelgreener

@Grubermensch ah, not sure then. not a professor of fluid dynamics Dx

what i do know however is it's been found that the pores in rocks surrounding volcanic vents was a very hospitable place for early life to form

there's all the right molecules and elements available, there's heat, and the pores themselves have enough water current to bring it all together and help it accumulate, but not enough that it gets torn apart before anything can form

(so a little bit analogous to planetary formation :D)

Grubermensch

@doppelgreener Which makes a pretty good argument for life evolving pretty much all over the place.

Sandwich

06:12

1d100

1d%

What. I'm feeling so ripped off rn

2d10

Dice Service

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Grubermensch

@Sandwich It only does the Noble Six, alas.

Sandwich

41 it is then

doppelgreener

@Grubermensch yep, pretty much

Sandwich

I own a 1d100

Its huge

Grubermensch

06:13

And quite ignoble.

Sandwich

And functions as a bludgeoning weapon

Grubermensch

Very ignoble.

doppelgreener

a lot of scientists studying the origins of life nowadays are coming to the conclusion that life is pretty much inevitable given enough time, and environments that won't simply destroy it

Sandwich

Oh man

I would've ended up as a goblin on the reincarnation table

Miniman

@Grubermensch You mean the Noble Five + the entirely non-noble d10, right?

Sandwich

06:14

That would've sucked

doppelgreener

@Sandwich but you would've very quickly become something else on the reincarnation table, by adventure standards

Grubermensch

@Miniman Sssshhhh we-do-not-speak-of-such-things

Sandwich

The Noble six, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12?

And uh, 20

That's six

>_>

doppelgreener

skip 2

4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 20

Grubermensch

Ordinarily I'd say the Noble Seven, but unfortunately we don't support d10-major.

Sandwich

06:15

2 is important!

1d2

doppelgreener

we don't have that one

Grubermensch

Not a die

Sandwich

Mockery!

doppelgreener

i may be confused about what the noble six refers to

allow me to present the actual d2 though:

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Grubermensch

06:16

@doppelgreener That is probably because I made it up just now

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Grubermensch

That looks like a d1

Sandwich

Any die can be a D2 toppel

doppelgreener

it is actually a d6, this was just fabulous coincidence XD

Sandwich

They're all divisible by 2

doppelgreener

06:16

@Sandwich yes

;)

Miniman

@doppelgreener The Noble Five are the dice that are platonic solids. The d10 is a mockery of a real die.

Sandwich

Thats why they're so important

doppelgreener

@Sandwich NOT THE D7.

Sandwich

The d7 and the d13 are MYTHS

Grubermensch

I refer to the standard D&D dice set.

Sandwich

06:17

Cylindrical dice aren't DICE

doppelgreener

@Sandwich @SevenSidedDie you are a myth

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doppelgreener

wow

Grubermensch

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doppelgreener

06:17

the dice roller is on a roll tonight

there we go XD

Grubermensch

Balance has been restored to the diceforce

Miniman

@Sandwich It's also a myth that the d13 only ever rolls 1s. Yep, definitely a myth.

Nyoze

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Nyoze

=\

doppelgreener

06:18

GRUBERMENSCH STOLE THE DICE BALANCE

WE MUST KILL HIM

AND FREE THE DICE BALANCE TO THE UNIVERSE

Grubermensch

my precccciioooooouuuuusssssss

Nyoze

1d20

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Sandwich

Nyoze

Attack missed :(

Sandwich

06:19

Ridiculous.

Pixie

@Sandwich Are those Crystal Caste? I have one of their d10s like that. Mainly, it looks neat.

Grubermensch

Activate Memory-Reweaving Discipline to remove the memory of these dice shenanigans from all of your minds.

Miniman

@Grubermensch Maximum dice in a single roll is 9

Grubermensch

:(

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Grubermensch

06:21

6 successes

Miniman

Also, I just came up with a character concept: A Wizard who believes in the sanctity of geometry and will therefore only cast spells that use dice that are platonic solids.

Nyoze

Platonic solid?

Miniman

Platonic solid.

doppelgreener

@Pixie does it work well?

Pixie

@doppelgreener I haven't gotten the chance to use it a lot. Maybe I'll dig it out and use it with some of my d100 tables.

doppelgreener

06:26

i vaguely remember comments like "it rolls so well it goes right off the table" but that's the case for the regular d20 too

Pixie

Heh, yeah. I roll everything in a box to prevent that.

(Also my cats try to steal dice.)

doppelgreener

ha!

out of the box?

Pixie

The box makes it easier for me to shield the dice from the cats. :P

I once left a few of my giant Bicycle d6 stockpile on my desk and then realized my mistake... not that I need them. xD Sometimes I give them some of those just to distract them while I roll other dice.

I need another set of polyhedrals at some point, actually. I'm always afraid I'm going to lose my amethyst ones, and that's the only full set I have.

Miniman

@Pixie I've ended up with 6 sets just because every time I'm in the store I'm like "Another one would be really convenient, and it's only $10..."

Pixie

@Miniman Heh, I wish I had a convenient game store. I'm not even sure what's around here anymore.

Nyoze

06:37

There's a game store I walk past every morning on my way to work. Of course, they open after I walk past, and close before I head home :(

Miniman

@Pixie One of the pluses to being in a large town/small city - there are 4 gaming stores here. (Although 1 is extremely new and another I didn't know existed till recently.)

Nyoze

Large Town/Small City? Well... By worldwide definitions, I'm going to assume that could be any capital city we have, except for Hobart which is so small it doesn't count.

Pixie

I actually live in a pretty big city, but... P: There's like two, maybe? And the ones I'm familiar with aren't around anymore. It seems like all the game stores are actually in the smaller towns in my area.

There used to be a big, nice one pretty close to my house, but that was a dying mall, so it was gone before I ever really poked around in it. :c

And one I know for sure still exists... they have a much bigger location in a smaller town. xD

Nyoze

Always the way, isn't it?

BESW

06:53

Hagåtña, Guam

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Nyoze

Doesn't count, not Australian. But wow, that's a small capital.

BESW

Hardly anyone lives in it anymore, just around it.

trogdor

07:16

yeah, there really isn't much residential space left anymore anyway

doppelgreener

i am looking forward to those extradimensional real-estate development investment opportunities

one day we'll run out of space in the third dimension and someone will decide it's about time we started filling out along the fifth dimension

there are not all that many hazards to doing so, once you get past the multidimensional all-consuming glutton worms whose enormous size is theoretically just the portion of them visible from the perspective of the fifth dimension

their extradimensional nature makes fencing a problem but we will figure out a way

BESW

> Condo for rent: e bedrooms and √2 baths, in a truly transcendental neighbourhood.

Nyoze

07:36

Wow... Trying to understand that e or Transcendental numbers just hurts my head :(

BESW

I've always been pretty good at the ideas of math. It's the numbers that trip me up.

doppelgreener

07:55

> In mathematics, a transcendental number is a real or complex number that is not algebraic—that is, it is not a root of a non-zero polynomial equation with rational coefficients.

i need me a different language for explaining this

[googles]

> A transcendental number is a real number that is not the solution of any single-variable polynomial equation whose coefficients are all integers. - source

so a transcendental number is one that cannot be reached by an equation? (if that equation has only one input variable)

ok i think i get it.

Nyoze

I'm glad you do, I sure don't.

doppelgreener

may i see if i can explain it? (and maybe BESW will be able to correct me if I'm wrong at some point)

Nyoze

I'd normally say yes, but I just finished work for the day, so go ahead and try, and I'll see if I understand tomorrow :P

doppelgreener

haha

Nyoze

That being said, I don't think I'll ever need it anyway, so I'm quite happy not knowing lol

doppelgreener

08:01

ok :)

i'll write it out anyway to see if i can articulate it and get fact-checked.

a polynomial equation is one where we can go: 8 + x + 4x² + 3x³ and so on that get used in graphing. What makes it polynomial is just that pattern of having x, maybe assigning it a power, maybe multiplying it.

a single integer also counts

if we keep piecing together bits of the form Ax^B, adding, multiplying, etc, we have a polynomial equation

4 + 8 is technically polynomial, 4 + 8x also is.

Write down a digit, and we can probably reach it using the right polynomial equation.

Pi and e are exceptions to this. We don't know an equation with only one variable (x) that produces pi. We need two variables; radius and circumference.

that's it

that's all there is to it for a trascendental number

given one variable, no amount of adding it together, multiplying it, dividing it, squaring it, cubing it, doing other operations to it, can produce a transcendental number. they transcend that kind of equation!

BESW

What about e ?

doppelgreener

that is a good question

i think because it is an irrational number

the polynomial is infinitely long

BESW

Multiple variables isn't the key.

doppelgreener

oh?

BESW

An algebraic number is one which can be expressed using algebraic terms and no irrational numbers.

A transcendental number is a number which can't be expressed within those limits.

doppelgreener

08:15

What disqualifies e?

BESW

Hmm. Let me back up. Sorry, maths are still not easy for me, and I'm kinda distracted.

doppelgreener

Sure

BESW

My math skills are visual and verbal, not textual--strange as it may seem, since most everything else about me is textual--so it's challenging to dynamically communicate maths in writing.

M'rr. Look at this and I'll get back to you later.

BESW

08:48

@doppelgreener Basically, it's really hard to prove anything is a transcendental number, because it's actually proving a negative.

Transcendental numbers sit there, daring mathematicians to prove exhaustively that they can't be defined by a certain kind of expression.

doppelgreener

09:07

@BESW ok, so there's something in there i don't understand

because if e = 1/1 + (1/1+2) + (1/1+2+3) to infinity i don't understand why that isn't algebraic

or isn't polynomial or whatever

Ben

@doppelgreener I do see the relevance of the dupe, but as the first answer provides it's about the plot hooks in the story as well. I just thought I'd talk about it it here so we don't convolute the comment section

If any discussion does occur that is,

doppelgreener

Mm. Usually those responses should at least start in comments, and we take it to chat if it'll get too much - otherwise we wind up having discussion and coming to conclusions the rest of the site attempting to moderate the question aren't privy to.

GMNoob's already suggested it may not be a dupe

Ben

Ok, so you think we should keep it in the comments?

doppelgreener

yes

Ben

Ok, I'll move my first comment there now

doppelgreener

09:20

it might just flat-out be a case of "oh, yeah, this isn't a dupe, whoops"

BESW

09:51

@doppelgreener It would mean e IS algebraic, if that were true.

But when we assume it's true, we discover that we can use this assumption to prove a certain variable is both non-zero and zero.

Thus, we can prove that assuming e is algebraic produces contradictions.

...so e isn't algebraic.

...which means it's transcendental, definitionally.

[waits for Actual Maths People to point and laugh]

doppelgreener

@BESW ooooooooooooooooo.....

interesting.

BESW

10:15

Remember: transcendent proofs are proof of a negative.

The easiest way to do that, usually, is to assume the positive and then work until you find a point where assuming the positive breaks things.

- If not x [e is algebraic] then y [e is transcendent].

- If x, then z [k has a non-contradictory value].

-- Not z [k has contradictory values], therefore not x, therefore not y [e is transcendent].

And now for something not all that different:

Cthulshoe.

Aaron

12:13

@BESW That bit that pokes into the foot near the big toe looks painful.

BESW

Cthulshoe, like Cthulhu, is dangerous but alluring.

Ben

12:29

...how rare is dragons blood

Aaron

@Ben What setting?

sillyputty

Hullo all. Hope everyone is having/has had a fine day.

BESW

M'rr. Hi.

Aaron

Morning

Magician

14:42

> A questing tentacle
Gleaming, it rises from the zee. It coils lazily around a zailor, who does not speak, or cry out. She only steps into its embrace, and is gone.
No one
Ask, and no one will answer.
Did you imagine it?
The zee is quiet. Nothing stirs. But you saw the moon-pale limb of the monster... was it there? Did the zailor leap? Surely you didn't push her. Surely.

My character in Sunless Sea maaaay be going slightly mad.

Aaron

Might be

Is sunless sea a lovecraftian game?

Magician

It's definitely one of the influences, but not a major one.

Aaron

I feel like I should downvote this answer. While technically correct it does not back up the answer at all with evidence. Should I just leave it be or downvote it for not clarifying.

1

A: The unbodied in an anti-magic field

You're right, he's wrong, "incorporeal undead" is a compound noun, not two nouns.

The Oracle

15:23

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Q: Alchemist vs. Alchemy

Just a note, I just added tag wikis for alchemy and alchemist and cleaned up a few questions for each. I decided against synonymizing because a distinction was apparent in their emergent usage, and because it parallels the distinction we have between e.g. wizard and spellcasting. Actually, for t...

Grubermensch

16:05

@waxeagle Game tomorrow?

RobertF

16:32

Was checking out dice sets on amazon - had no idea there are fair dice with an odd number of sides. 5-sided? 7-sided?

Weird

wax eagle

@RobertF yup, gamescience used to make a whole bunch of different sizes

@Grubermensch yes!

@Grubermensch also, g+ tells me it's your birthday so Happy Birthday!

RobertF

16:47

@Grubermensch - Happy birthday!

@waxeagle - I found a set of 18 unusual dice on amazon made by Impact! Miniatures. Now I just need to find a reason to roll a 7 sided die!

Ooh, you can also buy sets of blank six-sided dice with stickers so you can make customized dice. Nice

One of my RPGs, Advanced Fighting Fantasy, has an unusual system for rolling weapon damage - you roll d6 but instead of 1=1 pt damage, 2= 2 pts, etc., it can be a nonuniform distribution, eg 1-3=1 pt damage, 4=2 pts, 5=3 pts, 6=5 pts. You also roll for random armor damage resistance the same way.

It's a neat gimmick, but makes it difficult to calculate average damage results on the fly.

SevenSidedDie

@doppelgreener It's true, I am a myth.

Pixie

18:42

@RobertF Because 7 is the best number.

One of my favorite dice is a d12 with zodiac signs instead of numbers. It's completely useless, but I love it.

wax eagle

@Pixie it could provide an interesting piece of a resolution mechanic in a story game. Similar to how Tarot are used in say Everway

Pixie

@waxeagle That's true! Probably a little more than I'd like to keep up with, though. I don't think I'd find it intuitive. But it certainly sounds cool.

And now I sort of want to play Ogre Battle again. You draw tarot cards at certain points which influence your statistics and can be used in battle.

KRyan

19:07

would the kind residents of Chat downvote this community ad? the image is broken and the creator doesn't appear to be maintaining it

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

(alternatively, if someone knows where to find the original image, updating with a good link from imgur would work)

but either way, it'd be nice to lose the broken image ad

wax eagle

it's below the threshold now. Hopefully they'll fix it asap thanks to your comment

user61230

Ah, community ads. The only time "please all serially vote this answer down" is acceptable practice.

KRyan

19:23

indeed

Sandwich

19:59

Awww yis

Creative use of spells

I love questions like that

How to speak with an Ice toad

sillyputty

Hey gang, I could use help with formatting this question better. I feel as though I didn't do it properly (maybe I did!). rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/63968/…

Sandwich

I'd say that TMNT / After the Bomb covers Post apocalypse pretty well

SevenSidedDie

@KRyan Odd. The image is actually there, just not displaying in-post. Perhaps they've messed up their file permissions and blocked direct links. I've rehosted it on stack.imgur in any case.

Sandwich

Covers all the bullet points anyway

sillyputty

@Sandwich is that one game?

It's...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Sandwich

20:04

Yeah After the bomb is published under the rules of TMNT

Its about a Post Apocalyptic world where humankind is destroyed by nuclear weapons, which also simultaneously causes animal life to mutate

sillyputty

Interesting. On the list to show my playgroup it goes.

Sandwich

Players choose an animal and they can choose certain mutations based on a currency called "Bio-E" when making characters, which is short for Bio energy

sillyputty

Perhaps I should have just asked this question in chat...I'm a little wary of asking a game recommendation question on the site but...

Sandwich

The other one I'd say fits the bill would be RIFTS

Which is here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifts_%28role-playing_game%29

But I'd say After the bomb is more fun

They're all sold by Palladium Books though I believe

palladium-store.com/1001/category/After-the-Bomb.html

sillyputty

Cool! I'll keep them in mind. Thanks! =)

Sandwich

20:08

And

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Q: Where can I find a compilation of After the Bomb material?

I'm looking into hosting a game in the After the Bomb campaign setting, as I played in one before and it was really a lot of fun, however I'm having issues finding all the resources needed to run the game, as well as a lot of information on how to create characters, what system the game runs on, ...

after-the-bomb

The comments there link to the story behind the actual game system

But its definitely a fun game

KRyan